Re: Business Case for a 4.5 -> 7 upgrade

[Rick Root]

Duncan I Loxton wrote:
> 
> Are there any other really good reasons (from a Chief Exec level) that
> would be great to convince them to change?

Maintainability.

And, you might find that, if the time comes, finding a developer willing 
to do be stuck doing CF 4.5 work might be hard =)


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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[dave]

lmfao!! :)

i'd listen too ya Will if you had 2 cents ;)

 i may speel rael bda ans i kood be rong but who's lusting over my i cand 
girls? hahaha

 speaking of which i gotta head do to the fashion show and watch my cand shake 
her thang!!


From: Will Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:39 PM
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Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown 

My two cents

I just think dave is wrong as usual! And he needs help spelling!

:)

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[Way OT] Anyone traveling from UK to US soon?

[Dave Merrill]

Odd question I know, but my sister-in-law is looking for someone to bring
back more of a particular kind of notepad she got in London a while ago,
loves, and can't find in the states. It's not worth shipping them from the
UK, but probably is worth shipping them to some who's coming to the US, then
shipping them to her in Austin.

Long shot, but contact me off list if you know anyone likely, and I'll
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Re: Limitations of CFMX 7.0 Developer Version Gateways?

[Sean Corfield]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:30:44 -0700, Brandon Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm currently working with the CFML asynch gateway in CFMX 7.0 using
> the Developer edition and I seem to be having various problems with
> events not running.   Essentially I'll fire off about 5 events, and
> only 2 of them ever complete even though they are queued successfully.
>  Nothing shows-up in any of the JRun or CF logs, so it doesn't quite
> make sense.

Double-check the JVM version that CF is using (SYSTEM INFORMATION in
the top nav of the CF Admin). A colleague same this behavior on a
system that had the 1.4.0 JVM.
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RE: weee regex

[Ewok]

Hey thanks... anything to shorten it makes sense to me!

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: weee regex

Incidentally, this regex has some extra bits which might be making it
a bit more confusing than it needs to be ...

for instance

((https?:)\/\/)

is functionally no different than

https?:\/\/

because the parenthesis are not being used as backreferences...


> WOA! I think I got it...

> str = rereplace(str,
> "https?:)\/\/)|(www\.|ftp\.))[-[:alnum:]\?%,\.\/&##!@:
> =\+~_]+[A-Za-z0-9\
> /])(?!((?!\[img\]).)*?\[/img\])", " target=""_blank"">\1",
> "ALL");

> now lets see if I can break it!

> -Original Message-
> From: Ewok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: weee regex

> These large regular expressions drive me nuts!

> I've got this regex (can’t remember where but I definitely
> didn’t write it.

> str = rereplace(str,
> "https?:)\/\/)|(www\.|ftp\.))[-[:alnum:]\?%,\.\/&##!@:
> =\+~_]+[A-Za-z0-9\
> /])", "\1", "ALL");


> It works well. It will replace anything that matches the
> form of a url with
> the appropriate html to make it active and open in a new
> window.

> My problem is that I don’t want it to replace links that
> fall between [img]
> and [/img] tags

> eg I would want this link skipped
> [img]http://www.google.com/logos/lunarnewyear05.gif[/img]

> I plan to turn the image links into  them displayed and
> linked rather than just linked

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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Will Tomlinson]

My two cents

I just think dave is wrong as usual! And he needs help spelling!

:)

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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Rob]

> You might ask yourself the question, what am I going to respond to a
> customer saying "Why would I pay for ColdFusion if I can get A, B, or C
> for free?". Only in specific cases you can throw it on ColdFusion
> specific functionality, but even then boxing up against free publicity
> marketed languages is very hard for an Account Manager.
> 
> Just to clear things up :) I know this issue pops up regularly, but it
> isn't something you have to put away beneath the soil. I think it needs
> attention, but that attention is expensive, and requires strong product
> strategy. :)

I tend to think of Coldfusion as a productivity API for Java. You can
do things in coldfusion you can't do with java alone (take a cfc and
add a function to it at runtime) and some things that are just faster
in cfml (you can get a hold of XML way easier, and a slew of other
things - let alone the new stuff in 7)

Companies don't seem to mind buying add-on COM objects, php modules,
java charting APIs - my point is that CFML is a language unto it's
self to be sure, but it can also be looked at as an augmentation to
java, and when looked at it that way it might be an easier sell.
Meaning you can do most everything in JSP and java (or someother free
language), but it takes a larger amout of time and effort to make a
web service or parse and XML file compared to the 2 or 3 lines of code
in cfml. If you say, "hey it'll take me 2 days to do it in language A
or 2 seconds to do in CFMX" then figure in your salary...

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RE: CFLDAP timeout ignored/ force timeout with Java?

[Dawson, Michael]

Why not pull all users (all CNs) from your LDAP directory, then, using
that query, loop over the database?  Basically, reverse your logic.

I wonder if your LDAP server is having problems keeping up...  Are you
sure the thread is sleeping between calls?

However, using Active Directory, I have done LDAP queries that pull data
or even modify it, and I can get through ~4000 entries in less than a
minute.  I never have to sleep the thread.

What LDAP server are you using?  Maybe you already said, but I didn't
notice it.

If you have the time, you might try using ASP with ADSI to see if it's a
CF problem or just a problem with your LDAP directory.


-Original Message-
From: Jon Gunnip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:15 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFLDAP timeout ignored/ force timeout with Java?

Thanks for the suggestions.  I removed the cfldap timeout attribute and
the hanging still occurs.  I have a  at
the top of the page and yet the page hangs for more than 300 seconds.

The test I am doing is to grab a bunch of names from our database and
then enter a loop where I do a cfldap call for each individual (with a
1 second pause between each) to see if I can get their CN from the LDAP
directory.  It hangs on the most recent test after the 43rd individual -
but that is arbitrary.  On the next test, it might pass that individual
with no problem and hang on the 50th or 100th individual.

Any other suggestions?

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RE: Limitations of CFMX 7.0 Developer Version Gateways?

[Mike Nicholls]

On a slightly related note, the first thing I tried out when I installed
CFMX7 was the XMPP gateway.  The gateway was ignoring messages I sent it,
and the CF logs seemed to indicate that this is because the gateway is only
allowed to talk to one person at a time in developer mode.  

The error listed the Jabber server the gateway was connecting to
(jabber.org) as the user it was allowed to talk to, so I guess a server
message of some sort causes the gateway to ignore everyone but the server.
Has anyone else had better luck with the XMPP gateway in developer mode?

-Original Message-
From: Brandon Harper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 1:31 p.m.
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Limitations of CFMX 7.0 Developer Version Gateways?

I'm currently working with the CFML asynch gateway in CFMX 7.0 using
the Developer edition and I seem to be having various problems with
events not running.   Essentially I'll fire off about 5 events, and
only 2 of them ever complete even though they are queued successfully.
 Nothing shows-up in any of the JRun or CF logs, so it doesn't quite
make sense.

I also tried Damon Cooper's demo file app and it doesn't work
correctly either-- it seems to die after about 10 threads or so.  I've
played around with the various settings available via the CF Admin as
well as the jrun.xml file just in case, and nothing seems to change
anything.

I was wondering if someone from MM could comment on the limitations of
the event gateway in the Developer version of CFMX 7.0 as I couldn't
find any documentation for it?  I suppose I'll probably try installing
the Enterprise trial tomorrow to test out this particular
functionality, but it would be good to know what the limitations are
in the Developer's edition.

Thanks,

- Brandon

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re: Limitations of CFMX 7.0 Developer Version Gateways?

[dave]

and you can't understand what i say when i dont use the right words!


From: "dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:32 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: re: Limitations of CFMX 7.0 Developer Version Gateways? 

i dont see why there would be any limits to it at all.
 if you can't develop it then you can't you it right


From: Brandon Harper 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:28 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Limitations of CFMX 7.0 Developer Version Gateways? 

I'm currently working with the CFML asynch gateway in CFMX 7.0 using
the Developer edition and I seem to be having various problems with
events not running. Essentially I'll fire off about 5 events, and
only 2 of them ever complete even though they are queued successfully.
 Nothing shows-up in any of the JRun or CF logs, so it doesn't quite
make sense.

I also tried Damon Cooper's demo file app and it doesn't work
correctly either-- it seems to die after about 10 threads or so. I've
played around with the various settings available via the CF Admin as
well as the jrun.xml file just in case, and nothing seems to change
anything.

I was wondering if someone from MM could comment on the limitations of
the event gateway in the Developer version of CFMX 7.0 as I couldn't
find any documentation for it? I suppose I'll probably try installing
the Enterprise trial tomorrow to test out this particular
functionality, but it would be good to know what the limitations are
in the Developer's edition.

Thanks,

- Brandon

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re: Limitations of CFMX 7.0 Developer Version Gateways?

[dave]

i dont see why there would be any limits to it at all.
 if you can't develop it then you can't you it right


From: Brandon Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:28 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Limitations of CFMX 7.0 Developer Version Gateways? 

I'm currently working with the CFML asynch gateway in CFMX 7.0 using
the Developer edition and I seem to be having various problems with
events not running. Essentially I'll fire off about 5 events, and
only 2 of them ever complete even though they are queued successfully.
 Nothing shows-up in any of the JRun or CF logs, so it doesn't quite
make sense.

I also tried Damon Cooper's demo file app and it doesn't work
correctly either-- it seems to die after about 10 threads or so. I've
played around with the various settings available via the CF Admin as
well as the jrun.xml file just in case, and nothing seems to change
anything.

I was wondering if someone from MM could comment on the limitations of
the event gateway in the Developer version of CFMX 7.0 as I couldn't
find any documentation for it? I suppose I'll probably try installing
the Enterprise trial tomorrow to test out this particular
functionality, but it would be good to know what the limitations are
in the Developer's edition.

Thanks,

- Brandon

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Limitations of CFMX 7.0 Developer Version Gateways?

[Brandon Harper]

I'm currently working with the CFML asynch gateway in CFMX 7.0 using
the Developer edition and I seem to be having various problems with
events not running.   Essentially I'll fire off about 5 events, and
only 2 of them ever complete even though they are queued successfully.
 Nothing shows-up in any of the JRun or CF logs, so it doesn't quite
make sense.

I also tried Damon Cooper's demo file app and it doesn't work
correctly either-- it seems to die after about 10 threads or so.  I've
played around with the various settings available via the CF Admin as
well as the jrun.xml file just in case, and nothing seems to change
anything.

I was wondering if someone from MM could comment on the limitations of
the event gateway in the Developer version of CFMX 7.0 as I couldn't
find any documentation for it?  I suppose I'll probably try installing
the Enterprise trial tomorrow to test out this particular
functionality, but it would be good to know what the limitations are
in the Developer's edition.

Thanks,

- Brandon

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Re: Firewall question

[Jim McAtee]

ZyWALLs here as well.  I have a ZyWALL 2 on my home network and keep a VPN 
nailed up into our office LAN where we have a ZyWALL 10II for about a 
dozen users.  Then we have a ZyWALL 35 in front of our web and email 
servers in colocation.


- Original Message - 
From: "Duane Boudreau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall question


> Depends on your budget
>
> I've used both SonicWall and ZyWall. I have a zywall running on my home
> network
>
> http://www.zywall.com/products/model.php?indexcate=1037588623&indexcate1=&in
> dexFlagvalue=1021873683
>
> I think this box runs between $250 & $300 USD
>
> HTH,
> Duane
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:03 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Firewall question
>
> what firewalls to folks recommend?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:00 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Firewall question
>
>
> Have a firewall between your router and server.
>
> Router -- Firewall -- Windows 2003 Server
>
> Use access list on your router, along with a good rule set on firewall, 
> and
> a hardened web server.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: Firewall question
>
> Which is more secure:  Running your firewall on the NT 2003 Server or
> running
> it on a router?
>
> Andy


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Re: how to display data in two select boxes where the second one's display depends on the first one

[Adam Haskell]

its more along the lines that in MX 7 you have some advanced
functionality with flash forms and and the ability to do some stuff
with actionscript.

Adam H 


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:47:15 -0800 (PST), Discover Antartica
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MX. Just installed MX 7 on another machine though. Will the solution to MX 
> not work on MX 7?
> 
> Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:if you look on the dev exchange on MMs 
> website there are a few custom
> tags...are you looking for an MX or MX 7 solution though? That could
> change the situation greatly :)
> 
> Adam H
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:26:39 -0800 (PST), Discover Antartica
> wrote:
> > I want to display the data in two select boxes. For example, I want to 
> > display two select boxes. In the first one I want to display the list of 
> > the category of employees (like full time, part time, contract, etc)
> >
> > On the second select list i want to display the list of employees in that 
> > category. For example, if the user clicks on the part time then the second 
> > box should display all part time employees only.
> >
> > Is there a easy way for this?
> >
> >
> 
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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[dave]

hehe no prob, its hard on this black & white medium to accurately convey the 
meaning thats intended

 actually starting arguments can lead to a lot of otherwise unknown knowledge 
to be brought out ;)


From: Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:51 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown 

Ah i see it in a new light now $3 more per month is nothing compared
to a couple thousand upfront just to start...That would make a
difference..I think somewhere along the lines I lost the original
intent. I was just trying to argue, read work avoidance.

Adam H

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:00:02 -0500, dave  wrote:
> I wasn't implying getting into a price war with php, I was simply implying to 
> eductate those php users that don't realize that chances are pretty good that 
> using coldfusion is a viable option to php with really no cost to them. A 
> majority of them really think that they will have to fork out a few grand 
> just too use it, which simply isn't true at all.
> 
> 
> From: "John Munyan" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:42 PM
> To: CF-Talk 
> Subject: RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
> 
> One of the things I have learned about business development in a course I 
> have taken concerns lifetime value of customers. Initially an emerging 
> technology business tries to gain traction with a certain niche which serves 
> as an anchor to a wider segment. Initially focus is key, then as things 
> diversify generalization takes over and share is maximized with low margins. 
> Lastly, a revaluation of customers is done as a business reaches maturity. At 
> this point, it is key to determine where your revenues are derived from. 
> Roughly 80% of revenue is made from 20% of customers (or something like 
> that). The lowest quartile (most price sensitive customers) should be cleared 
> from the reams they actually cost money to carry. At this point it is also 
> key to differentiate you product or service along dimensions other than price.
> 
> Thus my take, if I was MM I would not be drawn into a price war with PHP and 
> open source and instead highlight the aspects of CF which diversify it from 
> the open source offerings. I would be interested to know the breakdown of 
> hosting by cost. Also would be very interested in the margins associated with 
> these classes of customers.
> If the ease of use and rapid development et.al doesn't command a premium then 
> by association there is no 'added value'. And having used the produce for a 
> couple years would assert it certainly demands a premium - I find it's 
> function very compelling. You want a 'superior good' it will cost more.
> 
> I could go on but this is probably getting way off topic.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed 2/9/2005 1:42 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
> 
> Adam,
> 
> Did you check the list I posted earlier? There were several ColdFusion hosts
> under 10 dollars listed on it.
> 
> - Calvin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:18 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
> 
> Yes 3 dollars big deal I agree but some would not. Alternatively what
> if I said CF has 30% premium to host..sounds a bit different. You can
> dimish the value of anything, the opposite applies too. My point is
> the price of hosting is more expensive for Coldfusion and that does
> make a difference to people, maybe not you or me, but we know the
> extra benifits CF has and $3 is nothing...to the Graphic artist or new
> to the web type of guy that goes to findawebhost.com (or some host
> comparison place) and sees a PHP host for 3 bucks or a CF host for $7
> or $10 then where do you think he is going to go?
> 
> My main point is that you can't say that it costs the same for a CF
> site as it does for a PHP site in a shared hosting enviroment.
> 
> Adam H
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0500, dave wrote:
> > oh geez! thats getting a little bit nit picky dont you think?
> > lets see my clients host at hostmysite.com
> > its $133.55 a yr that = $11.13 a month with free domain name (smarter
> power plan)
> > and you cant argue that they are not a good host!
> >
> > I can already see the php crowd drooling over this
> > "BUT ITS $3 CHEAPER A MONTH TO HOST IT!!"
> >
> > OMG!!! i can switch to php and retire at the end of the year!!
> hurrayyy
> 
> 



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Re: weee regex

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Probably easiest to replace the [img] bbml before applying the
autolink regex... then you can use ^(^") at the beginning of your
regex to make sure the first character isn't a double-quote (i.e. an
image tag attribute) and slide the \1 down so the backreferences are
"\1\2"... hth

> These large regular expressions drive me nuts!

> I've got this regex (can’t remember where but I definitely
> didn’t write it.

> str = rereplace(str,
> "https?:)\/\/)|(www\.|ftp\.))[-[:alnum:]\?%,\.\/&##!@:
> =\+~_]+[A-Za-z0-9\
> /])", "\1", "ALL");



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RE: weee regex

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Incidentally, this regex has some extra bits which might be making it
a bit more confusing than it needs to be ...

for instance

((https?:)\/\/)

is functionally no different than

https?:\/\/

because the parenthesis are not being used as backreferences...


> WOA! I think I got it...

> str = rereplace(str,
> "https?:)\/\/)|(www\.|ftp\.))[-[:alnum:]\?%,\.\/&##!@:
> =\+~_]+[A-Za-z0-9\
> /])(?!((?!\[img\]).)*?\[/img\])", " target=""_blank"">\1",
> "ALL");

> now lets see if I can break it!

> -Original Message-
> From: Ewok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: weee regex

> These large regular expressions drive me nuts!

> I've got this regex (can’t remember where but I definitely
> didn’t write it.

> str = rereplace(str,
> "https?:)\/\/)|(www\.|ftp\.))[-[:alnum:]\?%,\.\/&##!@:
> =\+~_]+[A-Za-z0-9\
> /])", "\1", "ALL");


> It works well. It will replace anything that matches the
> form of a url with
> the appropriate html to make it active and open in a new
> window.

> My problem is that I don’t want it to replace links that
> fall between [img]
> and [/img] tags

> eg I would want this link skipped
> [img]http://www.google.com/logos/lunarnewyear05.gif[/img]

> I plan to turn the image links into  them displayed and
> linked rather than just linked

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RE: Firewall question

[Duane Boudreau]

Depends on your budget

I've used both SonicWall and ZyWall. I have a zywall running on my home
network

http://www.zywall.com/products/model.php?indexcate=1037588623&indexcate1=&in
dexFlagvalue=1021873683
 
I think this box runs between $250 & $300 USD

HTH,
Duane


-Original Message-
From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Firewall question

what firewalls to folks recommend?

-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Firewall question


Have a firewall between your router and server.

Router -- Firewall -- Windows 2003 Server

Use access list on your router, along with a good rule set on firewall, and
a hardened web server.

-Original Message-
From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Firewall question

Which is more secure:  Running your firewall on the NT 2003 Server or
running
it on a router?

Andy









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Re: Business Case for a 4.5 -> 7 upgrade

[Jon Austin]

4.5 = old and busted
MX = much better 

Seriously though, 4.5 is quite a few major releases behind. The fact
that MM do not support 4.5 anymore should be reason enough.

But as you mentioned, if you app does a lot of reporting, they can
have much prettier graphs and PDF documents.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:47:35 +1100, Duncan I Loxton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are there any other really good reasons (from a Chief Exec level) that
> would be great to convince them to change?

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RE: Firewall question

[Andy Ousterhout]

No, not theory.  Real-life small business with 5 users accessing Internet
and receiving Email via Exchange Server running on same box.  Web site is
hosted elsewhere.

-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Firewall question


No, I wouldn't route through the Windows server.

The only times I'd consider using Windows as a router would be on a
network where for some reason it's your only routing option, or if you
wanted to run Microsoft's ISA Server as your firewall.  I've never used
it, but ISA can do some things that most firewalls cannot by integrating
security with your NT domain.  But this would be in the context of an
office network with users behind the firewall, not a web hosting network.

http://www.microsoft.com/ISAServer/

You still haven't mentioned the nature of the network - perhaps it's just
a theoretical question, but if the NT server is a web or email server and
the network also has users and/or private servers, then you'll want to
isolate the NT server in a DMZ.

 --> DMZ: Web & email servers
   /
Internet --> router/firewall --
   \
--> PRIVATE: LAN users and servers


- Original Message -
From: "Andy Ousterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall question


> Jim,
> What I am try to figure out is what exactly is the safest configuration.
> What seems to be the last remaining question is whether I want to route
> all
> internet traffic through my single server or whether I should not.
>
> Config 1  Firewall --->NT Server --> Hub
> Config 2 Firewall --->Hub -->NT Server
>
> What do folks out there think?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim McAteeon
>
>
>>I think the most secure arrangement is to:
>>
>> 1.  Replace router with hardware Firewall Solution (adding VPN at same
>> time
>> ::-))
>
> You might not necessarily be able to replace your router.  Depends a bit
> on the actual connection.  For instance if you currently had a T1 and a
> Cisco router with a T1 CSU/DSU module then you'll still need the router
> to
> make T1 connection.  Similarly, with DSL, you need a router capable of
> making the DSL connection.  That said, there _are_ combo boxes that can
> terminate the connection, and act as router, firewall and VPN endpoint.
>
>> 2.  Go from Firewall solution to NTServer running Firewall software
>
> If your server is truly "behind" the firewall on an internal network,
> you
> can dispense with running firewall software on the server itself.  There
> probably aren't many shops running firewall software on things like file
> and print servers on their LAN.
>
> Only if the server is Internet-facing might you need to worry about
> this.
> But while defense in depth is a good philosophy, it can sometimes be a
> PITA to manage.  For instance if you add a new service on some odd IP
> port
> then you need to open a hole through both your outer firewall and any
> software firewall on the server itself.  Personally, if I thought I had
> a
> reliable hardware firewall between my Internet-facing servers _and_ I
> trusted my ability to administer the firewall then I wouldn't run a
> software firewall on any of those servers.
>
>> 3.  Go from NTServer to rest of internal network.
>
> I'm not sure why you'd need to do this unless you need to use the server
> as a router.
>
> You probably should explain the nature of your connection and network a
> little better.  Is it purely a web hosting network?  Or a company LAN -
> with or without Internet-facing servers such as web and email servers?




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Re: CFLDAP timeout ignored/ force timeout with Java?

[Jon Gunnip]

Thanks for the suggestions.  I removed the cfldap timeout attribute
and the hanging still occurs.  I have a  at the top of the page and yet the page hangs
for more than 300 seconds.

The test I am doing is to grab a bunch of names from our database and
then enter a loop where I do a cfldap call for each individual (with a
1 second pause between each) to see if I can get their CN from the
LDAP directory.  It hangs on the most recent test after the 43rd
individual - but that is arbitrary.  On the next test, it might pass
that individual with no problem and hang on the 50th or 100th
individual.

Any other suggestions?

Jon


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:07:14 -0500, Douglas Knudsen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I setup a CFC for authentication against an LDAP.  In the cfm page it
> is called I use   works fine.
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:02:46 -0600, Dawson, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Have you tried not using the timeout attribute?
> >
> > There are issues with CF not returning the correct results if you have a
> > timeout specified and there are a large number (1000+) results being
> > returned.
> >
> > M!ke
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jon Gunnip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:39 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: CFLDAP timeout ignored/ force timeout with Java?
> >
> > I'm using CFLDAP against a Novell directory service.  Ocassionally, I am
> > getting the thread hanging even though I have a timeout="60" set on my
> > cfldap tag.  (This is MX and Macromedia docs say that timeout is
> > actually in milliseconds not seconds
> > http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_19579,
> > but it doesn't seem to work regardless).
> >
> > Is there a way that I can keep the thread from hanging?
> >
> > I was thinking about creating a Java thread before the cfldap call and
> > having it sleep 60 seconds and then throw an exception.  After the
> > cfldap call, I would stop and kill the thread so that the exception
> > would not be thrown if the cfldap call completed in time.
> >
> > Is this possible?  Any pointers on how to accomplish this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jon
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Adam Haskell]

No I had not ever seen this before thanks :)  but some observations
about the <$10 hosts

XtremeHost - not even MX.
hosting-coldfusion -their whole website is completley done in ASP,
thats just funny.


Adam H


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:42:40 -0500, Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam,
> 
> Did you check the list I posted earlier? There were several ColdFusion hosts
> under 10 dollars listed on it.
> 
> - Calvin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:18 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
> 
> Yes 3 dollars big deal I agree but some would not. Alternatively what
> if I said CF has 30% premium to host..sounds a bit different. You can
> dimish the value of anything, the opposite applies too.  My point is
> the price of hosting is more expensive for Coldfusion and that does
> make a difference to people, maybe not you or me, but we know the
> extra benifits CF has and $3 is nothing...to the Graphic artist or new
> to the web type of guy that goes to findawebhost.com (or some host
> comparison place) and sees a PHP host for 3 bucks or a CF host for $7
> or $10 then  where do you think he is going to go?
> 
> My main point is that you can't say that it costs the same for a CF
> site as it does for a PHP site in a shared hosting enviroment.
> 
> Adam H
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > oh geez! thats getting a little bit nit picky dont you think?
> > lets see my clients host at hostmysite.com
> > its $133.55 a yr that = $11.13 a month with free domain name (smarter
> power plan)
> > and you cant argue that they are not a good host!
> >
> > I can already see the php crowd drooling over this
> > "BUT ITS $3 CHEAPER A MONTH TO HOST IT!!"
> >
> > OMG!!! i can switch to php and retire at the end of the year!!
> hurrayyy
> 
> 

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RE: Business Case for a 4.5 -> 7 upgrade

[Steven Erat]

 
> Now we run our internal mission critical app on 4.5, our intranet on
> 6.1 and 5 odd websites on 4.5.  We have CF server crashes more than
> you can imagine, and I hope 7 will be able to go some way to helping
> us out.

Can you be very specific about the crashes?  In CFMX 6.x, 7 you don't have
to worry about stability suffering from "unlocked shared scope variable"
usage.  This was a leading killer in CF5 and 4.5 since developer would have
to properly use CFLOCK with session and application scopes throughout the
entire app, or else you would end up with memory corruption having the
symptoms of numerous PCODE errors, unknown exceptions, and generally wacky
things happening before the server eventually crashed (process died).  If
this is what you see in CF4.5, then you'll be happy to know that problem
doesn't occur there.

> Are there any other really good reasons (from a Chief Exec level) that
> would be great to convince them to change?

Yes.  Macromedia does not support CF 4.5 anymore, e.g. no support calls, no
hotfixes.

-Steven Erat

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Re: Firewall question

[Jim McAtee]

No, I wouldn't route through the Windows server.

The only times I'd consider using Windows as a router would be on a 
network where for some reason it's your only routing option, or if you 
wanted to run Microsoft's ISA Server as your firewall.  I've never used 
it, but ISA can do some things that most firewalls cannot by integrating 
security with your NT domain.  But this would be in the context of an 
office network with users behind the firewall, not a web hosting network.

http://www.microsoft.com/ISAServer/

You still haven't mentioned the nature of the network - perhaps it's just 
a theoretical question, but if the NT server is a web or email server and 
the network also has users and/or private servers, then you'll want to 
isolate the NT server in a DMZ.

 --> DMZ: Web & email servers
   /
Internet --> router/firewall --
   \
--> PRIVATE: LAN users and servers


- Original Message - 
From: "Andy Ousterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall question


> Jim,
> What I am try to figure out is what exactly is the safest configuration.
> What seems to be the last remaining question is whether I want to route 
> all
> internet traffic through my single server or whether I should not.
>
> Config 1  Firewall --->NT Server --> Hub
> Config 2 Firewall --->Hub -->NT Server
>
> What do folks out there think?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim McAteeon
>
>
>>I think the most secure arrangement is to:
>>
>> 1.  Replace router with hardware Firewall Solution (adding VPN at same
>> time
>> ::-))
>
> You might not necessarily be able to replace your router.  Depends a bit
> on the actual connection.  For instance if you currently had a T1 and a
> Cisco router with a T1 CSU/DSU module then you'll still need the router 
> to
> make T1 connection.  Similarly, with DSL, you need a router capable of
> making the DSL connection.  That said, there _are_ combo boxes that can
> terminate the connection, and act as router, firewall and VPN endpoint.
>
>> 2.  Go from Firewall solution to NTServer running Firewall software
>
> If your server is truly "behind" the firewall on an internal network, 
> you
> can dispense with running firewall software on the server itself.  There
> probably aren't many shops running firewall software on things like file
> and print servers on their LAN.
>
> Only if the server is Internet-facing might you need to worry about 
> this.
> But while defense in depth is a good philosophy, it can sometimes be a
> PITA to manage.  For instance if you add a new service on some odd IP 
> port
> then you need to open a hole through both your outer firewall and any
> software firewall on the server itself.  Personally, if I thought I had 
> a
> reliable hardware firewall between my Internet-facing servers _and_ I
> trusted my ability to administer the firewall then I wouldn't run a
> software firewall on any of those servers.
>
>> 3.  Go from NTServer to rest of internal network.
>
> I'm not sure why you'd need to do this unless you need to use the server
> as a router.
>
> You probably should explain the nature of your connection and network a
> little better.  Is it purely a web hosting network?  Or a company LAN -
> with or without Internet-facing servers such as web and email servers?


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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Adam Haskell]

Ah i see it in a new light now $3 more per month is nothing compared
to a couple thousand upfront just to start...That would make a
difference..I think somewhere along the lines I lost the original
intent. I was just trying to argue,  read work avoidance.

Adam H


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:00:02 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wasn't implying getting into a price war with php, I was simply implying to 
> eductate those php users that don't realize that chances are pretty good that 
> using coldfusion is a viable option to php with really no cost to them. A 
> majority of them really think that they will have to fork out a few grand 
> just too use it, which simply isn't true at all.
> 
> 
> From: "John Munyan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:42 PM
> To: CF-Talk 
> Subject: RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
> 
> One of the things I have learned about business development in a course I 
> have taken concerns lifetime value of customers. Initially an emerging 
> technology business tries to gain traction with a certain niche which serves 
> as an anchor to a wider segment. Initially focus is key, then as things 
> diversify generalization takes over and share is maximized with low margins. 
> Lastly, a revaluation of customers is done as a business reaches maturity. At 
> this point, it is key to determine where your revenues are derived from. 
> Roughly 80% of revenue is made from 20% of customers (or something like 
> that). The lowest quartile (most price sensitive customers) should be cleared 
> from the reams they actually cost money to carry. At this point it is also 
> key to differentiate you product or service along dimensions other than price.
> 
> Thus my take, if I was MM I would not be drawn into a price war with PHP and 
> open source and instead highlight the aspects of CF which diversify it from 
> the open source offerings. I would be interested to know the breakdown of 
> hosting by cost. Also would be very interested in the margins associated with 
> these classes of customers.
> If the ease of use and rapid development et.al doesn't command a premium then 
> by association there is no 'added value'. And having used the produce for a 
> couple years would assert it certainly demands a premium - I find it's 
> function very compelling. You want a 'superior good' it will cost more.
> 
> I could go on but this is probably getting way off topic.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed 2/9/2005 1:42 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
> 
> Adam,
> 
> Did you check the list I posted earlier? There were several ColdFusion hosts
> under 10 dollars listed on it.
> 
> - Calvin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:18 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
> 
> Yes 3 dollars big deal I agree but some would not. Alternatively what
> if I said CF has 30% premium to host..sounds a bit different. You can
> dimish the value of anything, the opposite applies too. My point is
> the price of hosting is more expensive for Coldfusion and that does
> make a difference to people, maybe not you or me, but we know the
> extra benifits CF has and $3 is nothing...to the Graphic artist or new
> to the web type of guy that goes to findawebhost.com (or some host
> comparison place) and sees a PHP host for 3 bucks or a CF host for $7
> or $10 then where do you think he is going to go?
> 
> My main point is that you can't say that it costs the same for a CF
> site as it does for a PHP site in a shared hosting enviroment.
> 
> Adam H
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0500, dave  wrote:
> > oh geez! thats getting a little bit nit picky dont you think?
> > lets see my clients host at hostmysite.com
> > its $133.55 a yr that = $11.13 a month with free domain name (smarter
> power plan)
> > and you cant argue that they are not a good host!
> >
> > I can already see the php crowd drooling over this
> > "BUT ITS $3 CHEAPER A MONTH TO HOST IT!!"
> >
> > OMG!!! i can switch to php and retire at the end of the year!!
> hurrayyy
> 
> 

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Business Case for a 4.5 -> 7 upgrade

[Duncan I Loxton]

Hi everyone,

I have taken the opportunity to strike on the new version of CFMX and
get the ailing company I work for to drag themselves into the new
century with a spanking new version of CF.  This means getting the
money out of the Board and convincing them that its worth it, by means
of a business case documentation.

Now we run our internal mission critical app on 4.5, our intranet on
6.1 and 5 odd websites on 4.5.  We have CF server crashes more than
you can imagine, and I hope 7 will be able to go some way to helping
us out.

As you can all imagine we fight on a daily basis with the server,
reporting and pagination etc etc

The reasons I have so far (which I would like verified):
Multiple instances of the server can be clustered - in effect
performing failover - therfore reliability
improved reporting using flash
multi part forms in flash with tabs
Printability in flash and pdf generation
development time decreased
ability to move into apps via sms, and onto mobile devices
better comm via web services.

Are there any other really good reasons (from a Chief Exec level) that
would be great to convince them to change?

I hope this will promote a bit of dialogue, I am certainly interested
as to what great reasons I can give.

Thanks!

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RE: Firewall question

[Justin D. Scott]

> What I am try to figure out is what exactly is
> the safest configuration.


> What seems to be the last remaining question is
> whether I want to route all internet traffic
> through my single server or whether I should not.

If you have a hardware firewall, routing all traffic through a dedicated
software firewall isn't going to help you much and may introduce problems
because you will need to remember to make configuration changes twice.  It
also adds another component that can be a single point of failure.  If you
have a hardware firewall in the budget, here's what I'd likely do...

INET --> Router --> Firewall --> Switch/HUB --> Servers

The "Firewall" here can be either a dedicated hardware firewall (Sonicwall,
PIX, etc.), or a dedicated server with a software firewall on it.  I've used
OpenBSD with a software firewall (pf or ipf I forget which) and interface
bridging before and it works well if you have a relatively small group of
servers to protect and have the time to dedicate to learning the software.
If you have the money I'd go with a hardware appliance though for a variety
of reasons.


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RE: weee regex

[Ewok]

WOA! I think I got it...

str = rereplace(str,
"https?:)\/\/)|(www\.|ftp\.))[-[:alnum:]\?%,\.\/&##!@:=\+~_]+[A-Za-z0-9\
/])(?!((?!\[img\]).)*?\[/img\])", "\1",
"ALL");

now lets see if I can break it!

-Original Message-
From: Ewok [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:15 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: weee regex

These large regular expressions drive me nuts!

I've got this regex (can’t remember where but I definitely didn’t write it.

str = rereplace(str,
"https?:)\/\/)|(www\.|ftp\.))[-[:alnum:]\?%,\.\/&##!@:=\+~_]+[A-Za-z0-9\
/])", "\1", "ALL");  


It works well. It will replace anything that matches the form of a url with
the appropriate html to make it active and open in a new window.

My problem is that I don’t want it to replace links that fall between [img]
and [/img] tags

eg I would want this link skipped
[img]http://www.google.com/logos/lunarnewyear05.gif[/img]

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Re: Uploaded .doc files using cffile, now I need to 'scrape' the data from the files

[Jon Austin]

Quick, dirty and nasty?

Pass the document through strings and store the output.

http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/misc.shtml#strings

Regards,

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RE:

[Justin D. Scott]

> I don't see anything like that.

Do you have any diagrams with lines connecting the tables?  Those lines
usually create constraints that would cause fields to throw errors if you
try to drop them.  Also, IIRC, when you change the field type in SQL Server
it actually creates a new temporary column, moves the database, drops the
original, and then renames the temp to whatever the source column was
called.  It follows that if there is a constraint you would not be able to
change the data type.

It's been a while since I had to mess with the innards of SQL Server, so I
could be mistaken.


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RE: Firewall question

[Andy Ousterhout]

Jim,
What I am try to figure out is what exactly is the safest configuration.
What seems to be the last remaining question is whether I want to route all
internet traffic through my single server or whether I should not.

Config 1  Firewall --->NT Server --> Hub
Config 2 Firewall --->Hub -->NT Server

What do folks out there think?

-Original Message-
From: Jim McAteeon


>I think the most secure arrangement is to:
>
> 1.  Replace router with hardware Firewall Solution (adding VPN at same
> time
> ::-))

You might not necessarily be able to replace your router.  Depends a bit
on the actual connection.  For instance if you currently had a T1 and a
Cisco router with a T1 CSU/DSU module then you'll still need the router to
make T1 connection.  Similarly, with DSL, you need a router capable of
making the DSL connection.  That said, there _are_ combo boxes that can
terminate the connection, and act as router, firewall and VPN endpoint.

> 2.  Go from Firewall solution to NTServer running Firewall software

If your server is truly "behind" the firewall on an internal network, you
can dispense with running firewall software on the server itself.  There
probably aren't many shops running firewall software on things like file
and print servers on their LAN.

Only if the server is Internet-facing might you need to worry about this.
But while defense in depth is a good philosophy, it can sometimes be a
PITA to manage.  For instance if you add a new service on some odd IP port
then you need to open a hole through both your outer firewall and any
software firewall on the server itself.  Personally, if I thought I had a
reliable hardware firewall between my Internet-facing servers _and_ I
trusted my ability to administer the firewall then I wouldn't run a
software firewall on any of those servers.

> 3.  Go from NTServer to rest of internal network.

I'm not sure why you'd need to do this unless you need to use the server
as a router.

You probably should explain the nature of your connection and network a
little better.  Is it purely a web hosting network?  Or a company LAN -
with or without Internet-facing servers such as web and email servers?




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weee regex

[Ewok]

These large regular expressions drive me nuts!

I've got this regex (can’t remember where but I definitely didn’t write it.

str = rereplace(str,
"https?:)\/\/)|(www\.|ftp\.))[-[:alnum:]\?%,\.\/&##!@:=\+~_]+[A-Za-z0-9\
/])", "\1", "ALL");  


It works well. It will replace anything that matches the form of a url with
the appropriate html to make it active and open in a new window.

My problem is that I don’t want it to replace links that fall between [img]
and [/img] tags

eg I would want this link skipped
[img]http://www.google.com/logos/lunarnewyear05.gif[/img]

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Re: Some basic CFC stuff

[Sean Corfield]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:03:46 -0500, Yexley Robert D Contr AFRL/PROE
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1) Does anyone know where I can find some *good* documentation, or maybe even 
> a good book, that covers CFC concepts?

The CFMX 7 documentation contains a lot of new stuff so you might look
in there. There's a lot of CFC stuff on the Macromedia Developer
Center. Otherwise the Mach II Development Guide has some good basic OO
stuff (as well as Mach II stuff):

http://livedocs.macromedia.com/wtg/public/machiidevguide/

Expect to see a couple of books on OO for CFers come out this year...

> So at this point, I want to create my third function, called 
> UnlockUserRecords, and I want to call these other two functions from within 
> in, and I'm not exactly sure how to go about doing that. Here's what I have 
> so far, but I'm fairly certain that it won't work as I have it now.

Why are you fairly certain it won't work?

Michael Dawson correctly pointed out that you need to 'var' declare
your variables and then there's another curiosity here:

>  GetUsersLockedRecords(arguments.username) />
> 

You don't need that - you can just loop over the query anyway.

> 
> UnlockFile(lockedFiles.username, 
> lockedFiles.project_folder, lockedFiles.project_file)

You mean lockedRecords.xxx instead of lockedFiles.xxx don't you?

> 
> 

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Re:

[Nick Baker]

At 04:35 PM 2/9/2005, you wrote:
>Nick Baker wrote:
> >
> > Error Occurred While Processing Request
> > Error Executing Database Query.
> > [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]The object
> > 'DF__HartGrap__Horiz__123EB7A3' is dependent on column 'HorizMark'.
>
>You probably have an index or foreign key on the field that you
>need to drop first.
>
>Jochem




Jochem,

I don't see anything like that. At least that I understand, as I am new to 
SQL. Below is the code that originally created the table. I am able to 
change HorizMark from "NOT NULL" to "NULL". That is no big deal except 
suggests to me the rest of the query appears valid.


CREATE TABLE HartGraph (
 IDNumb int NOT NULL default 0,
 HorizMark  int NOT NULL default 0,
)

CREATE INDEX HartGraphIDX
 ON HartGraph (IDNumb)



Executing the following

 SELECT *  FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES

Resulted in the following

Ordinal Position:  2
Column Name:  HorizMark
Data Type:   int
Column Default:  (0)
Maximum Length
Datetime Precison
Table Catalog:  Loyalguard
Table Name:  HartGraph
Table Schema:  dbo


How would I recognize a foreign key?

Thanks,

Nick




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RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[dave]

I wasn't implying getting into a price war with php, I was simply implying to 
eductate those php users that don't realize that chances are pretty good that 
using coldfusion is a viable option to php with really no cost to them. A 
majority of them really think that they will have to fork out a few grand just 
too use it, which simply isn't true at all.


From: "John Munyan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:42 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown 

One of the things I have learned about business development in a course I have 
taken concerns lifetime value of customers. Initially an emerging technology 
business tries to gain traction with a certain niche which serves as an anchor 
to a wider segment. Initially focus is key, then as things diversify 
generalization takes over and share is maximized with low margins. Lastly, a 
revaluation of customers is done as a business reaches maturity. At this point, 
it is key to determine where your revenues are derived from. Roughly 80% of 
revenue is made from 20% of customers (or something like that). The lowest 
quartile (most price sensitive customers) should be cleared from the reams they 
actually cost money to carry. At this point it is also key to differentiate you 
product or service along dimensions other than price.

Thus my take, if I was MM I would not be drawn into a price war with PHP and 
open source and instead highlight the aspects of CF which diversify it from the 
open source offerings. I would be interested to know the breakdown of hosting 
by cost. Also would be very interested in the margins associated with these 
classes of customers.
If the ease of use and rapid development et.al doesn't command a premium then 
by association there is no 'added value'. And having used the produce for a 
couple years would assert it certainly demands a premium - I find it's function 
very compelling. You want a 'superior good' it will cost more.

I could go on but this is probably getting way off topic.

John



From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 2/9/2005 1:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

Adam,

Did you check the list I posted earlier? There were several ColdFusion hosts
under 10 dollars listed on it.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

Yes 3 dollars big deal I agree but some would not. Alternatively what
if I said CF has 30% premium to host..sounds a bit different. You can
dimish the value of anything, the opposite applies too. My point is
the price of hosting is more expensive for Coldfusion and that does
make a difference to people, maybe not you or me, but we know the
extra benifits CF has and $3 is nothing...to the Graphic artist or new
to the web type of guy that goes to findawebhost.com (or some host
comparison place) and sees a PHP host for 3 bucks or a CF host for $7
or $10 then where do you think he is going to go?

My main point is that you can't say that it costs the same for a CF
site as it does for a PHP site in a shared hosting enviroment.

Adam H

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0500, dave  wrote:
> oh geez! thats getting a little bit nit picky dont you think?
> lets see my clients host at hostmysite.com
> its $133.55 a yr that = $11.13 a month with free domain name (smarter
power plan)
> and you cant argue that they are not a good host!
>
> I can already see the php crowd drooling over this
> "BUT ITS $3 CHEAPER A MONTH TO HOST IT!!"
>
> OMG!!! i can switch to php and retire at the end of the year!!
hurrayyy



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Re: Firewall question

[Jim McAtee]

- Original Message - 
From: "Andy Ousterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: Firewall question


>I think the most secure arrangement is to:
>
> 1.  Replace router with hardware Firewall Solution (adding VPN at same 
> time
> ::-))

You might not necessarily be able to replace your router.  Depends a bit 
on the actual connection.  For instance if you currently had a T1 and a 
Cisco router with a T1 CSU/DSU module then you'll still need the router to 
make T1 connection.  Similarly, with DSL, you need a router capable of 
making the DSL connection.  That said, there _are_ combo boxes that can 
terminate the connection, and act as router, firewall and VPN endpoint.

> 2.  Go from Firewall solution to NTServer running Firewall software

If your server is truly "behind" the firewall on an internal network, you 
can dispense with running firewall software on the server itself.  There 
probably aren't many shops running firewall software on things like file 
and print servers on their LAN.

Only if the server is Internet-facing might you need to worry about this. 
But while defense in depth is a good philosophy, it can sometimes be a 
PITA to manage.  For instance if you add a new service on some odd IP port 
then you need to open a hole through both your outer firewall and any 
software firewall on the server itself.  Personally, if I thought I had a 
reliable hardware firewall between my Internet-facing servers _and_ I 
trusted my ability to administer the firewall then I wouldn't run a 
software firewall on any of those servers.

> 3.  Go from NTServer to rest of internal network.

I'm not sure why you'd need to do this unless you need to use the server 
as a router.

You probably should explain the nature of your connection and network a 
little better.  Is it purely a web hosting network?  Or a company LAN - 
with or without Internet-facing servers such as web and email servers?


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Problems with javax.mail (Classpath issue?)

[Kyle Singer]

Hello,

I'm using the javax.mail objects to do some .mht (mime formatted web 
archive) file decoding and all is well on my OS X dev server and our 
Linux test server. However, on our production server I am seeing some 
weird results:

I have a javax.mail.internet.MimeMessage object and I'm calling the 
getContent() method. When it works properly I either get a string back 
for simple .mht files or a javax.mail.internet.MimeMultipart object for 
..mht files with images and other embedded files. However on our 
production server I get back com.sun.mail.util.QPDecoderStream for 
simple files and com.sun.mail.util.SharedByteArrayInputStream for the 
complex ones.

The one big difference between the production and test ColdFusion 
servers is our production server was upgraded from 6.0 to 6.1 whereas 
our test servers were a clean 6.1 install.

I've done a basic diff on the coldfusionmx/lib folders to see if there 
were some old .jars from the 6.0 install and there seemed to be, but 
even after moving them the problem still exists. Both mail.jar files are 
identical. Both are running 1.4.2 JRE. I don't know if this is a 
classpath issue, or ... ?

Are there any ColdFusion Java gurus out there? :)

Thanks in advance!
--Kyle


-- 

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RE: Homesite+ Tag Updates for CFMX7

[Dawson, Michael]

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/downloads/

This has the HS+ and DW updates.

I found the link on the HS forums right after I posted.

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RE: Homesite+ Tag Updates for CFMX7

[Mike Nicholls]

The Dreamweaver stuff is at
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/coldfusion/7/dwextend/dwmx2004_extensions
_for_cfmx7.mxp - both are linked from
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/downloads/  

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Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 11:50 a.m.
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Homesite+ Tag Updates for CFMX7

I couldn't find them either and I was also looking for any DW stuff 



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From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 9:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Homesite+ Tag Updates for CFMX7

Does anyone know where the Homesite+ tag updates for CFMX7 are?

Thanks!





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RE: Homesite+ Tag Updates for CFMX7

[Parker, Kevin]

I couldn't find them either and I was also looking for any DW stuff 



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RE: Homesite+ Tag Updates for CFMX7

[Mike Nicholls]

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/coldfusion/7/hsextend/hsplus_extensions_f
or_cfmx7.zip 

-Original Message-
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Homesite+ Tag Updates for CFMX7

[Dawson, Michael]

Does anyone know where the Homesite+ tag updates for CFMX7 are?

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RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[John Munyan]

One of the things I have learned about business development in a course I have 
taken concerns lifetime value of customers.  Initially an emerging technology 
business tries to gain traction with a certain niche which serves as an anchor 
to a wider segment.  Initially focus is key, then as things diversify 
generalization takes over and share is maximized with low margins.  Lastly, a 
revaluation of customers is done as a business reaches maturity.  At this 
point, it is key to determine where your revenues are derived from.  Roughly 
80% of revenue is made from 20% of customers (or something like that).  The 
lowest quartile (most price sensitive customers) should be cleared from the 
reams they actually cost money to carry.  At this point it is also key to 
differentiate you product or service along dimensions other than price.
 
Thus my take, if I was MM I would not be drawn into a price war with PHP and 
open source and instead highlight the aspects of CF which diversify it from the 
open source offerings.  I would be interested to know the breakdown of hosting 
by cost.  Also would be very interested in the margins associated with these 
classes of customers.
If the ease of use and rapid development et.al doesn't command a premium then 
by association there is no 'added value'.  And having used the produce for a 
couple years would assert it certainly demands a premium - I find it's function 
very compelling.  You want a 'superior good' it will cost more.
 
I could go on but this is probably getting way off topic.
 
John



From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 2/9/2005 1:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown



Adam,

Did you check the list I posted earlier? There were several ColdFusion hosts
under 10 dollars listed on it.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

Yes 3 dollars big deal I agree but some would not. Alternatively what
if I said CF has 30% premium to host..sounds a bit different. You can
dimish the value of anything, the opposite applies too.  My point is
the price of hosting is more expensive for Coldfusion and that does
make a difference to people, maybe not you or me, but we know the
extra benifits CF has and $3 is nothing...to the Graphic artist or new
to the web type of guy that goes to findawebhost.com (or some host
comparison place) and sees a PHP host for 3 bucks or a CF host for $7
or $10 then  where do you think he is going to go?

My main point is that you can't say that it costs the same for a CF
site as it does for a PHP site in a shared hosting enviroment.

Adam H


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> oh geez! thats getting a little bit nit picky dont you think?
> lets see my clients host at hostmysite.com
> its $133.55 a yr that = $11.13 a month with free domain name (smarter
power plan)
> and you cant argue that they are not a good host!
>
> I can already see the php crowd drooling over this
> "BUT ITS $3 CHEAPER A MONTH TO HOST IT!!"
>
> OMG!!! i can switch to php and retire at the end of the year!!
hurrayyy





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weee regex

[Ewok]

These large regular expressions drive me nuts!

I've got this regex (can’t remember where but I definitely didn’t write it.

str = rereplace(str,
"https?:)\/\/)|(www\.|ftp\.))[-[:alnum:]\?%,\.\/&##!@:=\+~_]+[A-Za-z0-9\
/])", "\1", "ALL");  


It works well. It will replace anything that matches the form of a url with
the appropriate html to make it active and open in a new window.

My problem is that I don’t want it to replace links that fall between [img]
and [/img] tags

eg I would want this link skipped 
[img]http://www.google.com/logos/lunarnewyear05.gif[/img]

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Re:

[Jochem van Dieten]

Nick Baker wrote:
> 
> Error Occurred While Processing Request
> Error Executing Database Query.
> [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]The object 
> 'DF__HartGrap__Horiz__123EB7A3' is dependent on column 'HorizMark'.

You probably have an index or foreign key on the field that you 
need to drop first.

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Re: COM Object Method Not Found (Cybersource)

[Dain Anderson]

Hi Joseph,

The RunTransaction() method, apparently, wants actual object references, 
even if they're "nothing":


oMerchantConfig = CreateObject("COM", "CyberSourceWS.MerchantConfig");
oProxyConfig = CreateObject("COM", "CyberSourceWS.ProxyConfig");
oLogger = CreateObject("COM", "CyberSourceWS.Logger");
oClient = CreateObject("COM", "CyberSourceWS.Client");
oRequest = CreateObject("COM", "CyberSourceWS.Hashtable");

oRequest.Value("ccAuthService_run", "true");
oRequest.Value("billTo_firstName", "Dain");
oRequest.Value("billTo_lastName", "Anderson");
oRequest.Value("billTo_street1", "501 W Franklin St.");
oRequest.Value("billTo_street2", "Suite 105");
oRequest.Value("billTo_city", "Chapel Hill");
oRequest.Value("billTo_state", "NC");
oRequest.Value("billTo_postalCode", "27514");
oRequest.Value("billTo_country", "US");
oRequest.Value("billTo_email", "[EMAIL PROTECTED]");
oRequest.Value("card_accountNumber", "4111");
oRequest.Value("card_expirationMonth", "12");
oRequest.Value("card_expirationYear", "2010");
oRequest.Value("purchaseTotals_currency", "USD");
oRequest.Value("item_0_unitPrice", "8.08");
oRequest.Value("item_1_unitPrice", "19.73");

nStatus = oClient.RunTransaction(oMerchantConfig, oProxyConfig, oLogger, 
oRequest, "varReply", "strErrorInfo");  

WriteOutput(nStatus);


Hope that helps,

-Dain


Joseph Potenza wrote:
> I am working with Cybersource (such a pain!) and I took their ASP code and
> re-wrote it line by line in CF, and I got SO close to making it 
> work..They have a COM object CyberSourceWS.Client that has a method 
> "RunTransaction" that does a credit card transaction.  All my calls to 
> methods in their other objects were actually calling "get properties" as 
> CFDUMP calls them.  The only things listed under a CFDUMP for the  
> CyberSourceWS.Client object are Methods, which I would assume means I can 
> call them using myComponentName.Method()  or by using CFINVOKE.  Neither of 
> these methods work;  they both produce this error: " The
> selected method RunTransaction was not found"
> 
>  An interesting item to note is that the ASP code is passing in previously
> created components into this method call.  When I try that  it throws this
> error: " An exception occurred when executing a Com method.
>  The cause of this exception was that: AutomationException: 0x8000 - ."
> 
>  The code for that part is as follows:
> 
>  oClient = CreateObject("COM","CyberSourceWS.Client");
>  oClient.RunTransaction(merchantConfig, "", "",oRequest,varReply,strErrorInfo)
> 
>  (where merchantConfig and oRequest are both previously created components )
> 
>  Any ideas?  I've been going crazy over this searching google, google groups, 
> and macromedia forums.
> 
>  Joe Potenza
>  Lead Developer
>  Bigbuzz Internet Business Solutions
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  http://www.bigbuzz.com
> 
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cf-talk@houseoffusion.com

[Nick Baker]

MS SQL 2000
CFMX 6.1


I need to correct a DB column by converting an Integer to a VARCHAR. I 
don't understand the error.
Data does exists in the DB.

HorizMark int (0)
to
HorizMark VARCHAR( 20 ) NULL

Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks,

Nick



1. The code


ALTER TABLE HartGraph
ALTER COLUMN HorizMark VARCHAR( 20 ) NULL



2. The error message

Error Occurred While Processing Request
Error Executing Database Query.
[Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]The object 
'DF__HartGrap__Horiz__123EB7A3' is dependent on column 'HorizMark'.


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Re: CFEverywhere Breeze Presentation

[Mike Kear]

Thanks Troy, I would really appreciate that.  

Cheers
Mike Kear
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Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:38:46 -0500, Troy Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> There were some technical issues and the meeting wasn't recorded.  I'm
> trying to work out something so we can re-do the presentation and
> record it.  I'll let you know if that happens.
> 
> -t
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Re: Firewall question

[Jochem van Dieten]

Dave Watts wrote:
> 
> It's basically "URLScan Lite", I guess:
> http://www.windowsitpro.com/Windows/Article/ArticleID/39979/39979.html

I like those features much better. They are generally finer 
grained and more integrated.


> But actually, I'm curious why you think URLScan is evil. We're using it in
> some situations without any serious problems.

Because I strongly believe that filtering URLs (request headers) 
the way URLScan does is the wrong approach. Don't filter for what 
is not allowed, that is a rats race you are not going to win. 
Allow what you want to allow. In IIS 6 that is integrated with 
the everything off defaults for MIME types, extensions etc. I 
specifically have to allow things before they wil work.

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RE: Firewall question

[Ben Rogers]

> Second that. Even the content filtering of URLScan is evil. The
> only thing I use on the webservers themselves is IPSec policies.

Though I think IPSec policies are fine, I find that URLScan is an invaluable
utility on Windows Server 2000 boxes. At this point, I wouldn't run a
Windows Server 2000 web server without it installed.

That said, URLScan can be a pain to troubleshoot. I've gotten into the habit
of checking the URLScan log files whenever I encounter bizarre behavior or
non-descript errors.

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Migrating to MX 7 from CF5

[Ali Awan]

I am interested to hear about people's experiences migrating from CF 5.0 to MX 
7.0

I'm considering making the leap, having tested the code on MX6.  

Thanks in advance,
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Re: how to display data in two select boxes where the second one's display depends on the first one

[Discover Antartica]

MX. Just installed MX 7 on another machine though. Will the solution to MX not 
work on MX 7?

Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:if you look on the dev exchange on MMs 
website there are a few custom
tags...are you looking for an MX or MX 7 solution though? That could
change the situation greatly :)


Adam H


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:26:39 -0800 (PST), Discover Antartica
wrote:
> I want to display the data in two select boxes. For example, I want to 
> display two select boxes. In the first one I want to display the list of the 
> category of employees (like full time, part time, contract, etc)
> 
> On the second select list i want to display the list of employees in that 
> category. For example, if the user clicks on the part time then the second 
> box should display all part time employees only.
> 
> Is there a easy way for this?
> 
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Re:_wits_end_"The_argument_PRODUCTID_passed_to_function_ displayProductItem()_is_not_of_type_numeric._"

[S . Isaac Dealey]

> Ok i have some very basic code which passes variables to a
> funtion.
> i've confirmed that the value for productid is 100031.

> my code looks like this.

> #displayProductItem(q_getWhatsNew.productid,q_getWhatsNew.
> name,productPriceData,picThumbNail)#

> i keep getting the error that my value productid being
> passing in is
> not numeric, but if i output it before the function and
> cfabort it i
> see "productid=100031"...

> ANYONE have any idea how i can force CF to see this value
> as a number?

trim(q_getWhatsNew.productid)

or

val(trim(q_getWhatsNew.productid))

If the query is created (rather than gathered from the db -- yea, I
know, not very likely) it's possible (although again not likely) that
the output="true" problem with cffunction might have something to do
with it.


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RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Calvin Ward]

Adam,

Did you check the list I posted earlier? There were several ColdFusion hosts
under 10 dollars listed on it.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Adam Haskell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

Yes 3 dollars big deal I agree but some would not. Alternatively what
if I said CF has 30% premium to host..sounds a bit different. You can
dimish the value of anything, the opposite applies too.  My point is
the price of hosting is more expensive for Coldfusion and that does
make a difference to people, maybe not you or me, but we know the
extra benifits CF has and $3 is nothing...to the Graphic artist or new
to the web type of guy that goes to findawebhost.com (or some host
comparison place) and sees a PHP host for 3 bucks or a CF host for $7
or $10 then  where do you think he is going to go?

My main point is that you can't say that it costs the same for a CF
site as it does for a PHP site in a shared hosting enviroment.

Adam H


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> oh geez! thats getting a little bit nit picky dont you think?
> lets see my clients host at hostmysite.com
> its $133.55 a yr that = $11.13 a month with free domain name (smarter
power plan)
> and you cant argue that they are not a good host!
> 
> I can already see the php crowd drooling over this
> "BUT ITS $3 CHEAPER A MONTH TO HOST IT!!"
> 
> OMG!!! i can switch to php and retire at the end of the year!!
hurrayyy



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Re: CFMX7 and DevNet

[dave]

i am not sure why your suprised by that!
 Hasn't anyone noticed that when someone on here has a concern(with MM) and 
takes it to the right channels that it gets handles very well and very quickly!
 then others just moan about it and say they do stuff but they don't.
 Personally, i think they are very responsive!
 heck, I even got a call today from them(MM) thanking me for being a beta 
tester and personally letting me know that they will be here next week to go 
over cfmx 7.
 I was kinda floored :) I use hosted services but they still took the time too 
do it & followed up with an email, very nice MM, thanks!!

 btw~ anyone in the colorado area that wants the info (date & directions) to 
this event, please hit me up off list and i will give it to you.


From: "Cutter (CF related)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:15 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: CFMX7 and DevNet 

As promised, I sent an email to the address that Christian had provided 
to me (very similar in content to my original post starting this 
thread). Two minutes later (I'm not kidding folks) I received a call 
from Alicia with DevNet support. After reading my "well thought out" 
email (she doesn't know me;) she decided that, rather than send me an 
email she would find a phone number for me and call me personally to 
respond. To skip all of the fat and get right to the juice for you true 
believers out there, Alicia has informed me that CFMX 7 will be up in 
the DevNet Downloads area by Friday.

I am actually touched and overwhelmed by Macromedia's responsiveness to 
me personally, and the community as a whole. This makes me much more 
comfortable than I was after the response given to my vendor/reseller 
(boy will she be jealous;). I told Alicia that I was going to post this 
information here to the advantage of the community at large (or at least 
us folks who frequent anyway).

Cutter (CF related) wrote:

>Christian,
>
>Thanks for your response.
>
>1) As I noted previously, the developer portion I mentioned really 
>doesn't pertain to my situation so much (as I am our sole developer), 
>but it was worth noting for larger development shops who may have found 
>that an advantage. I'll need to re-read that license at some point, I 
>would be curious to see if each developer needs to have a licensed 
>devnet subscription, or if one licensed devnet subscription and several 
>licensed studio mx copies would suffice (since every developer having a 
>devnet subscription might have been overkill).
>2) The second scenario is very applicable in my situation, hence my line 
>of questioning and my major advantage with the devnet edition (I'll be 
>very unhappy when my subscription expires).
>3) I'll contact the address you provided and hopefully I can get a 
>straight answer. I appreciate your response to my questions, and I'll 
>definitely post to this list once I've gotten an answer.
>
>I've never personally mentioned it before, but I'm sure many of us on 
>this list appreciate your participation in our discussions here. I know 
>I do. Thanks for all of your help.
>
>Cutter
>
>
>
> 
>

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Re: how to display data in two select boxes where the second one's display depends on the first one

[Adam Haskell]

if you look on the dev exchange on MMs website there are a few custom
tags...are you looking for an MX or MX 7 solution though? That could
change the situation greatly :)


Adam H


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:26:39 -0800 (PST), Discover Antartica
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to display the data in two select boxes.  For example, I want to 
> display two select boxes. In the first one I want to display the list of the 
> category of employees (like full time, part time, contract, etc)
> 
> On the second select list i want to display the list of employees in that 
> category. For example, if the user clicks on the part time then the second 
> box should display all part time employees only.
> 
> Is there a easy way for this?
> 
> 

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RE: Firewall question

[Dave Watts]

> Which feature are you refering to exactly?

It's basically "URLScan Lite", I guess:
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Windows/Article/ArticleID/39979/39979.html

But actually, I'm curious why you think URLScan is evil. We're using it in
some situations without any serious problems.

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Re: how to display data in two select boxes where the second one's display depends on the first one

[Ron Gowen]

SELECT 
category.category,
fruit_veggie.name
FROM
category
INNER JOIN 
fruit_veggie
ON
category.categoryID = fruit_veggie.categoryID



SELECT 
*
FROM
category





var myArray = new Array();

  
myArray['#cat.category[i]#'] = new Array();



myArray['#cat.category[i]#'][myArray['#cat.category[i]#'].length]
= '#veegan.name[j]#';





function fillThatBox(theCategory) {
alert(theCategory);
document.fuz.items.options.length = 0;
for(var i=0;i wrote:
> I want to display the data in two select boxes.  For example, I want to 
> display two select boxes. In the first one I want to display the list of the 
> category of employees (like full time, part time, contract, etc)
> 
> On the second select list i want to display the list of employees in that 
> category. For example, if the user clicks on the part time then the second 
> box should display all part time employees only.
> 
> Is there a easy way for this?
> 
> 

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RE: Firewall question

[Dave Watts]

> Correct, the router, if configured correctly, will make your 
> internal network appear nonexistant to the outsider.  It 
> generally does not reply to requests made to the most-hackable 
> ports and protocols.  It does act as sort of a firewall.

I'll admit to being a bit nit-picky here, but while it may be true that most
available routers provide network address translation and firewall
functionality, that's not what a router does, strictly speaking. A router
just routs traffic from one network to another.

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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[dave]

while that might be true, its not that noticable and if they already are aware 
of cfm and the more they get then its no big twang at all.

 and quite frankly my personal feelings are ppl that are too damn cheap like 
that aren't worth a lick anyway, cause thats just plain stupidity

 but i know what ur saying, just like when they choose php and go to the $2 a 
month host and they think they are the snitz. until it breaks and they cant 
get ahold of anyone too fix it. I have to deal with ppl like that all the time! 
I don't get why anyone with half a damn brain can't figure out that when their 
web host doesnt have a phone # listed on their site that something is seriously 
wrong with that! Sure it's $2 a month but its probably some kid using an 
ancient puter that hes running his warez site off of and decided he'd make a 
lil extra money for his crack habit.

 quote
    

Don't use cheap tools. Remember, a professional auto mechanic might own tools 
valued at over $100,000. Should a professional settle for less? What does that 
say about their attention to quality and professionalism? Professionals use 
tools like Adobe Photoshop, Macromedia Freehand, Illustrator, and Ultra-Dev. 
The amateurs use amateur tools like Paintshop Pro and Front Page. 

There might only be a small difference in quality about the way Photoshop 
handles anti-aliasing or the way Dreamweaver handles code validation, but 
compound that difference over a whole Website, and it becomes obvious to most. 


From: Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:16 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown 

Yes 3 dollars big deal I agree but some would not. Alternatively what
if I said CF has 30% premium to host..sounds a bit different. You can
dimish the value of anything, the opposite applies too. My point is
the price of hosting is more expensive for Coldfusion and that does
make a difference to people, maybe not you or me, but we know the
extra benifits CF has and $3 is nothing...to the Graphic artist or new
to the web type of guy that goes to findawebhost.com (or some host
comparison place) and sees a PHP host for 3 bucks or a CF host for $7
or $10 then where do you think he is going to go?

My main point is that you can't say that it costs the same for a CF
site as it does for a PHP site in a shared hosting enviroment.

Adam H

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0500, dave  wrote:
> oh geez! thats getting a little bit nit picky dont you think?
> lets see my clients host at hostmysite.com
> its $133.55 a yr that = $11.13 a month with free domain name (smarter power 
> plan)
> and you cant argue that they are not a good host!
> 
> I can already see the php crowd drooling over this
> "BUT ITS $3 CHEAPER A MONTH TO HOST IT!!"
> 
> OMG!!! i can switch to php and retire at the end of the year!! hurrayyy



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RE: how to display data in two select boxes where the second one's display depends on the first one

[Adkins, Randy]

Look for TwoSelectsRelated tag in the Exchange
I have used it in the past along with ThreeSelectsRelated 

-Original Message-
From: Discover Antartica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: how to display data in two select boxes where the second one's
display depends on the first one

I want to display the data in two select boxes.  For example, I want to
display two select boxes. In the first one I want to display the list of
the category of employees (like full time, part time, contract, etc)
 
On the second select list i want to display the list of employees in
that category. For example, if the user clicks on the part time then the
second box should display all part time employees only.
 
Is there a easy way for this?
 
 






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how to display data in two select boxes where the second one's display depends on the first one

[Discover Antartica]

I want to display the data in two select boxes.  For example, I want to display 
two select boxes. In the first one I want to display the list of the category 
of employees (like full time, part time, contract, etc)
 
On the second select list i want to display the list of employees in that 
category. For example, if the user clicks on the part time then the second box 
should display all part time employees only.
 
Is there a easy way for this?
 
 




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Re: Firewall question

[Jochem van Dieten]

Dave Watts wrote:
>> Second that. Even the content filtering of URLScan is evil. 
>> The only thing I use on the webservers themselves is IPSec 
>> policies.
> 
> Jochem, what do you think of the built-in content filtering that IIS 6
> provides?

Which feature are you refering to exactly?

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Re: Is there a way to disable the case sensitivity in

[S . Isaac Dealey]

> The SQL standard says:
> - unquoted identifiers should be converted to uppercase
> and then
> matched to objects in the database
> - quoted identifiers should be literally matched to
> objects in
> the database
> - identifier quoting is done by double quotes

> So technically Oracle does the right thing.

> Jochem

Which would be AWESOME if that were true of MySQL and other
databases... :-/

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Re: Uploaded .doc files using cffile, now I need to 'scrape' the data from the files

[Pete Ruckelshaus]

This article is a few years old but it might still be relevant --
http://cfregex.com/cfcomet/Word/index.cfm?ArticleID=B70AD80E-3DAF-4CDC-AEA1E8059FD78D43
-- part of the project that I am currently working on involves
stripping text out of word docs and I was going to play around with
this approach.

If you try it, let me know if it works.

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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Adam Haskell]

Yes 3 dollars big deal I agree but some would not. Alternatively what
if I said CF has 30% premium to host..sounds a bit different. You can
dimish the value of anything, the opposite applies too.  My point is
the price of hosting is more expensive for Coldfusion and that does
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extra benifits CF has and $3 is nothing...to the Graphic artist or new
to the web type of guy that goes to findawebhost.com (or some host
comparison place) and sees a PHP host for 3 bucks or a CF host for $7
or $10 then  where do you think he is going to go?

My main point is that you can't say that it costs the same for a CF
site as it does for a PHP site in a shared hosting enviroment.

Adam H


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> oh geez! thats getting a little bit nit picky dont you think?
> lets see my clients host at hostmysite.com
> its $133.55 a yr that = $11.13 a month with free domain name (smarter power 
> plan)
> and you cant argue that they are not a good host!
> 
> I can already see the php crowd drooling over this
> "BUT ITS $3 CHEAPER A MONTH TO HOST IT!!"
> 
> OMG!!! i can switch to php and retire at the end of the year!! hurrayyy

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Re: CFMX7 and DevNet

[Cutter (CF related)]

As promised, I sent an email to the address that Christian had provided 
to me (very similar in content to my original post starting this 
thread). Two minutes later (I'm not kidding folks) I received a call 
from Alicia with DevNet support. After reading my "well thought out" 
email (she doesn't know me;) she decided that, rather than send me an 
email she would find a phone number for me and call me personally to 
respond. To skip all of the fat and get right to the juice for you true 
believers out there, Alicia has informed me that CFMX 7 will be up in 
the DevNet Downloads area by Friday.

I am actually touched and overwhelmed by Macromedia's responsiveness to 
me personally, and the community as a whole. This makes me much more 
comfortable than I was after the response given to my vendor/reseller 
(boy will she be jealous;). I told Alicia that I was going to post this 
information here to the advantage of the community at large (or at least 
us folks who frequent anyway).

Cutter (CF related) wrote:

>Christian,
>
>Thanks for your response.
>
>1) As I noted previously, the developer portion I mentioned really 
>doesn't pertain to my situation so much (as I am our sole developer), 
>but it was worth noting for larger development shops who may have found 
>that an advantage. I'll need to re-read that license at some point, I 
>would be curious to see if each developer needs to have a licensed 
>devnet subscription, or if one licensed devnet subscription and several 
>licensed studio mx copies would suffice (since every developer having a 
>devnet subscription might have been overkill).
>2) The second scenario is very applicable in my situation, hence my line 
>of questioning and my major advantage with the devnet edition (I'll be 
>very unhappy when my subscription expires).
>3) I'll contact the address you provided and hopefully I can get a 
>straight answer. I appreciate your response to my questions, and I'll 
>definitely post to this list once I've gotten an answer.
>
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Re: Escaping for javascript

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Yes and no... I would assume that if you said, to pass a string to a
js function, that you would mean the entire string, regardless of what
the string contains. The fact that it might not be used very often is
irrespective of the context of jsstringformat() being to format a
string, regardless of what the string contains... If a bug is
encountered rarely that doesn't change the condition, except perhaps
in the most existential sense... I don't work with CORBA therefore
CORBA bugs are not bugs _to_me_. :)

The ability to safely (key word) pass a string to a javascript literal
value isn't given by jsstringformat() alone. It succeeds in most but
not all cases, hence the bug. In particular this is an issue if you
create generic UDFs or Custom Tags intended for general consumption by
other developers and which are expected to receive unknown variables
which would then be placed in javascript string arguments. If the tag
uses jsstringformat() to populate the title of an article and a user
enters "the Perils of web programming" (a cute title
for a technical article), the expected behavior of the tag (populating
the title) will be replaced with a javascript error on the page.
Personally I'd call that a bug.

That being said, I still occasionally use jsstringformat() unmodified
when I expect that a variable might contain a \ but don't ever expect
it to contain , for isntance when escaping a file path.


> i don't think i'd see that as a bug...i think the function
> exists to
> safely format content being passed to a JS function.
> this, it does.

> i'm sure i'll be corrected if i'm wrong...but i don't
> think
> '' as a string is often passed as an argument to
> a function.
> I would say that escaping that string would be beyond the
> defined
> scope of the jsStringFormat() function, and therefore not
> in and of
> itself, a bug.


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Re: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

[jonese]

just fixed it. there were some trailing white spaces...

thanks all.
jonese


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:28:34 -0500, Bryan F. Hogan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What happens in this case?
> 
> #isNumeric(q_getWhatsNew.productid)#
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function
> displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "
> 
> Bryan - yes they are in the same order as the arugments are looking for
> 
> Michael - my output code to verify the number is
> productid=#q_getWhatsNew.productid#
> 
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RE: ArgoUML and CFC's

[Hassan Arteaga Rodriguez]

Thanks Sean..
Exactly,  I tried  to export to XMI file and run  xmi.cfm file  (with
cfcBuilder.cfc) I found with google but didn’t work

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On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:29:51 -0500, Hassan Arteaga Rodriguez
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I downloaded ArgoUML to create Class Diagram...I'd like to generate 
> ArgoUML Class Diagram to CFC.

There are no UML -> CFC tools on the market right now. You *might* be able
to save your UML as XMI and use an XMI -> CFC converter. There was a
prototype version of one of those floating around somewhere (but it didn't
work with any of the XMI formats I tried so YMMV). Google is your friend so
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RE: Firewall question

[Dave Watts]

> Second that. Even the content filtering of URLScan is evil. 
> The only thing I use on the webservers themselves is IPSec 
> policies.

Jochem, what do you think of the built-in content filtering that IIS 6
provides?

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RE: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

[Bryan F. Hogan]

What happens in this case?

#isNumeric(q_getWhatsNew.productid)#

-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function
displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

Bryan - yes they are in the same order as the arugments are looking for

Michael - my output code to verify the number is
productid=#q_getWhatsNew.productid#


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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[dave]

well true smarter linux is $15 a month but they give my clients, free domain 
name, no setup fees and 3 free months so their total is what i previously 
mentioned ($133.55)
 and with that i can run coldfusion and throw on a phpbb if needed. thats worth 
the extra $3 a month
while php is on there i dont have too worry much about having some half assed 
php app on there (like amfphp) that could compromise the server cause they wont 
allow it!


From: Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:55 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown 

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0500, dave  wrote:
> lets see my clients host at hostmysite.com
> its $133.55 a yr that = $11.13 a month with free domain name (smarter power 
> plan)
> and you cant argue that they are not a good host!
> 
> I can already see the php crowd drooling over this
> "BUT ITS $3 CHEAPER A MONTH TO HOST IT!!"

LOL!

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Re: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

[dave]

 productid=#q_getWhatsNew.productid#

 why do you have the  in a url variable? i'm assuming thats a non-numberic 
item and would then throw that error


From: jonese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:16 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function 
displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. " 

Bryan - yes they are in the same order as the arugments are looking for

Michael - my output code to verify the number is
productid=#q_getWhatsNew.productid#

jonese

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:11:36 -0600, Dawson, Michael  wrote:
> A little clarification is needed.
> 
> Do you see "productid=131" or do you see "131" when you output
> the variable?
> 
> Are you prepending "productid=" to the number somehow?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:07 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function
> displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "
> 
> Ok i have some very basic code which passes variables to a funtion.
> i've confirmed that the value for productid is 100031.
> 
> my code looks like this.
> 
> #displayProductItem(q_getWhatsNew.productid,q_getWhatsNew.name,productPr
> iceData,picThumbNail)#
> 
> i keep getting the error that my value productid being passing in is not
> numeric, but if i output it before the function and cfabort it i see
> "productid=100031"...
> 
> ANYONE have any idea how i can force CF to see this value as a
> number?
> 
> jonese
> 
> 



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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Sean Corfield]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:38:08 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  lets see my clients host at hostmysite.com
>  its $133.55 a yr that = $11.13 a month with free domain name (smarter power 
> plan)
>  and you cant argue that they are not a good host!
> 
>  I can already see the php crowd drooling over this
>  "BUT ITS $3 CHEAPER A MONTH TO HOST IT!!"

LOL!

Well, I was with Hurricane Electric - LAMP hosting for $10/month - but
I exceeded their bandwidth limit and had to move to their $25/month
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Re: ArgoUML and CFC's

[Sean Corfield]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:29:51 -0500, Hassan Arteaga Rodriguez
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I downloaded ArgoUML to create Class Diagram...I'd like to generate ArgoUML
> Class Diagram to CFC.

There are no UML -> CFC tools on the market right now. You *might* be
able to save your UML as XMI and use an XMI -> CFC converter. There
was a prototype version of one of those floating around somewhere (but
it didn't work with any of the XMI formats I tried so YMMV). Google is
your friend so start there - I don't have more precise details.
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New samples for hiermenu tag

[Massimo, Tiziana e Federica]

Giampaolo Bellavite, a fellow italian CFUG member, send me some pretty cool
CSS skins for my hiermenu tag. These CSS mimic Office 2003:

http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/hiermenu/sample.cfm?skin=office2003_blue.css

Click on the "Change skin" menu to swap CSS file and layout


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Re: Firewall question

[Jochem van Dieten]

Jacob wrote:
> From my experience, running a software firewall on a web server, i.e. IIS
> running CF, has been nothing but a PITA for me.

Second that. Even the content filtering of URLScan is evil. The 
only thing I use on the webservers themselves is IPSec policies.

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Re: Is there a way to disable the case sensitivity in

[Jochem van Dieten]

S.Isaac Dealey wrote:
> 
> My issue is that I have these tools that are designed to allow
> cross-platform database access with the same syntax... so in order to
> accomplish that, I have to massage the data to create consistent
> SQL... Though because Oracle uses all upper-case text in their
> case-sensitive meta-data indexes, if you attempt to request columns
> for the table "product" it won't return any records. So I used ucase()
> to make all the table names upper-case because none of the other
> databases care what case the table names are in your SQL if you're not
> trying to retreive meta-data. So now I've got to add an "if
> (dsn.server is not "mysql") { ...} " around that line... ... I
> hate that.

The SQL standard says:
- unquoted identifiers should be converted to uppercase and then 
matched to objects in the database
- quoted identifiers should be literally matched to objects in 
the database
- identifier quoting is done by double quotes

So technically Oracle does the right thing.

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Re: Firewall question

[Jochem van Dieten]

Andy Ousterhout wrote:
> But I am getting the impression that router does not equal firewall.
> Routers do some things that a try firewall does, but not all.  Is this
> correct?

Correct.

The basic purpose of a router is to route traffic between 
different IP subnets. For that, it looks at just one thing: the 
destination IP address. Based on that IP address the packet is 
forwarded on the right interface. This is strictly an OSI layer 3 
issue, and usually big routers communicate with eachother using a 
whole slew of protocols to know which IP address needs to go to 
which interface.

The purpose of a firewall is to examine all traffic that tries to 
pass and block traffic that does not meet certain criteria. For 
this, firewalls look at many more parameters then just the IP 
addresses. For instance:
- source / destination IP (3)
- SYN flags (3)
- transport protocol (4)
- source / destination port number (5)
- protocol (6)
- content (7)
Numbers refer to the layer in the OSI model:
http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid7_gci523729,00.html


Nowadays, many routers have some or more of the features of 
firewalls, going up in the OSI laters, and sometimes firewalls 
have some of the features of routers.
Most routers can also filter traffic based on the transport 
protocol or the port numbers. Most can also filter traffic based 
on the SYN flags (but to do this statefull can cost quite a bit 
performance). So routers are getting more firewall capabilities, 
and if you look at high end routers (i.e. Cisco 6500) you can 
even get dedicated firewall modules for them.
The high end firewalls can often do some tricks to direct traffic 
as well. For instance, they function as load balancers and route 
traffic to different servers.


The typical home appliance (Linksys etc.) can do stratic routing 
(a group of fixed IP adresses on one side, everything else on the 
other side), NAT, stateful filtering (it can distinguish between 
links originating from the inside and from the outside) and 
sometimes a little bit of static filtering (blocking specific 
ranges of ports / IP addresses). The ones that are a bit higher 
end can also do address filtering so you can filter out msn.com 
for your children if you like (although I doubt it stops serious 
attempts).
IMHO, for the home user that is enough. The security conscious 
home user would probably configure an extra layer behind such a 
device, but that layer can be very simple, i.e. some IPSec rules.


For professional use, the question is really what you need and 
what you want to spend. If you get a Cisco 6500 you can add 
firewall modules that can supposedly handle 5 Gbps each. It will 
nicely filter on OSI layer 3-5 for you.
If you don't need that much throughput, a simple system running 
Linux/BSD can do pretty much the same. (The aforementioned 
Linksys probably runs Linux of some sorts.) If you want to filter 
on protocol and content add a reverse proxy. If you choose the 
Linux/BSD option you can run that on the same machine.
It is really up to your needs.

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Re: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

[Angela Renkosik]

Three ideas
 
1> Check the arguments are being passed in the same order that they are listed 
in the function
2> Is it possible that the value has a leading or trailing blank space?...add a 
trim around the value to be sure
3> Use the val() function


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:11:36 -0600, Dawson, Michael wrote:
> A little clarification is needed.
> 
> Do you see "productid=131" or do you see "131" when you output
> the variable?
> 
> Are you prepending "productid=" to the number somehow?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:07 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function
> displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "
> 
> Ok i have some very basic code which passes variables to a funtion.
> i've confirmed that the value for productid is 100031.
> 
> my code looks like this.
> 
> #displayProductItem(q_getWhatsNew.productid,q_getWhatsNew.name,productPr
> iceData,picThumbNail)#
> 
> i keep getting the error that my value productid being passing in is not
> numeric, but if i output it before the function and cfabort it i see
> "productid=100031"...
> 
> ANYONE have any idea how i can force CF to see this value as a
> number?
> 
> jonese
> 
> 



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Re: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

[jonese]

Bryan - yes they are in the same order as the arugments are looking for

Michael - my output code to verify the number is
productid=#q_getWhatsNew.productid#

jonese


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:11:36 -0600, Dawson, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A little clarification is needed.
> 
> Do you see "productid=131" or do you see "131" when you output
> the variable?
> 
> Are you prepending "productid=" to the number somehow?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:07 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function
> displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "
> 
> Ok i have some very basic code which passes variables to a funtion.
> i've confirmed that the value for productid is 100031.
> 
> my code looks like this.
> 
> #displayProductItem(q_getWhatsNew.productid,q_getWhatsNew.name,productPr
> iceData,picThumbNail)#
> 
> i keep getting the error that my value productid being passing in is not
> numeric, but if i output it before the function and cfabort it i see
> "productid=100031"...
> 
> ANYONE have any idea how i can force CF to see this value as a
> number?
> 
> jonese
> 
> 

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Duplicate error driving me insane

[Steph Moreland]

Hi all,

I have a web app done by another developer on my client's site. I got 
it to work nicely on the new host, but there is a problem. There's a 
log-in page to see more information on their product selector, which 
works great when it's classed as an "External" user, but when it 
becomes an "Internal" user, I get the following error:

Error Diagnostic Information

ODBC Error Code = S1000 (General error)

[Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Duplicate output alias 
'MaxWaterAbsorptionASTM'.

The error occurred while processing an element with a general 
identifier of (CFQUERY), occupying document position (1:8082) to 
(1:8136).

Date/Time: 02/08/05 12:03:44
Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; 
rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217
Remote Address: 216.183.28.41
HTTP Referrer: http://216.65.115.15/products/productselector.cfm

I know that it's created two instances of this element, but I'm not 
sure how to fix this.
Any ideas?

The code can be downloaded at:
http://clients.themcgroup.com/macromedia/


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Re: Uploaded .doc files using cffile, now I need to 'scrape' the data from the files

[Doug Strickland]

Thanks for your feedback Keith.
I'm definitely feeling the world of pain...

I'm going to go with Jeff's suggestion, the one that suggested using Verity, 
and then joining those results with a search from the database.

Thanks for your time!

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RE: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

[Dawson, Michael]

A little clarification is needed.

Do you see "productid=131" or do you see "131" when you output
the variable?

Are you prepending "productid=" to the number somehow? 

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function
displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

Ok i have some very basic code which passes variables to a funtion.
i've confirmed that the value for productid is 100031.

my code looks like this.

#displayProductItem(q_getWhatsNew.productid,q_getWhatsNew.name,productPr
iceData,picThumbNail)#

i keep getting the error that my value productid being passing in is not
numeric, but if i output it before the function and cfabort it i see
"productid=100031"...

ANYONE have any idea how i can force CF to see this value as a
number?

jonese



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RE: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

[Bryan F. Hogan]

Are your arguments in the same order as you are passing them into the
function?

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function
displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

Ok i have some very basic code which passes variables to a funtion.
i've confirmed that the value for productid is 100031.

my code looks like this.

#displayProductItem(q_getWhatsNew.productid,q_getWhatsNew.name,productPriceD
ata,picThumbNail)#

i keep getting the error that my value productid being passing in is
not numeric, but if i output it before the function and cfabort it i
see "productid=100031"...

ANYONE have any idea how i can force CF to see this value as a number?

jonese


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RE: Firewall question

[Jacob]

>From my experience, running a software firewall on a web server, i.e. IIS
running CF, has been nothing but a PITA for me.  I know others have software
firewalls running just fine.

Hardening the webserver, using IPsec, turning off unneeded services, and
strong passwords as worked well.

BTW... Windows 2003 SP1 RC2 is out.  Guess what is featured? Windows
Firewall, just like XP.  I can see it coming now...

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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Firewall question

I think the most secure arrangement is to:

1.  Replace router with hardware Firewall Solution (adding VPN at same time
::-))
2.  Go from Firewall solution to NTServer running Firewall software
3.  Go from NTServer to rest of internal network.

Easy enough.  Already shopping for firewall/VPN hardware.

Thanks everyone for the education.

Andy

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wits end "The argument PRODUCTID passed to function displayProductItem() is not of type numeric. "

[jonese]

Ok i have some very basic code which passes variables to a funtion.
i've confirmed that the value for productid is 100031.

my code looks like this.

#displayProductItem(q_getWhatsNew.productid,q_getWhatsNew.name,productPriceData,picThumbNail)#

i keep getting the error that my value productid being passing in is
not numeric, but if i output it before the function and cfabort it i
see "productid=100031"...

ANYONE have any idea how i can force CF to see this value as a number?

jonese

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Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Sean Corfield]

OK, now that I understand your process better I can see why you are
wondering about these issues! In your case you would want the entire
CF system exposed because you're not deploying an application to
production, you're delivering an entire system to a customer.

The J2EE packaging might make the delivery / setup process slightly
easier but given the "team of consultants" approach it's probably a
moot point...

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:56:57 -0500, Ben Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think our perspectives are different. Some of the software I develop is
> deployed in places I will never visit. At those locations, they often have
> development, QA and production systems. So, when I "deploy" an app, it's not
> straight to production. Deployment for me means that it's going to a
> customer's site.
> 
> There's usually 6 months or so between the time the customer sets it up in
> development and the time the app goes into production. During that time,
> we're determining the best settings for the particular environment. Once
> we've set up the development environment, the customer (or on site
> consultants) duplicates it as QA environment and then as a production
> environment.

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Re: Uploaded .doc files using cffile, now I need to 'scrape' the data from the files

[Doug Strickland]

Thanks for the information...
I think I'll opt for (1) as well.
A dba I work with is looking into (2) now...just in case.
But (1) definitely seems like a clean and straight forward way to do it.
Thanks again!

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Re: Escaping for javascript

[Charlie Griefer]

i don't think i'd see that as a bug...i think the function exists to
safely format content being passed to a JS function.  this, it does.

i'm sure i'll be corrected if i'm wrong...but i don't think
'' as a string is often passed as an argument to a function. 
I would say that escaping that string would be beyond the defined
scope of the jsStringFormat() function, and therefore not in and of
itself, a bug.


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:43:45 -0500, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Works a treat as long as the string doesn't contain the value
> "" in it anywhere... which essentially means that while
> jsstringformat is great for most applications, it's not bulletproof
> (has a bug). If you need to bulletproof it, you have to add the
> replacement of / with \/, i.e.
> replace(jsstringformat(mystring),"/","\/","ALL"); I put this in a
> function myself -- and I _think_ I submitted it to cflib.org as
> jsformat()
> 
> function jsformat(str) { return
> replace(jsstringformat(str),"/","\/","ALL"); }
> 
> just fyi
> 
> > jsStringFormat()
> 
> > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:02:30 -0400, G. Brown
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Simple question...
> >>
> >> Is there an easy way to escape strings passed to
> >> javascript in Cold Fusion, aside from using the replace
> >> function?
> >>
> >> whateverFunc('#myvar#');
> >>
> >> Just curious.
> >> Thanks
> >> G-
> 
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RE: Refreshing the page gives problems

[Dawson, Michael]

After the page submits and everything is successful, have the page do a
CFLOCATION to itself.  Then, any subsequent refreshes will only refresh
the last page load.

M!ke 

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Subject: Refreshing the page gives problems

The form in the page is submitting to the same page. If the user
refreshes the page, then, the query to insert the record filled out in
the form is executed again. So, the number of records in the table keep
increasing.
 
is there a way to prevent this?
 
The primary key in the table the data is being inserted is a counter
that increments itself. It is not part of the query that is inserting
the new records.
 
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Re: Is there a way to disable the case sensitivity in

[S . Isaac Dealey]

> I believe that MySQL will let you use any case for any
> entity (caveat
> to come), as long as you're consistent through out a
> single query for
> each entity.  So you can differ the case across multiple
> queries, but
> within a single query, every reference has to be cased the
> same.  In
> addition, table names, because they directly correspond to
> files on
> the filesystem, are as case sensitive as your file system,
> subject to
> the option described on the page Jochem linked to.

Yea, I noticed that... means I have to revise some of my
cross-platform database code... though it just seems silly... if I'd
been designing something like MySQL I would have just forced all the
file names to lower-case and been done with it and saved everyone the
headache...

> Of course, I could be somewhat off base (and Jochem will
> surely
> correct me), but I stick to my casing rules, so I
> generally don't have
> to care.

My issue is that I have these tools that are designed to allow
cross-platform database access with the same syntax... so in order to
accomplish that, I have to massage the data to create consistent
SQL... Though because Oracle uses all upper-case text in their
case-sensitive meta-data indexes, if you attempt to request columns
for the table "product" it won't return any records. So I used ucase()
to make all the table names upper-case because none of the other
databases care what case the table names are in your SQL if you're not
trying to retreive meta-data. So now I've got to add an "if
(dsn.server is not "mysql") { ...} " around that line... ... I
hate that.

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RE: Firewall question

[Andy Ousterhout]

I think the most secure arrangement is to:

1.  Replace router with hardware Firewall Solution (adding VPN at same time
::-))
2.  Go from Firewall solution to NTServer running Firewall software
3.  Go from NTServer to rest of internal network.

Easy enough.  Already shopping for firewall/VPN hardware.

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Re: Escaping for javascript

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Works a treat as long as the string doesn't contain the value
"" in it anywhere... which essentially means that while
jsstringformat is great for most applications, it's not bulletproof
(has a bug). If you need to bulletproof it, you have to add the
replacement of / with \/, i.e.
replace(jsstringformat(mystring),"/","\/","ALL"); I put this in a
function myself -- and I _think_ I submitted it to cflib.org as
jsformat()

function jsformat(str) { return
replace(jsstringformat(str),"/","\/","ALL"); }

just fyi

> jsStringFormat()


> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:02:30 -0400, G. Brown
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Simple question...
>>
>> Is there an easy way to escape strings passed to
>> javascript in Cold Fusion, aside from using the replace
>> function?
>>
>> whateverFunc('#myvar#');
>>
>> Just curious.
>> Thanks
>> G-

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Re: Is there a way to disable the case sensitivity in

[Barney Boisvert]

I believe that MySQL will let you use any case for any entity (caveat
to come), as long as you're consistent through out a single query for
each entity.  So you can differ the case across multiple queries, but
within a single query, every reference has to be cased the same.  In
addition, table names, because they directly correspond to files on
the filesystem, are as case sensitive as your file system, subject to
the option described on the page Jochem linked to.

Of course, I could be somewhat off base (and Jochem will surely
correct me), but I stick to my casing rules, so I generally don't have
to care.

cheers,
barneyb

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:26:32 -0500, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MySQL uses case-sensitive entity names? OUCH! I thought case-sensitive
> _INDEXES_ were difficult to work with.
> 

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Re: Finding "On" Bits in a Number

[Tony Weeg]

i use...



 since i hate to trust that 4 will be boolean ;0




On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:53:53 -0500, Claude Schneegans
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>How can I tell if the "4" (third) bit is "on"?
> 
> Look at bitAnd() function:
> 
>the guy is authorized
> 
>kick him out
> 
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RE: Firewall question

[Dawson, Michael]

Correct, the router, if configured correctly, will make your internal
network appear nonexistant to the outsider.  It generally does not reply
to requests made to the most-hackable ports and protocols.  It does act
as sort of a firewall.

However, the firewall is an additional defense for traffic that is
allowed through the router.

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From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Firewall question

But I am getting the impression that router does not equal firewall.
Routers do some things that a try firewall does, but not all.  Is this
correct?

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RE: Some basic CFC stuff

[Dawson, Michael]

>1) Does anyone know where I can find some *good* documentation, or
maybe even a good 
book, that covers CFC concepts?

You should subscribe to the http://cfczone.org/ mailing list.  Great
stuff there.  Also, check the history for some recommendations on books.

>2)

First, you need to "var" your local variables in the CFC's functions.
For example, you have a query named "usersLockedRecords".  Right after
the  tag, you need to specify:



There are tons of posts about this issue.  You can check the history of
this mailing list or the http://cfczone.org/ mailing list.

Second, you should use  to avoid a lot of issues with
dynamic queries.  Again, there are lots of posts about this issue, so I
won't go into detail here.

Finally, Since your UPDATE statement doesn't appear to be very
complicated, I would just have the "UnlockUserRecords" method call its
own CFQUERY statement rather than looping over the second method's
results.

Remember, each time you loop, that is an extra DB interaction that could
cause site performance issues.

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Re: Is there a way to disable the case sensitivity in

[S . Isaac Dealey]

MySQL uses case-sensitive entity names? OUCH! I thought case-sensitive
_INDEXES_ were difficult to work with.

> Nope.  You can alias the tables like this, though:

> 
> SELECT EmPloYeE.Name
> FROM Employee EmPloYeE
> 

> This has nothing to do with CF, it's entirely based on the
> behaviour
> of your database server (MySQL in this case).

> I'd highly recommend laying out some styleguidelines for
> your naming
> schemes.  If you do that (and follow them, of course),
> this problem
> will go away.  Here's what I do:

>  - tables are all lowercase, words separated with
>  underscores
>  - columns are camelCase with no initial cap
>  - abbreviations/initials are always caps.  i.e.
>  productID, DOB, etc.
> Though I'd probably use dateOfBirth rather than DOB.

> cheers,
> barneyb


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