Re: FTGH Large amount of DEC/Misc Classic computer hardware
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Jon Elson wrote: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:02:34 -0500 From: Jon ElsonTo: Peter C. Wallace , General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ; Subject: Re: FTGH Large amount of DEC/Misc Classic computer hardware On 03/17/2017 02:56 PM, Peter C. Wallace via cctalk wrote: We need to move our business and I have about a ton of classic cimputer junk in the SFBA that need to go or get scrapped: You, too, Peter? Wow, this is sure a small world! I'm still getting rid of a few VAX items. Jon Yeah we have a new place but less storage room at least for a couple of years I also thought I would be playing around with my old computer stuff when I retired, but I really dont see that happening (retiring soon or playing with old electronics for fun when I do) also significant pressure from SO to "get rid of that junk" Peter Wallace
Re: FTGH Large amount of DEC/Misc Classic computer hardware
On 03/17/2017 02:56 PM, Peter C. Wallace via cctalk wrote: We need to move our business and I have about a ton of classic cimputer junk in the SFBA that need to go or get scrapped: You, too, Peter? Wow, this is sure a small world! I'm still getting rid of a few VAX items. Jon
Re: DEC items
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Paul Anderson via cctalk wrote: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:15:42 -0500 From: Paul Anderson via cctalkReply-To: Paul Anderson , "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" To: Peter C. Wallace via cctalk Subject: DEC items Hi Peter, Sounds like a nice collection. Which PDP11s do you have? Unfortunately its pretty buried. Its in one of those narrow vertical cases and i dont think its a terribly desirable or fast one though ISTR that it does have a A-D card installed Thanks, Paul Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.
DEC items
Hi Peter, Sounds like a nice collection. Which PDP11s do you have? Thanks, Paul
Re: Unix type OS things
YES please, thanks :) -Devin On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Electronics Plus via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > You guys want me to list these? Manuals, software, Tandy Xenix 6000 binder > with 8" floppies and manual? Some old (but sealed IBM 8" floppies for I > don't recall what (not blanks). > > > > Cindy Croxton > >
Re: FTGH Large amount of DEC/Misc Classic computer hardware
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, Kirk Davis wrote: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:08:31 -0700 From: Kirk DavisTo: Peter C. Wallace , "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re: FTGH Large amount of DEC/Misc Classic computer hardware My Plate is full but I??m sure others would like to know the location of this stuff. Richmond CA (Hilltop business park) On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Peter C. Wallace via cctalk wrote: We need to move our business and I have about a ton of classic cimputer junk in the SFBA that need to go or get scrapped: Many Decstations (3100, 5000/1xx and 5000/240/260s series even a 5100) many Vaxstations 3100s mostly Vax 4000 300? 5" DEC hard drives Many DEC mice Small Alphas Dec/HP CRT monitors HP ~1990s Unix workstations and parts Versatec CE3000 plotter (huge) test equipment (misc Tek scopes and plugins mainly) Symbolics 3645? (from Guy Sotomayer a few years back) HP 2115? mini PDP 11 Couple 3 KW UPSs with bad batterys SR22 calculator Altos 5 15 etc Would really like all to go to someone in the CC community who can take all and sort/distribute themselves rather than cherry pick but that may be optimistic... Peter Wallace Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.
Re: FTGH Large amount of DEC/Misc Classic computer hardware
My Plate is full but I’m sure others would like to know the location of this stuff. > On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Peter C. Wallace via cctalk >wrote: > > We need to move our business and I have about a ton of > classic cimputer junk in the SFBA that need to go or get scrapped: > > Many Decstations (3100, 5000/1xx and 5000/240/260s series even a 5100) > many Vaxstations 3100s mostly > Vax 4000 300? > 5" DEC hard drives > Many DEC mice > Small Alphas > Dec/HP CRT monitors > HP ~1990s Unix workstations and parts > Versatec CE3000 plotter (huge) > test equipment (misc Tek scopes and plugins mainly) > Symbolics 3645? (from Guy Sotomayer a few years back) > HP 2115? mini > PDP 11 > Couple 3 KW UPSs with bad batterys > SR22 calculator > Altos 5 15 > etc > > Would really like all to go to someone in the CC community who can take all > and sort/distribute themselves rather than cherry pick but that may be > optimistic... > > > > Peter Wallace >
FTGH Large amount of DEC/Misc Classic computer hardware
We need to move our business and I have about a ton of classic cimputer junk in the SFBA that need to go or get scrapped: Many Decstations (3100, 5000/1xx and 5000/240/260s series even a 5100) many Vaxstations 3100s mostly Vax 4000 300? 5" DEC hard drives Many DEC mice Small Alphas Dec/HP CRT monitors HP ~1990s Unix workstations and parts Versatec CE3000 plotter (huge) test equipment (misc Tek scopes and plugins mainly) Symbolics 3645? (from Guy Sotomayer a few years back) HP 2115? mini PDP 11 Couple 3 KW UPSs with bad batterys SR22 calculator Altos 5 15 etc Would really like all to go to someone in the CC community who can take all and sort/distribute themselves rather than cherry pick but that may be optimistic... Peter Wallace
Unix type OS things
You guys want me to list these? Manuals, software, Tandy Xenix 6000 binder with 8" floppies and manual? Some old (but sealed IBM 8" floppies for I don't recall what (not blanks). Cindy Croxton
Re: I the new mail system (our system observed elsewhere).
On 3/17/2017 8:42 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tor Arntsen via cctalk Sent: 17 March 2017 15:38 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic PostsSubject: Re: I hate the new mail system On 17 March 2017 at 14:43, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk wrote: On 03/16/2017 10:07 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: I'm pretty confident that every member of the list appreciates the time, effort and whatever else you and certain others have contributed to keep this list humming as well as it almost always does; Full ack, of course! But the new addressing scheme still sucks, sorry. I had occasion last night to go over one of my emails which is subscribed to probably 10 different lists. I found that three of them have converted as long as a year ago to a scheme with nearly identical entries in the From: field which is being complained about. I don't know if the solution converted to here was made up by our own maintainer (who I don't know, apologies), but worth pointing out that many were doing the same. This included some Yahoo group mailings as well, but not all. thanks Jim I still maintain that the change solved every issue I've had, reading with gmail. No more posts ending up in the spam folder unless I configured 'never send to spam' (which has its own issues), no more of the weekly or bi-weekly automatic de-registrations, and addressing (when replying) at the same level of difficulty as before (i.e. not much, just edit out what's not needed). The same here. Much better. Dave
Re: AC magnetic field strengths
Al You should also measure at about 1 inch. It is an inverse square decrease with distance. The rate of drop off is related to the starting point and the shape of the field. Some have a flat field out to some distance before they start the inverse square drop off. Dwight From: cctalkon behalf of js--- via cctalk Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:06:09 PM To: gene...@classiccmp.org; Discussion@ Subject: Re: AC magnetic field strengths That is in fact how I spot degauss CRT screens, but using a flat wood boring bit (metal, obviously, instead of a paint stick) with the magnet stuck on the end, spun around with a drill. - J. On 3/16/2017 6:37 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > It sounds like one can make a fine tape degausser by connecting > > a super magnet to the end of a paint stirring rod and use a drill > > to spin it. > > Dwight > > > > From: cctalk on behalf of Tapley, Mark via > cctalk > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:51:07 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: AC magnetic field strengths > > On Mar 15, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > >> I bought an AlphaLabs GM-2 Gaussmeter for another project, and measured the >> AC magnetic >> field strength touching these devices yesterday, since I really didn't have >> any idea beyond >> order of magnitude what they might be >> >> Handheld tape head demagnetizer: 40 Gauss >> GC Elec 9317 CRT degausing coil: 70 Gauss >> Audiolab TD-3 desktop bulk eraser: 1000 Gauss >> Inmac 7180 or >> RS 44-233A handheld bulk tape erasers: 2000 Gauss >> >> >> >> also the DC field of a 1/4" button super magnet like on the >> backs of clip on badges is about 3000 Gauss > More context available at: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(magnetic_field) > > ranging from 50 femtoGauss (what the Gravity Probe B SQUID magnetometers > measured with several days’ averaging) to 100 MegaGauss (strongest pulsed > field ever obtained at Sandia Labs). > > Interestingly that page claims 12.5 kGauss for a "neodymium–iron–boron (Nd2 > Fe14 B) rare earth magnet” (subscripts on the atomic symbols got converted to > plain text during cut-n-paste). Guess the badges have weaker versions? > > Interesting to compare earth field and the badge fastener field to practical > exposure limit for pacemakers - only about a factor of 10 at the poles - and > to loudspeaker coils, which are 5000 times above the recommended pacemaker > limit. > > Now I know why people with pacemakers don’t like rock music (and name tags)! > > :-) > > - > Mark > > >
Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys
On 03/17/2017 11:41 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > Not quite true. ALGOL was the first choice for a couple of > architectures: Electrologica X8, and the Burroughs 48-bit mainframes. > And I supposed you could claim that status for Bliss in the case of > VAXen, though in a different sense there was a whole set of high > level languages that were there day 1 because the architecture > envisioned all of them (and any combination of them). I'll also consider that there are probably other exceptions. Did FORTRAN or RPG have the honor of "first implemented" on the S/360 Model 20? My gut says RPG. --Chuck
Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys
On 03/17/2017 11:41 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > Not quite true. ALGOL was the first choice for a couple of > architectures: Electrologica X8, and the Burroughs 48-bit mainframes. > And I supposed you could claim that status for Bliss in the case of > VAXen, though in a different sense there was a whole set of high > level languages that were there day 1 because the architecture > envisioned all of them (and any combination of them). Well, okay--the European-American divide must be taken into account--and the Burroughs B5000 architecture was sui generis. But by and large, FORTRAN, at least in North America, was the first language of choice in implementation--after assembly, if one can call assembly a language--many would call it "symbolic coding"; using symbols instead of numeric addresses. --Chuck
Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys
> On Mar 17, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk> wrote: > > ... > It wasn't until the microcomputer era with BASIC, I think that FORTRAN > wasn't the first HLL to be contemplated for a new architecture. Not quite true. ALGOL was the first choice for a couple of architectures: Electrologica X8, and the Burroughs 48-bit mainframes. And I supposed you could claim that status for Bliss in the case of VAXen, though in a different sense there was a whole set of high level languages that were there day 1 because the architecture envisioned all of them (and any combination of them). paul
Re: Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys
On 03/17/2017 11:09 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > and, although we don't know when YOU were playing it, the march had > been around half a century, so was probably playing on the radio to > inspire Backus. Does that mean that Dan. might be right about it > being the predecessor to FORTRAN? Valdres March has been around for more than a century--it's at least 113 years old. So FORTRAN has some catching up to do. It wasn't until the microcomputer era with BASIC, I think that FORTRAN wasn't the first HLL to be contemplated for a new architecture. --Chuck
Re: Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys
In response to a question of who provided the Lisa FORTRAN, guy who insisted that Valtrep was the predecessor of FORTRAN 'course he also had OS/2 for the PDP-11, and a PROGRAM that could duplicate alignment disks, . . . Isn't "Valdtrep" a Norwegian march by Johannes Hanssen? It's Valdres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdres and Valdres march. Oh, I know--I was making a joke. It's a fine march and I've performed it in conCert bands many times. and, although we don't know when YOU were playing it, the march had been around half a century, so was probably playing on the radio to inspire Backus. Does that mean that Dan. might be right about it being the predecessor to FORTRAN? OB_Trivia: Originally "FORTRAN" was a portmanteau of "FORmula TRANslation". cf. Lewis Carroll, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/portmanteau (Q: Why would anybody make a computer language out of a big suitcase? A: for portability!) In 1992?, the revised standard changed the official spelling from FORTRAN to Fortran, (Fortran 8X, Fortran 90) Valtrep came long after FORTRAN, and had no discernable influence on Fortran. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys
On 03/17/2017 10:06 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > Oh, I know--I was making a joke. It's a fine march and I've > performed it in convert bands many times. Er, make that "concert bands" --Chuck
Re: Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys
On 03/17/2017 06:46 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk >wrote: >> On 03/16/2017 08:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> >> >> Isn't "Valdtrep" a Norwegian march by Johannes Hanssen? > > It's Valdres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdres and Valdres > march. Oh, I know--I was making a joke. It's a fine march and I've performed it in convert bands many times. --Chuck
sealed packets of DOS 6.22 and Win 3.1
If anybody wants them: https://www.elecshopper.com/dos-6-22-and-windows-3-1-on-3-5-inch-floppy-disk ettes.html Cindy Croxton
RE: I hate the new mail system
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tor > Arntsen via cctalk > Sent: 17 March 2017 15:38 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> Subject: Re: I hate the new mail system > > On 17 March 2017 at 14:43, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > > On 03/16/2017 10:07 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > >> > >> I'm pretty confident that every member of the list appreciates the > >> time, effort and whatever else you and certain others have > >> contributed to keep this list humming as well as it almost always > >> does; > > > > Full ack, of course! > > > > But the new addressing scheme still sucks, sorry. > > I still maintain that the change solved every issue I've had, reading with > gmail. > No more posts ending up in the spam folder unless I configured 'never send > to spam' (which has its own issues), no more of the weekly or bi-weekly > automatic de-registrations, and addressing (when replying) at the same level > of difficulty as before (i.e. not much, just edit out what's not needed). The same here. Much better. Dave
Re: I hate the new mail system
On 17 March 2017 at 14:43, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalkwrote: > > > On 03/16/2017 10:07 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: >> >> I'm pretty confident that every member of the list appreciates the >> time, effort and whatever else you and certain others have >> contributed to keep this list humming as well as it almost always >> does; > > Full ack, of course! > > But the new addressing scheme still sucks, sorry. I still maintain that the change solved every issue I've had, reading with gmail. No more posts ending up in the spam folder unless I configured 'never send to spam' (which has its own issues), no more of the weekly or bi-weekly automatic de-registrations, and addressing (when replying) at the same level of difficulty as before (i.e. not much, just edit out what's not needed).
Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys
> On Mar 17, 2017, at 9:05 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk> wrote: > > >> On Mar 16, 2017, at 9:28 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: >> >> But was FORTRAN that portable? >> Other than the IBM 1130 I cannot think of a small computer >> that had ample I/O and memory to run and compile FORTRAN. All the >> other 16 bitters seem to more paper tape I/O. >> I suspect 90% of all university computers ended up as IBM 360 >> systems. A few ended up with the VAX, but who knows what they >> ran. >> Ben. > > I know of FORTRAN implementations for one's complement machines with word > length of 24, 27, and 60 bits, decimal machines (IBM 1620), two's complement > machines of 12, 16, 48 bit words, just to pick a few. FORTRAN > implementations tended not to be all that demanding of resources: 4k words is > a typical minimum. > > I think a lot of high level languages are quite portable. ALGOL is not as > widely ported but not because it's inherently harder. PASCAL was ported to > many different machines too. C is a bit of an anomaly because it's more like > a high level assembly language, so it has portability limitations that many > other high level languages don't run into. > > paul > I just released a new version of the CDC 1700 simulator for SIMH. This is a one’s complement, 16-bit machine and the Fortran compiler is now functional in 16KW of available space (a smaller version (12KW) was available but I don’t know if any copies survived). The source code for the compiler is available on Bitsavers - it’s written mostly in Fortran. John.
Re: HP 9000/382 Questions
An update I acquired another 9000/382 with a hard drive. It booting into VUE and eventually found out it is running HP-UX 9.10, As usual no root password. I tried the -\ "hack" while a fsck was taking place and on the 2nd try it dropped me into single user mode. From there the rest was easy https://goo.gl/photos/rDN8bhjVxoeSCw7k8 Looks like a clean install of 9.10 with nothing else. I'll do a dump of the drive and post the image when I get a chance, lots of other projects going on. Now to come up to speed on HP-UX and get it on the network. Thanks to Frank Slootweg via comp.sys.hp.hpux for the keyboard characters to try. -pete On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:00 AM, Christian Corti < c...@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, Rik Bos wrote: > >> These tapes where used in a number of machine such as 9825, 9831, 9835, >>> 9845, >>> 9915, and 85A There was also at least 1 external tape drive that >>> used these >>> >> [...] > >> Aagh, I forgot about the HP85 some instrument programs where written for >> > [...] > > For me, the most obvious machines would be the HP264x terminals ;-) > There are numerous software packaged on DC100 cartridges meant to be > read/used with e.g. a HP2645 terminal attached to a HP system (HP1000 or > HP3000) > > Christian > >
Re: Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalkwrote: > On 03/16/2017 08:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > > Isn't "Valdtrep" a Norwegian march by Johannes Hanssen? It's Valdres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdres and Valdres march. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen
Re: I hate the new mail system
On 03/16/2017 10:07 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: I'm pretty confident that every member of the list appreciates the time, effort and whatever else you and certain others have contributed to keep this list humming as well as it almost always does; Full ack, of course! But the new addressing scheme still sucks, sorry. Kind regards Philipp
Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 9:28 PM, ben via cctalkwrote: > > But was FORTRAN that portable? > Other than the IBM 1130 I cannot think of a small computer > that had ample I/O and memory to run and compile FORTRAN. All the > other 16 bitters seem to more paper tape I/O. > I suspect 90% of all university computers ended up as IBM 360 > systems. A few ended up with the VAX, but who knows what they > ran. > Ben. I know of FORTRAN implementations for one's complement machines with word length of 24, 27, and 60 bits, decimal machines (IBM 1620), two's complement machines of 12, 16, 48 bit words, just to pick a few. FORTRAN implementations tended not to be all that demanding of resources: 4k words is a typical minimum. I think a lot of high level languages are quite portable. ALGOL is not as widely ported but not because it's inherently harder. PASCAL was ported to many different machines too. C is a bit of an anomaly because it's more like a high level assembly language, so it has portability limitations that many other high level languages don't run into. paul
Re: VCF Europe
Dave and anyone else thinking of going, Last year I stayed at the Central Hotel-Apart, Josephsburgstraße 26, 81673 München (http://www.centralhotelapart.de but doesn't seem to work right now.) It's 500m or so from the venue. The Hotel Eisenreich mentioned on the website is no longer there. I'm not sure if I'm going - I probably need to get a move on organising how to get the stuff there. It looks like it's 3 days this year, and May 1 is a holiday here too, but museums etc. were closed on that day so if I go I'll try to do a bit of looking around on the Sunday. Lawrence On 16/03/17 20:22, David Wade via cctalk wrote: Folks, Rod has spurred me on to pay a visit to VCF Europe. I wonder if any one else on the list is going. If so any thoughts on Hotels? I will probably only manage the Saturday! Dave -- Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360
Re: Looking for an Intel SRM
Camiel - I have cross-posted this to the Intel Alumni list for you. I asked anyone with info to contact you directly. Good luck! Lee Courtney On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 6:26 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Here¹s a long shot, about as long as they get. > > I received an Intel iPSC/860 supercomputer, but it¹s lacking the Intel SRM > (System Resource Manager), without which the system is a boat anchor. > > The SRM is an Intel 386 desktop machine, with a SYP301 motherboard and a > plugin card to connect it to the iPSC/860. There¹s a cable coming from the > iPSC with a 25-pin D connector, which I believe is the connection to the > SRM. It¹s not a regular serial port, but a bidirectional 2.6MByte per > second connection. The interface card likely uses a bunch of Xilinx chips > (the interface cards on the iPSC node boards do). I have not been able to > find a picture of what the box looks like on the outside, so I have no > idea. So, I¹m looking for one of these, preferably one the owner would be > willing to part with :-) > > Camiel > > > -- Lee Courtney +1-650-704-3934 cell
VCF Europe
Folks, Rod has spurred me on to pay a visit to VCF Europe. I wonder if any one else on the list is going. If so any thoughts on Hotels? I will probably only manage the Saturday! Dave