Re: [ccp4bb] Off topic: How to identify a unknown ligand

2011-03-16 Thread Savvas Savvides
Hi Xiaopeng
To add to Artem's comments:
Does the presumed gsh make a mixed disulfide in the active site?i.e. is it 
covalently bonded to the active site via a s-s bond?
If yes then MS on your purified sample should easily give you the answer.
If a mixed s-s is indeed the scenario then purifying the enzyme in the presence 
of reducing agents and playing with the pH a bit should yield a gsh free 
preparation.  

Best regards
Savvas

On 16 Mar 2011, at 02:19, Artem Evdokimov artem.evdoki...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tightly bound ligands commonly survive purification :) Several unexpected 
 discoveries have been made this way!
  
 If you think your stuff is GSH, soak some 'real' GSH or co-crystallize with 
 it, and see if density shape changes from what you had before. This is not 
 guaranteed to work because sometimes the ligand may be bound so 
 tightly/exchange slowly that the original ligand just won't budge. This was a 
 significant issue with some of the kinase inhibitors and nuclear hormone 
 receptor antagonists that I've had a chance to work with - the binding was 
 almost 'one way' in real-time situation, and (partial) denaturation was 
 required to get the ligands out.
 If your ligand is indeed GSH, in equimolar amount with the protein, then you 
 could also try MS as detection technique. The ligand should come off when 
 protein is subjected to the normal MS environment (typically 0.1% TFA or 
 formic acid, in a mixture of water and acetonitrile, etc.). To detect it, 
 don't forget to expand the mass window to get the mass, and set the 
 ionization mode to positive - you should see a clear 308.3 Da peak, with a 
 lovely isotope splitting pattern (assuming you have access to MS). In 
 negative mode the mass will be 1/2 of the already low m.w. of 307, since GSH 
 has two negative charges. Notably, GSH should also accept e.g. an 
 iodoacetamide group on the -SH, meaning that you should be able to treat 
 crystals with iodoacetamide and observe the addition of -CH2CONH2 to the 
 sulfur. Naturally, the S atom should be pretty prominent in the density 
 anyway. Ditto mercurials, but they may wreck the crystal. Since your enzyme 
 may be a GST (assumption on my part here) it also may present GSH to be 
 reactive with whatever substrates that yor GST is targeting, so you may be 
 able to identify conjugation products.
  
 Artem
 2011/3/14 Xiaopeng Hu huxp...@mail.sysu.edu.cn
 Dear all,
 
 Sorry for this off topic question.
 
 We are working on protein/inhibitor complex structure although we can not get 
 our inhibitors in. However, we did find a strange density at the active site, 
 it looks really like GSH, the natural co-enzyme of thiis protein.We tried to 
 use very simple solution to get crystal then exclude the possiblity of buffer 
 moleculors,but that density is aways there.
 
 I am wondering how this ligand (if it is GSH) can survive all purification 
 steps and want to indentify it. Are there any methodes to do this work? Let's 
 say to pick up a crystal and do some analysis?
 
 Many many thanks!!!
 
 
 Xiaopeng
 


[ccp4bb] Off topic: How to identify a unknown ligand

2011-03-14 Thread Xiaopeng Hu
Dear all,

Sorry for this off topic question.

We are working on protein/inhibitor complex structure although we can not get 
our inhibitors in. However, we did find a strange density at the active site, 
it looks really like GSH, the natural co-enzyme of thiis protein.We tried to 
use very simple solution to get crystal then exclude the possiblity of buffer 
moleculors,but that density is aways there.

I am wondering how this ligand (if it is GSH) can survive all purification 
steps and want to indentify it. Are there any methodes to do this work? Let's 
say to pick up a crystal and do some analysis?

Many many thanks!!!


Xiaopeng