using cfx_image
I'm creating an image using cfx_image and letting the user preview what the image looks like. Then if they want to make changes, I have a form on the page which allows them to do this. My problem: When I show the user the image it causes a problem when I try to write to the image using cfx_image. I have tried writing it to a temp image, deleting the original and renaming the new, but it then has trouble deleting the old one. I think it's a similar problem to locking an Access DB. My question: Is there a way to make the server release the image? Thanks. Don Kiggins ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
(Admin) duplicates
Yes, its 5am and your getting an admin email. If you get this message more than once, please take all of the copies and send them to me with FULL headers so I can see what's wrong. Normally, when you get multiple copies its due to one of the following reasons: 1. You are subscribed with more than one address. This can include aliases, group accounts, forwarding addresses, etc. 2. You have a mail program filter rule for CF-Talk twice. This can duplicate the message. 3. The poster sent more than one email of the same type. 4. The list is messing up and sending you multiple copies. For all of those who email me, please include ALL of the email addresses and aliases you use and which one you want subscribed. Thank you. Michael Dinowitz Publisher: Fusion Authority weekly news alert (www.fusionauthority.com/alert) Listmaster: CF-Talk, CF-Jobs, Spectra-Talk, Jrun-Talk, etc. (www.houseoffusion.com) ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) duplicates
Michael, If I may interject, I think what *may* be happening is that folks who weren't monitoring the list over the wknd are now looking at their inboxes and after a 2-3-day absence are reacting accordingly... but the problem has already been solved. From what I've seen the problem continued to reoccur until you posted (Sunday?) that you'd finally nailed the Post.Office bug causing the problem. From that point forward my traffic has been entirely normal. Prior to that was a clear pattern that has since been broken. I think you can relax, based on what I'm seeing. Hope I haven't given you a bum steer. Cheers, --Matt-- - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, its 5am and your getting an admin email. snip snip ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Cf Integrated Mail Server
Wouldn't someone this size be a good candidate for a dedicated box or two where bandwidth was the issue, not user counts? Expensive up-front (as they have to buy software, like Imail etc.), but cheaper down the road, and sounds like they've stepped up to the big leagues and belong there, anyway. Just a thought, --Matt-- - Original Message - From: Chris Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Cf Integrated Mail Server I have a possible client whom will have nearly 5k registered users and would like to send out mass emails to these users. My current hosts has a limit of 2K emails. Can anyone recommend a solution or a company that would perhaps allow me to run a query off my database and send an email off their server? FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Protection of Data
Hello All, I have been set the task of providing the most secure method of record, storing and retrieving data from an e-commerce site built using Coldfusion. I've decided on the methods but would like some feedback as to whether I'm going the right direction, or I'm about to walk of a cliff. OK, so the customer has added the goods to the shopping cart and would now like to pay. The order form has a Secure Certificate and as such the data is encrypted between the browser and the server. Thawte currently provide 128-bit Supercerts (Strong), would this be required if we were taking credit card details? Or would the 56-bit (Medium) encryption be enough? I would like to store all the details in my database. Is SQL Server 7 secure enough to store this type of information or would PGP encryption be the way to go? I have looked at the cfx_pgp custom tag and the PGP E-Business Server, this is a very expensive option but is it the best or most practical? To keep us right a bare minimum would be the coldfusion encryption of the information before it is recorded to the database. At this stage the client would like to retrieve the data using a web based management facility. Again a secure certificate would be required, but is there a need to beef up the general admin login using the application page to verify if a user is logged in? If so what would you suggest? Any help on this matter would be appreciated. Regards David Armstrong. David Armstrong Web Applications Developer biznet MAKE IT HAPPEN Head Office 133-137 Lisburn Road, Belfast Northern Ireland BT9 7AG T +44 (0) 28 9022 3224 F +44 (0) 28 9022 3223 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W biznet-solutions.com Disclaimer: If you are not the intended recipient, or person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorized to and must not disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message or any part of it. The opinions / views / comments on this e-mail do not necessarily reflect any views or policies of biznet. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. biznet accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. biznet 2001. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: CFContent and Excel
You could generate your format in HTML and then grab that source and push that into a Excel file. Excel will keep the table cell widths and fonts from the HTML. - Original Message - From: Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:17 AM Subject: CFContent and Excel Hi all, I'm trying to create an Excel file on the fly. I can generate the file no problem, but it needs to have certain column widths etc in order for it to display properly (it's for embedding in a Word doc). Do I have any control over column widths, fonts etc? Thanks, K. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OT: CF hosting in NZ and Canada
Thanks Peter. Looks pretty good. - Original Message - From: Peter Mott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: cf-talk Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: Re: OT: CF hosting in NZ and Canada At 10/09/2001 08:13, you wrote: Hi, I'm looking into hosting for 2 companies in NZ and Canada. Are there any New Zealanders on this list, and can they recommend a well-establised and well connected hosting company that supports CF? www.2day.com is your best choice for CF hosting in New Zealand - PWM Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something! Thomas A. Edison ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Sample Imail External Database
Ipswitch has a pretty good knowledge base on thier website. That's the first/best place to look. As Robert Everland said, Imail builds the tables. You just have to point to a database. If you're looking for information on the database structure, create a dummy domain with a few dummy users. You'll then have all the info on the database structure. I can't remember what it looks like, but there are only 10-12 columns there. BTW, last I checked, IPswitch didn't have a utility to change a version using the registry (or whatever it uses for user storage by default) to an external database. That was a while ago, so you'll probably want to check to see if such a monster was made. In the older versions of Imail (around v3-4), user information was poorly encrypted in the registry. It wasn't too tough to write a script to transfer the information to an external database (I did it with ColdFusion :). My experience might be outdated for this version, but I threw it out just in case. Regards, Eric Carlisle -Original Message- From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Sample Imail External Database Where can I get more info on Imail please? At 03:17 PM 10/09/01 -0400, you wrote: Imail will automatically make the database up for you once you set up a database, and ODBC driver. All you have to do is point imail to it and it creates it for you. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Sample Imail External Database I have Imail 6 running on a server, and want to switch to an External Access database for user registration. I actually want to add fields to this database that I would write to using CF and hten pass the standard paramaters to the Imail CGI script using CFHTTPPARAM and CFHTTP. However, I can't find a sample of the data structure that Imail expects for this external database. I'm in the process of going through the Imail knowledge base to try to find the info, but have any of you done this before, and have a sample database with the expected data structure, or know where I could find one? Will doing registration using CFHTTPPARAM work with the Imail .cgi scripts? -Gel ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Duplicate and StructCopy
That makes a lot more sense than the jumble I wrote. Thanks for the clarification Dave and Craig. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Duplicate and StructCopy They are not the same. If you have a structure of structures StructCopy() will only make a copy of the first dimension of the structure. All subsequent deminsions will still be pointers. With duplicate you get a deep copy meaning all deminison are full copies (not pointers). HTH Craig Fisher Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: RE: Duplicate and StructCopy Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:09:16 -0500 Are these two the same? If not, what is the difference between them? Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group Sr. Systems Analyst NCCIM/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Problem with ListAppend
Hi, I am getting an error when using ListAppend function. Can anybody see whats wrong with this code? I cannot figure out what the problem is. cfif cgi.http_referer CONTAINS Corex1 cfparam name=mychanges default= cfif isDefined(Form.Programme_name) AND GetContent.Programme_name NEQ #Form.Programme_Name# cfset mychanges = ListAppend(mychanges,'General Details - Programme Name') /cfif The error that is occurring is as follows: ODBC Error Code = 37000 (Syntax error or access violation) [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]Line 1: Incorrect syntax near ','. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFQUERY), occupying document position (20:1) to (20:70). The error happens when I try to set the variable. Any ideas? Thanks for your help, Regards, ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
NYCFUG meeting Canceled Due to Terrorist Attack
To all of our members, and to all CF'ers, we hope you are okay and safe in this terrible time. Because of these horrendous events (may the perpetrators be punished and no more innocents die) we will be canceling tonight's NYCFUG meeting. Michael is setting up the House of Fusion front page both to have news and for people to say where they are and what they're doing, and if they're okay. THis is not just for the ColdFusion community, but for Malibu, a community of science fiction writers and editors I am part of. I hope and pray that all of you are safe and sound. Judith Dinowitz Co-Manager NYCFUG ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: NYCFUG meeting Canceled Due to Terrorist Attack
At 11:24 AM 9/11/01 -0400, you wrote: To all of our members, and to all CF'ers, we hope you are okay and safe in this terrible time. My heart and prayers go out to all members of the list that are in the area or may have family in the area. May God protect you and hold you in the hollow of His hand. John ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Cf Integrated Mail Server
IMHO, 5000 email isn't that high of a load. CFMAIL should be able to handle it, though it will take roughly 20 minutes to spool the mail off the CF server. you say your ISP limits you to 2K emails? How? On the SMTP server? Simply use a different SMTP server, or split the load over a couple or three SMTP servers. Also, IIS comes with a free SMTP mailserver you can fire up if you need it. -Cameron Cameron Childress elliptIQ Inc. p.770.460.1035.232 f.770.460.0963 -- http://www.neighborware.com America's Leading Community Network Software -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Cf Integrated Mail Server Wouldn't someone this size be a good candidate for a dedicated box or two where bandwidth was the issue, not user counts? Expensive up-front (as they have to buy software, like Imail etc.), but cheaper down the road, and sounds like they've stepped up to the big leagues and belong there, anyway. Just a thought, --Matt-- - Original Message - From: Chris Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Cf Integrated Mail Server I have a possible client whom will have nearly 5k registered users and would like to send out mass emails to these users. My current hosts has a limit of 2K emails. Can anyone recommend a solution or a company that would perhaps allow me to run a query off my database and send an email off their server? FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Ohio Area CF User Group: No Meeting Tonight
Due to the circumstances surrounding today's events, tonight's OACFUG meeting has been cancelled. Our next meeting is scheduled for October 9, 2001. -Angelo FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Terrorism
Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. _ Matt Brown Community Manager Macromedia (650) 481-4525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Register now for Macromedia DevCon 2001! Visit for more information and to register http://www.macromedia.com/go/devcon. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
FW: DFWCFUG meeting cancelled
-Original Message- From: Dave Cahall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?curmbox=F997134892a= d8a67220b6ffc3a1ce36a7969c9ee2d8mailto=1[EMAIL PROTECTED]msg=M SG1000221152.28start=732386len=3146src=type=x ] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:43 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?curmbox=F997134892a= d8a67220b6ffc3a1ce36a7969c9ee2d8mailto=1[EMAIL PROTECTED]msg=MSG100 0221152.28start=732386len=3146src=type=x ' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/compose?curmbox=F997134892a= d8a67220b6ffc3a1ce36a7969c9ee2d8mailto=1[EMAIL PROTECTED]msg=M SG1000221152.28start=732386len=3146src=type=x ' Subject: Meeting Cancellation Given the chaos and severity of today's events, Patrick and I have made an executive decision to cancel tonight's ColdFusion User Group meeting. We will work to reschedule the presentations that were scheduled for tonight. We hope that you will all understand this situation and support our decision. Dave Cahall Vice President, Professional Services Digitaris Technologies, Inc. Office: 972.690.4131 ext 116 Mobil: 214.914.9947 ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
cfhhtp and https connections.
I need to pass value pairs to a secure server and read the response. However, Cfhttp will not work for https connections. The work around seems to be to not run CF as a service. How has anyone handled this and come up with a sensible solution. We pass around 10 name=value pairs and have to read the response of about 6 value=name pairs. Any suggestions and help much appreciated. CF 4.01 IIS4 SP6a Thanks Gordon ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Crystal Reports (ver) support in CF5
Does anyone know which specific version of Crystal Reports is supported by CF5? Is it ver. 8 or ver. 8.5 ?? TNX if anyone knows. Richard Colman ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Amen - Original Message - From: Scott Van Vliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: cfhttp and https connections.
I need to pass value pairs to a secure server and read the response. However, Cfhttp will not work for https connections. The work around seems to be to not run CF as a service. How has anyone handled this and come up with a sensible solution. We pass around 10 name=value pairs and have to read the response of about 6 value=name pairs. Any suggestions and help much appreciated. CF 4.01 IIS4 SP6a The only workaround for this problem with CFHTTP in CF 4.0x is to use a replacement for CFHTTP. There are several components available that you can use for this, such as Mabry's HTTP/X: http://www.mabry.com/httpx/index.htm You can use various COM objects or Java classes. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: cfhhtp and https connections.
i've never had a problem running CFHTTP for HTTPS. are you specifying PORT=443 in the CFHTTP tag? christopher olive, cio cresco technologies, inc http://www.crescotech.com -Original Message- From: Gordon Burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: cfhhtp and https connections. I need to pass value pairs to a secure server and read the response. However, Cfhttp will not work for https connections. The work around seems to be to not run CF as a service. How has anyone handled this and come up with a sensible solution. We pass around 10 name=value pairs and have to read the response of about 6 value=name pairs. Any suggestions and help much appreciated. CF 4.01 IIS4 SP6a Thanks Gordon ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Complicated mail/DB problem
Hi. Before I ask my question, I'd like to offer my sincerest condolences to America, to the lost and anyone else affected by today's unbelievable events. I was fortunate, or unfortunate enough to watch it live on TV - how lucky I/we are that we can be so detached from such devastation. God's speed to all. I have a complicated mail and DB question. On one of my sites, there are a fair amount of Email Notification things going on with CFMail. For instance, a user might asked to be notified of 3 or 4 things and will receive 4 seperate emails as and when an even occurs. What I want to do is instead of triggering cfmail each time, and sending hundreds of emails, insert the data into the Database and run CFSchedule periodically to send the emails. So let's say cfschedule runs a script every 30 minutes. The script finds 50 records, 30 of which are distinct email addresses - cfmail sends them all out, and a MailSent Yes/No field is set to Yes. The other 20 records/emails are destined for 5 people - 4 emails each. What I need to do is loop through them, checking the mailtype field, collating *one* email for each 5 people. Let's say [EMAIL PROTECTED] has 4 emails in the Database that are about to be sent. One contains information on the number of hits his banner has had today; the 2nd informs him of updated info in the news section. The 3rd details an Advert he has that is expiring in a days time, and the 4th shows site-stats. Each of these emails or records in the DB will have a unique MailType field. What I'd then need to do is create one email to send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but which contains all 4 records. Can anyone advise how I'd go about this? Currently my Table in the DB (called MailSpool) is as follows: mailID mailTo mailFrom mailSubject mailBody mailSent (YesNo) mailDate (Time/date field) mailType Any advice or tips would be appreciated. Will ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Complicated mail/DB problem
why couldn't you just read SELECT all the emails that have not been sent for that user , elegantly concatenate the bodies, and just let it rip? W Luke [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/11/2001 11:58:59 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Complicated mail/DB problem Hi. Before I ask my question, I'd like to offer my sincerest condolences to America, to the lost and anyone else affected by today's unbelievable events. I was fortunate, or unfortunate enough to watch it live on TV - how lucky I/we are that we can be so detached from such devastation. God's speed to all. I have a complicated mail and DB question. On one of my sites, there are a fair amount of Email Notification things going on with CFMail. For instance, a user might asked to be notified of 3 or 4 things and will receive 4 seperate emails as and when an even occurs. What I want to do is instead of triggering cfmail each time, and sending hundreds of emails, insert the data into the Database and run CFSchedule periodically to send the emails. So let's say cfschedule runs a script every 30 minutes. The script finds 50 records, 30 of which are distinct email addresses - cfmail sends them all out, and a MailSent Yes/No field is set to Yes. The other 20 records/emails are destined for 5 people - 4 emails each. What I need to do is loop through them, checking the mailtype field, collating *one* email for each 5 people. Let's say [EMAIL PROTECTED] has 4 emails in the Database that are about to be sent. One contains information on the number of hits his banner has had today; the 2nd informs him of updated info in the news section. The 3rd details an Advert he has that is expiring in a days time, and the 4th shows site-stats. Each of these emails or records in the DB will have a unique MailType field. What I'd then need to do is create one email to send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but which contains all 4 records. Can anyone advise how I'd go about this? Currently my Table in the DB (called MailSpool) is as follows: mailID mailTo mailFrom mailSubject mailBody mailSent (YesNo) mailDate (Time/date field) mailType Any advice or tips would be appreciated. Will ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck. - Lee -Original Message- From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Amen we all believe in same god. - Original Message - From: admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism Amen - Original Message - From: Scott Van Vliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck. - Lee -Original Message- From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Complicated mail/DB problem
why couldn't you just read SELECT all the emails that have not been sent for that user , elegantly concatenate the bodies, and just let it rip? How can I differentiate between users who only appear once in the DB, and users who have 4 or 5 emails that need to be bunched up into one - that's what I don't know how to do. If you could give me an idea of the query that would be really helpful. Will ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment towards it abroad. I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are military. One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just rumor, but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on the news yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's suspected that that plane was targetting the White House. This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the victims of the heinous act. Kevin Langevin Web Guy in Charge UsWebGuys 954-327-5780 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck. - Lee -Original Message- From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Yes, saw that. The perception of American due in part to Israel are less than optimal. Not that we wouldn't be joking if the Palestinian state disolved. don't let the emotions get the best of you. the sun will come up tomorrow. we will find out who is responsible. people want coverage. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: John Paitel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:56:10 -0700 Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck. - Lee -Original Message- From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
attacks
has anyone noted that this represents a great number of air related incidents arond DC.. DC where there is a no fly zone.. and where surface to sky ad portable missiles are available for such stuff?? The FAA needs to track more and better... inter and intra departmental communications needs improved. Boston Airport needs closed for a month and everyone fired. People need to be held accountable. We need dedicated people and more communications. All of this could have been minimized. I wish everyone the best in their quest to find loved ones today. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? What purpose do comments like this serve? the Palestinians Nice generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about this tragedy. Congrats on fanning the flames. That's exactly what people need right now... ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Palestinians dancing in the streets? Yes, very sick. but remember, to them, we are terrorists too =) From: Kevin Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Terrorism Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment towards it abroad. I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are military. One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just rumor, but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on the news yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's suspected that that plane was targetting the White House. This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the victims of the heinous act. Kevin Langevin Web Guy in Charge UsWebGuys 954-327-5780 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck. - Lee -Original Message- From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Easily manipulated masses of uneducated sheep, who's leaders will lead them to slaughter. Do not forget that the 'Palestinian' people, and I use that phrase loosely, do not have the advantages of a democratic government. I do not blame them, I blame the leadership or lack of. But lets not make this forum politically charged. -alex -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck. - Lee -Original Message- From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they picked a good place to put it down... FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in the ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could have happened... unlikely though.. doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of their citizens. I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if there is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far greater than dying due to violence. we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or a larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment towards it abroad. I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are military. One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just rumor, but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on the news yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's suspected that that plane was targetting the White House. This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the victims of the heinous act. Kevin Langevin Web Guy in Charge UsWebGuys 954-327-5780 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck. - Lee -Original Message- From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
complicated mail problem
sorry i got delete happy and removed your last question. all i remember was...how do i differentiate[rest of message lost in space]? sorry. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
come on, anyone with a brain and have been following news in the middle east knows who we are talking about. picky picky From: Noel Flatters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Terrorism Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:10:55 -0400 Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? What purpose do comments like this serve? the Palestinians Nice generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about this tragedy. Congrats on fanning the flames. That's exactly what people need right now... ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
What purpose do comments like this serve? the Palestinians Nice generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about this tragedy. Hey, sorry if you take offense. The direct quotes from CNN, MSNBC and others were Palestinians are in the streets, dancing and shouting 'God is good', in celebration over the attacks on the US today. Women are throwing candy in the air, giving it to passerby. Men are leading children in celebratory chants and dances. I realize that not all Palestinians feel this way, and that a lot of it is the perception of the US in relation to the Gaza strip and the perception that we intercede on the behalf of the Israelis. I guess I should have better said Groups of Palestinians? John ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: attacks
All I want to point out is that Israel has been living this nightmare for a long time. Israel is the USA's greatest ally in this horrible time. I have many friends in the IDF (Israel Defense Force) and they all know that the USA is nowhere near prepared for this type of conflict. Additionally, EL AL - the national airline of Israel, is protected like gold. Protected better then a fathers daughter. We have all flown domestically and we know the total lack of security. God have mercy on those that attack the freedom and democracy of the world. By the way, I live in Manhattan and have friends who live and work in the downtown area. -alex -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: attacks has anyone noted that this represents a great number of air related incidents arond DC.. DC where there is a no fly zone.. and where surface to sky ad portable missiles are available for such stuff?? The FAA needs to track more and better... inter and intra departmental communications needs improved. Boston Airport needs closed for a month and everyone fired. People need to be held accountable. We need dedicated people and more communications. All of this could have been minimized. I wish everyone the best in their quest to find loved ones today. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
I think God was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: attacks
It is reckless to start pointing blame while the dust hasn't even settled on the rubble. This might be the act of war of a group of religious zealots, or a disaffected group of some country somewhere but it might also be the act of some cowardly madmen in the USA. Remember that the early blame for the bombing in Oklahoma was pointed at the middle east but it turned out to be an American who did it. We don't know whether the pilots of the aircraft reported emergencies and the need to divert to NY or not, and therefore whether the air traffic controllers had any reason to be suspicious. And even if they were, we don't know what happened when they reported their suspicions.. There is a lot we don't know. But the details will all eventually come out.Paris, you're already blaming the Logan Airport staff, and you're prepared to punish the whole city of Boston by closing its airport for a month. You don't know who's done their jobs and who hasn't. No one knows who's responsible for this, and until they are hunted down it is tasteless and futile to apportion blame. I cannot begin to imagine the immense size of the resources that are being mobilised to hunt down the perpetrators, and I have absolutely no doubt that whoever organised this will be found. And the repercussions for whoever that is will be severe. Let me also say that if it eventually turns out that the Taliban in Afghanistan finds life difficult after this, I'll hardly be dismayed. In fact I'll break out a bottle of champagne and celebrate. But I really think there ought to be some evidence gathered before anyone starts pointing the finger of blame, don't you? But our prayers are with the victims and their families and those who are close to them. A great many people have died who had absolutely nothing whatever to do with whatever motivated those attacks. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: attacks has anyone noted that this represents a great number of air related incidents arond DC.. DC where there is a no fly zone.. and where surface to sky ad portable missiles are available for such stuff?? The FAA needs to track more and better... inter and intra departmental communications needs improved. Boston Airport needs closed for a month and everyone fired. People need to be held accountable. We need dedicated people and more communications. All of this could have been minimized. I wish everyone the best in their quest to find loved ones today. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Phoenix CFUG Meeting Cancelled
In light of today's events, the September meeting of the Phoenix CFUG has been cancelled. UACT will be closing their campus at 5:00 this evening. We are still planning on our October meeting. Our thoughts and prayers go out to anyone who has family or friends affected by these blatant acts of terrorism. Jeff Garza Lead Developer/Webmaster Spectrum Astro, Inc. 480.892.8200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.spectrumastro.com http://www.spectrumastro.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Oh I see NOEL ... Our country ... AMERICA gets its ass blown to shit today . 1,000's of lives are wasted and you wanna get hung up on political correctness? Its the panzy ass political correctness bullshit like your drivel below that has gotten our country into its slack ass state of disrepair and de-sensitization. This is still AMERICA [God Bless It], and if some american wants to go off on a generalization tangent TODAY about Palastinians [i dont freakin care how its spelled today - blow it out your asses] - who are reveling at our tragedy - So Be it. Last I looked . Americans werent throwing a parade when a bunch of civilians and women, children got wasted. Last I checked US didnt waste anyone without warning or especially declaring WAR on their sorry hides. Generalize this .. SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE! You were right about one thing - Way to fan the flames... It is EXACTLY what this country needs a long time ago - How much more of this shit are we going to take from these POS's before something meaningful to end it happens. They will never be happy till we're all DEAD ... dying some heinous, tortuous death. Nothing the US can ever do will change their minds. So who gives a shit about the people responsible's feelings. Wonder what you'd be saying if your mom, sister or brother dad etc were on one of those planes or in those buildings? Steve Aylor - Original Message - From: Noel Flatters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? What purpose do comments like this serve? the Palestinians Nice generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about this tragedy. Congrats on fanning the flames. That's exactly what people need right now... ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
I suppose you're not fanning anything? - Original Message - From: Noel Flatters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? What purpose do comments like this serve? the Palestinians Nice generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about this tragedy. Congrats on fanning the flames. That's exactly what people need right now... ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on board. No offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to voice my political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives to save many thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they picked a good place to put it down... FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in the ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could have happened... unlikely though.. doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of their citizens. I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if there is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far greater than dying due to violence. we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or a larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment towards it abroad. I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are military. One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just rumor, but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on the news yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's suspected that that plane was targetting the White House. This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the victims of the heinous act. Kevin Langevin Web Guy in Charge UsWebGuys 954-327-5780 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck. - Lee -Original Message- From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
No, you said it right. Some people need to realize what is happeneing in the world and think before they comment (not you John). -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism What purpose do comments like this serve? the Palestinians Nice generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about this tragedy. Hey, sorry if you take offense. The direct quotes from CNN, MSNBC and others were Palestinians are in the streets, dancing and shouting 'God is good', in celebration over the attacks on the US today. Women are throwing candy in the air, giving it to passerby. Men are leading children in celebratory chants and dances. I realize that not all Palestinians feel this way, and that a lot of it is the perception of the US in relation to the Gaza strip and the perception that we intercede on the behalf of the Israelis. I guess I should have better said Groups of Palestinians? John ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Certainly someone or a larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. I'm certainly comforted to know someone here on the CF-Talk list knows how to stop a kamikaze terrorist with a death wish in control of an airliner. Have you passed your advice along to the Feds yet? :) Ken ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but have to ask..., what is that supposed to mean? Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Terrorism I think God was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
For sure, and I know that's what you meant. It just that I look around at some of my co-workers and see them worrying about becoming targets of unthinking retaliation, and I get worried about people making sweeping statements over the next hours/days that could help create an atmosphere of vigilantilism. Sorry if that email came across harsher than it was meant to be. Stressfull times all over... In response to Koo Pai Lao, yes it sounds picky, picky. But anyone with a brain should realise that retaliation/vigilantism isn't such a far-fetched idea in times like this, and it's important to not target groups of people who aren't individually responsible. That being said, I'll definetly try to practice what I preach and think before I make harsh responses in difficult times. -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism What purpose do comments like this serve? the Palestinians Nice generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about this tragedy. Hey, sorry if you take offense. The direct quotes from CNN, MSNBC and others were Palestinians are in the streets, dancing and shouting 'God is good', in celebration over the attacks on the US today. Women are throwing candy in the air, giving it to passerby. Men are leading children in celebratory chants and dances. I realize that not all Palestinians feel this way, and that a lot of it is the perception of the US in relation to the Gaza strip and the perception that we intercede on the behalf of the Israelis. I guess I should have better said Groups of Palestinians? John ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
This was a terrible tragedy and we should not lose site of that. We should not be jumping the gun to blame anyone. The poster was simply saying what a group of people were doing. He could have easily have posted a different news report. Please do not attack each other over this. Whoever is responsible will be found and we will nail their remains to the rubble of the twin towers. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
WTG...Bravo...I concur -Original Message- From: Steve Aylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Terrorism Oh I see NOEL ... Our country ... AMERICA gets its ass blown to shit today . 1,000's of lives are wasted and you wanna get hung up on political correctness? Its the panzy ass political correctness bullshit like your drivel below that has gotten our country into its slack ass state of disrepair and de-sensitization. This is still AMERICA [God Bless It], and if some american wants to go off on a generalization tangent TODAY about Palastinians [i dont freakin care how its spelled today - blow it out your asses] - who are reveling at our tragedy - So Be it. Last I looked . Americans werent throwing a parade when a bunch of civilians and women, children got wasted. Last I checked US didnt waste anyone without warning or especially declaring WAR on their sorry hides. Generalize this .. SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE! You were right about one thing - Way to fan the flames... It is EXACTLY what this country needs a long time ago - How much more of this shit are we going to take from these POS's before something meaningful to end it happens. They will never be happy till we're all DEAD ... dying some heinous, tortuous death. Nothing the US can ever do will change their minds. So who gives a shit about the people responsible's feelings. Wonder what you'd be saying if your mom, sister or brother dad etc were on one of those planes or in those buildings? Steve Aylor - Original Message - From: Noel Flatters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? What purpose do comments like this serve? the Palestinians Nice generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about this tragedy. Congrats on fanning the flames. That's exactly what people need right now... ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: attacks
Yeah I agree to blame is not good. but not a speck of dust or a fingerprint should be removed from Boston's airport. Whatever transpired no matter how well it was orchastrated could have been minimized. It isn't good to feel helpless. Nor is it good to see all the racism and group hatred. I went over to Yahoo and they have over 7400 messages so far on it... littered with pure hatred. Heck I like humans most of the time. It is good to agree that we all have differences. If we as a country don't sit down, and build communities and dearly care about each other far worse will happen. We are careless and consuming as a generalized mass. Main street is now a Walmart. Our airports are becoming rummaging zone to lose privact. Seniors are scared to walk the street, etc. THis incident should bring us to light and the issues of establishing good bonds, of interevention, awareness and pride in your job and job product.. whatever you may be doing. Certainly we need to upgrade our aviation infrastructure... both planes and monitoring gear. I don't know who did this mess. I hope they quit it this. We need to work to resolve. Being stern, but aware. IN closing, not to take our rights. NOt to care less, but to care more. To work towards listening to even these radical types that do such bad things. We must learn why and work to prevent the actions of the thoughts. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:29:46 +1000 Subject: RE: attacks It is reckless to start pointing blame while the dust hasn't even settled on the rubble. This might be the act of war of a group of religious zealots, or a disaffected group of some country somewhere but it might also be the act of some cowardly madmen in the USA. Remember that the early blame for the bombing in Oklahoma was pointed at the middle east but it turned out to be an American who did it. We don't know whether the pilots of the aircraft reported emergencies and the need to divert to NY or not, and therefore whether the air traffic controllers had any reason to be suspicious. And even if they were, we don't know what happened when they reported their suspicions.. There is a lot we don't know. But the details will all eventually come out. Paris, you're already blaming the Logan Airport staff, and you're prepared to punish the whole city of Boston by closing its airport for a month. You don't know who's done their jobs and who hasn't. No one knows who's responsible for this, and until they are hunted down it is tasteless and futile to apportion blame. I cannot begin to imagine the immense size of the resources that are being mobilised to hunt down the perpetrators, and I have absolutely no doubt that whoever organised this will be found. And the repercussions for whoever that is will be severe. Let me also say that if it eventually turns out that the Taliban in Afghanistan finds life difficult after this, I'll hardly be dismayed. In fact I'll break out a bottle of champagne and celebrate. But I really think there ought to be some evidence gathered before anyone starts pointing the finger of blame, don't you? But our prayers are with the victims and their families and those who are close to them. A great many people have died who had absolutely nothing whatever to do with whatever motivated those attacks. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: attacks has anyone noted that this represents a great number of air related incidents arond DC.. DC where there is a no fly zone.. and where surface to sky ad portable missiles are available for such stuff?? The FAA needs to track more and better... inter and intra departmental communications needs improved. Boston Airport needs closed for a month and everyone fired. People need to be held accountable. We need dedicated people and more communications. All of this could have been minimized. I wish everyone the best in their quest to find loved ones today. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Stop this now, please. dont let it get out of hand contemplate exactly what has happened. People have opinions, and unfortunately we have to accept them no matter what. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
What alot of people on other lists that I belong are saying is that our belief in God and our faith in an unseeable bieng is ludicrus and is whats causing all this pain. I do not agree with this, but people can believe what they want. -- Original Message -- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:47:16 -0500 i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but have to ask..., what is that supposed to mean? Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Terrorism I think God was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: attacks
I think this is an excellent point. We Americans have long taken our security for granted. It is a very sad day indeed that we now have this wake-up call which forces us to think about how vulnerable we can be. In the process of doing this, I simply ask (since I have seen hints of this in a couple postings now) that we focus on those who have lost their lives and the family members who have been left behind. Do not start thinking about those who may have failed at their job just yet. As someone who worked at the CIA for over six years and who worked on the Bin Ladin topic for more than half of that time, I can personally attest that the American public has no idea, no idea of the amount of effort that goes into combatting terrorism. Please just trust me when I tell you that you do not know of all the times the Intelligence Community has saved lives both here and overseas. Please just trust me when I tell you that you have celebrated holidays in peace, thanks to a few select people. Many attacks have been stopped that you don't know that, that you will never about. Unfortunately, this one is not one of them. And that is very sad. But that doesn't necessarily mean that someone did not do his/her job. Despite the size of the UBL and other terrorist groups, within many of them only a very, very small number of individuals are privy to the intricacies of the terrorist plots. Oftentimes, the suicide bombers and other such grunt people do not even know what is happening until moments before. It is impossible for the American or any other government to know everything that is going to happen. It is impossible for the FAA and airport officials to catch everything. I have traveled to Israel and have flown into and out of Tel Aviv. It took me nearly three hours to get out of that airport. And that was with a diplomatic passport. It takes the average traveler 5-6 hours just to get out of that country. Would you really want that happening here? Would you really be a happy person each time you were subject to that in the United States? My guess is no. Would the American public be content with hiring hundreds or thousands of more government employees to work on this topic? Again, my thought would be no. As a former government worker, I heard all the disparaging thoughts the non-government workers had for us. Whenever non-essential employees are sent home for bad weather or fiscal problems, people often snort and say Aren't they all non-essential? It's oftentimes only in times like this when we think we should be doing more. Everything is a trade-off. We can't do it all. Furthermore, I have personally seen the hate of the terrorist mindset up close and it is a very disturbing image. How can we every day combat such powerfully emotional rage successfully? I hope I did not rile anyone's feathers, that was not my intent. I am simply hoping to keep everyone focused on what really matters right now -- the victims and their families/friends. Wait until more facts roll in before pointing fingers. Thanks. Kamie Sicular, Alexander wrote: All I want to point out is that Israel has been living this nightmare for a long time. Israel is the USA's greatest ally in this horrible time. I have many friends in the IDF (Israel Defense Force) and they all know that the USA is nowhere near prepared for this type of conflict. Additionally, EL AL - the national airline of Israel, is protected like gold. Protected better then a fathers daughter. We have all flown domestically and we know the total lack of security. God have mercy on those that attack the freedom and democracy of the world. By the way, I live in Manhattan and have friends who live and work in the downtown area. -alex -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: attacks has anyone noted that this represents a great number of air related incidents arond DC.. DC where there is a no fly zone.. and where surface to sky ad portable missiles are available for such stuff?? The FAA needs to track more and better... inter and intra departmental communications needs improved. Boston Airport needs closed for a month and everyone fired. People need to be held accountable. We need dedicated people and more communications. All of this could have been minimized. I wish everyone the best in their quest to find loved ones today. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Yes in part Brian I agree. The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer in such situations is what are the targets, what is in the proximity... what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the hijackers on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a mission and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we know the aircraft was hijacked... Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of needs... Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call today. Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. -paris [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 Subject: RE: Terrorism I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on board. No offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to voice my political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives to save many thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they picked a good place to put it down... FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in the ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could have happened... unlikely though.. doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of their citizens. I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if there is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far greater than dying due to violence. we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or a larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment towards it abroad. I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are military. One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just rumor, but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on the news yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's suspected that that plane was targetting the White House. This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the victims of the heinous act. Kevin Langevin Web Guy in Charge UsWebGuys 954-327-5780 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck. - Lee -Original Message- From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones.
Re: Terrorism
right ... and I just voiced mine! Fed Up, Steve Aylor - Original Message - From: Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism Stop this now, please. dont let it get out of hand contemplate exactly what has happened. People have opinions, and unfortunately we have to accept them no matter what. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
right on.. We can't say hey you are a Muslim or a Jew or White or Christian. These generalized groups aren't the problem. Specific fundamentalist sects are the problem... Hey we haven't identified who did it yet.. so the invisible chicken asses, no matter white, red, blue, green, hindu, slovak, russian, japanese or South Dakotan need to take note: you can't blow people up. you can't hijack stuff. you can't hide. you will be apprehended. In all of this, realize the enemies are here as well as elsewhere. You are sitting among racists and vigilanty types. As commoners, as citizens we need to think about the unity factor. Screw last week, last year, 400 hundred years ago. We are here today. we have an issue, we have mechanisms and systems. lets see them do their job... the intelligence community and terrorism arms need to really get with it... obviously no one thought about a second plane .. and yeah how about tomorrow... and strategically, how about ground level terrorism now... how about electric grid infrastucture, highways, tunnels, etc. sure everyone now is thinking.. hours too late... proactive not reactive. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Noel Flatters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:49:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism For sure, and I know that's what you meant. It just that I look around at some of my co-workers and see them worrying about becoming targets of unthinking retaliation, and I get worried about people making sweeping statements over the next hours/days that could help create an atmosphere of vigilantilism. Sorry if that email came across harsher than it was meant to be. Stressfull times all over... In response to Koo Pai Lao, yes it sounds picky, picky. But anyone with a brain should realise that retaliation/vigilantism isn't such a far-fetched idea in times like this, and it's important to not target groups of people who aren't individually responsible. That being said, I'll definetly try to practice what I preach and think before I make harsh responses in difficult times. -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism What purpose do comments like this serve? the Palestinians Nice generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about this tragedy. Hey, sorry if you take offense. The direct quotes from CNN, MSNBC and others were Palestinians are in the streets, dancing and shouting 'God is good', in celebration over the attacks on the US today. Women are throwing candy in the air, giving it to passerby. Men are leading children in celebratory chants and dances. I realize that not all Palestinians feel this way, and that a lot of it is the perception of the US in relation to the Gaza strip and the perception that we intercede on the behalf of the Israelis. I guess I should have better said Groups of Palestinians? John ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
No I don't. I don't have to accept anything from anybody. I feel sorry for people who feel that they have to accept other peoples opinions. I believe in standing up for myself and what I believe in and not kow towing to other people. that's weak - Original Message - From: Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism Stop this now, please. dont let it get out of hand contemplate exactly what has happened. People have opinions, and unfortunately we have to accept them no matter what. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
I believe the larger ongoing conflicts are religion based. so to close with god and religion references is a bad omen of sorts... is it this god or mine and what do you know about god sort of conflict... the neutral genderless equal thing or PC for those types out there would be to identify that we wish everyone safety of self and family in this tie of conflict or loss. we should encourage people through our ethics and morality as opposed to the religious approach... I know it sounds dumb. I sat with a large group of about 300 young minded people just last night talking about Ethics... and yes indeed, those with Ethics tended to draw it from religious doctrine and speak in religious terms... It certainly drew lines in the sand... Me aethiest to a fault, sitting with a Catholic priest, next to a Jewish friend. Learn to be selfless I said. To listen.. To be slow to move.. Sometime wrong, but humbled to admit error and pay the dues. agree to disagree. draw lines on issues when needed.. Make borders to insulate and preserve the purity, if needed. I will post the Yahoo message thread URL... over 7k messages, mostly of hatred and faceless cowardess in response. Let's not become like that. I hope dearly, racism and vigilantism doesn't rear its ugly head. May all of us of the AMerican mind set no matter what doctrine or skin color live together in peace. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Clint Tredway [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:10:59 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism What alot of people on other lists that I belong are saying is that our belief in God and our faith in an unseeable bieng is ludicrus and is whats causing all this pain. I do not agree with this, but people can believe what they want. -- Original Message -- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:47:16 -0500 i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but have to ask..., what is that supposed to mean? Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Terrorism I think God was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
No I haven't :) but it appears we have 4 airliners laying in pieces.. it seems Boston had a big hole to allow a good mass of evil doers through :( It also appears that FBI was investigating prior to the incidents... it also seems that communication to the airlines was somewhat lacking.. it also appears that no one calculated the next hit to the towers.. Heck, how many other people were sitting on other planes who were to do the same thing if something went afoul. We are chasing ghosts now. We have human parts so small they are likely unidentifiable. Clearly, accountability in these times is lacking. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Ken Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:46:45 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism Certainly someone or a larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. I'm certainly comforted to know someone here on the CF-Talk list knows how to stop a kamikaze terrorist with a death wish in control of an airliner. Have you passed your advice along to the Feds yet? :) Ken ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
My heart go out to any of those in this community ... or everyone who have loved ones involved in this tragedy. Let's take a short moment of silence in honor of the victims of this horrific event. Bill In a message dated 9/11/01 3:31:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call today. Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. -paris ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Terrorist and gas shortage
I live in the Midwest and _every_one_ is freaking out. There are gas lines out into the streets because people think the government is going to shut down the pipe lines or that the terrorist are going to blow them up! It's bad enough the gas stations jacked the gas prices up 20 cents because of it. I am waiting for them to start a run on the grocery stores. Is anyone else seeing this kind of behavior? I refuse to give in to it but who knows I guess they could be right. Phillip ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Learn to be selfless I said. Are you kidding? It's selfless zealots who commit these acts. These people who have absolutely no value for their own lives or families, and give up all for the sake of the 'cause'. Self-interest is what keeps us safe. -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism I believe the larger ongoing conflicts are religion based. so to close with god and religion references is a bad omen of sorts... is it this god or mine and what do you know about god sort of conflict... the neutral genderless equal thing or PC for those types out there would be to identify that we wish everyone safety of self and family in this tie of conflict or loss. we should encourage people through our ethics and morality as opposed to the religious approach... I know it sounds dumb. I sat with a large group of about 300 young minded people just last night talking about Ethics... and yes indeed, those with Ethics tended to draw it from religious doctrine and speak in religious terms... It certainly drew lines in the sand... Me aethiest to a fault, sitting with a Catholic priest, next to a Jewish friend. Learn to be selfless I said. To listen.. To be slow to move.. Sometime wrong, but humbled to admit error and pay the dues. agree to disagree. draw lines on issues when needed.. Make borders to insulate and preserve the purity, if needed. I will post the Yahoo message thread URL... over 7k messages, mostly of hatred and faceless cowardess in response. Let's not become like that. I hope dearly, racism and vigilantism doesn't rear its ugly head. May all of us of the AMerican mind set no matter what doctrine or skin color live together in peace. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Clint Tredway [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:10:59 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism What alot of people on other lists that I belong are saying is that our belief in God and our faith in an unseeable bieng is ludicrus and is whats causing all this pain. I do not agree with this, but people can believe what they want. -- Original Message -- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:47:16 -0500 i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but have to ask..., what is that supposed to mean? Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Terrorism I think God was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: attacks
Well said Kamie - Original Message - From: Kamie Curfman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: Re: attacks I think this is an excellent point. We Americans have long taken our security for granted. It is a very sad day indeed that we now have this wake-up call which forces us to think about how vulnerable we can be. In the process of doing this, I simply ask (since I have seen hints of this in a couple postings now) that we focus on those who have lost their lives and the family members who have been left behind. Do not start thinking about those who may have failed at their job just yet. As someone who worked at the CIA for over six years and who worked on the Bin Ladin topic for more than half of that time, I can personally attest that the American public has no idea, no idea of the amount of effort that goes into combatting terrorism. Please just trust me when I tell you that you do not know of all the times the Intelligence Community has saved lives both here and overseas. Please just trust me when I tell you that you have celebrated holidays in peace, thanks to a few select people. Many attacks have been stopped that you don't know that, that you will never about. Unfortunately, this one is not one of them. And that is very sad. But that doesn't necessarily mean that someone did not do his/her job. Despite the size of the UBL and other terrorist groups, within many of them only a very, very small number of individuals are privy to the intricacies of the terrorist plots. Oftentimes, the suicide bombers and other such grunt people do not even know what is happening until moments before. It is impossible for the American or any other government to know everything that is going to happen. It is impossible for the FAA and airport officials to catch everything. I have traveled to Israel and have flown into and out of Tel Aviv. It took me nearly three hours to get out of that airport. And that was with a diplomatic passport. It takes the average traveler 5-6 hours just to get out of that country. Would you really want that happening here? Would you really be a happy person each time you were subject to that in the United States? My guess is no. Would the American public be content with hiring hundreds or thousands of more government employees to work on this topic? Again, my thought would be no. As a former government worker, I heard all the disparaging thoughts the non-government workers had for us. Whenever non-essential employees are sent home for bad weather or fiscal problems, people often snort and say Aren't they all non-essential? It's oftentimes only in times like this when we think we should be doing more. Everything is a trade-off. We can't do it all. Furthermore, I have personally seen the hate of the terrorist mindset up close and it is a very disturbing image. How can we every day combat such powerfully emotional rage successfully? I hope I did not rile anyone's feathers, that was not my intent. I am simply hoping to keep everyone focused on what really matters right now -- the victims and their families/friends. Wait until more facts roll in before pointing fingers. Thanks. Kamie Sicular, Alexander wrote: All I want to point out is that Israel has been living this nightmare for a long time. Israel is the USA's greatest ally in this horrible time. I have many friends in the IDF (Israel Defense Force) and they all know that the USA is nowhere near prepared for this type of conflict. Additionally, EL AL - the national airline of Israel, is protected like gold. Protected better then a fathers daughter. We have all flown domestically and we know the total lack of security. God have mercy on those that attack the freedom and democracy of the world. By the way, I live in Manhattan and have friends who live and work in the downtown area. -alex -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: attacks has anyone noted that this represents a great number of air related incidents arond DC.. DC where there is a no fly zone.. and where surface to sky ad portable missiles are available for such stuff?? The FAA needs to track more and better... inter and intra departmental communications needs improved. Boston Airport needs closed for a month and everyone fired. People need to be held accountable. We need dedicated people and more communications. All of this could have been minimized. I wish everyone the best in their quest to find loved ones today. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at
Re: attacks
I agree to all that you said.and I feel for the families who were involved...but, as long as there are greedy people who will do ANYTING for money, we will not be safe. It's scary to think that a few dollars could make someone turn their head and not see what is going on. How could they live with themselves knowing what they allowed to happenbut then again, they couldn't have a soul or any morals. From: Paris Lundis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: attacks Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:10:47 -0400 has anyone noted that this represents a great number of air related incidents arond DC.. DC where there is a no fly zone.. and where surface to sky ad portable missiles are available for such stuff?? The FAA needs to track more and better... inter and intra departmental communications needs improved. Boston Airport needs closed for a month and everyone fired. People need to be held accountable. We need dedicated people and more communications. All of this could have been minimized. I wish everyone the best in their quest to find loved ones today. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Nnnn, individual interpretation of God's word is one of the main reasons why things like this happen. Rey... - Original Message - From: Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism I think God was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
I beleive he means this looks to be the work of religious zealots. Hence the reference to God being at the root of this. If you look throughout history you will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the name of God than for any other reason. Frederic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but have to ask..., what is that supposed to mean? Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Terrorism I think God was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
And what is 'god's word but a written interpretation in the first place? Did 'God' write all that himself? Or did Men just like you and I write it all down, and Interpreted what they were seeing and hearing? -Gel -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Nnnn, individual interpretation of God's word is one of the main reasons why things like this happen. Rey... ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
EMS systems was Re: Terrorism
My heart go out to any of those in this community ... or everyone who have loved ones involved in this tragedy. Let's take a short moment of silence in honor of the victims of this horrific event. Amen. Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call today. I am part of the inactive Reserves (I was an Air Force medic for 6 years), and I mourn for all the people in the EMS system who lost their lives today. As part of that, there are a few things that people can do. While they are going to be severely overwhelmed today, blood is going to be needed in massive quantities in the days/weeks to come. Find out when and where emergency donor centers will be set up, and go and donate blood. I imagine that in short order, mobile centers and centers in almost every shopping mall will be up and functioning. Initially, the greatest demand will be for O+ blood. Additionally, money/food/water/supplies will be needed, and I am sure that donation centers will be set up soon. While I inadvertently fanned some flames, remember that any reaction we have right now is one of shock and anger. Wait 24 hours for all of it to wear off, then take a more rational look at the events and what to do next. I've been in mass casualty situations, and even on the periphery as we are, no one thinks clearly. I agree that there are a lot of issues with security, intelligence, awareness, etc that need to be looked at, but to do it in the heat only gives you reactionary decisions. I was home for lunch, and some of the video footage that is being shown is just horrifying. This is something that will affect the country for our entire life and beyond. As a comparison, the attack at Pearl Harbor claimed 2002 personnel. This looks to claim that as a MINIMUM, and may go as high as 5-6x that many. This is an event that will shape a generation, and you will always remember where you were when John ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: attacks
I'll bet the people who did this didn't get paid a dime. And they probably have more volunteers than they can handle. Their 'reward' is martyrdom, not money. -Original Message- From: Jason Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: attacks I agree to all that you said.and I feel for the families who were involved...but, as long as there are greedy people who will do ANYTING for money, we will not be safe. It's scary to think that a few dollars could make someone turn their head and not see what is going on. How could they live with themselves knowing what they allowed to happenbut then again, they couldn't have a soul or any morals. From: Paris Lundis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: attacks Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:10:47 -0400 has anyone noted that this represents a great number of air related incidents arond DC.. DC where there is a no fly zone.. and where surface to sky ad portable missiles are available for such stuff?? The FAA needs to track more and better... inter and intra departmental communications needs improved. Boston Airport needs closed for a month and everyone fired. People need to be held accountable. We need dedicated people and more communications. All of this could have been minimized. I wish everyone the best in their quest to find loved ones today. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
At 04:02 PM 09/11/2001 -0400, you wrote: Nnnn, individual interpretation of God's word is one of the main reasons why things like this happen. Or what is perceived as God's word, rather. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- I'm looking for a room-mate in the Hartford CT area, starting in September -- http://www.instantcoldfusion.com | My Book: Instant ColdFusion 5.0 -- My Band: Far Cry Fly, Alternative Folk Rock http://www.farcryfly.com | http://www.mp3.com/FarCryFly -- My company: DotComIt, LLC database driven web data using ColdFusion -- I tried all my tricks, I tried to steal a kiss... ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
that being sadii don't think God would tell you to kill peoplei believe it's one of his comandments From: Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Terrorism Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:11:19 -0500 And what is 'god's word but a written interpretation in the first place? Did 'God' write all that himself? Or did Men just like you and I write it all down, and Interpreted what they were seeing and hearing? -Gel -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Nnnn, individual interpretation of God's word is one of the main reasons why things like this happen. Rey... ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Agreed. One point that I heard on a radio streamcast is that there is a large segment of the Middle Eastern (And other) populations that refer to America as the Great Satan. To these people, the fact that you live in the US would make you a Satanist. This means that they regard us as an ultimate enemy in the service of the ultimate evil, and thus, killing us is a sanctioned act in the eyes of their God. Not sure I completely agree with that, but a lot of it makes sense. While the average American regards religion as something they do, a lot of Mideast people regard religion as their guiding force in life. Something to remember... John At 04:35 PM 9/11/01 -0400, Freddy wrote: I beleive he means this looks to be the work of religious zealots. Hence the reference to God being at the root of this. If you look throughout history you will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the name of God than for any other reason. Frederic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but have to ask..., what is that supposed to mean? Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Terrorism I think God was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: attacks
i'm not talking about hte terrorists.i'm talking about the workers at the airportshow else could the terrorists have gotten the weapons on the plane From: Jocelyn Isidro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: attacks Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:14:58 -0700 I'll bet the people who did this didn't get paid a dime. And they probably have more volunteers than they can handle. Their 'reward' is martyrdom, not money. -Original Message- From: Jason Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: attacks I agree to all that you said.and I feel for the families who were involved...but, as long as there are greedy people who will do ANYTING for money, we will not be safe. It's scary to think that a few dollars could make someone turn their head and not see what is going on. How could they live with themselves knowing what they allowed to happenbut then again, they couldn't have a soul or any morals. From: Paris Lundis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: attacks Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:10:47 -0400 has anyone noted that this represents a great number of air related incidents arond DC.. DC where there is a no fly zone.. and where surface to sky ad portable missiles are available for such stuff?? The FAA needs to track more and better... inter and intra departmental communications needs improved. Boston Airport needs closed for a month and everyone fired. People need to be held accountable. We need dedicated people and more communications. All of this could have been minimized. I wish everyone the best in their quest to find loved ones today. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorist and gas shortage
gas just jumped from 1.50 to 3.50 per gallon around here -Original Message- From: P Broussard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorist and gas shortage I live in the Midwest and _every_one_ is freaking out. There are gas lines out into the streets because people think the government is going to shut down the pipe lines or that the terrorist are going to blow them up! It's bad enough the gas stations jacked the gas prices up 20 cents because of it. I am waiting for them to start a run on the grocery stores. Is anyone else seeing this kind of behavior? I refuse to give in to it but who knows I guess they could be right. Phillip ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent are suffering because of misguided logic. Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! Freedom - Original Message - From: Paris Lundis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism Yes in part Brian I agree. The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer in such situations is what are the targets, what is in the proximity... what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the hijackers on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a mission and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we know the aircraft was hijacked... Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of needs... Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call today. Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. -paris [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 Subject: RE: Terrorism I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on board. No offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to voice my political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives to save many thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they picked a good place to put it down... FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in the ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could have happened... unlikely though.. doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of their citizens. I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if there is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far greater than dying due to violence. we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or a larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment towards it abroad. I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are military. One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just rumor, but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on the news yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's suspected that that plane was targetting the White House. This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the victims of the heinous act. Kevin Langevin Web Guy in Charge UsWebGuys 954-327-5780 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck. - Lee -Original Message- From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message-
RE: Terrorism
If you look throughout history you will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the name of God than for any other reason. Who coined this statement? It's been used, almost verbatim, so many times that it has to have some source. I'm really baffled by it. Did someone count up the body counts of Vietnam, Stalingrad, Pearl Harbor, the US Civil War, the French Revolution, Alexander the Great's casualties, etc etc etc etc and find a common religious theme? What about atrocities that predated monotheism? polytheism? tribal religions? It seems to be a self defeating argument. If religion is an opiate, then atheism is the truth. But then how the heck do you introduce morals into the picture? I mean, how do you define 'atrocity'? Atheism after all boils down to 'shit happens.' ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: package CF application
did anyone knows any resources or articles on how to package a CF application? If you're using CF 5, it's very easy to package an application using the Archive functionality. There's a presentation on the DC CFUG site covering this: http://www.figleaf.com/figleafhome/cfug/2001/CFUGJul2001/jul2001.zip Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Newbie
When querying LDAP (Exchange 5.5) for dist lists, one of the fields contains a multi-value of the members of it. Since the property merely contains a dn list of the members, one thing that the list contains is people who are actually hidden. However, since that property list doesn't contain that portion of the info, if I try to extract each user and do individual look-ups, when I come to someone who's actually hidden the query fails (as expected) and no data is returned. However, I'm not having any success dealing with the non-existent data. IsDefined doesn't seem to work, nor does (in many iterations). It's been a while since I've worked against an LDAP server, but this general query information might be helpful. If you don't get any records back, the query shouldn't fail; instead, it should just have no records. You can use the RecordCount query variable (myquery.RecordCount) - if it's zero, your query is empty. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: attacks
This was planned out a long time ago. I think that people were getting jobs at the Airport and became trusted employees and they are the ones who let these people in, if they themselves were not the ones on the planes. At 08:23 PM 9/11/2001 +, Jason Green wrote: i'm not talking about hte terrorists.i'm talking about the workers at the airportshow else could the terrorists have gotten the weapons on the plane From: Jocelyn Isidro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: attacks Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:14:58 -0700 I'll bet the people who did this didn't get paid a dime. And they probably have more volunteers than they can handle. Their 'reward' is martyrdom, not money. -Original Message- From: Jason Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: attacks I agree to all that you said.and I feel for the families who were involved...but, as long as there are greedy people who will do ANYTING for money, we will not be safe. It's scary to think that a few dollars could make someone turn their head and not see what is going on. How could they live with themselves knowing what they allowed to happenbut then again, they couldn't have a soul or any morals. From: Paris Lundis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: attacks Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:10:47 -0400 has anyone noted that this represents a great number of air related incidents arond DC.. DC where there is a no fly zone.. and where surface to sky ad portable missiles are available for such stuff?? The FAA needs to track more and better... inter and intra departmental communications needs improved. Boston Airport needs closed for a month and everyone fired. People need to be held accountable. We need dedicated people and more communications. All of this could have been minimized. I wish everyone the best in their quest to find loved ones today. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
What? not that I am a big gun control guy here. But if people were allowed to take guns on planes then this would happen everyday. At 04:30 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, Freedom wrote: Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent are suffering because of misguided logic. Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! Freedom - Original Message - From: Paris Lundis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism Yes in part Brian I agree. The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer in such situations is what are the targets, what is in the proximity... what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the hijackers on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a mission and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we know the aircraft was hijacked... Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of needs... Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call today. Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. -paris [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 Subject: RE: Terrorism I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on board. No offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to voice my political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives to save many thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they picked a good place to put it down... FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in the ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could have happened... unlikely though.. doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of their citizens. I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if there is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far greater than dying due to violence. we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or a larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment towards it abroad. I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are military. One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just rumor, but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on the news yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's suspected that that plane was targetting the White House. This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the victims of the heinous act. Kevin Langevin Web Guy in Charge UsWebGuys 954-327-5780 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. Good luck.
Re: Terrorism
I agree 1000% ... An armed public is a good thing. Responsible civilians with firearms and trainging to use them with needed will twart most incidents and have been proven to reduce the likelihood of crime... Afterall, do you think anyone wants to mess with a gun, obviously 255+ people on those planes didn't. People on planes are sitting ducks. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Freedom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:30:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Terrorism Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent are suffering because of misguided logic. Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! Freedom - Original Message - From: Paris Lundis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism Yes in part Brian I agree. The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer in such situations is what are the targets, what is in the proximity... what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the hijackers on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a mission and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we know the aircraft was hijacked... Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of needs... Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call today. Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. -paris [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 Subject: RE: Terrorism I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on board. No offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to voice my political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives to save many thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they picked a good place to put it down... FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in the ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could have happened... unlikely though.. doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of their citizens. I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if there is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far greater than dying due to violence. we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or a larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment towards it abroad. I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are military. One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just rumor, but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on the news yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's suspected that that plane was targetting the White House. This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the victims of the heinous act. Kevin Langevin Web Guy in Charge UsWebGuys 954-327-5780 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John
RE: attacks
At 08:23 PM 9/11/01 +, you wrote: i'm not talking about hte terrorists.i'm talking about the workers at the airportshow else could the terrorists have gotten the weapons on the plane The only weapons mentioned so far are knifes, and I suppose they were non-metallic and did not show on x-ray, or were put on by baggage handlers. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
*snicker* HAHAHAHAAHHA! Carry a gun onboard an airplane to 'protect' it..HAHAHAH Oh that is soo ludicrous. You think the terrorists used guns to hijack the plane huh? Why? Because you've seen it on movies so many times before? hahahaha! What do you need to do to 'Hijack' a plane? Get to the Pilots and take over the controls, or threaten the pilots with their lives. In this case I suspect that the terrorists themselves would have been flying the aircraft. Secondly, take care of the flight crew, and instill enough fear in the passengers that all 100+ of them would not try to retake the aircraft. Are guns the only way to do that? Nuh uh. And what happens when a well meaning citizen/stewardess uses a conventional firearm on an aircraft and accidentally shoots the captain, shoots out a window,or blows an engine? I'm afraid I can understand why all efforts are made to prevent firearams and other dagnerous devices and chemicals from being on board the aircraft in the FIRST place. You going to trust someone on the aircraft with an authorised gun who wasn't a federal agent or something like that? On EVERY plane? Wow..you must have LOTS of faith in the average civilian. No buddy, that would just mean BEFORE the plane is hijacked there will be a gun/other battle that might bring the plane down anyway.How many hijackings result in all hands lost? But you made me laugh..thanks 'Freedom'... At least you have the 'Freedom' to post misguided stuff under a pseudonym. -Angel Stewart -Original Message- From: Freedom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent are suffering because of misguided logic. Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! Freedom ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Not sure I completely agree with that, but a lot of it makes sense, Let me tell, how this tragedy looks from Turkey, Most of the people here belive that this happened to USA, because new government could not keep the balance like clinton did. It's because that you supported Israel more than you should and ignored others more than you should not. Israel is also killing innocent people, for what? Is it really different from what happened to you today or what happened to Bosna - Sarajevo years ago? I don't think so. People here believe that USA must be the BALANCE, not WEIGHTS of it. No matter it's in the name of whatever. I'm not an American Fan, but I know what civilization is. I can't think of my father working at the twin towers today or my brother just crossing the street. I'm so sad :( - Original Message - From: John Paitel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism Agreed. One point that I heard on a radio streamcast is that there is a large segment of the Middle Eastern (And other) populations that refer to America as the Great Satan. To these people, the fact that you live in the US would make you a Satanist. This means that they regard us as an ultimate enemy in the service of the ultimate evil, and thus, killing us is a sanctioned act in the eyes of their God. Not sure I completely agree with that, but a lot of it makes sense. While the average American regards religion as something they do, a lot of Mideast people regard religion as their guiding force in life. Something to remember... John At 04:35 PM 9/11/01 -0400, Freddy wrote: I beleive he means this looks to be the work of religious zealots. Hence the reference to God being at the root of this. If you look throughout history you will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the name of God than for any other reason. Frederic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but have to ask..., what is that supposed to mean? Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Terrorism I think God was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
I only hope my co-workers brother and family and everyone else who worked with me who each had someone involved in this in NYC or in DC and i can only hope and pray they turn up alive. But one person was in the Tower early so hopefully they made it out. With all the hate and anger, I just hope we can not do anything stupid and just find the people who did this and repay them. I am very angry now too Bill Wheatley Director of Development Certified Master ColdFusion 5 Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism My heart go out to any of those in this community ... or everyone who have loved ones involved in this tragedy. Let's take a short moment of silence in honor of the victims of this horrific event. Bill In a message dated 9/11/01 3:31:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call today. Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. -paris ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent are suffering because of misguided logic. Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! Freedom Ah, I was wondering when the gun crowd would check in. Lets take a look...incidents lately of air rage and road rage are on a sharp upturn. Now, give one of those air rage people a Glock 9mm semi-automatic. If I recall correctly (There are a few different Glock models), with one model you can carry 18 rounds (17 in a full magazine plus one already loaded in the barrel). Yahoo #1 gets mad because the peanuts aren't salted, goes berserk and shoots about 4 people, punctures the aircraft causing depressurization, etc etc etc. I have an idea, maybe we should station one to three marksmen with silenced pistols and hydroshock (fragmenting) bullets on every single flight. You make a hijack statement, you get shot. Period. Yeah, that's much better. While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a weapon. John ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Carry a gun onboard an airplane to 'protect' it..HAHAHAH Oh that is soo ludicrous. You think the terrorists used guns to hijack the plane huh? Why? Because you've seen it on movies so many times before? hahahaha! Man, you're clueless . . . - Original Message - From: Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism *snicker* HAHAHAHAAHHA! Carry a gun onboard an airplane to 'protect' it..HAHAHAH Oh that is soo ludicrous. You think the terrorists used guns to hijack the plane huh? Why? Because you've seen it on movies so many times before? hahahaha! What do you need to do to 'Hijack' a plane? Get to the Pilots and take over the controls, or threaten the pilots with their lives. In this case I suspect that the terrorists themselves would have been flying the aircraft. Secondly, take care of the flight crew, and instill enough fear in the passengers that all 100+ of them would not try to retake the aircraft. Are guns the only way to do that? Nuh uh. And what happens when a well meaning citizen/stewardess uses a conventional firearm on an aircraft and accidentally shoots the captain, shoots out a window,or blows an engine? I'm afraid I can understand why all efforts are made to prevent firearams and other dagnerous devices and chemicals from being on board the aircraft in the FIRST place. You going to trust someone on the aircraft with an authorised gun who wasn't a federal agent or something like that? On EVERY plane? Wow..you must have LOTS of faith in the average civilian. No buddy, that would just mean BEFORE the plane is hijacked there will be a gun/other battle that might bring the plane down anyway.How many hijackings result in all hands lost? But you made me laugh..thanks 'Freedom'... At least you have the 'Freedom' to post misguided stuff under a pseudonym. -Angel Stewart -Original Message- From: Freedom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent are suffering because of misguided logic. Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! Freedom ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Paris Lundis wrote: I agree 1000% ... An armed public is a good thing. Responsible civilians with firearms and trainging to use them with needed will twart most incidents and have been proven to reduce the likelihood of crime... I wouldn't directly call suicidal terrorists 'responsible people', yet they would be able to get firearms on those planes as well. Afterall, do you think anyone wants to mess with a gun, obviously 255+ people on those planes didn't. Fire your gun at a few windows and see how many people survive the decompression. Of course you get shot very fast after that, but I didn't see any last mminute parachutes on the CNN footage either today. People on planes are sitting ducks. True. IMHO introducing more firearms in airplanes is not unlike Mutual Assured Destruction. However, when the concept of MAD was used during the Cold War people sitting close to the red button were required to undergo psychological testing. Introducing the concept of MAD in an airplane without having people undergo psychological testing is MADness. Jochem ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorist and gas shortage
Nothing like that here, so far. The streets seem much less crowded (Fresno, in Central California). Largely business as usual, but *everyone* has radios and going at workplaces. That and tv's have cropped up all over in shops as well. Absolutely horrific. The event itself; the thousands of dead; The implications for the future ... Nothing good is coming out of this. --- Matt Robertson[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc., www.mysecretbase.com --- gas just jumped from 1.50 to 3.50 per gallon around here I live in the Midwest and _every_one_ is freaking out. There are gas lines out into the streets because people think the government is going ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
But the new administration has cut arms sales to Israel, they have condemned the Israeli attacks on Palestine. While the US has always said it will protect Israel, it will also help to protect many other nations. Some because the US has large interests in being allied with those nations: oil, money, tourism, protection. A horrible act has been committed by a yet unknown force, a force who may never be truly known, and a reason that may never be understood. Some see it as an act of terrorism, others see it as an act of war, I see it as both. Over the last 300 years Americans have shown that they are not afraid to give their lives to protect others. This is the second attack on US soil from an outside group. We saw what happened after the first. Though I do not expect the use nuclear weapons here I would not be totally surprised if they were. In the coming months we will see how this plays out. Officials from around the world have quickly stood up and said that they do not agree with this type of attack. Even governments that hate the US have said that this is not the way to go about it. People have said that at last something has been done that will make the Americans see. That this type of attack speaks the US language. Well it does speak the US language, but the US has had a common and violent response to attacks. The removal of the people who committed and orchestrated them. Let me tell, how this tragedy looks from Turkey, Most of the people here belive that this happened to USA, because new government could not keep the balance like clinton did. It's because that you supported Israel more than you should and ignored others more than you should not. Israel is also killing innocent people, for what? Is it really different from what happened to you today or what happened to Bosna - Sarajevo years ago? I don't think so. People here believe that USA must be the BALANCE, not WEIGHTS of it. No matter it's in the name of whatever. I'm not an American Fan, but I know what civilization is. I can't think of my father working at the twin towers today or my brother just crossing the street. I'm so sad :( - Original Message - From: John Paitel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism Agreed. One point that I heard on a radio streamcast is that there is a large segment of the Middle Eastern (And other) populations that refer to America as the Great Satan. To these people, the fact that you live in the US would make you a Satanist. This means that they regard us as an ultimate enemy in the service of the ultimate evil, and thus, killing us is a sanctioned act in the eyes of their God. Not sure I completely agree with that, but a lot of it makes sense. While the average American regards religion as something they do, a lot of Mideast people regard religion as their guiding force in life. Something to remember... John At 04:35 PM 9/11/01 -0400, Freddy wrote: I beleive he means this looks to be the work of religious zealots. Hence the reference to God being at the root of this. If you look throughout history you will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the name of God than for any other reason. Frederic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but have to ask..., what is that supposed to mean? Neil Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: Terrorism I think God was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a weapon. One terrorist gunman vs. 10-12 passengers with guns. What happens? Not good. But a whole lot better than what happened today! If the terrorists know that other passengers will be armed, they don't even try what happened today! Freedom - Original Message - From: John Paitel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent are suffering because of misguided logic. Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! Freedom Ah, I was wondering when the gun crowd would check in. Lets take a look...incidents lately of air rage and road rage are on a sharp upturn. Now, give one of those air rage people a Glock 9mm semi-automatic. If I recall correctly (There are a few different Glock models), with one model you can carry 18 rounds (17 in a full magazine plus one already loaded in the barrel). Yahoo #1 gets mad because the peanuts aren't salted, goes berserk and shoots about 4 people, punctures the aircraft causing depressurization, etc etc etc. I have an idea, maybe we should station one to three marksmen with silenced pistols and hydroshock (fragmenting) bullets on every single flight. You make a hijack statement, you get shot. Period. Yeah, that's much better. While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a weapon. John ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorist and gas shortage
I live in a place that's about as mid-west as you can get. After this warning I decided to go get a Pepsi refill at the local minimart. Lo and behold.. lines for gas, 20 gallon limit. Yes, I got gas. Thinking about going to the ATM since I used all my cash. Ann -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorist and gas shortage Nothing like that here, so far. The streets seem much less crowded (Fresno, in Central California). Largely business as usual, but *everyone* has radios and going at workplaces. That and tv's have cropped up all over in shops as well. Absolutely horrific. The event itself; the thousands of dead; The implications for the future ... Nothing good is coming out of this. --- Matt Robertson[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc., www.mysecretbase.com --- gas just jumped from 1.50 to 3.50 per gallon around here I live in the Midwest and _every_one_ is freaking out. There are gas lines out into the streets because people think the government is going ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
PLEASE!!!!!
At a time like this .. on a COLDFUSION technical list, now we have a bloody gun control flame war??? It's one thing to express feelings about the murder and maimings but flaming each other about how many weapons you could carry on a plane like a Bruce Willis movie is just disgusting. You guys make me feel truly sick. Please Michael . can't you put a stop to this lunacy?? Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Terrorism Paris Lundis wrote: I agree 1000% ... An armed public is a good thing. Responsible civilians with firearms and trainging to use them with needed will twart most incidents and have been proven to reduce the likelihood of crime... I wouldn't directly call suicidal terrorists 'responsible people', yet they would be able to get firearms on those planes as well. Afterall, do you think anyone wants to mess with a gun, obviously 255+ people on those planes didn't. Fire your gun at a few windows and see how many people survive the decompression. Of course you get shot very fast after that, but I didn't see any last mminute parachutes on the CNN footage either today. People on planes are sitting ducks. True. IMHO introducing more firearms in airplanes is not unlike Mutual Assured Destruction. However, when the concept of MAD was used during the Cold War people sitting close to the red button were required to undergo psychological testing. Introducing the concept of MAD in an airplane without having people undergo psychological testing is MADness. Jochem ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Right. Like people don't get mugged. Stores don't get robbed. Wow. The NRA has really brainwashed you. -Original Message- From: Freedom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Terrorism While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a weapon. One terrorist gunman vs. 10-12 passengers with guns. What happens? Not good. But a whole lot better than what happened today! If the terrorists know that other passengers will be armed, they don't even try what happened today! Freedom - Original Message - From: John Paitel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent are suffering because of misguided logic. Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! Freedom Ah, I was wondering when the gun crowd would check in. Lets take a look...incidents lately of air rage and road rage are on a sharp upturn. Now, give one of those air rage people a Glock 9mm semi-automatic. If I recall correctly (There are a few different Glock models), with one model you can carry 18 rounds (17 in a full magazine plus one already loaded in the barrel). Yahoo #1 gets mad because the peanuts aren't salted, goes berserk and shoots about 4 people, punctures the aircraft causing depressurization, etc etc etc. I have an idea, maybe we should station one to three marksmen with silenced pistols and hydroshock (fragmenting) bullets on every single flight. You make a hijack statement, you get shot. Period. Yeah, that's much better. While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a weapon. John ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Media coverage
One other thing that we should all be thinking about in regards to the Who, what, when, where, what are we going to do?? Think about Pearl Harbor. The only ones that had any idea for a good time after the attack that something had happened, were the ones involved, and the people that had the Need to know (President, etc). By the time the general public was completely aware of it, the government, military, etc. had a plan of action, and by the time people started saying Who did this and what are we going to do?, there were things already in motion. Now, with the advent of TV, Internet, and instant access to information, we all know what happened, and we are instantly demanding to know who and what are we going to do about it. The who and why are going to take time to figure out. Theoriticians, intelligence officers, etc. are offering conjectures about who has the resources and the desire, etc., and the American public is screaming for blood. Hell, for all we know, it could be the Chinese. Could be a counter culture from Russia. Someone in the Congo could be pissed off at us. Could be a militia sect comprised of ex-Seals from here in the US. I forget who said it recently, but We don't know what we don't know. My comment about a certain section of the world was not a pointing finger, nor a condemnation. It was a did you see the reaction over here? Until we know the who and the why, lets just concentrate on the them, the people that still need our help in the affected areas. Don't let the instant access of information turn into an instant reprisal that could be wrong. John ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
(Admin) Please move OT to CF-Community
I left the threads on CF-Talk alone so people could let out their feelings on this a little. It was a tragic event and talking is needed. I think that the time for leniency for this list has past. Please move the OT topics and discussions over to CF-Community. Lets try and get back on topic which is tech. I don't want to seem callous but we've got to get back into focus. At a time like this .. on a COLDFUSION technical list, now we have a bloody gun control flame war??? It's one thing to express feelings about the murder and maimings but flaming each other about how many weapons you could carry on a plane like a Bruce Willis movie is just disgusting. You guys make me feel truly sick. Please Michael . can't you put a stop to this lunacy?? Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Terrorism Paris Lundis wrote: I agree 1000% ... An armed public is a good thing. Responsible civilians with firearms and trainging to use them with needed will twart most incidents and have been proven to reduce the likelihood of crime... I wouldn't directly call suicidal terrorists 'responsible people', yet they would be able to get firearms on those planes as well. Afterall, do you think anyone wants to mess with a gun, obviously 255+ people on those planes didn't. Fire your gun at a few windows and see how many people survive the decompression. Of course you get shot very fast after that, but I didn't see any last mminute parachutes on the CNN footage either today. People on planes are sitting ducks. True. IMHO introducing more firearms in airplanes is not unlike Mutual Assured Destruction. However, when the concept of MAD was used during the Cold War people sitting close to the red button were required to undergo psychological testing. Introducing the concept of MAD in an airplane without having people undergo psychological testing is MADness. Jochem ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
OMG - you sound like Archie Bunker... - Original Message - From: Freedom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a weapon. One terrorist gunman vs. 10-12 passengers with guns. What happens? Not good. But a whole lot better than what happened today! If the terrorists know that other passengers will be armed, they don't even try what happened today! Freedom ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Verity problem
I am trying to populate a collection with Entry_ID and Entry_Text Entry_ID is a number data type and Entry_Text is a Long data type. I am using oracle and cf 4.5, I am not able to populate the index can anyone tell me why? I use the cfindex properly and cfsearch properly, however when I perform the search the recordssearched variable is not defined, as if it weren't populated. Below are my code blocks: idx_NotebookEntries.cfm ** cfquery datasource=notebooks name=idx_Entries select Entries.ENTRY_ID, Entries.ENTRY_TEXT FROM Entries /cfquery CFINDEX COLLECTION=NotebookTest ACTION=Refresh TYPE=Custom TITLE= Entry_ID KEY=ENTRY_ID BODY=ENTRY_TEXT QUERY=idx_Entries *** act_SearchResults.cfm ** CFSEARCH NAME=srch_EntryResults COLLECTION=NotebookTest CRITERIA=#form.Criteria# ** ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
