[ccp4bb] How to improve the density of another molecule in Asymmetric unit

2008-01-16 Thread Sun Tang
Hello Everyone,
   
  I have a question about how to improve the electron density. I have two 
indepedent molecules in the asymmetric unit (1.9 A resolution). I solved the 
structure with PHASER and refined with CCP4i (Rfree = 0.29). 
   
  For the first molecule, the density is very good, but for the second one, the 
density is much worse than the first one. Are there any ways to improve the 
density of the second molecule, such as some kinds of averaging? Why that 
happens?
   
  Thank you very much for your help!
   
  Sincerely,
   
  Sun Tang
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

   
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Re: [ccp4bb] How to improve the density of another molecule in Asymmetric unit

2008-01-16 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt

ni hao,

 I have a question about how to improve the electron density. I have two 
indepedent molecules in the asymmetric unit (1.9 A resolution). I solved the 
structure with PHASER and refined with CCP4i (Rfree = 0.29).


 For the first molecule, the density is very good, but for the second one, 
the density is much worse than the first one. Are there any ways to improve 
the density of the second molecule, such as some kinds of averaging? Why 
that happens?


there can be various causes for this such as undetected twinning or a 
spacegroup error. if you can exclude those possibilities, it could also be 
that the weak-density molecule has fewer packing interactions and thus is less 
well ordered, and therefore has a higher overall temperature factor. you can 
investigate this with SPANCSI (http://xray.bmc.uu.se/usf/spancsi_man.html#H5).


--dvd

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Re: [ccp4bb] How to improve the density of another molecule in Asymmetric unit

2008-01-16 Thread Lijun Liu
First you cannot normally expect two in the same AU have the same  
structure, so an over-weighted averaging may cause bias.


It is likely that a rigid-body refinement down to two molecules or  
even domains may help improve in your case.


On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:47 AM, Sun Tang wrote:


Hello Everyone,

I have a question about how to improve the electron density. I have  
two indepedent molecules in the asymmetric unit (1.9 A resolution).  
I solved the structure with PHASER and refined with CCP4i (Rfree =  
0.29).


For the first molecule, the density is very good, but for the  
second one, the density is much worse than the first one. Are there  
any ways to improve the density of the second molecule, such as  
some kinds of averaging? Why that happens?


Thank you very much for your help!

Sincerely,

Sun Tang
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Lijun Liu, PhD
Institute of Molecular Biology
HHMI  Department of Physics
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
541-346-4080