[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral position in X-ray/EM at Birkbeck, University of London

2008-05-22 Thread Nicholas Keep

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Full time, fixed term appointment for up to five years

The School of Crystallography/Institute of Structural and Molecular
Biology is seeking a Post-doctoral Research Assistant to carry out
structural analysis of complexes of bacterial type IV secretion systems
by cryo-electron microscopy.  This project is funded by a programme
grant from the Wellcome Trust to Prof Gabriel Waksman and is part of a
collaboration with Prof Helen Saibil. The successful candidate will join
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[ccp4bb] Cis/trans double bonds in refmac/coot

2008-05-22 Thread Nicholas Keep
I have a structure with an unsaturated lipid in the active site, which 
according to the chemists has one cis and one trans double bond.  I 
would expect these to be controlled by the torsion angles in the cif 
files. However altering torsions between 0 and 180  makes no difference 
to the refinement and I get back what I put in terms of the fit of the 
molecule in coot.  Coot is great for fitting such molecules into the 
density, but you can flip the cis-trans fairly easily.


Is it correct that I just have to make sure the bonds are correct before 
starting refinement as the energy penalty for a cis/trans bond being 
wrong despite the torsion being set to a constant is simply too small?



Best wishes
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Re: [ccp4bb] Cis/trans double bonds in refmac/coot

2008-05-22 Thread Paul Emsley

Dear Nic(holas),

Nicholas Keep wrote:
I have a structure with an unsaturated lipid in the active site, which 
according to the chemists has one cis and one trans double bond.  I 
would expect these to be controlled by the torsion angles in the cif 
files. 


Yes, and a planar restraint (which is more converges faster).

However altering torsions between 0 and 180  makes no difference 
to the refinement and I get back what I put in terms of the fit of the 
molecule in coot.  


That may very well be the case if you do not activate torsion angle 
refinement.


Coot is great for fitting such molecules into the 
density, but you can flip the cis-trans fairly easily.


Yes, I agree.  Coot currently ignores const torsions (which is what I am 
guessing that you have for your trans bonds) in torsion refinement, I 
think, this is a mistake.


BTW, It's much harder to cis-trans flip if you use hydrogens, I find.

Is it correct that I just have to make sure the bonds are correct before 
starting refinement as the energy penalty for a cis/trans bond being 
wrong despite the torsion being set to a constant is simply too small?


You *can* make coot fix up you cis-trans errors (and indeed prevent them 
from happening in the first place) but currently the interface is non 
optimal.  You need to hand edit the const trans torsion restraints in 
the cif file so that the torsion id does not contain const and change 
sigma and period to 0.01 and 1 (say).


(And you need to turn on torsion restraints, obviously (under the 
Refinement/Regularize Control button).)


Paul.


[ccp4bb] Density Joining Cysteine and Lysine Side chains

2008-05-22 Thread Andrew Gulick
Greetings.

I'm wondering if anyone has ever seen something like this. I have a 2.1 A
data set (synchrotron data) that is nearing completion. I see density that
appears to join a cysteine side chain to a lysine (30 residues away from
each other in primary sequence). There is a picture of the density here.

http://labs.hwi.buffalo.edu/gulick/cyslys.html

I have modeled this in as a Cysteine sulfenic acid (Side chain is Cb-Sg-OH)
and refined. There remains a bit of positive Fo-Fc density above the oxygen
and the lysine N and sulfenic acid hydroxyl are 1.8A away.

I have some other crazy ideas but haven't been able to find any precedent in
the literature. Any thoughts on what this might be or if anyone has seen
something similar would be greatly appreciated.
Andy





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Re: [ccp4bb] Density Joining Cysteine and Lysine Side chains

2008-05-22 Thread David Briggs
Hi Andrew
You don't say what your protein is crystallised in, or has seen during
purification, but maybe S- MERCAPTOCYSTEINE might fit?
(search for CSS in MSD CHEM)
Do you have lower wavelength data that you might get a sulphur
anomalous signal to check this?

S-methyl Cysteine might fit as well - but the difference peak and bond
lengths look more S-S than S-C.

Hope this helps,

Dave

2008/5/22 Andrew Gulick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Greetings.

 I'm wondering if anyone has ever seen something like this. I have a 2.1 A
 data set (synchrotron data) that is nearing completion. I see density that
 appears to join a cysteine side chain to a lysine (30 residues away from
 each other in primary sequence). There is a picture of the density here.

http://labs.hwi.buffalo.edu/gulick/cyslys.html

 I have modeled this in as a Cysteine sulfenic acid (Side chain is Cb-Sg-OH)
 and refined. There remains a bit of positive Fo-Fc density above the oxygen
 and the lysine N and sulfenic acid hydroxyl are 1.8A away.

 I have some other crazy ideas but haven't been able to find any precedent in
 the literature. Any thoughts on what this might be or if anyone has seen
 something similar would be greatly appreciated.
 Andy





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Re: [ccp4bb] Density Joining Cysteine and Lysine Side chains

2008-05-22 Thread David Briggs
...by lower wavelength, I mean longer wavelength... or lower energy.
Take your pick.

Dave

2008/5/22 David Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi Andrew
 You don't say what your protein is crystallised in, or has seen during
 purification, but maybe S- MERCAPTOCYSTEINE might fit?
 (search for CSS in MSD CHEM)
 Do you have lower wavelength data that you might get a sulphur
 anomalous signal to check this?

 S-methyl Cysteine might fit as well - but the difference peak and bond
 lengths look more S-S than S-C.

 Hope this helps,

 Dave

 2008/5/22 Andrew Gulick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Greetings.

 I'm wondering if anyone has ever seen something like this. I have a 2.1 A
 data set (synchrotron data) that is nearing completion. I see density that
 appears to join a cysteine side chain to a lysine (30 residues away from
 each other in primary sequence). There is a picture of the density here.

http://labs.hwi.buffalo.edu/gulick/cyslys.html

 I have modeled this in as a Cysteine sulfenic acid (Side chain is Cb-Sg-OH)
 and refined. There remains a bit of positive Fo-Fc density above the oxygen
 and the lysine N and sulfenic acid hydroxyl are 1.8A away.

 I have some other crazy ideas but haven't been able to find any precedent in
 the literature. Any thoughts on what this might be or if anyone has seen
 something similar would be greatly appreciated.
 Andy





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 Andrew M. Gulick, Ph.D.
 ---
 (716) 898-8619
 Hauptman-Woodward Institute
 700 Ellicott St
 Buffalo, NY 14203
 ---
 Senior Research Scientist
 Hauptman-Woodward Institute
 Dept. of Structural Biology, SUNY at Buffalo

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 http://labs.hwi.buffalo.edu/gulick




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[ccp4bb] Mosflm : data process of crystal with huge unit cell

2008-05-22 Thread fenguita
Dear All

I am processing data from a crystal for a large macromolecular complex
with mosflm. Cell dimensions are around 120 x 150 x 650, with a p222
spacegroup. To  avoid overlaps, we have collected data with a oscillation
of 0.1 degrees.

When I try to process the data with mosflm, mosaicity decreases along the
processing to a very low values (0.05 to 0.1 depending on the images). The
result is that I miss a lot of spots from the images.

I would appreciate any help regarding :

1.- What's is the best strategy to process such a dataset ?
2.- Which are the critical parameters in mosflm to avoid these problems,
and how to modify them ?
3.- and finally, can I use this data or your advice is to try to get
crystals in a different spacegroup ?

Many thanks

Best regards

Francisco



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[ccp4bb] Microscope camera for taking crystal picture

2008-05-22 Thread aida baha
Dear All,

We are in the process of buying a new microscope with
digital camera. Currently we are using MOTIC Digital Stereo Microscope
(Model DMW-143-FBGG)
with built-in CCD camera, but the quality of the crystal pictures is very
poor.
Furthermore the halogen light is quite hot.

I would appreciate for any suggestion of brand/type
microscope and digital camera purposely for taking good crystal pictures.
Thanks.

Regards
Aida

Aida Baharuddin, Ph.d
Center for Chemical Biology,
Universiti Sains Malaysia,
11800 Minden,
Pulau Pinang, MALAYSIA.


Re: [ccp4bb] Mosflm : data process of crystal with huge unit cell

2008-05-22 Thread Jacob Keller
Perhaps it should also be noted here that the long crystal axis should be 
oriented close to parallel to phi, in order to minimize overlaps. I have 
heard anecdotal evidence (anyone else?) that this long axis, in plate 
crystals, is usually normal to the surface of the plates. 
Perpendicularly-bent/folded loops, in combination with goniometer 
adjustments, can used to acheive this. The plate is then shot through the 
edge from all directions. Do others agree with this? It makes sense to me 
theoretically and in my own experience, anyway.


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Subject: [ccp4bb] Mosflm : data process of crystal with huge unit cell


Dear All

I am processing data from a crystal for a large macromolecular complex
with mosflm. Cell dimensions are around 120 x 150 x 650, with a p222
spacegroup. To  avoid overlaps, we have collected data with a oscillation
of 0.1 degrees.

When I try to process the data with mosflm, mosaicity decreases along the
processing to a very low values (0.05 to 0.1 depending on the images). The
result is that I miss a lot of spots from the images.

I would appreciate any help regarding :

1.- What's is the best strategy to process such a dataset ?
2.- Which are the critical parameters in mosflm to avoid these problems,
and how to modify them ?
3.- and finally, can I use this data or your advice is to try to get
crystals in a different spacegroup ?

Many thanks

Best regards

Francisco



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Macromolecular Crystallography Laboratory
ITQB
EAN, Av. da República
2781-901 Oeiras
Portugal
Phone : +351-21-4469663
Fax : +351-21-4433644
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Re: [ccp4bb] Mosflm : data process of crystal with huge unit cell

2008-05-22 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Francisco,

 With a c axis of 650 Angs your phi-overlap problem is severe. When this
axis is close to being parallel to the beam, the angular distance in radians
between h,k,l and h,k,l+1 for a reflection hkl close to the top or bottom of
an image is the angle spanned by c* viewed at a distance d* (=d*[h,k,l]),
i.e. roughly c*/d*. This gives an angular distance of 1 degree for a c axis
of 180 Angs at a resolution of pi (=3.14159...) Angs. In your case, at a
resolution of 3.25 Angs this angular distance is only 1/200 radian, i.e.
0.286 degree; at higher resolution, it is proportionally smaller. Therefore,
even a small mosaicity (0.2?) will give you severe phi overlap at the top
and bottom of your images (assuming that the spindle axis is horizontal). 

 The best you can hope for is that the estimation of that mosaicity by
matching predicted spots to observed spots will give a correct rejection for
affected reflections - until refinement against measurements that are linear
combinations of intensities of several reflections, rather than intensities
of individual reflections, becomes possible.


 With best wishes,
 
  Gerard.

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On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 03:47:24PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear All
 
 I am processing data from a crystal for a large macromolecular complex
 with mosflm. Cell dimensions are around 120 x 150 x 650, with a p222
 spacegroup. To  avoid overlaps, we have collected data with a oscillation
 of 0.1 degrees.
 
 When I try to process the data with mosflm, mosaicity decreases along the
 processing to a very low values (0.05 to 0.1 depending on the images). The
 result is that I miss a lot of spots from the images.
 
 I would appreciate any help regarding :
 
 1.- What's is the best strategy to process such a dataset ?
 2.- Which are the critical parameters in mosflm to avoid these problems,
 and how to modify them ?
 3.- and finally, can I use this data or your advice is to try to get
 crystals in a different spacegroup ?
 
 Many thanks
 
 Best regards
 
 Francisco
 
 
 
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 Macromolecular Crystallography Laboratory
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 EAN, Av. da República
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 Phone : +351-21-4469663
 Fax : +351-21-4433644
 E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [ccp4bb] Mosflm : data process of crystal with huge unit cell

2008-05-22 Thread Juergen Bosch

Hi Francisco,

you could try using these keywords in Mosflm:

POSTREF WIDTH 3
#since you have 0.1 degree oscillation and Mosflm can only handle 30 
images at once, the default I believe is 5 images if I'm not mistaken

SEPARATION CLOSE
PROFILE RMSBG 25
POSTREF USEBEAM

Then I would start indexing from various images separated let say by 15 
degrees use 6 or more if you have, don't go to full resolution first 
refine the cell estimate the mosaicity, fix the mosaicity and process a 
low res pass (what is your resolution ?).


I assume you didn't run strategy beforehand and checked where you would 
have overlaps ? If you still have the crystal you could collect another 
dataset in a different orientation perhaps (assuming you can move 
kappa). I would then index on two images run strategy and get some 
images where the predicted overlaps are, then try to optimize the 
distance to the detector in favour of no overlaps. If you can, use the 
biggest CCD detector available or image plate if that has a larger 
detector area. Since you're in P222 you could also offset 2theta to 
artificially increase your detector area. Set the beam position almost 
at the edge of the detector and give your crystal a good 360 or more 
degree spin - sure you will end up with somewhere close to 100GB of data 
but who cares if you can solve the problem. 650 A is a challenge but not 
impossible - how many molecules in the asu do you expect ? Can you solve 
your problem with MR or do you need HA phases - if that is the case, 
then searching for another crystallization condition might be faster.


Another thing to mention is if you have a homehexamer don't forget you 
can use NCS averaging so if you only collect a 2.5 A dataset your 
resulting electrondensity maps might look like 2 A after averaging. I 
suggest to rather be modest in resolution and have no overlaps then be 
able to solve the structure and go back eventually to optimize for 
higher resolution etc.


With the cell dimensions you obtained you could startup XDS if you want 
to give it a try. As Graeme mentioned xia2 might be easier for a first 
time XDS user.


Regarding obtaining new / different crystals you could try the Hampton 
additive screens with your crystal condition, with some luck you might 
end up with a more favourable crystal form and smaller cell dimensions. 
Assuming you are working on a macromolecular complex, do you have any EM 
information perhaps - then you would know if e.g. your cell dimensions 
correspond to one complex perhaps or more. Then the smallest cell axis 
you will most likely get will be in the size of your complex.


Just some thoughts,

Juergen

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dear All

I am processing data from a crystal for a large macromolecular complex
with mosflm. Cell dimensions are around 120 x 150 x 650, with a p222
spacegroup. To  avoid overlaps, we have collected data with a oscillation
of 0.1 degrees.

When I try to process the data with mosflm, mosaicity decreases along the
processing to a very low values (0.05 to 0.1 depending on the images). The
result is that I miss a lot of spots from the images.

I would appreciate any help regarding :

1.- What's is the best strategy to process such a dataset ?
2.- Which are the critical parameters in mosflm to avoid these problems,
and how to modify them ?
3.- and finally, can I use this data or your advice is to try to get
crystals in a different spacegroup ?

Many thanks

Best regards

Francisco



-
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Macromolecular Crystallography Laboratory
ITQB
EAN, Av. da República
2781-901 Oeiras
Portugal
Phone : +351-21-4469663
Fax : +351-21-4433644
E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [ccp4bb] Finding NCS operator from one heavy atom site?

2008-05-22 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Hi,

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:22:19AM -0700, Juergen Bosch wrote:
 You can also scratch your head and look at the selfrotation function
 of your dataset.

Some of that scratching can be done using GETAX for you - it's in CCP4
(for years), but hasn't got a CCP4i interface (yet: next release will
have one). If you need help with that, please let me know ...

We used GETAX once in about 1997 with a TaBr-cluster derivative
(single site, phase information to about 7A) SIRAS, having 20
molecules/asu (2.5 D4 octamers) ... You do need to have a Cn/Dn local
NCS though ...

 You might also try out using only the peak dataset (peak  inflection) 
 and see if the other wavelength actually harm your electrondensity, 
 furthermore you could use Sharp to optimize your phases first.

Yes, you want to start with the best density map possible :-)

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Re: [ccp4bb] Finding NCS operator from one heavy atom site?

2008-05-22 Thread Jan Abendroth
Hi Partha,
ncs6d did really great things to me a while ago. Similar case as yours, only
one Met site in each of the 4 monomers, pretty horrible maps. I was amazed
how ncs6d could sort its way through the maps and find the ncs operators. As
a simple approach I just took a spherical map around the methionine site.
In fact it seemed to be easier to find the ncs between two dimers first,
improve the operators with imp and then search for the missing operators
within the dimer.
Sorry, don't have any clever scripts for that, did it all by hand.

The maps improve a lot after averaging. However, almost needles to say that
cloning, expressing, purifying, crystallizing and solving the same construct
of an 85% seq. identical ortholog took less effort than messing around with
the bad maps...

Good luck
Jan

2008/5/22 Partha Chakrabarti [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi,

 Apologies for a non CCP4 question in strict sense. I am trying to work
 out the NCS operators for a three wavelength
 Se-MAD data which has only one site. The map is hardly interpretable.
 I came across the USF Rave package and what I am aiming is

 creak a mask around the heavy atom site (found by SHELX or Solve)
 using mama or so, (ideally from resolve.mtz but not necessarily),

 translate it to the other heavy atom site(s),
 give a 6d search with NCS6d and
 perhaps refine the best CC a bit with imp.

 If it works, I could try use the NCS operator in DM or Resolve etc.

 I was wondering if someone has a C-shell scripts for dealing with such
 situation already. Of course if there are other programs for such a
 task within CCP4, could give it a try.

 Best Regards,
 Partha



Re: [ccp4bb] Finding NCS operator from one heavy atom site? (long)

2008-05-22 Thread Phil Jeffrey

This almost does what you want, but not quite.

To quote from the NCS6D manual:
NCS6D uses a set of BONES or PDB atoms as input and tries to find a set 
of rotations and translations which maximise the correlation coefficient 
between the density at the (BONES) atoms and those at the same atoms 
after application of the operator.


So you cannot use a mask in NCS6D - you can in IMP.

In the case where I did something like this, I could see a single helix 
near the SeMet sites, so I built this helix, then used the following 
script to find the first NCS relationship:


#!/bin/csh -f
#
/usr/local/Uppsala/rave_osx/osx_ncs6d  EOF
eden_400.ext
P
ncs6d_probe.pdb
1
p21212.sym
30.5 6.5 23.0
Y
0 359 10
0 179 10
0 359 10
-10 10 2
-10 10 2
-10 10 2
L
rt_best.o
EOF

Then I wrote a little C program that broke out each of the 100-or-so NCS 
operators that are in rt_best.o into files called rt_test_NN.o 
(NN=integer) and ran each and every one of them through Imp:


#!/bin/csh -f
#
#
foreach file (rt_test_*.o)
\rm LOG
/usr/local/Uppsala/rave_osx/osx_imp MAPSIZE 3500 EOF ! LOG
eden_400.ext
model.mask
p21212.sym
$file
Automatic
1.
.02
2.0
.1
.01
.0001
2
Proper
Complete
Quit
rt_test_new.o
EOF
set cc = `grep Correlation Coefficient LOG`
echo $file
echo $cc
end
#

I guess you could create a fur ball of Calpha positions for the 
initial model to force NCS6D to sort of a volume average - or peak-pick 
the map around the Se sites - I have not tried this.  I found that 
without the IMP step there were too many similar and unimpressive 
solutions for the NCS operator and the top one was not in general the 
correct one.


This approach has the potential to consume quite a lot of CPU but the 
initial map was relatively ugly and ultimately it worked rather well. 
Others might have more elegant ideas.


Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

Partha Chakrabarti wrote:

Hi,

Apologies for a non CCP4 question in strict sense. I am trying to work
out the NCS operators for a three wavelength
Se-MAD data which has only one site. The map is hardly interpretable.
I came across the USF Rave package and what I am aiming is

creak a mask around the heavy atom site (found by SHELX or Solve)
using mama or so, (ideally from resolve.mtz but not necessarily),

translate it to the other heavy atom site(s),
give a 6d search with NCS6d and
perhaps refine the best CC a bit with imp.

If it works, I could try use the NCS operator in DM or Resolve etc.

I was wondering if someone has a C-shell scripts for dealing with such
situation already. Of course if there are other programs for such a
task within CCP4, could give it a try.

Best Regards,
Partha


[ccp4bb] ccp4mg and speed

2008-05-22 Thread Jan Abendroth
Hi all,
... tried on the ccp4mg bb before ...
ccp4mg is such a nice program, yet it is so slow in my hands. An average
sized map calculated from a mtz file takes about 30s to display, while coot
displays both 2FoFc and FoFc maps in about 5s.

Is there anything I can do to speed things up?
I use:
- ccp4mg-1.1.1-Linux-Fedora-Core
- coot-Linux-i386-fedora-6
- python2.4
- Fedora Core release 6

Thanks a lot for any hints.
Jan


[ccp4bb] SGI Dialbox on Coot/UCSF Chimera/ccp4mg/pymol

2008-05-22 Thread Zhijie LI

Hello,

Does anyone know if any of these graphical softwares: COOT, UCSF  
Chimera, ccp4mg, PyMOL, accepts input from a sgi dialbox? And how to  
setup?


We have just got one old SGI 8-dial box working on our linux PC  
(Fedora 8, x86_64). But it seems that only O responses to the input...


Thanks in advance,

Zhijie Li
Biochemistry, U of Toronto


[ccp4bb] DDM artifacts?

2008-05-22 Thread Jacob Keller

Sorry for this non-CCP4 question, but I know no better venue to ask this:

Do people see detergent spherulites or other artifacts in crystal screens in 
the presence of dodecyl-maltoside or other detergents? Are there any papers 
about this? I have seen some papers talking about the relationships between 
salt, temp, cmc, and cloud points, but nothing on precisely this topic 
(detergent-related crystallization artifacts).


Best Regards,

Jacob Keller

ps. in passing, it seems like it would be a great idea to get together an 
excel database of all false-positive results (e.g. phosphate salt crystals) 
commonly found in the usual crystal screens. One could then search it to see 
whether one's current crystallization conditions have be villified in the 
past.




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[ccp4bb] angle restraint refmac etc

2008-05-22 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Dear All,

I have a 3 minor questions re refmac internals:

1) does refmac use angle values directly or restrain 1-3
distances for angle restraint setup?
 
2) the ML coefficients FWT and DELFWT - are they the complete
Fourier coefficients including the exponential, i.e. for example
FWT = (2mFo-DFc)*exp(i*phwt)? (acc. to Murshudov  Cie 1997 
actad 53 p246 formula(20) they are).

But I cannot reconcile that with what mtz2various does when it
generates maps for xtalview. It writes hkl FWT and PHWT.
This makes only sense when the ML coefficents FWT
are only the 2mFo-DFc part excluding exp(i*phwt), because the
FT computes FWT*exp(i*PHWT)*exp(-2Pihx). 

I think the equal sign in (20) is confusing.

3) what happens if 2mFo-DFc  0? Use |2mFo-DFc| and turn the 
phase around i.e. phwt=phic+180? Where could I find a reference 
for that?


Thx, br

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Re: [ccp4bb] angle restraint refmac etc

2008-05-22 Thread Garib Murshudov

On 23 May 2008, at 02:03, Bernhard Rupp wrote:


Dear All,

I have a 3 minor questions re refmac internals:

1) does refmac use angle values directly or restrain 1-3
distances for angle restraint setup?



Yes. Angles are angles in degrees.

2) the ML coefficients FWT and DELFWT - are they the complete
Fourier coefficients including the exponential, i.e. for example
FWT = (2mFo-DFc)*exp(i*phwt)? (acc. to Murshudov  Cie 1997
actad 53 p246 formula(20) they are).



FWT (similarly DELWT) is amlitude of 2mFo exp(i phi_comb) - D |Fc| exp 
(i phi_c) and PHWT is the corresponding phase.



But I cannot reconcile that with what mtz2various does when it
generates maps for xtalview. It writes hkl FWT and PHWT.
This makes only sense when the ML coefficents FWT
are only the 2mFo-DFc part excluding exp(i*phwt), because the
FT computes FWT*exp(i*PHWT)*exp(-2Pihx).


Sign has already been taken into account


I think the equal sign in (20) is confusing.

3) what happens if 2mFo-DFc  0? Use |2mFo-DFc| and turn the
phase around i.e. phwt=phic+180? Where could I find a reference
for that?



Yes. But there is no reference.




Thx, br

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