Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-21 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk



> On Jul 20, 2019, at 8:45 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 7/20/19 2:37 PM, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote:
>> I never could figure out why would anybody need dbase IV when RMS was built 
>> into the VAX file system?
> 
> Compatibility with other dbase files from other platforms that didn't have 
> RMS?

Or because RMS isn't a database?  Even an ISAM file is a very different beast 
from a database.  Come to think of it, you might deduce this from the fact that 
DEC built database products on VMS, DBMS (a CODASYL database, whatever that 
means) as well as RDMS (a relational database, built I think when that concept 
had just appeared).

paul




Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-20 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk

On 7/20/19 2:37 PM, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote:
I never could figure out why would anybody need dbase IV when RMS was 
built into the VAX file system?


Compatibility with other dbase files from other platforms that didn't 
have RMS?




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unix || die


Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-20 Thread Nigel Johnson via cctalk

Wordperfect is still available for the PC at least:

https://www.wordperfect.com/en/product/office-suite/?_ga=2.94896540.164217.1563661496-220557285.1563661496&_gac=1.10602368.1563661496.EAIaIQobChMIrcuv_MTE4wIVRL7ACh0YpQXAEAAYAiAAEgLrn_D_BwE

cheers,

Nigel


On 20/07/2019 18:23, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:20 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk 
 wrote:

Lotus 1-2-3 had AL-IN-1 integration (at least that's what the announcement of 
it's retirement suggests. It sounds like Lotus developed and sold it and 
Digital just advertised it. The retirement happened in 1995.

It definitely had ALL-IN-1 integration.  The rest of that sounds right, I think 
it was released around 1990.  Does anyone remember when IBM bought Lotus?  That 
likely had something to do with the retirement, I know that by ’95 IBM had 
owned them for a while.  It also had Rdb integration.


Back in 1991, all three were available on the VAXstation 4000 VLC:


"VAXstation 4000 VLC

The VAXstation 4000 VLC workstation is the first workstation in the industry
to break the $3,500 price barrier.  Offering 6.2 SPECmarks (6 VUPs) of
processing power, this system is twice as powerful as the previous entry-
level VAXstation 3100 Model 30 system. This low price and DEC SoftPC V3.0
software (Digital's PC emulator) or native applications, such as Lotus
1-2-3, dBASE IV, or WordPerfect, make the VAXstation 4000 VLC system a
desirable alternative to PCs in the VMS environment. For more information
regarding DEC SoftPC software, see the related article in this issue of
Digital's Customer Update."


I don't see a price anywhere so I can't tell how "low" it really was :-)

That would explain why the VLC I have, had both Wordperfect and Lotus 1-2-3.  
Both reminded me of the DOS versions.  Unfortunately I have no idea on what the 
original prices were.  It would definitely be interesting to know.  I need to 
get organized.  I’m honestly not sure where a lot of the DEC documentation I 
still have is.

SoftPC sounds like it would be interesting to play with.

I’m not sure when WordPerfect ceased to be available.  I’m pretty sure you 
could still buy 7.1 in 2000, as I considered finding out what it would cost at 
that time.

Here is some info on pricing of Lotus 1-2-3…

https://www.cbronline.com/news/lotus_launches_vms_1_2_3_/

"Prices for 1-2-3 for VAX/VMS range from $800 for single-user VAXstation 3100 
systems to $67,473 for VAX 9000 systems; 1-2-3 for All-In-1 prices range from $1,197 
to $94,462 on the same machines.”

Also pricing info for WordPerfect v4.2:
https://www.cbronline.com/news/wordperfect_to_give_wordperfect_42_its_european_debut/

"Wordperfect 4.2 for DEC VAX/VMS its European debut: the pack – UKP850 on a 
VAXstation to UKP23,570 for the VAX 8978"

It looks like dBase IV must have been released for VAX/VMS between July of 1990 
and 1991, since it looks like Borland acquired them in July of ’91, and 
announced continued support for VAX/VMS.

For those that don’t remember that time period, Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect for 
DOS both cost several hundred dollars.

Zane




 


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Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-20 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk


> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:20 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lotus 1-2-3 had AL-IN-1 integration (at least that's what the announcement of 
> it's retirement suggests. It sounds like Lotus developed and sold it and 
> Digital just advertised it. The retirement happened in 1995.

It definitely had ALL-IN-1 integration.  The rest of that sounds right, I think 
it was released around 1990.  Does anyone remember when IBM bought Lotus?  That 
likely had something to do with the retirement, I know that by ’95 IBM had 
owned them for a while.  It also had Rdb integration.

> Back in 1991, all three were available on the VAXstation 4000 VLC:
> 
> 
> "VAXstation 4000 VLC
> 
> The VAXstation 4000 VLC workstation is the first workstation in the industry
> to break the $3,500 price barrier.  Offering 6.2 SPECmarks (6 VUPs) of
> processing power, this system is twice as powerful as the previous entry-
> level VAXstation 3100 Model 30 system. This low price and DEC SoftPC V3.0
> software (Digital's PC emulator) or native applications, such as Lotus
> 1-2-3, dBASE IV, or WordPerfect, make the VAXstation 4000 VLC system a
> desirable alternative to PCs in the VMS environment. For more information
> regarding DEC SoftPC software, see the related article in this issue of
> Digital's Customer Update."
> 
> 
> I don't see a price anywhere so I can't tell how "low" it really was :-)

That would explain why the VLC I have, had both Wordperfect and Lotus 1-2-3.  
Both reminded me of the DOS versions.  Unfortunately I have no idea on what the 
original prices were.  It would definitely be interesting to know.  I need to 
get organized.  I’m honestly not sure where a lot of the DEC documentation I 
still have is.

SoftPC sounds like it would be interesting to play with.

I’m not sure when WordPerfect ceased to be available.  I’m pretty sure you 
could still buy 7.1 in 2000, as I considered finding out what it would cost at 
that time.

Here is some info on pricing of Lotus 1-2-3…

https://www.cbronline.com/news/lotus_launches_vms_1_2_3_/

"Prices for 1-2-3 for VAX/VMS range from $800 for single-user VAXstation 3100 
systems to $67,473 for VAX 9000 systems; 1-2-3 for All-In-1 prices range from 
$1,197 to $94,462 on the same machines.”

Also pricing info for WordPerfect v4.2:
https://www.cbronline.com/news/wordperfect_to_give_wordperfect_42_its_european_debut/

"Wordperfect 4.2 for DEC VAX/VMS its European debut: the pack – UKP850 on a 
VAXstation to UKP23,570 for the VAX 8978"

It looks like dBase IV must have been released for VAX/VMS between July of 1990 
and 1991, since it looks like Borland acquired them in July of ’91, and 
announced continued support for VAX/VMS.

For those that don’t remember that time period, Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect for 
DOS both cost several hundred dollars.

Zane






Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-20 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk

On 20/07/2019 21:15, Dave Wade wrote:



-Original Message-
From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini
via cctalk



"VAXstation 4000 VLC

The VAXstation 4000 VLC workstation is the first workstation in the industry
to break the $3,500 price barrier.  Offering 6.2 SPECmarks (6 VUPs) of
processing power, this system is twice as powerful as the previous entry-
level VAXstation 3100 Model 30 system. This low price and DEC SoftPC V3.0
software (Digital's PC emulator) or native applications, such as Lotus 1-2-3,
dBASE IV, or WordPerfect, make the VAXstation 4000 VLC system a desirable
alternative to PCs in the VMS environment. For more information regarding
DEC SoftPC software, see the related article in this issue of Digital's Customer
Update."


I don't see a price anywhere so I can't tell how "low" it really was :-)


Antonio

Well given what you say above I would guess $3,499!



I really meant for any of that software. Remember, the software was just 
there to sell the hardware :-)



Antonio


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Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-20 Thread Nigel Johnson via cctalk
I never could figure out why would anybody need dbase IV when RMS was 
built into the VAX file system?


I once did a media conversion from Vax to PC where the programmers said 
the uVax II was as slow as molasses, then I found that they had the data 
stored as a flat ASCII file !




On 20/07/2019 16:15, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:



-Original Message-
From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini
via cctalk
Sent: 20 July 2019 18:20
To: Bill Gunshannon via cctalk 
Subject: Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

On 20/07/2019 00:15, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:

On 7/19/19 4:04 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On Jul 18, 2019, at 8:58 PM, Eric Dittman via cctalk

 wrote:

On 7/18/2019 12:26 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On a related note, was there ever a copy of dBase III or dBase IV for

VAX/VMS?  I know there was a version of Lotus 1-2-3.

I don't know about the earlier versions but I have a copy of dBase
IV for VAX/VMS that's still in the shrink-wrap.
--
Eric Dittman

Interesting, so my vague memory was correct.  That means they had

WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, and dBase IV available.  Was there All-IN-1
integration?  I think both WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 offered that.

There seems to be almost no info online on it.


I just looked and none of the three were included in the VAX Software
Source Book.


Lotus 1-2-3 had AL-IN-1 integration (at least that's what the announcement
of it's retirement suggests. It sounds like Lotus developed and sold it and
Digital just advertised it. The retirement happened in 1995.

Back in 1991, all three were available on the VAXstation 4000 VLC:


"VAXstation 4000 VLC

The VAXstation 4000 VLC workstation is the first workstation in the industry
to break the $3,500 price barrier.  Offering 6.2 SPECmarks (6 VUPs) of
processing power, this system is twice as powerful as the previous entry-
level VAXstation 3100 Model 30 system. This low price and DEC SoftPC V3.0
software (Digital's PC emulator) or native applications, such as Lotus 1-2-3,
dBASE IV, or WordPerfect, make the VAXstation 4000 VLC system a desirable
alternative to PCs in the VMS environment. For more information regarding
DEC SoftPC software, see the related article in this issue of Digital's Customer
Update."


I don't see a price anywhere so I can't tell how "low" it really was :-)


Antonio

Well given what you say above I would guess $3,499!

Does any one know if its possible to buy traded 123 , WP, DBASE or SoftPC for 
the VLC?
It would be real fun to see how slow they were on the VLC although it does seem 
to run the software I have installed very smoothly

Dave




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RE: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-20 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk



> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini
> via cctalk
> Sent: 20 July 2019 18:20
> To: Bill Gunshannon via cctalk 
> Subject: Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)
> 
> On 20/07/2019 00:15, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> > On 7/19/19 4:04 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> >>> On Jul 18, 2019, at 8:58 PM, Eric Dittman via cctalk
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 7/18/2019 12:26 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> >>>> On a related note, was there ever a copy of dBase III or dBase IV for
> VAX/VMS?  I know there was a version of Lotus 1-2-3.
> >>> I don't know about the earlier versions but I have a copy of dBase
> >>> IV for VAX/VMS that's still in the shrink-wrap.
> >>> --
> >>> Eric Dittman
> >> Interesting, so my vague memory was correct.  That means they had
> WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, and dBase IV available.  Was there All-IN-1
> integration?  I think both WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 offered that.
> >>
> >> There seems to be almost no info online on it.
> >>
> > I just looked and none of the three were included in the VAX Software
> > Source Book.
> 
> 
> Lotus 1-2-3 had AL-IN-1 integration (at least that's what the announcement
> of it's retirement suggests. It sounds like Lotus developed and sold it and
> Digital just advertised it. The retirement happened in 1995.
> 
> Back in 1991, all three were available on the VAXstation 4000 VLC:
> 
> 
> "VAXstation 4000 VLC
> 
> The VAXstation 4000 VLC workstation is the first workstation in the industry
> to break the $3,500 price barrier.  Offering 6.2 SPECmarks (6 VUPs) of
> processing power, this system is twice as powerful as the previous entry-
> level VAXstation 3100 Model 30 system. This low price and DEC SoftPC V3.0
> software (Digital's PC emulator) or native applications, such as Lotus 1-2-3,
> dBASE IV, or WordPerfect, make the VAXstation 4000 VLC system a desirable
> alternative to PCs in the VMS environment. For more information regarding
> DEC SoftPC software, see the related article in this issue of Digital's 
> Customer
> Update."
> 
> 
> I don't see a price anywhere so I can't tell how "low" it really was :-)
> 
> 
> Antonio

Well given what you say above I would guess $3,499!

Does any one know if its possible to buy traded 123 , WP, DBASE or SoftPC for 
the VLC?
It would be real fun to see how slow they were on the VLC although it does seem 
to run the software I have installed very smoothly

Dave


> 
> 
> --
> Antonio Carlini
> anto...@acarlini.com




Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-20 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk

On 20/07/2019 00:15, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:

On 7/19/19 4:04 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On Jul 18, 2019, at 8:58 PM, Eric Dittman via cctalk  
wrote:

On 7/18/2019 12:26 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On a related note, was there ever a copy of dBase III or dBase IV for VAX/VMS?  
I know there was a version of Lotus 1-2-3.

I don't know about the earlier versions but I have a copy of dBase IV
for VAX/VMS that's still in the shrink-wrap.
--
Eric Dittman

Interesting, so my vague memory was correct.  That means they had WordPerfect, 
Lotus 1-2-3, and dBase IV available.  Was there All-IN-1 integration?  I think 
both WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 offered that.

There seems to be almost no info online on it.


I just looked and none of the three were included in the
VAX Software Source Book.



Lotus 1-2-3 had AL-IN-1 integration (at least that's what the 
announcement of it's retirement suggests. It sounds like Lotus developed 
and sold it and Digital just advertised it. The retirement happened in 1995.


Back in 1991, all three were available on the VAXstation 4000 VLC:


"VAXstation 4000 VLC

The VAXstation 4000 VLC workstation is the first workstation in the 
industry

to break the $3,500 price barrier.  Offering 6.2 SPECmarks (6 VUPs) of
processing power, this system is twice as powerful as the previous entry-
level VAXstation 3100 Model 30 system. This low price and DEC SoftPC V3.0
software (Digital's PC emulator) or native applications, such as Lotus
1-2-3, dBASE IV, or WordPerfect, make the VAXstation 4000 VLC system a
desirable alternative to PCs in the VMS environment. For more information
regarding DEC SoftPC software, see the related article in this issue of
Digital's Customer Update."


I don't see a price anywhere so I can't tell how "low" it really was :-)


Antonio


--
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anto...@acarlini.com



Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-19 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 7/19/19 4:04 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2019, at 8:58 PM, Eric Dittman via cctalk  
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/18/2019 12:26 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>>> On a related note, was there ever a copy of dBase III or dBase IV for 
>>> VAX/VMS?  I know there was a version of Lotus 1-2-3.
>>
>> I don't know about the earlier versions but I have a copy of dBase IV
>> for VAX/VMS that's still in the shrink-wrap.
>> -- 
>> Eric Dittman
> 
> Interesting, so my vague memory was correct.  That means they had 
> WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, and dBase IV available.  Was there All-IN-1 
> integration?  I think both WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 offered that.
> 
> There seems to be almost no info online on it.
> 

I just looked and none of the three were included in the
VAX Software Source Book.

bill




Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-19 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk


> On Jul 18, 2019, at 8:58 PM, Eric Dittman via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 7/18/2019 12:26 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>> On a related note, was there ever a copy of dBase III or dBase IV for 
>> VAX/VMS?  I know there was a version of Lotus 1-2-3.
> 
> I don't know about the earlier versions but I have a copy of dBase IV
> for VAX/VMS that's still in the shrink-wrap.
> -- 
> Eric Dittman

Interesting, so my vague memory was correct.  That means they had WordPerfect, 
Lotus 1-2-3, and dBase IV available.  Was there All-IN-1 integration?  I think 
both WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 offered that.

There seems to be almost no info online on it.

Zane




Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-18 Thread Eric Dittman via cctalk

On 7/18/2019 12:26 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On a related note, was there ever a copy of dBase III or dBase IV for VAX/VMS?  
I know there was a version of Lotus 1-2-3.


I don't know about the earlier versions but I have a copy of dBase IV
for VAX/VMS that's still in the shrink-wrap.
--
Eric Dittman


Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk


> On Jul 18, 2019, at 12:12 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've no idea where it came from but I do have a licence PAK for WordPerfect: 
> 7-NOV-1991 to 2011.
> 
> You could just run with a date in the past ... seems somehow apropriate :-)

Oddly enough, mine ran from August 1991 to August 2011.

Zane

Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-18 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk

On 18/07/2019 23:23, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

On 7/18/19 11:38 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:



On Jul 17, 2019, at 10:43 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk  
wrote:
I think even if you have the key it fails today. There was a thread recently on 
comp.os.vms

Saying it expires after  days and theirs had just expired...

Oh, now that's just obnoxious. Requiring a license refresh every 27 years? It's 
ransomware, I say!

The least they could do is offer a version upgrade after 27 years...

--Chuck


That'll be LibreOffice Writer, I assume :-)

Antonio

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Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 7/18/19 11:38 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 10:43 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk  
>> wrote:
>> I think even if you have the key it fails today. There was a thread recently 
>> on comp.os.vms
>>
>> Saying it expires after  days and theirs had just expired...
> 
> Oh, now that's just obnoxious. Requiring a license refresh every 27 years? 
> It's ransomware, I say!

The least they could do is offer a version upgrade after 27 years...

--Chuck


Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-18 Thread Nigel Johnson via cctalk
I have never like the Wordperfect people. They killed my friend's 
business. He had  vaxes that he rented time on, also charged a huge 
amount of money per seat week for WPS training.


The boys from Utah released Wordperrect for the VAX and put him out of 
business!


(OK the PCs helped too , but the training was his last source of income)

cheers,m

Nigel



On 18/07/2019 14:38, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote:



On Jul 17, 2019, at 10:43 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk  
wrote:
I think even if you have the key it fails today. There was a thread recently on 
comp.os.vms

Saying it expires after  days and theirs had just expired...

Oh, now that's just obnoxious. Requiring a license refresh every 27 years? It's 
ransomware, I say!


 


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Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-18 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk



> On Jul 17, 2019, at 10:43 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk  
> wrote:
> I think even if you have the key it fails today. There was a thread recently 
> on comp.os.vms
> 
> Saying it expires after  days and theirs had just expired...

Oh, now that's just obnoxious. Requiring a license refresh every 27 years? It's 
ransomware, I say!


-- 
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http://www.nf6x.net/



Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-18 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk

On 18/07/2019 06:43, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:



I think even if you have the key it fails today. There was a thread recently on 
comp.os.vms

Saying it expires after  days and theirs had just expired...

http://www.novabbs.com/index.php?t=msg&th=292017&start=0&;

Dave


I've no idea where it came from but I do have a licence PAK for 
WordPerfect: 7-NOV-1991 to 2011.


You could just run with a date in the past ... seems somehow apropriate :-)


Antonio

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RE: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-17 Thread Dave Wade via cctalk
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks via
> cctalk
> Sent: 18 July 2019 04:24
> To: Jason T ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-
> Topic Posts 
> Subject: Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS
> 
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:54 PM Jason T via cctalk 
> wrote:
> > I have a .tap image of WP 4.2 and 5.0 for VMS that I made from my own
> > tape years ago. The image has been  successfully mounted but IIRC the
> > software looks for a license key that I've never found. I do not
> > believe it is a PAK as with other VMS packages.
> 
> I worked for a guy in 1988 that was a WP for VMS reseller.  I remember one
> particular sale of 10-12 seat licenses for which the commission made his
> entire year.  Unfortunately I have no information on how the licensing
> worked.  There was, IIRC, a bit of paper in the box with the key information
> on it but I have no idea how it worked.
> 
> -ethan

I think even if you have the key it fails today. There was a thread recently on 
comp.os.vms

Saying it expires after  days and theirs had just expired...

http://www.novabbs.com/index.php?t=msg&th=292017&start=0&;

Dave



Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-17 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Jul 17, 2019, at 7:54 PM, Jason T via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 21:50 Grant Taylor via cctalk 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This crossed my radar earlier today.  I figured that someone on the
>> CCTalk mailing list might be interested in it.
>> 
>> Link - Vintage 1995 Novell WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS TK50 Tape Digital
>> DEC VAX
>>  - https://www.ebay.com/itm/133114102939
> 
> 
> I have a .tap image of WP 4.2 and 5.0 for VMS that I made from my own tape
> years ago. The image has been  successfully mounted but IIRC the software
> looks for a license key that I've never found. I do not believe it is a PAK
> as with other VMS packages.  I can provide the image on request but I don't
> want a post it publicly.
> 
> J

Without a proper license key, I think the software is useless.  It uses a 
-- alpha-numeric Checksum.  I think it’s tied in some way to the 
distribution ID.  They use their own licensing mechanism. 

I just checked, I have a copy of the v5.0 “WordPerfect Workbook for VAX/VMS 
Systems”, I’m pretty sure I had more than just that book, but I’m not sure if I 
still do.  The other book(s) would likely give info on installation and 
licensing.

On a related note, was there ever a copy of dBase III or dBase IV for VAX/VMS?  
I know there was a version of Lotus 1-2-3.

Zane




Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-17 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:54 PM Jason T via cctalk
 wrote:
> I have a .tap image of WP 4.2 and 5.0 for VMS that I made from my own tape
> years ago. The image has been  successfully mounted but IIRC the software
> looks for a license key that I've never found. I do not believe it is a PAK
> as with other VMS packages.

I worked for a guy in 1988 that was a WP for VMS reseller.  I remember
one particular sale of 10-12 seat licenses for which the commission
made his entire year.  Unfortunately I have no information on how the
licensing worked.  There was, IIRC, a bit of paper in the box with the
key information on it but I have no idea how it worked.

-ethan


Re: WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-17 Thread Jason T via cctalk
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 21:50 Grant Taylor via cctalk 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This crossed my radar earlier today.  I figured that someone on the
> CCTalk mailing list might be interested in it.
>
> Link - Vintage 1995 Novell WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS TK50 Tape Digital
> DEC VAX
>   - https://www.ebay.com/itm/133114102939


I have a .tap image of WP 4.2 and 5.0 for VMS that I made from my own tape
years ago. The image has been  successfully mounted but IIRC the software
looks for a license key that I've never found. I do not believe it is a PAK
as with other VMS packages.  I can provide the image on request but I don't
want a post it publicly.

J


WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS

2019-07-17 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk

Hi,

This crossed my radar earlier today.  I figured that someone on the 
CCTalk mailing list might be interested in it.


Link - Vintage 1995 Novell WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS TK50 Tape Digital 
DEC VAX

 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/133114102939

Buy It Now for $49.95 ($14.95 S&H) or Make an Offer.



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