[cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk
1. We had a screaming NOGO in the SW corner of the basis this morning! We had one quick visual and a good fifteen minutes of " audio". Nothing quite like a mouthy Gos! 2. Our sector of the Watkins CBC on Saturday was the worse in the 37 years we have done it. This year also Marked our 50th year of doing CBCs. John and Sue -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk
Just north of the village of Aurora; one quick sighting; one clear sighting. One hen and one rooster down. When I scared it off the rooster, it flew east; it might be worth looking for it on Sands Road. Both birds were killed in the afternoon, right in the east side of my open shed. I will be returning my chickens to the coop by noon today. If anyone wants to sit in my shed this afternoon, they are welcome. text 315-237-7115. Linda Van Buskirk -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
Heartly concur John. Count me as a bander who has both noted this and had research muddled by such exact descriptions. john -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 N 42 26.611' W 76 45.492' Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ Conserve and Create Habitat On Thu, January 15, 2015 16:03, John Confer wrote: HI Folks, The barn door is open or the cat is out of the bag, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT DESCRIBING LOCATIONS OF N GOSHAWK WHEN THEY ACT SOMEWHAT AS IF THEY HAD A TERRITORY. Northern Goshawk are known among banders who climb to hawk nests to frequently abandon a nest, especially early in the nesting cycle, although not so much after the young have hatched.Individual birds can become accustomed to human disturbance at a low level and provide an exception. Other birds that rarely see humans may well abandon a nest if disturbed. At this time of year, they probably haven't started laying and, even if the bird is considering nesting nearby, at this time of the year the bird might just move away. However, if they did start to nest and someone visited the well described site a couple months from now, the bird might abandon eggs. I know there is an excitement in seeing a good bird, and it is very nice to share providing a very good motivation to share a siting with others, e.g., the Schofield Short-eared Owls, which do not seem to be at all disturbed by humans watching them in a car. Other species of birds may have reduced nesting success if people visit them, and goshawk are known to be so affected. Discretion in individual circumstances is advised. Cheers, John On 1/15/2015 11:14 AM, Donna Scott wrote: Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.com mailto:cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html *Please submit your observations to eBird http://ebird.org/content/ebird/!* -- -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html *Please submit your observations to eBird http://ebird.org/content/ebird/!* -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
Hopefully this is not taking this outside the interest of many on the list but: I am curious to know the evidence on reduced nesting success in goshawks, in part because it is really important to know what such evidence would look like. John, can you direct those of us who might want to follow up to publications, people, organizations? Thanks, Anne On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:07 PM, John and Sue Gregoire wrote: Heartly concur John. Count me as a bander who has both noted this and had research muddled by such exact descriptions. john -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 N 42 26.611' W 76 45.492' Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ Conserve and Create Habitat On Thu, January 15, 2015 16:03, John Confer wrote: HI Folks, The barn door is open or the cat is out of the bag, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT DESCRIBING LOCATIONS OF N GOSHAWK WHEN THEY ACT SOMEWHAT AS IF THEY HAD A TERRITORY. Northern Goshawk are known among banders who climb to hawk nests to frequently abandon a nest, especially early in the nesting cycle, although not so much after the young have hatched.Individual birds can become accustomed to human disturbance at a low level and provide an exception. Other birds that rarely see humans may well abandon a nest if disturbed. At this time of year, they probably haven't started laying and, even if the bird is considering nesting nearby, at this time of the year the bird might just move away. However, if they did start to nest and someone visited the well described site a couple months from now, the bird might abandon eggs. I know there is an excitement in seeing a good bird, and it is very nice to share providing a very good motivation to share a siting with others, e.g., the Schofield Short-eared Owls, which do not seem to be at all disturbed by humans watching them in a car. Other species of birds may have reduced nesting success if people visit them, and goshawk are known to be so affected. Discretion in individual circumstances is advised. Cheers, John On 1/15/2015 11:14 AM, Donna Scott wrote: Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.com mailto:cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html *Please submit your observations to eBird http://ebird.org/content/ebird/!* -- -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html *Please submit your observations to eBird http://ebird.org/content/ebird/!* -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
As a follow-up to Anne's request, I'd also love to hear about any evidence showing that Goshawks are on territory in January, and that flushing from low cover is a typical behavior of a Goshawk on territory and susceptible to disturbance. -Scott On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Anne Clark anneb.cl...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully this is not taking this outside the interest of many on the list but: I am curious to know the evidence on reduced nesting success in goshawks, in part because it is really important to know what such evidence would look like. John, can you direct those of us who might want to follow up to publications, people, organizations? Thanks, Anne On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:07 PM, John and Sue Gregoire wrote: Heartly concur John. Count me as a bander who has both noted this and had research muddled by such exact descriptions. john -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 N 42 26.611' W 76 45.492' Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ Conserve and Create Habitat On Thu, January 15, 2015 16:03, John Confer wrote: HI Folks, The barn door is open or the cat is out of the bag, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT DESCRIBING LOCATIONS OF N GOSHAWK WHEN THEY ACT SOMEWHAT AS IF THEY HAD A TERRITORY. Northern Goshawk are known among banders who climb to hawk nests to frequently abandon a nest, especially early in the nesting cycle, although not so much after the young have hatched.Individual birds can become accustomed to human disturbance at a low level and provide an exception. Other birds that rarely see humans may well abandon a nest if disturbed. At this time of year, they probably haven't started laying and, even if the bird is considering nesting nearby, at this time of the year the bird might just move away. However, if they did start to nest and someone visited the well described site a couple months from now, the bird might abandon eggs. I know there is an excitement in seeing a good bird, and it is very nice to share providing a very good motivation to share a siting with others, e.g., the Schofield Short-eared Owls, which do not seem to be at all disturbed by humans watching them in a car. Other species of birds may have reduced nesting success if people visit them, and goshawk are known to be so affected. Discretion in individual circumstances is advised. Cheers, John On 1/15/2015 11:14 AM, Donna Scott wrote: Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.com mailto:cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html *Please submit your observations to eBird http://ebird.org/content/ebird/!* -- -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html *Please submit your observations to eBird http://ebird.org/content/ebird/!* -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
I'm just suggesting that an overdoes of caution for the sake of a species that is known to be adverse to human disturbance is worth considering. The evidence for goshawk nest abandonment that I know about is limited but real. I doubt that at this time of year that there would be any impact on reproductive success, but a visit in ~April-May might have an impact. 40 years ago Dorothy McIlroy described to me one goshawk nest that was abandoned while the birds were on eggs and 30 years ago John Snelling, a former grad student of Tom Cade, with a strong interest in raptors, also described such an instance. John Gregoire, below, added another instance(s). This doesn't approach the sample size for a publication. There is data for golden-wings that the number fledged per nest is lower for renests, but that comes from pooling nearly a dozen major studies of GWWA reproductive success, including a half-dozen PhDs, and is detectable only with a sample size of on the order of 500 nests. This won't happen for goshawk. So what we have is anecdotal. Since my information on goshawk is old and very personal and not generally known among the public, I wanted to make the gentle suggestion that for birds swuch as ravens and goshawk or similar birds with individual pairs that can be adversely affected by human presence that the location of (potential) territories and/or nests is probably not a good thing to share. It is interesting that within a species there may be pairs that are acclimated to human presence and pairs that don';t often contact humans and may over-react' to human intrusion. This the consequence of visiting a nest or entering a territory is unpredictable. Cheers, John On 1/16/2015 2:17 PM, Anne Clark wrote: Hopefully this is not taking this outside the interest of many on the list but: I am curious to know the evidence on reduced nesting success in goshawks, in part because it is really important to know what such evidence would look like. John, can you direct those of us who might want to follow up to publications, people, organizations? Thanks, Anne On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:07 PM, John and Sue Gregoire wrote: Heartly concur John. Count me as a bander who has both noted this and had research muddled by such exact descriptions. john -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 N 42 26.611' W 76 45.492' Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ Conserve and Create Habitat On Thu, January 15, 2015 16:03, John Confer wrote: HI Folks, The barn door is open or the cat is out of the bag, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT DESCRIBING LOCATIONS OF N GOSHAWK WHEN THEY ACT SOMEWHAT AS IF THEY HAD A TERRITORY. Northern Goshawk are known among banders who climb to hawk nests to frequently abandon a nest, especially early in the nesting cycle, although not so much after the young have hatched.Individual birds can become accustomed to human disturbance at a low level and provide an exception. Other birds that rarely see humans may well abandon a nest if disturbed. At this time of year, they probably haven't started laying and, even if the bird is considering nesting nearby, at this time of the year the bird might just move away. However, if they did start to nest and someone visited the well described site a couple months from now, the bird might abandon eggs. I know there is an excitement in seeing a good bird, and it is very nice to share providing a very good motivation to share a siting with others, e.g., the Schofield Short-eared Owls, which do not seem to be at all disturbed by humans watching them in a car. Other species of birds may have reduced nesting success if people visit them, and goshawk are known to be so affected. Discretion in individual circumstances is advised. Cheers, John On 1/15/2015 11:14 AM, Donna Scott wrote: Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.com mailto:cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:*
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
John C., I'm still trying to figure out how we know Goshawks to be adverse to human disturbance. Anecdotal evidence is nice, as is your research on Golden-winged Warblers, but actual cited research on Northern Goshawks reports the following: *Disturbances associated with research are usually of short duration, apparently having little impact on nesting birds. Viewing nests for short periods after young have hatched does not cause desertion. Trapping adults during nesting for banding or attaching transmitters apparently does not cause abandonment. The percentage of nesting pairs with radios that successfully raised young (83%, n = 8, 1988–1989) was similar to those without radios (82%, n = 10, 1987–1990; Austin 1993 http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/298/articles/species/298/biblio/bib018). Timbering activities near nests can cause failure, especially during incubation (Anonymous 1989 http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/298/articles/species/298/biblio/bib013, Boal and Mannan 1994 http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/298/articles/species/298/biblio/bib034). Logging activities, such as loading and skidding, within 50–100 m of nest can cause abandonment, even with 20-d-old nestlings present (JRS). However, see Zirrer (1947 http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/298/articles/species/298/biblio/bib242) for descriptions of repeated renesting attempts despite extreme disturbance.* My takeaway from that is that unless someone starts logging/timbering at Foster Pond, I think Josh's goshawk will be fine, even if a few folks decide to go take a look for it. This is not a situation comparable to something like a roosting owl's location being posted, since there's no evidence at all that the goshawk will even remain at this exact location any longer than the single day on which Josh observed it. According to more research cited in the BNA account, the earliest-ever recorded date of this species being paired up and on territory is late February, and mid-March to early April is much more common. Exercising caution for the sake of leaving rare or poorly-known birds undisturbed is one thing, but I think it's also worth not immediately rushing to chastise and scold new contributors for their sightings, without any legitimate evidence that their reports will have any negative impact on said birds. -Scott On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:54 PM, John Confer con...@ithaca.edu wrote: I'm just suggesting that an overdoes of caution for the sake of a species that is known to be adverse to human disturbance is worth considering. The evidence for goshawk nest abandonment that I know about is limited but real. I doubt that at this time of year that there would be any impact on reproductive success, but a visit in ~April-May might have an impact. 40 years ago Dorothy McIlroy described to me one goshawk nest that was abandoned while the birds were on eggs and 30 years ago John Snelling, a former grad student of Tom Cade, with a strong interest in raptors, also described such an instance. John Gregoire, below, added another instance(s). This doesn't approach the sample size for a publication. There is data for golden-wings that the number fledged per nest is lower for renests, but that comes from pooling nearly a dozen major studies of GWWA reproductive success, including a half-dozen PhDs, and is detectable only with a sample size of on the order of 500 nests. This won't happen for goshawk. So what we have is anecdotal. Since my information on goshawk is old and very personal and not generally known among the public, I wanted to make the gentle suggestion that for birds swuch as ravens and goshawk or similar birds with individual pairs that can be adversely affected by human presence that the location of (potential) territories and/or nests is probably not a good thing to share. It is interesting that within a species there may be pairs that are acclimated to human presence and pairs that don';t often contact humans and may over-react' to human intrusion. This the consequence of visiting a nest or entering a territory is unpredictable. Cheers, John On 1/16/2015 2:17 PM, Anne Clark wrote: Hopefully this is not taking this outside the interest of many on the list but: I am curious to know the evidence on reduced nesting success in goshawks, in part because it is really important to know what such evidence would look like. John, can you direct those of us who might want to follow up to publications, people, organizations? Thanks, Anne On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:07 PM, John and Sue Gregoire wrote: Heartly concur John. Count me as a bander who has both noted this and had research muddled by such exact descriptions. john -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 N 42 26.611' W 76 45.492' Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ Conserve and Create
Fwd: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
-- Forwarded message -- From: Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co. To: Donna Scott dls...@me.com Heading west on Searsburg rd (Co. rd. 1), turn left on Potomac rd. (past Hector grazing association and Ballard Pond) to enter the Fingerlakes National Forest. Drive South on Potomac rd about a mile or so. The parking area for the Foster Pond area is directly across from where Chicken coop rd intersects with Potomac rd (not sure if there is a road sign for chicken coop rd., but there is a sign for Foster Pond visible in the small parking area) The path from the parking area goes west, stay to the left until you reach Foster pond, then walk around to the far north west corner of the pond. There is a picnic table there, take the path to the left. The goshawk was on the west side of the trail, which is fairly open, across from a huge stand of pine trees, probably 100-200yds down the trail. (Just be careful, Potomac rd is a seasonal dirt rd with little maintenance). Good luck! http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5352123.pdf Josh On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Donna Scott dls...@me.com wrote: Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html *Please submit your observations to eBird http://ebird.org/content/ebird/!* -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
Foster Pond is a small parking lot on the left Side Of Potomac Rd going north from 227. It is not in the CLB but in the SLB. -- John and Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett,NY 14818-9626 N 42 26.611' W 76 45.492' Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/ Conserve and Create Habitat On Thu, January 15, 2015 11:14, Donna Scott wrote: Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
Foster Pond is in Finger Lakes National Forest. It probably is not in the basin. But I have not looked at the details where the water flows! Here is the map with Foster Pond! http://www.cnyhiking.com/FingerLakesNationalForest.htm Meena From: bounce-118706019-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-118706019-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Donna Scott Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:15 AM To: Joshua Snodgrass Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co. Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.commailto:cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
Oh I forgot to point where the pond is on the map. It is close to the yellow box “see inset A” but on the left hand side adjoining the black dotted line in the center of the map! From: bounce-118706019-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-118706019-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Donna Scott Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:15 AM To: Joshua Snodgrass Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co. Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.commailto:cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
Thank you both for the pointers. Had this been a nesting bird, I certainly would have used more discretion. I hadn't considered the possibility of disturbance to a possible future nesting site. This is the first rare bird I've discovered and posted about. The last thing I want is for it to be disturbed or scared off. Good birding Josh On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Kevin J. McGowan k...@cornell.edu wrote: Concern for animal welfare is always worth considering. However, it seems climbing to nests is quite different than observing a bird. In some circumstances, crows will abandon nests with chicks if someone climbs to the nest. Here is what the BNA account says: *Sensitivity To Disturbance At Nest And Roost Sites * Timbering activities near nests can cause failure, especially during incubation (Anonymous 1989 http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/298/articles/species/298/biblio/bib013, Boal and Mannan 1994 http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/298/articles/species/298/biblio/bib034). Logging activities, such as loading and skidding, within 50–100 m of nest can cause abandonment, even with 20-d-old nestlings present (JRS). However, see Zirrer (1947 http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/298/articles/species/298/biblio/bib242) for descriptions of repeated renesting attempts despite extreme disturbance. Camping near nests has also caused failures (*n* = 2; Speiser 1992 http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/298/articles/species/298/biblio/bib202 ). *Research Impacts * Disturbances associated with research are usually of short duration, apparently having little impact on nesting birds. Viewing nests for short periods after young have hatched does not cause desertion. Trapping adults during nesting for banding or attaching transmitters apparently does not cause abandonment. The percentage of nesting pairs with radios that successfully raised young (83%, *n* = 8, 1988–1989) was similar to those without radios (82%, *n* = 10, 1987–1990; Austin 1993 http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/298/articles/species/298/biblio/bib018 ). I don’t see a pressing concern here, personally. Kevin *From:* bounce-118707197-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: bounce-118707197-3493...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *John Confer *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:04 PM *To:* Donna Scott; Joshua Snodgrass *Cc:* CAYUGABIRDS-L *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co. HI Folks, The barn door is open or the cat is out of the bag, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT DESCRIBING LOCATIONS OF N GOSHAWK WHEN THEY ACT SOMEWHAT AS IF THEY HAD A TERRITORY. Northern Goshawk are known among banders who climb to hawk nests to frequently abandon a nest, especially early in the nesting cycle, although not so much after the young have hatched.Individual birds can become accustomed to human disturbance at a low level and provide an exception. Other birds that rarely see humans may well abandon a nest if disturbed. At this time of year, they probably haven't started laying and, even if the bird is considering nesting nearby, at this time of the year the bird might just move away. However, if they did start to nest and someone visited the well described site a couple months from now, the bird might abandon eggs. I know there is an excitement in seeing a good bird, and it is very nice to share providing a very good motivation to share a siting with others, e.g., the Schofield Short-eared Owls, which do not seem to be at all disturbed by humans watching them in a car. Other species of birds may have reduced nesting success if people visit them, and goshawk are known to be so affected. Discretion in individual circumstances is advised. Cheers, John On 1/15/2015 11:14 AM, Donna Scott wrote: Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
HI Folks, The barn door is open or the cat is out of the bag, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT DESCRIBING LOCATIONS OF N GOSHAWK WHEN THEY ACT SOMEWHAT AS IF THEY HAD A TERRITORY. Northern Goshawk are known among banders who climb to hawk nests to frequently abandon a nest, especially early in the nesting cycle, although not so much after the young have hatched.Individual birds can become accustomed to human disturbance at a low level and provide an exception. Other birds that rarely see humans may well abandon a nest if disturbed. At this time of year, they probably haven't started laying and, even if the bird is considering nesting nearby, at this time of the year the bird might just move away. However, if they did start to nest and someone visited the well described site a couple months from now, the bird might abandon eggs. I know there is an excitement in seeing a good bird, and it is very nice to share providing a very good motivation to share a siting with others, e.g., the Schofield Short-eared Owls, which do not seem to be at all disturbed by humans watching them in a car. Other species of birds may have reduced nesting success if people visit them, and goshawk are known to be so affected. Discretion in individual circumstances is advised. Cheers, John On 1/15/2015 11:14 AM, Donna Scott wrote: Where is Foster Pond, please? Sent from my iPhone Donna Scott On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Joshua Snodgrass cedarsh...@gmail.com mailto:cedarsh...@gmail.com wrote: I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html *Please submit your observations to eBird http://ebird.org/content/ebird/!* -- -- *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* Welcome and Basics http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Information http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leave http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm *Archives:* The Mail Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirds http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Net http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html *Please submit your observations to eBird http://ebird.org/content/ebird/!* -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --attachment: confer.vcf
[cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk Fingerlakes National Forest, Schuyler Co.
I went birding at Foster Pond this afternoon, because high twenties feels like spring compared to the last few days. Past the frozen pond and down Backbone trail I ventured into the brushy field to get a better look at some waxwings when I flushed a Northern Goshawk from low cover. Life Bird! She (I'm guessing based on the size) perched in a small tree and posed for a long time. Excellent views. Adult with a bright eyestripe. I took pictures until my hands and toes went numb. She never flew away. As I was returning to the trail two Common Ravens flew over calling. Awesome Day! Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/16096262487/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/123875591@N03/15662257883/in/photostream/ Sorry I didn't post earlier, but I have a dumb phone. Good birding! Josh -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk-- Bald Hill Rd.
We birded Lindsay-Parsons this morning, and watched the Clay-colored Sparrow for quite a while, which was singing cooperatively from an open perch next to the blue trail at NE corner of field, as described by others. We met Gary K. as we were leaving, and he suggested that the bog area on Bald Hill Rd is also a nice place for birds. We saw more Chestnut-sided Warblers there, Alder Flycatcher, Sapsucker, and then, as we walked further up the road, a NORTHERN GOSHAWK started circling above us, calling loudly. A couple of times it came down to fly among the trees and perched in the branches overhanging the road, still calling. While it was briefly perched, we were able to confirm its white-ish breast, strong white eyebrow and white undertail coverts, contrasting with the dark back. (In flight, it looked like a very large accipiter, but field marks were hard to make out against the bright sky). We assume there is a nest nearby, since it was clearly perturbed by our presence on the road. Ken recorded its call: https://soundcloud.com/kenneth-kemphues (clearest in the last 6 seconds of that recording). Location: Bald Hill Road, just south of the intersection with Station Road in the Danby State Forest, just beyond the bog as the road begins to enter denser forest. Diane Morton Ken Kemphues -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk-- Bald Hill Rd.
Nice ! A while after you guys left I was birding the brush just before the RR woods and got a quick glimpse of what I first thought might be a Buteo, but the tail was too long so I put it down as Accipiter sp. gliding toward the Pinnacles. This would have been about the right time to coincide with your sighting. A Goshawk can look very Buteo like sometimes. Gary On Jun 23, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Diane Morton wrote: We birded Lindsay-Parsons this morning, and watched the Clay-colored Sparrow for quite a while, which was singing cooperatively from an open perch next to the blue trail at NE corner of field, as described by others. We met Gary K. as we were leaving, and he suggested that the bog area on Bald Hill Rd is also a nice place for birds. We saw more Chestnut-sided Warblers there, Alder Flycatcher, Sapsucker, and then, as we walked further up the road, a NORTHERN GOSHAWK started circling above us, calling loudly. A couple of times it came down to fly among the trees and perched in the branches overhanging the road, still calling. While it was briefly perched, we were able to confirm its white-ish breast, strong white eyebrow and white undertail coverts, contrasting with the dark back. (In flight, it looked like a very large accipiter, but field marks were hard to make out against the bright sky). We assume there is a nest nearby, since it was clearly perturbed by our presence on the road. Ken recorded its call: https://soundcloud.com/kenneth-kemphues (clearest in the last 6 seconds of that recording). Location: Bald Hill Road, just south of the intersection with Station Road in the Danby State Forest, just beyond the bog as the road begins to enter denser forest. Diane Morton Ken Kemphues -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk
Hi All, I went to Summer Hill in hopes of seeing Evening Grosbeaks, but no luck. I turned onto Dresser Road from Salt Road. (Dave Nutter and I saw a deer carcass there a week ago.) When I drove by it, the deer looked pretty well picked clean. There were no birds around. Hmmm. I drove down the road a little ways, turned around, and parked far enough away from the carcass, but close enough to have a good view of it. I could hear little chip sounds but couldn't see any birds. For some reason, I looked on the other side of the road just in time to see a large grey bird flying away from me. I think it had been perched across from my car. I watched it until it disappeared in the trees - NORTHERN GOSHAWK! Good birding, Ann -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] Northern Goshawk
At 12:30 a Northern Goshawk was soaring north from the Hammond Hill area. It was an adult. Ann Mitchell -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
