[ccp4bb] 18A rule reference

2014-05-05 Thread Natalie Tatum
Hi all,

I've had an interesting question from an undergradute student, asking if
there's any specific reference for the 18Å rule of thumb in small
molecule crystallography for dividing the volume of a unit cell by 18 for
the approximate number of non-hydrogen atoms.

I'm afraid my google-fu has failed me, but I was curious as to whether
there is a reference associated with the practice of if it's just one of
those handy little pieces of advice for crystal screening.

Thanks,

Natalie

Natalie J. Tatum
http://about.me/tatum.nj
PhD Researcher
Pohl Group
Durham University


Re: [ccp4bb] 18A rule reference

2014-05-05 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
Divide by 11 if you count all atoms, including H-atoms; divide by 20-22 if
you only count non-H-atoms, to get the approximately number of atoms in
the unit cell.


On Mon, May 5, 2014 6:07 am, Natalie Tatum wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've had an interesting question from an undergradute student, asking if
 there's any specific reference for the 18Å rule of thumb in small
 molecule crystallography for dividing the volume of a unit cell by 18 for
 the approximate number of non-hydrogen atoms.

 I'm afraid my google-fu has failed me, but I was curious as to whether
 there is a reference associated with the practice of if it's just one of
 those handy little pieces of advice for crystal screening.

 Thanks,

 Natalie


Re: [ccp4bb] 18A rule reference

2014-05-05 Thread Harry

Hi Natalie

Try -

P. Román, C. Guzmán-Miralles and A. Luque,

Acta Cryst. (1993). B49, 383-386[ doi:10.1107/S0108768192007201 ]

Estimate of a relationship between the number of atoms and the  
volumes of the unit cells of organic compounds


 references therein

On 5 May 2014, at 12:07, Natalie Tatum wrote:


Hi all,

I've had an interesting question from an undergradute student,  
asking if there's any specific reference for the 18Å rule of thumb  
in small molecule crystallography for dividing the volume of a unit  
cell by 18 for the approximate number of non-hydrogen atoms.


I'm afraid my google-fu has failed me, but I was curious as to  
whether there is a reference associated with the practice of if it's  
just one of those handy little pieces of advice for crystal screening.


Thanks,

Natalie

Natalie J. Tatum
http://about.me/tatum.nj
PhD Researcher
Pohl Group
Durham University



Harry
--
** note change of address **
Dr Harry Powell, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, Francis Crick  
Avenue, Cambridge Biomedical Campus, Cambridge, CB2 0QH


[ccp4bb] Teleology of Inverted Repeat Transporters (and oligomers)

2014-05-05 Thread Keller, Jacob
Dear Crystallographers (teleology-haters exempt here),

Does anyone know of any references discussing teleology of inverted repeats in 
transporters, i.e., what design sense does it make to use this architecture, 
why is it so common even in the absence of sequence similarity? Is there some 
underlying feature of this general design principle that helps transporters 
work well? I suspect someone has discussed it somewhere?

Similarly, generally, with regard to oligomers, which are so common: what's the 
advantage? Isn't it just as likely to generate a protein-protein interface of 
proteins AB as making an AA interface? Or perhaps it's not? It just seems to me 
that oligomerization is way too over-represented in the structural world to be 
by chance.

All the best,

Jacob

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Jacob Pearson Keller, PhD
Looger Lab/HHMI Janelia Farms Research Campus
19700 Helix Dr, Ashburn, VA 20147
email: kell...@janelia.hhmi.org
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[ccp4bb] 18A rule reference

2014-05-05 Thread Natalie Tatum
Thanks all for the links, everyone. A couple of interesting reads.
Hi Natalie

Try -

P. Román, C. Guzmán-Miralles and A. Luque,

Acta Cryst. (1993). B49, 383-386[ doi:10.1107/S0108768192007201 ]

Estimate of a relationship between the number of atoms and the volumes of
the unit cells of organic compounds

 references therein

On 5 May 2014, at 12:07, Natalie Tatum wrote:

 Hi all,

 I've had an interesting question from an undergradute student, asking if
 there's any specific reference for the 18Å rule of thumb in small
 molecule crystallography for dividing the volume of a unit cell by 18 for
 the approximate number of non-hydrogen atoms.

 I'm afraid my google-fu has failed me, but I was curious as to whether
 there is a reference associated with the practice of if it's just one of
 those handy little pieces of advice for crystal screening.

 Thanks,

 Natalie

 Natalie J. Tatum
 http://about.me/tatum.nj
 PhD Researcher
 Pohl Group
 Durham University


Harry
--
** note change of address **
Dr Harry Powell, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, Francis Crick Avenue,
Cambridge Biomedical Campus, Cambridge, CB2 0QH