date:20050217

I tried that originally, but then the CFC complained about not being able to 
find the other form fields. Strange but true :-/

Cedric

>I would switch it back to post and just add ?method=methodName to the action
>url.
>
>Example:
>
>CFC: bookstore
>Method: getBook()
>
>
>
>
>Mike

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Re: FB4 book? (was "RE: "Discovering FB4.1" book comparison to FB4.0 edition?")

2005-02-17 Thread Brian Kotek

Yes, Jeff's books are available at http://www.cafepress.com/protonarts/250818
 

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:51:55 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > If the FB4.1 book hasn't shipped yet, what would be the recommended
> > choice for an FB4 book if I wanted something to read for the weekend?
> 
> I would grab Jeff Peter's "Fusebox 4 and FLiP" along with the "What's New in
> Fusebox 4.1"... although you have to order them both from proton arts.. I
> think.
> 
> 
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RE: form action to CFC problems

I would switch it back to post and just add ?method=methodName to the action
url.

Example:

CFC: bookstore
Method: getBook()




Mike

> From: Cedric Villat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> I changed the form method from "post" to "get" so that it 
> passed the form fields via the URL and magically it started 
> working. What is interesting is that I am still running this 
> site on 6.1, but CFMX7 is installed on that machine on the 
> built-in webserver.
> 
> Does it make sense that the behavior of my form/cfc would 
> change when running on the same CFMX 6.1 instance, just 
> because I installed CFMX7 on that machine?

> >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > 
> >> Did you confirm your mappings and locations to the CFCs? 
> Nothing else
> >> changed? You have the hidden form field "method"?
> >
> >I overlooked something in CFMX 7. Seems as though the method name is
> >required in the URL on the action of the form now...
> >http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/w
> whimpl/js/html/
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Re: form action to CFC problems

Michael,

I changed the form method from "post" to "get" so that it passed the form 
fields via the URL and magically it started working. What is interesting is 
that I am still running this site on 6.1, but CFMX7 is installed on that 
machine on the built-in webserver.

Does it make sense that the behavior of my form/cfc would change when running 
on the same CFMX 6.1 instance, just because I installed CFMX7 on that machine?

Cedric

>> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
>> Did you confirm your mappings and locations to the CFCs? Nothing else
>> changed? You have the hidden form field "method"?
>
>I overlooked something in CFMX 7. Seems as though the method name is
>required in the URL on the action of the form now...
>http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/
>wwhelp.htm
>
>I did not notice this in CFMX 6.1... but then again, I never called a CFC
>method this way either.
>
>Anyway, not sure if that's your problem, but it may be.
>
>Mike

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Ebay SOAP API

2005-02-17 Thread Umer Farooq

Has anyone been able to get ebay SOAP API going with CF. I've tried and 
I keep on getting:

coldfusion.xml.rpc.ServiceProxy$ServiceMethodNotFoundException

this is what i'm doing..



   
 
 
 X
   



bayWS = CreateObject("webservice", 
"http://developer.ebay.com/webservices/361/eBaySvc.wsdl";);

addSOAPRequestHeader(ebayWS, "urn:ebay:api:eBayAPI", 
"RequesterCredentials", "#ebayXMLObj#");

//this does not work..
//ebayWS._setProperty("javax.xml.rpc.service.endpoint.address","https://api.sandbox.ebay.com/wsapi?callname=getFeedback&siteid=0&appid=XXX&version=361";);

// this seems set the endpoint..
ebayWS._getService().seteBayAPIEndpointAddress("https://api.sandbox.ebay.com/wsapi?callname=getFeedback&siteid=0&appid=&version=361";);


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RE: form action to CFC problems

> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
> Did you confirm your mappings and locations to the CFCs? Nothing else
> changed? You have the hidden form field "method"?

I overlooked something in CFMX 7. Seems as though the method name is
required in the URL on the action of the form now...
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/
wwhelp.htm

I did not notice this in CFMX 6.1... but then again, I never called a CFC
method this way either.

Anyway, not sure if that's your problem, but it may be.

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RE: form action to CFC problems

> From: Cedric Villat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Something strange has just happened. I have a form where the 
> action points directly to a CFC. This was working great until 
> today. Now when I submit the form, the page gets redirected 
> to the Component Browser Login page. The only thing I can 
> think of is that I installed CFMX7. Has anyone seen this? 
> Anyone have any idea why this started happening or how to 
> stop it so my CFC responds normally?

Cedric,

Did you confirm your mappings and locations to the CFCs? Nothing else
changed? You have the hidden form field "method"?



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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

Damn, I made the mistake of reading this one from the bottom up! 
I messed with FB a little, and it messed my mind up. Went back to my simple, 
basic architecture and felt much better. 

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-17 Thread Aaron Rouse

depending on what you like, you can point your fingers in any
direction that pleases you :)


On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:53:22 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i dunno, go to myspace.com and do a few searches, that fusebox app rarely 
> runs right (or could be the developers) if at all.
> 
> 
> From: "Damien McKenna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk 
> Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon?
> 
> Any web application will be slow on a 486 ;-)
> 
> Honestly speaking, in today's world of 2ghz machines being considered
> *low* end I don't think that speed should be the concern it was back
> when servers were 200MHz. We run lots of Fusebox 3 apps on our server
> (dual 1ghz xeon) and the only time they're slow is when they query the
> slow COBOL system.
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:26 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon?
> >
> > now when i think of fusebox i think of myspace.com and thats
> > gotta be the worse performing cfm app i have ever seen.
> 
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form action to CFC problems

Something strange has just happened. I have a form where the action points 
directly to a CFC. This was working great until today. Now when I submit the 
form, the page gets redirected to the Component Browser Login page. The only 
thing I can think of is that I installed CFMX7. Has anyone seen this? Anyone 
have any idea why this started happening or how to stop it so my CFC responds 
normally?

Thanks,
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RE: FB4 book? (was "RE: "Discovering FB4.1" book comparison to FB4.0 edition?")

> From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> If the FB4.1 book hasn't shipped yet, what would be the recommended
> choice for an FB4 book if I wanted something to read for the weekend?

I would grab Jeff Peter's "Fusebox 4 and FLiP" along with the "What's New in
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RE: Plum vs Adalon?

i dunno, go to myspace.com and do a few searches, that fusebox app rarely runs 
right (or could be the developers) if at all.

From: "Damien McKenna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:45 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon? 

Any web application will be slow on a 486 ;-)

Honestly speaking, in today's world of 2ghz machines being considered
*low* end I don't think that speed should be the concern it was back
when servers were 200MHz. We run lots of Fusebox 3 apps on our server
(dual 1ghz xeon) and the only time they're slow is when they query the
slow COBOL system.

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> From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:26 PM
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> 
> now when i think of fusebox i think of myspace.com and thats 
> gotta be the worse performing cfm app i have ever seen.

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RE: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-17 Thread Damien McKenna

Any web application will be slow on a 486 ;-)

Honestly speaking, in today's world of 2ghz machines being considered
*low* end I don't think that speed should be the concern it was back
when servers were 200MHz.  We run lots of Fusebox 3 apps on our server
(dual 1ghz xeon) and the only time they're slow is when they query the
slow COBOL system.

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> From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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> 
> now when i think of fusebox i think of myspace.com and thats 
> gotta be the worse performing cfm app i have ever seen.

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FB4 book? (was "RE: "Discovering FB4.1" book comparison to FB4.0 edition?")

2005-02-17 Thread Damien McKenna

If the FB4.1 book hasn't shipped yet, what would be the recommended
choice for an FB4 book if I wanted something to read for the weekend?

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[OT, Python Quote] Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was "RE: Plum vs Adalon?")

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Re: MySQL charging hard?

yeah, I had a blast with MySQL back when I used it. It's pretty much what I 
learned on, and worked really well! Cheated with Navicat, so that made things 
much more pleasant as well.   

I like my GUI's! Is that such a bad thing? 

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Re: MySQL charging hard?

2005-02-17 Thread Rick Root

Will Tomlinson wrote:

> What does everyone think about this? I used MySQL until I started using SP's. 
> Then I HAD to go with SQL Server for my needs. What will this mean for the db 
> market? 

In my department at Duke, we have databases in MySQL 4.1 and Oracle 9. 
I've found Oracle to be exceptionally difficult to maintain, since I'm 
not a DBA.  MySQL is much easier.

However, we've done some performance testing, pitting Oracle against 
MySQL and SQL Server... and we found that SQL Server - on a smaller 
machine - actually performed faster than both MySQL and Oracle.  MySQL 
was good when small amounts of data were returned versus Oracle, but SQL 
Server was faster pretty much across the board.

SQL Server is also easier to maintain.

I like MySQL, and I will continue to use it for pretty much all of my 
freelance web development, unless my clients desire otherwise.  But in 
our department at Duke, where we're dealing with very large datasets 
(millions of rows in several tables), we're going with SQL Server (ie, 
we're going to phase out Oracle *AND MySQL and switch to SQL Server, 
even though Oracle is free for us, and SQL Server is not.)

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Re: "Discovering FB4.1" book comparison to FB4.0 edition?

2005-02-17 Thread Brian Kotek

It hasn't shipped yet, but should be very soon.


On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:48:31 -0500, Damien McKenna
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> Has anyone here read the Discovering Fusebox 4.1 book yet?  If so, how
> does it compare to the FB 4.0 book?  I'm interested to see if it has
> expanded the detail, and maybe improve on some of the complaints (see
> the comments on Amazon.com).  Thanks.
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"Discovering FB4.1" book comparison to FB4.0 edition?

2005-02-17 Thread Damien McKenna

Has anyone here read the Discovering Fusebox 4.1 book yet?  If so, how
does it compare to the FB 4.0 book?  I'm interested to see if it has
expanded the detail, and maybe improve on some of the complaints (see
the comments on Amazon.com).  Thanks.
 
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Re: CFTicket?

Rick,

Sorry about our site being down. It should (hopefully) be up by the end of the 
week. If you have any questions or want me to setup a personal demo for you 
until the real demo comes back online, just let me know.

Also, you should be able to log support calls by creating tickets manually from 
within CFTicket.

Like I said, shoot me an email offline if you have questions.

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>If not, can anyone recommend another CF (or other) web-based customer
>support tracking application?
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>TNX.
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RE: MySQL charging hard?

> From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> What does everyone think about this? I used MySQL until I 
> started using SP's. Then I HAD to go with SQL Server for my 
> needs. What will this mean for the db market? 

Will,

I used to be a die hard SQL Server fan forever and ever always avoiding
MySQL and Oracle until I needed to buy hosting myself and was a little weary
of paying for SQL  Server for a blog! So I took the plunge and went with
MySQL. To be honest, I love it. I think as more features come out (hopefully
at a quicker pace) the more MySQL will catch on. It already has a huge
following, I was just so stuck on MS SQL Server that I didn't see it.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see what format/syntax the stored
procedures will take on as well as the triggers (Jochem, any insight??). I
really enjoy the power and benefits from both the features in SQL Server so
they will be a very nice addition to MySQL.

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MySQL charging hard?

What does everyone think about this? I used MySQL until I started using SP's. 
Then I HAD to go with SQL Server for my needs. What will this mean for the db 
market? 

http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/dailyarchives.jhtml;jsessionid=KNGJNLFGHQAMAQSNDBGCKHSCJUMEKJVN?articleId=60401366

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

dang hes sure had a bugger up his bum lately!
 he lashed out at me too, course couldnt back it up, so..

 ::grabs popcorn to watch this one ::

From: Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:01 PM
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Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon? 

>>I think you are just being an ass

Sorry, but if you need insults to make your point, I won't follow you in 
that direction. 

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RE: Plum vs Adalon?

> From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sorry, but if you need insults to make your point, I won't 
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RE: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!)

yup 2 of them (machine & router) and luckily i dont use xp much, only really 
when I need flash or sometimes dw

 btw~ off the record linux compatibilty for studio is coming :) whoo hoo!!


From: James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!) 

Please tell me you have a decent firewall, behind which this worm-magnet
sits?

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!)

Whats funny is on this months install I havent put in any patches and its
running better than it ever has. 



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RE: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was "RE: Plum vs Adalon?")

2005-02-17 Thread James Holmes

"Follow the gourd!"

"No, Follow the sandal!"

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

 >>I think you are just being an ass

Sorry, but if you need insults to make your point, I won't follow you in 
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RE: Plum vs Adalon?

> From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
> I just said I was upgrading a FB application. So at least I 
> have an example.
> Does it take years to understand and know the principles of FB?
> Then how can it help?

Well it would seem that after 9 years of coding, when you encountered
something you obviously knew little about, you would spend some time trying
to understand it before making the kinds of statements you've been making.
It is apparent you have not taken any significant time to learn anything
about Fusebox. Personally, I think you are just being an ass because you
realize that Fusebox "could" be beneficial but you aren't up to speed on it
so you are putting up this transparent defense by dissing it all afternoon.
I am not defending it anymore so you can justify your inability to take 30
minutes out of your seemingly busy day to maybe head over to fusebox.org and
enlighten yourself! I have taken enough time to know that for me, it is
beneficial.

Enjoy!





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Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was "RE: Plum vs Adalon?")

2005-02-17 Thread Sean Corfield

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:23:26 -0500, Joe Rinehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because my opinion doesn't match
> yours is no reason to call me ignorant or uninformed.

I have to say that Adam's habit of jumping on anyone who dares to
criticize Plum is getting a bit tiring. I made some comments about it
and he jumped straight down my throat (and later he apologized).

Adam, I think you need to chill a bit dude. Plum is not for everyone.
Fusebox is not for everyone. Mach II is not for everyone. Don't get
upset when some people say they don't like what Plum does or doesn't
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Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was "RE: Plum vs Adalon?")

2005-02-17 Thread Sean Corfield

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:53:51 -0500, Adam Churvis
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> The best way for everyone to assess this is to download and install Plum,
> then thorooughly read the Plum documentation.

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Re: Getting Output To Display in Order Based on Calculations

2005-02-17 Thread ColdFusion Developer

You could use the calculated data set, create a new query
using QueryNew and then do a Query of Queries (QoQ)
and re-sort it that way, then display.

A drawn out process but works.

Les Mizzell wrote:

>Page in Question: http://www.cyndustries.com/bugmusic_vote_completed.cfm
>
>(Unless you're into very experimental electronic music I wouldn't advise 
>listening to any of the pieces!! Otherwise, hide your cat!!!)
>
>There's a table holding the info for each piece
>There's a table where all the scores are stored
>
>So, the page is set up like this:
>
>
>
>   
> 
>   
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Why would Firefox cause CF to error??

>Has anyone heard any more about this Session is Invalid issue? I last
>heard from CT support two days ago, and nothing since... and I am
>still having the problem.
>

james, they emailed me back and said they checked the config file and it was 
set to 30. Mine seems to be working fine now. 

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Re: Looking for a good web based html editor

I agree with James. TinyMCE is nice! Easy to install and use. 

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RE: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!)

2005-02-17 Thread James Holmes

Please tell me you have a decent firewall, behind which this worm-magnet
sits?

-Original Message-
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Subject: RE: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!)

Whats funny is on this months install I havent put in any patches and its
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RE: Looking for a good web based html editor

2005-02-17 Thread James Holmes

Even though this will start the same arguments we have had three times in
the past month, I recommend TinyMCE http://tinymce.moxiecode.com. It does
everything you asked for.

-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Looking for a good web based html editor

I am in need of a good browser base WYSIWYG editor that I can place in a
form.

I have used the ektron product but I need a version that is not an activeX,
cross platform and requires no install.

I know they have a flash version but I am not sure you can customize it.

I also want to limit the function to very basic HTML (i.e.
   ...etc.)

I need to be able to remove any of theand or other tags
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I would also need to strip out the "bad" content that is added to the
content when you copy and paste if from MS Word.

Any suggestions would be great.

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

>>9 years, none of which touch on FB... so how can you justify making comments
about the Framework?

I just said I was upgrading a FB application. So at least I have an example.
Does it take years to understand and know the principles of FB?
Then how can it help?


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Looking for a good web based html editor

2005-02-17 Thread Matthew Friedman

I am in need of a good browser base WYSIWYG editor that I can place in a
form.

I have used the ektron product but I need a version that is not an activeX,
cross platform and requires no install.

I know they have a flash version but I am not sure you can customize it.

I also want to limit the function to very basic HTML (i.e.
   ...etc.)

I need to be able to remove any of theand or other tags
since this is for a middleware project.

I would also need to strip out the "bad" content that is added to the
content when you copy and paste if from MS Word.

Any suggestions would be great.

Thanks.
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Re: Why would Firefox cause CF to error??

2005-02-17 Thread James Edmunds

Has anyone heard any more about this Session is Invalid issue? I last
heard from CT support two days ago, and nothing since... and I am
still having the problem.

Thanks in advance,

James



On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:14:53 -0600, James Edmunds
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> Note that on its Forums, CT today says that this is a problem that
> they are investigating and that, unlike the known issue with CFMX 6.1
> and J2EE (the one addressed in their Knowledge Base article), this is
> something different because it happens even when the J2EE and CFMX
> sessions are nominally the same or the CFMX session is shorter than
> the J2EE session.
> 
> So it really does seem to be a new issue, and I expect we will hear
> something soon.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> James Edmunds
> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:15:29 -0400, Will Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Here's what CT replied with. It doesn't make sense, if I hadn't set 
> > sessiontimeout in app.cfm. Wouldn't it've defaulted to 30?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Will
> >
> >  Will,
> >
> > This is not the case.  I have checked in the web.xml file on your web 
> > server, and the timeout is indeed set to 30.
> >
> > Please contact us again if you have any further questions.
> >
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Re: speaking of OOP

> > I never really concidered OOP because I general make fairly small sites
> > and really am shifting to RIA's, so seems like that would be a bit much
> > for me, is it?
> 
> I think OOP on the server is a good match for OOP on the client, which is
> what you in a well-architected Flash RIA solution.

Dave's dead-on there.  Just as far as the Flash side is considered,
Flash itself is an OO environment.  If you're doing RIA's in Flash,
"considering" OO isn't an option.  You're either going to use it and
have a shot at making something great, or you're going to shoehorn
procedural style into your RIA and have a train wreck down the road.

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Getting Output To Display in Order Based on Calculations

2005-02-17 Thread Les Mizzell

Page in Question: http://www.cyndustries.com/bugmusic_vote_completed.cfm

(Unless you're into very experimental electronic music I wouldn't advise 
listening to any of the pieces!! Otherwise, hide your cat!!!)

There's a table holding the info for each piece
There's a table where all the scores are stored

So, the page is set up like this:

Re: Error consuming web services

2005-02-17 Thread Jehiah Czebotar

You might check to see if coldfusion has an old version of the wsdl
cached in the coldfusion administrator. (ie: delete it from the list
in coldfusion administrator, then try)

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:34:56 -, A.Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> OK, I must be doing something really dumb here... I run this following
> code:
> 
>  webservice="http://dev-iet.open.ac.uk/webservices/people.cfc?wsdl";
> method="getPeople"
> returnvariable="testing">
> 
> 
> #testing#
> 
> To call the webservice code:
> 
>  returntype="string">
>  required="yes">
> 
> 
> 
> 
> (and this appears fine as wsdl when I go to
> http://dev-iet.open.ac.uk/webservices/people.cfc?wsdl)
> 
> But I get the error "Web service operation "getPeople" with parameters
> {GroupID={15},} could not be found. "
> 
> So - what have I done wrong?! For info the webservice is on CFMX (6.1)
> and the calling code is on CF7
> Alex

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RE: speaking of OOP

dang Dave, nice 2 see the humor come out! :)

 mind you im not doing enterprise stuff here, seems like it takes longer to set 
up in OOP then just to make the damn thing.
 But know that I have seen where you can have as. files on the server and pull 
them into flash that way, it makes more sense.


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To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: speaking of OOP 

> actually im not that bad, I just have a serious dislike for ms, just
> one of those things that pisses me off.

Really? I hadn't noticed.

> I never really concidered OOP because I general make fairly small sites
> and really am shifting to RIA's, so seems like that would be a bit much
> for me, is it?

I think OOP on the server is a good match for OOP on the client, which is
what you in a well-architected Flash RIA solution.

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RE: speaking of OOP

2005-02-17 Thread Dave Watts

> actually im not that bad, I just have a serious dislike for ms, just
> one of those things that pisses me off.

Really? I hadn't noticed.

> I never really concidered OOP because I general make fairly small sites
> and really am shifting to RIA's, so seems like that would be a bit much
> for me, is it?

I think OOP on the server is a good match for OOP on the client, which is
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Re: Form Builder

2005-02-17 Thread Greg Luce

We've been evaluating Quask Forms/Workflow software. Seems robust.
We're more interested in the workflow system than pretty design.

http://www.quask.com/en/home.asp

Greg

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> 
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> Preferably it would be advanced.  Cost is not an issue.
> 
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Re: cfqueryparam and performance

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Gaughan

Rick Root wrote:

> I always thought of  as primarily a security tag to help 
> avoid SQL injection.  Honestly, I now think that's really a secondary 
> purpose.  It's all about performance!
> 
> We have a table with email addresses for some 80,000 alumni here at 
> Duke.  When I do an email search without using cfqueryparam against our 
> DB2 mainframe, it takes about 2500ms to return... if I do another 
> lookup, it takes another 2500ms.
> 
> However, if I use a bind variable, the first takes 2500ms, and then the 
> second only takes about 500ms.

Yup, that's because it creates prepared statements so it's got the
execution plan cached. For next time. All you have to do is fill in
the gaps, and Bob's your father's brother.

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RE: speaking of OOP

LMFAO :)
 actually im not that bad, I just have a serious dislike for ms, just one of 
those things that pisses me off.
 You know I may stir the pot but a lot of useful info comes out of it (someones 
gotta do it)

 " 3. When you do it right, everyone feels good about it."
 do you have a smoke afterwards? :)

 We had a flash remoting demo done this month at cfug and it really went into 
an OOP style for both the cfm code and the AS code, pretty amazing what cfm, 
flash & fr can do together!!

 I never really concidered OOP because I general make fairly small sites and 
really am shifting to RIA's, so seems like that would be a bit much for me, is 
it? 


From: "Calvin Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:14 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: speaking of OOP 

Yes but dave finally posted something I enjoyed! j/k

-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: speaking of OOP

1. This is really a CF-Community comment. 
2. Those who are doing it right really enjoy it.
3. When you do it right, everyone feels good about it.

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Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was "RE: Plum vs Adalon?")

2005-02-17 Thread Scott Stroz

I also tried Plum during the beta phase. 
I didn't like it...then again, I don't like lobster either. (and in
both cases, I don't get all the hype)



On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:23:26 -0500, Joe Rinehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You're missing 90% of Plum, Joe.
> 
> Adam, you're very much underestimating what I've done with Plum.  I
> wouldn't talk about it if I hadn't looked at it in great detail.  I've
> probably looked at the docs more extensively than most of your users,
> examined the custom tag library, used tools like the component and
> storedproc generator, read the Plum methodology (I think FLiP has you
> beat), and I can even tell you what "Help" node is simply labelled
> "Psych!".  I took a great interest in Plum in its Beta stages because
> it similar to something I was thinking of releasing.
> 
> This post asked for a comparison between Plum and other frameworks /
> tools.  I wouldn't add my opinion if I didn't feel I was informed
> enough to have one.  I'm probably in a better place to compare FB and
> Plum than most users of either.  Because my opinion doesn't match
> yours is no reason to call me ignorant or uninformed.
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RE: speaking of OOP

2005-02-17 Thread Calvin Ward

Yes but dave finally posted something I enjoyed! j/k

-Original Message-
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Subject: RE: speaking of OOP

1. This is really a CF-Community comment. 
2. Those who are doing it right really enjoy it.
3. When you do it right, everyone feels good about it.

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RE: speaking of OOP

2005-02-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz

1. This is really a CF-Community comment. 
2. Those who are doing it right really enjoy it.
3. When you do it right, everyone feels good about it.

> "Object Oriented Code is like sex. More people talk about it than are
> actually doing it. The few who are doing it are: doing it poorly, sure it
> will be better next time, and not practicing it safely." - Anonymous



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re: speaking of OOP

oops wrong list sry ;)


From: "dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:57 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: speaking of OOP 

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doing it. The few who are doing it are: doing it poorly, sure it will be better 
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Form Builder

2005-02-17 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)

Hey,

Anyone heard of/used any decent Form building software to allow Joe Six Pack
users to create HTML forms?  Ideally written in ColdFusion.

Preferably it would be advanced.  Cost is not an issue.

TIA



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speaking of OOP



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RE: Some advice?

2005-02-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz

Matt Woodward has done some solid CF-OO stuff
(http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/110), Hal has some articles on it as
well (http://halhelms.com/). I'm doing a NYCFUG next week on OO and CF
(http://nycfug.org). Read it all, look at the differences between each
persons approach and listen to the arguments for and against each technique
used. 


> I agree, not only that, he may want to start reviewing some of the object
> oriented CF stuff out there as well.
> 
> - Calvin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:11 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Some advice?
> 
> 
> With all the documentation FREELY available online at MM and on the new
> guy's box (installed with CFMX 7) I would have him start there. The
> documentation does follow a nice order so it should be a good, free tool
> to
> work off of until some books come out, at which point he may not even need
> them anymore.
> 
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RE: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-17 Thread Calvin Ward

I particularly enjoyed the use of the word 'uninitiated'.

I'm familiar with Fusebox, where's my robe since I'm an initiate?!?

At any rate, after having used Fusebox 3 for the last 6 months on a number
of already developed apps, I can say that there are good ways and bad ways
to build a Fusebox application, but nor am I sold on Fusebox as a solution I
would specifically choose.

However, I would choose Fusebox over no framework/methodology.

- Calvin

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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon?

> 
> 
> The question is not being in favor or not. The question is that the
approach claims
> it will make the application easier to follow, and I find the application
much harder to follow.
> Ok, "it is because the FB application was not properly structured", but
isn't FB supposed
> to precisely make the application easier to structure ?
> Ok, "the FB progammer was dumb"? But isn't FB supposed to make the task
easier for programers?
> I don't know what failed, only what I can say from the result is that, in
that particular case, 
> it is a failure. 
> 

I don't know that Fusebox necessarily makes any claims about making the 
application easier for the uninitiated to follow. From the fusebox.org site:

"the system addresses development problems such as unmanageable 
complexity, wasteful redundancy of effort, time-consuming code 
maintenance, and slow development speed. "

I'm not a fusebox zealot, but I think it does achieve those goals when 
used properly. Like any tool, in the hands of someone who doesn't know 
what they're doing it can just add an extra layer of indirection making 
it harder to follow the code. The same is true of any structured 
approach, not just Fusebox.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!)

I guess what I was getting at is that any program thats fixes and patches take 
up more space then the actual program is pretty much a "broken" product.

 Thats weird with red hat, never heard that before but I haven't used red hat. 
I have or use suse 9.1 pro, suse 9.2 pro and one other (can't remember lol) and 
I havent had hardly any updates like that, suse had 1 semi major update i 
believe, oops, im sorry "patch"

 as far as someone commented on if i had looked at xp sp2, umm yeah, even tried 
to install it once (shoulda known better!!!) and i wont make that mistake 
twice. Its funny that came up in our cfug this week (sp2) and most ppl in the 
group tried to install it and it crashed their systems, so at least its not 
just me. I tried a few months ago to install a buffer over run patch which 
wiped my system out too. Whats funny is on this months install I havent put in 
any patches and its running better than it ever has. Was running great till i 
put on .net which really slowed it down but still much better than usual.

 And yeah sp2 introduced new features but for what? Too fix their holes? All it 
did was open up 2x as many new ones, I dont think thats a security update at 
all!, probably safer to not have it at this point as ppl will be hitting the 
new holes and not the old ones.
 I did get sp2 to install on xp home on the other puter, which promtly shut 
down cfm and everything else that wasnt ms related. IMO, if they wanted 
security they shoulda just shut their services down, thats where the damn 
problems are.

 But as michael t. said its probably "user error" and i shoulda taken the time 
to find out why and I asked for a clarification but none was provided, so 
therefor in my mind its a ms botch job.

 As far as the linux kernal updating, i dont have a problem with them giving me 
a better kernal! Better than a half-assed patch thats too little, too 
late...

 dave
 aka Captain Access (per .net will) haha


From: "Ben Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:48 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!) 

> in size wise how big is that?

I don't know. I zambonied that box. It was too much of a support headache.

> then take a base copy of xp and add all the patches, fixes, sp1,sp2 and
> so on what kinda size is that?

Since when has hard drive size been an issue? For me, the bigger problem is
having to stay on top of security updates and booting the server every two
days.

> xp patches and service packs alone are probably bigger than the whole os
> install

It's possible. I don't know off hand. But the XP install is still only a
single CD. RedHat Enterprise Linux 3 was something like 6 or 7 CDs.

> and at least with your linux kernals its actually upgrading your linux
> system, i dont see where any patches or fixes are actually upgrading xp at
> all

That's part of the point. I don't want security patches and bug fixes to
introduce new features -- and new bugs necessitating new security patches
and bug fixes. If I want new features, I'll buy a new OS or install third
party software on top of my existing OS.

Regardless, you should read up on Windows XP Service Pack 2. It did, in
fact, introduce many new features. Most were added for the sake of security,
however.

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RE: Plum vs Adalon?

> From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> The question is not being in favor or not. The question is 
> that the approach claims it will make the application easier 
> to follow, and I find the application much harder to follow.
> Ok, "it is because the FB application was not properly 
> structured", but isn't FB supposed to precisely make the 
> application easier to structure ?
> Ok, "the FB progammer was dumb"? But isn't FB supposed to 
> make the task easier for programers?
> I don't know what failed, only what I can say from the result 
> is that, in that particular case, it is a failure. 

Seems like it was a poorly architected FB application.

> Not only I'm open, I have read the books, of course, and even 
> back in 95 the whole CF documentation
> when it was only a MS Word document for version 1.1 or 1.2 if 
> I remember well. 

The fusebox books? If so you would know that FB doesn't do anything for the
programmer automatically. The programmer has to take the conepts and
implement them, which is where I think the application you experienced fell
short; the programmer did not do a good job setting things up and organizing
the app... (following the framework).

> No, but I do have about 9 years experience with CF, and I can 
> definitely 
> appreciate if an approach makes things easier for me with CF or not.
> The only things I sometimes still find not really easy with 
> CF are absolutely not covered
> by FB anyway.

9 years, none of which touch on FB... so how can you justify making comments
about the Framework? No comments you make will hold weight because you are
comparing your experience against your assumptions of the framework...
doesn't make sense.




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Re: Some advice?

2005-02-17 Thread Jeff Small

Thanks guys. I installed blackstone during the beta, and loved the 
documentation, but I wasn't sure if that documentation was going to be 
installed during the final release. I'll have him stick to the documentation 
in the new release.

As far as the object oriented CF stuff out there goes...I've already given 
him Christian's Mach II guide url and told him that's his first place to 
start from.

>I agree, not only that, he may want to start reviewing some of the object
> oriented CF stuff out there as well.
>
> - Calvin
>
>
> With all the documentation FREELY available online at MM and on the new
> guy's box (installed with CFMX 7) I would have him start there. The
> documentation does follow a nice order so it should be a good, free tool 
> to
> work off of until some books come out, at which point he may not even need
> them anymore.
>
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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-17 Thread Spike

> 
> 
> The question is not being in favor or not. The question is that the approach 
> claims
> it will make the application easier to follow, and I find the application 
> much harder to follow.
> Ok, "it is because the FB application was not properly structured", but isn't 
> FB supposed
> to precisely make the application easier to structure ?
> Ok, "the FB progammer was dumb"? But isn't FB supposed to make the task 
> easier for programers?
> I don't know what failed, only what I can say from the result is that, in 
> that particular case, 
> it is a failure. 
> 

I don't know that Fusebox necessarily makes any claims about making the 
application easier for the uninitiated to follow. From the fusebox.org site:

"the system addresses development problems such as unmanageable 
complexity, wasteful redundancy of effort, time-consuming code 
maintenance, and slow development speed. "

I'm not a fusebox zealot, but I think it does achieve those goals when 
used properly. Like any tool, in the hands of someone who doesn't know 
what they're doing it can just add an extra layer of indirection making 
it harder to follow the code. The same is true of any structured 
approach, not just Fusebox.

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RE: Some advice?

2005-02-17 Thread Mike Nimer

I would have him start with the getting started experience, specifically the
Snippet Explorer. 

The "getting started with cfml" node in the explorer is geared for the new
user to learn CF, it covers the basics across the board starting with
cfquery/cfoutput. So I'd have him start there, then work his way through all
the examples. 

http://www.macromedia.com/examples/cfgettingstarted/experience/index_content
..cfm 

Hth,
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the main engine is still basicaly 6.1, so it wouldnt hurt to give him those
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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

 >>Fusebox is a tool, like a hammer. Any tool is only

>>worth the hands of its holder.  With a hammer, it's just as easy to
>>accidently destroy your thumb as it is to hammer in a nail.

C'mon, fuses, circuits, now hammers,... enough with metaphors, periphases and 
parabolas ;-)
If FB is like a hammer, the nail should be knocked in more easily and more 
correctly, 
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RE: Some advice?

2005-02-17 Thread Dave Watts

> Do I even WANT to get him any books at this point? He's still going to
> have to know the basics of CFMX 6.1 and CFMX in general, but I wonder 
> how much better off he'd be just waiting for a CFMX 7 book.

Most of the core functionality of CF hasn't changed with CFMX 7. If he needs
to learn CFMX now, and he needs a book to help him with that, there's no
reason to wait for a CFMX 7 book. In fact, unless you intend for him to
write purely CFC-centric applications using OO, he should be able to learn
the basics from a CF 4 book! Just make sure you tell him about CFCOMPONENT
and CFFUNCTION at some point.

In addition, you might want him to start with the CFMX documentation, which
is a good introduction and is freely available.

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RE: CFGRID layout control 2 questions...

2005-02-17 Thread Mike Nimer

Yea, just set the height big enough to hold all the rows.  And there is a
way to turn off all sorting, but not on some columns and not others. Just
set sort="No" in the cfgrid tag.

Hth,
---nimer
 

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Subject: CFGRID layout control 2 questions...

Nimer et al.

Is there a way I can get a CFGRID to show all 8 rows and not show the scroll
bar?

Is there a way to disable sorting by clicking the column header?

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cfqueryparam and performance

2005-02-17 Thread Rick Root

I always thought of  as primarily a security tag to help 
avoid SQL injection.  Honestly, I now think that's really a secondary 
purpose.  It's all about performance!

We have a table with email addresses for some 80,000 alumni here at 
Duke.  When I do an email search without using cfqueryparam against our 
DB2 mainframe, it takes about 2500ms to return... if I do another 
lookup, it takes another 2500ms.

However, if I use a bind variable, the first takes 2500ms, and then the 
second only takes about 500ms.

I saw similar performance increases against Oracle, althoug the table is 
faster in oracle because it's indexed better, and it's inside our 
firewall... took about 150ms.

I have also noticed that SQL Server seems to do some kind of automatic 
bind variable creation, because I saw no real performance advantage in 
SQL Server... with or without bind variables, the second query took 0ms.

Bottom line... always use CFQUERYPARAM, even if you're using other 
methods to prevent SQL Injection!

  - Rick


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Re: CFTicket?

2005-02-17 Thread K0rneliuz Van Strauss XIV

It's definitely worthwhile!! I just spoke with Cedric, he said they
are just experiencing a few server issues... they should be sorted
shortly..


On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:30:41 -0500, Adkins, Randy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.mindkeeper.net/products/csc
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Colman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:07 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: CFTicket?
> 
> Whatever happened to CFTicket? Are they still around? Is the application
> worthwhile for low-medium volumes of customer support?
> 
> If not, can anyone recommend another CF (or other) web-based customer
> support tracking application?
> 
> TNX.
> 
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Re: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!)

yeah i know, thats a pretty piss poor answer if you ask me(not yours, theirs), 
pretty much sums them up.

From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:46 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!) 

> And if you dont think thats true about ie then please explain to me why 
> they can't or won't make ie compliant?

Very simple to answer Davethey are the biggest so they don't have to 
(it's like saying you have all the guns so you make all the rules)

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

now when i think of fusebox i think of myspace.com and thats gotta be the worse 
performing cfm app i have ever seen.

From: Joe Rinehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:01 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon? 

> > - when you look at the source code, find what's wrong, it
> > takes hours to figure out which actual template the code comes from.

Fusedocs exist for a reason.

> That could stem from one of two things: a poorly structured FB application
> or an uninformed developer in regards to FB.

Right on, Mike. Fusebox is a tool, like a hammer. Any tool is only
worth the hands of its holder. With a hammer, it's just as easy to
accidently destroy your thumb as it is to hammer in a nail.

Using a tool like Fusebox, Mach-II, or even (ok, I'll say it) Plum at
least makes maintenance easier by giving developers a common starting
point. The flipside of that is that you have to know how to use the
tool.

It'd be a weirdly built world if we all used our own hammers built our own way.

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

 >>You can't discredit an  application or the ability to easily follow 
it just bacause you are not in

>>favor of the approach.

The question is not being in favor or not. The question is that the approach 
claims
it will make the application easier to follow, and I find the application much 
harder to follow.
Ok, "it is because the FB application was not properly structured", but isn't 
FB supposed
to precisely make the application easier to structure ?
Ok, "the FB progammer was dumb"? But isn't FB supposed to make the task easier 
for programers?
I don't know what failed, only what I can say from the result is that, in that 
particular case, 
it is a failure. 


 >>I would say that if you are not open to learning above and beyond the 
first

>>5 chapters of the CF WACK then you are in the wrong field. 

Not only I'm open, I have read the books, of course, and even back in 95 the 
whole CF documentation
when it was only a MS Word document for version 1.1 or 1.2 if I remember well. 


 >>I am not sure you are in position to even make such a claim 
considering your

>>have very little experience with Fusebox. 

No, but I do have about 9 years experience with CF, and I can definitely 
appreciate if an approach makes things easier for me with CF or not.
The only things I sometimes still find not really easy with CF are absolutely 
not covered
by FB anyway.


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RE: Some advice?

2005-02-17 Thread Calvin Ward

I agree, not only that, he may want to start reviewing some of the object
oriented CF stuff out there as well.

- Calvin

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Subject: RE: Some advice?

With all the documentation FREELY available online at MM and on the new
guy's box (installed with CFMX 7) I would have him start there. The
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cfregistry in cf7

2005-02-17 Thread Steve Brownlee

Every time I try to use the CFREGISTRY tag in CF7, it throws an exception
(shown below).  This is the only tag that's failing to work correctly.
Anyone else have experience with this?  If so, thanks in advance.

Here's the error:
-
Unable to load library 



Here's the stack trace:
---
coldfusion.tagext.lang.RegistryException: Unable to load library
at coldfusion.tagext.lang.RegistryTag.doStartTag(RegistryTag.java:97)
at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage._emptyTag(CfJspPage.java:1908)
at
cfsetup_general2ecfm845001768._factor41(C:\jboss-4.0.1\server\default\deploy\
**\setup_general.cfm:13)

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RE: Some advice?

the main engine is still basicaly 6.1, so it wouldnt hurt to give him those 
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CFGRID layout control 2 questions...

2005-02-17 Thread Brendan OHara

Nimer et al.

Is there a way I can get a CFGRID to show all 8 rows and not show the 
scroll bar?

Is there a way to disable sorting by clicking the column header?

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RE: Some advice?

> From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> We hired a new programmer this week. He's not that familiar 
> with CF, but he'll get up to speed pretty quickly, and we 
> wanted to get him some books, but here's where I started 
> thinking too much...
> 
> He's coming in at a perfect time, with the introduction of 
> CFMX 7, and he's already installed it at the house (dev 
> edition) and he's going to really be learning from the ground 
> up with CFMX 7.
> 
> Do I even WANT to get him any books at this point? He's still 
> going to have to know the basics of CFMX 6.1 and CFMX in 
> general, but I wonder how much better off he'd be just 
> waiting for a CFMX 7 book. I've buzzed amazon, but I can't 
> really find anything on 7 yet, but I might not be searching right.
> 
> So what would you guys do if you had a new programmer, who's 
> going to start from the ground up, two weeks after the 
> release of CFMX 7? We've got legacy stuff that's all written 
> in CFMX 6.1, and it's not radically different, but I *do* 
> have to do something in terms of coming up with some kinda 
> training for this guy... 


With all the documentation FREELY available online at MM and on the new
guy's box (installed with CFMX 7) I would have him start there. The
documentation does follow a nice order so it should be a good, free tool to
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them anymore.

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Some advice?

2005-02-17 Thread Jeff Small

We hired a new programmer this week. He's not that familiar with CF, but 
he'll get up to speed pretty quickly, and we wanted to get him some books, 
but here's where I started thinking too much...

He's coming in at a perfect time, with the introduction of CFMX 7, and he's 
already installed it at the house (dev edition) and he's going to really be 
learning from the ground up with CFMX 7.

Do I even WANT to get him any books at this point? He's still going to have 
to know the basics of CFMX 6.1 and CFMX in general, but I wonder how much 
better off he'd be just waiting for a CFMX 7 book. I've buzzed amazon, but I 
can't really find anything on 7 yet, but I might not be searching right.

So what would you guys do if you had a new programmer, who's going to start 
from the ground up, two weeks after the release of CFMX 7? We've got legacy 
stuff that's all written in CFMX 6.1, and it's not radically different, but 
I *do* have to do something in terms of coming up with some kinda training 
for this guy... 



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CFUNITED news, SQL interview, CFMX certification study group

2005-02-17 Thread Michael Smith

In this issue of ColdFusion conference and training news:
1. CFUNITED News and Q & A
2. Interview CF and SQL with SQL expert Joan Falcao
3. CFMX certification study group - new Thursday group TODAY

Happy coding
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1. CFUNITED News

* There are only 8 days left for the earlybird price on CFUNITED-05 - ends Fri
2/25/05

* Ben Forta interview video released at http://www.cfunited.com/index.cfm
(uses Macromedia Flash Video)

* Meet CFUNITED speakers including Ben Forta at CFUNITED Sneak Peek Wed 3/2/05
Prizes include one copy of CFMX 7 Standard and a ticket to CFUNITED.
For more details and to register see:
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* 132 days until CFUNITED-05

* CFUNITED-05 press release at
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* Pre and Post conference special classes are being planned for CFUNITED-05
details coming soon.

* The offical airline of CFUNITED-05 is... you guessed it United Airlines!
United Airlines is offering discounts to all attendees for their travel
to the Washington DC area. Servicing Dulles, BWI, and Reagan National
airports.
10% off tickets purchased before May 29th
5% off tickets purchased after May 29th

* CFUNITED-05 Q & A
***
Q: I'm pushing CFUNITED to my coworkers and I received a couple questions
that I thought you could help me with. Why did the price go up so much?
We know that it is 3 days vs. 2 but the price is twice what is was last year.

A: The extra costs are the extra day, providing lunch on 3
days plus open bar reception on Wed night, a larger (and much nicer)
hotel than last year. Also the hotel during the week charge events more
than events at weekends. All this adds up to why the price went up 100%
instead of 50%. At $399 (with discount code) for 3 days of training that
works out at less than $135 per day and I think is still a bargin.

Q: Will the full agenda with sessions & associated timeslots be out before
the early bird deadline of 2/25?

A: We will have a draft agenda up next week. The final agenda is not fixed
because we still have some slots to fill from Macromedia and
Microsoft and they will affect the schedule. In addition we plan to
repeat some popular sessions and need to poll attendees to find out
which ones to repeat.

Q: Will there be a MMUG manager visiblity event at CFUNITED like last year?

A: Yes we are planning both a visiblity event (green MMUG manager hats anyone?)
and a special reception for managers, speakers and other VIPs like Team
Macromedia. This
is a great chance to meet potential speakers for your group...

Q: Will there be a MMUG manager day before CFUNITED like last year?

A: Yes we are planning one to help you run your group better

Let me know if you have any other questions
- Michael

2. CF and SQL interview with Joan Falcao

MS: I am talking with CF206 SQL class teacher Joan Falcao. Why should someone
come to
your SQL class?

JF: Because you've been driving your BMW around in first gear, and you suspect
you're missing out on something? An SQL engine is an amazing piece of software!
And it's quite possible to use it for years as little more than an electronic
filing cabinet for your records. You could be missing out on so much. This
class shows you some of the great features of an SQL database and how to harness
them from a ColdFusion interface.

MS: What kinds of things might people be missing out on?

JF: Well, the first things that comes to mind are basic things, like joining
tables and summarizing data. Then there are "data mining" types of things:
finding missing data and analyzing patterns in your data.

MS: But can't you do that in ColdFusion - why learn how to do it in SQL too?

JF: Most of this you can do in ColdFusion. But why reinvent the wheel? For
example, instead of joining tables in SQL, you could write nested ColdFusion
queries: you could loop through a ColdFusion query on table1 and then run a
query on table2 to find rows related to the row in table1. Or -- another
example -- when you want to total up the values in a column, you could write a
ColdFusion query to bring back all the rows of interest and then add the values
up inside the query loop. But if you stop to think about the inefficiency of it
all... Well, it makes me cringe. And the data mining things would probably
just never happen, because it's hard to justify writing code to find data
relationships that might be useful. Running a query, on the other hand, is
quicker and easier. It might happen today!

MS: What

Re: Plum vs Adalon?

> > - when you look at the source code, find what's wrong, it
> > takes hours to figure out which actual template the code comes from.

Fusedocs exist for a reason.

> That could stem from one of two things: a poorly structured FB application
> or an uninformed developer in regards to FB.

Right on, Mike.  Fusebox is a tool, like a hammer.  Any tool is only
worth the hands of its holder.  With a hammer, it's just as easy to
accidently destroy your thumb as it is to hammer in a nail.

Using a tool like Fusebox, Mach-II, or even (ok, I'll say it) Plum at
least makes maintenance easier by giving developers a common starting
point.  The flipside of that is that you have to know how to use the
tool.

It'd be a weirdly built world if we all used our own hammers built our own way.

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RE: CFTicket?

2005-02-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz

I've contacted the site owner about it being down.
 
> Whatever happened to CFTicket? Are they still around? Is the application
> worthwhile for low-medium volumes of customer support?
> 
> If not, can anyone recommend another CF (or other) web-based customer
> support tracking application?
> 
> TNX.
> 
> Rick Colman
> 
> 
> 
> 

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MORE: CFTicket?

2005-02-17 Thread Richard Colman

TNX for the reference. However, I also need a call log for customer support
requests coming in by telephone. 

Any recommendations appreciated.

Rick Colman 

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RE: Plum vs Adalon?

> From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

> - too many files are included,

Are you looking at FB4? The only included files there come from the circuit
files or the parsed fuseactions which you do not directly access anyway
so not sure how this is a valid point.

> - templates names are almost never explicit, but in variables defined 5 or
6 includes back,

Interesting... 

qry_selectRegisteredUsers.cfm
act_sendNewsletter.cfm
dsp_confirmation.cfm

What is so hard about the above names?

> - when you look at the source code, find what's wrong, it 
> takes hours to figure out which actual template the code comes from.

That could stem from one of two things: a poorly structured FB application
or an uninformed developer in regards to FB.




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RE: CFTicket?

2005-02-17 Thread Adkins, Randy

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RE: Plum vs Adalon?

> From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> This may very well be true, and this is exactly the trouble.
> A good CF application, I'd say ANY application written in ANY 
> language, should be easily followed by any one who is good 
> enough in the language.

I don't think you will find anyone who disagrees with that! However, keep in
mind that there are many ways to achieve the same end result in programming
so even though you might have a decent command of the language, you may run
into times when you don't follow the approach because you would have chosen
a different one yourself. For instance, I use Fusebox with application A and
you come along and say you don't know what the hell is going on that
does not mean either of us is any less of a programmer, it simply means we
do not agree on the approach taken even though there is nothing wrong with
the approach that was taken! You follow me? You can't discredit an
application or the ability to easily follow it just bacause you are not in
favor of the approach.

> If he needs to learn some dialect above the language, plus a 
> religion about the language, then it makes everything 
> complicated for nothing and maintenance more difficult.

I would say that if you are not open to learning above and beyond the first
5 chapters of the CF WACK then you are in the wrong field. There will ALWAYS
be better ways to do things and shorter, faster, more efficient means to
reach the end. Not everyone is going to code like you nor can you expect
that. Either expand your knowledge and deal with the fact that the ability
to do things differently exists or refrain from making such ridiculous
claims such "complicated for nothing" and "maintenance more difficult". I
have worked on many applications, not necessarily Fusebox related whereby
they were solid and easily maintained and expanded and some not so. Same
goes for FB apps.
 
> The second point is that I'm not convinced that it makes 
> things easier even for those familiar with the framework, 
> even if they all claim it does. 

I am not sure you are in position to even make such a claim considering your
have very little experience with Fusebox. I would also venture to say that
the people who do use Fusebox would disagree with you about the framework
NOT making things easier. It sure does make things easier and more organized
or people wouldn't use it!




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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-17 Thread Aaron Rouse

I understand your second point, whether it is valid or not is probably
in the eye of the beholders.

As far as Plum from what I gathered in the descriptions, it actually
would be a well loved tool around here.  Not necessarily by me, but by
some of the people in this group.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:19:04 -0500, Claude Schneegans
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The second point is that I'm not convinced that it makes things easier even 
> for those
> familiar with the framework, even if they all claim it does.
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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

 >>just wondering if this is a case where if someone was then they could 
follow it easily.

This may very well be true, and this is exactly the trouble.
A good CF application, I'd say ANY application written in ANY language,
should be easily followed by any one who is good enough in the language.
If he needs to learn some dialect above the language, plus a religion about the 
language,
then it makes everything complicated for nothing and maintenance more difficult.

The second point is that I'm not convinced that it makes things easier even for 
those
familiar with the framework, even if they all claim it does. 

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

 >>If the FB app is structured properly and you can read

It is not the fact that the app is structured properly or not; As a matter of 
fact, 
I think it is.
The problem is with the concept of the structure itself: it is sometimes 10 
times more complicated
than the whole application itself.
- too many files are included,
- templates names are almost never explicit, but in variables defined 5 or 6 
includes back,
- when you look at the source code, find what's wrong, it takes hours to figure 
out which actual template
the code comes from.

>>down through a circuit file, it should be a matter of adding a couple fuses
and away you go.

The problem is that I'm no electrician, just a programmer ;-)


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CFTicket?

2005-02-17 Thread Richard Colman

 
Whatever happened to CFTicket? Are they still around? Is the application
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If not, can anyone recommend another CF (or other) web-based customer
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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-17 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:13:51 -0500, Joe Rinehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the "owner" of generated code
> be the developer using it?  As it is, every generated page comes out
> "This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc."
> I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the legal implications of
> this are enough to bar me from commercial use.

Ah HA!  That's why they're giving PLUM away for free...it's a covert
attempt to take ownership of ALL content on the Internet.

sly those churvis boys are :)

(sorry...just trying to lighten the convo up a bit)

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-17 Thread Adam Churvis

> >As it is, every generated page comes out
> >"This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc."
>
> Surely this cannot be true!

Oversight on our part.  The copyright should just appear in the pre-fabbed
framework code.  I don't think we have to get the Hague involved on this one
;)

> >From my observation and in regards to past threads on Plum, it seems
> like they still cannot accurately say who they are targeting with this
> product. It surely isnt targeted at developers.

It's targeted to any developer who wants to use it.  Why are you so
concerned with our targeting a market?

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-17 Thread Adam Churvis

> This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the "owner" of generated code
> be the developer using it?  As it is, every generated page comes out
> "This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc."
> I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the legal implications of
> this are enough to bar me from commercial use.

The terms of use are detailed in the EULA; the copyright really ought to be
just in the building blocks, so we'll remove it from the generated code and
just keep it in the pre-fabbed framework code in V1.1.

Thanks for pointing this out, Joe.

Also, you and I should talk sometime on the phone regarding how Plum uses
the DatabaseBlocks CFC and how it might use an alternate method in the
future.  I'm not totally fixed on using the generalized DatabaseBlocks
methods as the only method to interact with the database.  I'm at
770-446-8866 if you have some time and you want to chat.

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RE: jwz on Groupware + one good reason to use cfqueryparam [was R e: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!)]

2005-02-17 Thread Dave Watts

> For instance, what if the fields contain quotes?
>
> ...
>
> And it works! Now, that isn't the behaviour I'd expect, so what am 
> I missing?

CF escapes the existing single quotes first from the argument given to
ListQualify, then ListQualify adds them around each list item. It's the way
it has always worked, before there even was a CFQUERYPARAM tag.

> Anyway, the main thrust of my code was to say that  made
> the type of the list unimportant. It just makes inserting lists into
> queries a bit easier.

Again, though, it doesn't. I'm not trying to be annoying about this, but
there are perfectly good reasons to use CFQUERYPARAM; there's no reason to
provide specious ones.

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-17 Thread Spike

I would agree with everything Joe says here.

Plum certainly has it's place in the market. How big that place is I 
don't know, but I'm sure a lot of people will find it useful to them.

Having written a few frameworks myself and used quite a few others I 
know what works for me and a fundamental requirement is that ease of 
maintenance should be a primary consideration for all aspects of the 
application. That's why I share Joe's concerns about the commingling of 
display and business logic. If any application logic has to be repeated 
in multiple places maintenance becomes more difficult, but often the 
only way to avoid that is to build abstraction into the core of the 
application. Unfortunately Plum doesn't really allow for much in the way 
of abstraction and actively gets in the way in a lot of cases.

The downside of all that abstraction is that it takes more time and 
effort to get the thing built in the first place, and documenting the 
application becomes more important. If you get it right though, it 
*always* seems to pay for itself in the long run.

The market reality is that a lot of people could care less about 
abstraction of logic and building for maintenance. They have app 
requirements and they need the app done quickly. Often, even if they do 
have the time to build the app, they often don't have the experience to 
know what will work and what won't. Without having your fingers burnt by 
experience a few times it is very difficult to know beforehand whether 
an approach is a good one or not.

This, of course is only opinion based on *my* experience, not fact. If 
you disagree you no doubt have your own reasons and I'm certainly not 
going to tell you you're wrong. Unless you're working for me of course ;)

Spike

Joe Rinehart wrote:
> Adam,
> 
> I'm not trying to attack Plum.  If I was, I'd say something silly and
> offensive.  My observations come after using Plum, trying it out, and
> taking some of its guts apart.
> 
> 
>>The way it works,
>>what it contains, how applications are organized, and how Plum applications
>>are written.
> 
> 
> The way it works simply isn't what I'd find ideal.  There's so
> seperation of logic - a page is responsible for both is view and its
> business logic, making that an "atomic capsule."  If Plum generated
> data access and possibly business object CFCs for the tables it
> represented, and its tags instead used those, I could then at least
> reuse the business logic and data access portions elsewhere without
> having to reinvent the wheel.
> 
> This is a step backwards from the point of frameworks like Fusebox and
> Mach-II, and is exactly why Plum can be compared to neither.  Plum
> generates code that maintains a status quo of spaghetti code,
> requiring custom business logic to be spread throughout the
> presentation layer.
> 
> 
>>Please, before you go spreading FUD due to a lack of understanding, please
>>either seriously learn about the product
> 
> 
> I'm not spreading unfounded FUD - I've looked at your product in fair
> depth.  I'm not going to delve into a technical discussion of its
> mechanics, but I've examined them in detail.
> 
> I've been using Plum since the first public beta.  I haven't done
> anything terribly complicated with it, but I've built some basic CRUD
> and master/detail applications with verity searching, and played with
> content management, which is what I imagine most Plum users would find
> to be about their extend of its use.
> 
> 
>>Try not to prejudice others who haven't even looked yet.
> 
> 
> Anyone who puts a product into the open marketplace must expect find
> opinions contrary their own marketing.   As some say, "any publicity
> is good publicity."
> 
> As I said earlier, "I can see Plum being useful for basic, CRUD
> applications."  And I can.  It's mind-numbingly easy to create simple
> or master/detail CRUD app.  However, what I think is missing is a
> plug-in point where I can add business logic to my business units
> without having to continually reinvent the wheel.  I really think Plum
> could be quite powerful if it looked into using CFC-based
> representations of the tables it acted upon.
> 
> This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the "owner" of generated code
> be the developer using it?  As it is, every generated page comes out
> "This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc." 
> I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the legal implications of
> this are enough to bar me from commercial use.
> 
> With respect,
> 
> Joe
> 
> 

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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-17 Thread Rick Faircloth

Good idea...thanks Kevin...

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

Rick,

Something you may want to consider is to have three instances of a site:
dev, test, and production.

Dev - where you break a site
Test - where they look at a site while you're free to break the one on dev
Production - the final site

We used to have just a development site and a production site and it was
common that we'd ask people to test the development site for us and we'd
break it writing new code and they couldn't see it or they'd see things
mid-transition.

(I personally don't like the word "production" for the final site, but it
seems like a common term.)

-Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:07 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

Ok...I see that Virtual Directories work just like I thought they should
for websites that have domains pointing to the server already.

However, I usually show my clients their websites as they're being
developed by using a direct URL, such as
http://66.xx.xx.138/cfdocs/website/index.cfm.

That keeps it out of the public eye, yet gives the client access during
the development process.

Is there a way to do the same thing if I'm using directories not under the
wwwroot?

Perhaps, a main website with virtual subdirectories for the sites under
development,
such as www.MyMainWebsite.com/WebsiteUnderDevelopment ?

I'll try that...

Rick

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RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

2005-02-17 Thread Rick Faircloth

Good idea, Calvin...

Thanks,

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

Cfide is a bit more tricky because it is required to administer your CF
Server.

You'll want to set it up on a IIS site that isn't accessible to anyone but
yourself.

The most straight forward way to accomplish this is set your 'default' site
to the IP address of 127.0.0.1 and have your cfide under there. This should
make that site only accessible from that box itself. There are additional
steps that can be taken, but that's a good start.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

So...do I just move the folder to some other location?

Any functional implications for doing that?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

Nothing contained with the cfdocs (as provided by the install) is necessary
for operation of the ColdFusion server. In some versions of CF there are
security risks in the sample apps that are placed there.

While we're on it, you don't want cfide to be publicly accessible either,
that's even more significant.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

Is there any particular reason for removing the cfdocs directory?
Space?

Any possible complications from not having anything that's in there?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

I'd recommended removing the cfdocs directory completely. The documentation
is available at livedocs.macromedia.com or from within HomeSite or
Dreamweaver. It can also be downloaded from www.macromedia.com.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Virtual Directories for Websites...follow-up remarks

Ok...I see that Virtual Directories work just like I thought they should
for websites that have domains pointing to the server already.

However, I usually show my clients their websites as they're being
developed by using a direct URL, such as
http://66.xx.xx.138/cfdocs/website/index.cfm.

That keeps it out of the public eye, yet gives the client access during
the development process.

Is there a way to do the same thing if I'm using directories not under the
wwwroot?

Perhaps, a main website with virtual subdirectories for the sites under
development,
such as www.MyMainWebsite.com/WebsiteUnderDevelopment ?

I'll try that...

Rick

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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

2005-02-17 Thread Adrocknaphobia

>As it is, every generated page comes out
>"This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc."

Surely this cannot be true!

>From my observation and in regards to past threads on Plum, it seems
like they still cannot accurately say who they are targeting with this
product. It surely isnt targeted at developers.

-Adam


On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:13:51 -0500, Joe Rinehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam,
> 
> I'm not trying to attack Plum.  If I was, I'd say something silly and
> offensive.  My observations come after using Plum, trying it out, and
> taking some of its guts apart.
> 
> > The way it works,
> > what it contains, how applications are organized, and how Plum applications
> > are written.
> 
> The way it works simply isn't what I'd find ideal.  There's so
> seperation of logic - a page is responsible for both is view and its
> business logic, making that an "atomic capsule."  If Plum generated
> data access and possibly business object CFCs for the tables it
> represented, and its tags instead used those, I could then at least
> reuse the business logic and data access portions elsewhere without
> having to reinvent the wheel.
> 
> This is a step backwards from the point of frameworks like Fusebox and
> Mach-II, and is exactly why Plum can be compared to neither.  Plum
> generates code that maintains a status quo of spaghetti code,
> requiring custom business logic to be spread throughout the
> presentation layer.
> 
> > Please, before you go spreading FUD due to a lack of understanding, please
> > either seriously learn about the product
> 
> I'm not spreading unfounded FUD - I've looked at your product in fair
> depth.  I'm not going to delve into a technical discussion of its
> mechanics, but I've examined them in detail.
> 
> I've been using Plum since the first public beta.  I haven't done
> anything terribly complicated with it, but I've built some basic CRUD
> and master/detail applications with verity searching, and played with
> content management, which is what I imagine most Plum users would find
> to be about their extend of its use.
> 
> > Try not to prejudice others who haven't even looked yet.
> 
> Anyone who puts a product into the open marketplace must expect find
> opinions contrary their own marketing.   As some say, "any publicity
> is good publicity."
> 
> As I said earlier, "I can see Plum being useful for basic, CRUD
> applications."  And I can.  It's mind-numbingly easy to create simple
> or master/detail CRUD app.  However, what I think is missing is a
> plug-in point where I can add business logic to my business units
> without having to continually reinvent the wheel.  I really think Plum
> could be quite powerful if it looked into using CFC-based
> representations of the tables it acted upon.
> 
> This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the "owner" of generated code
> be the developer using it?  As it is, every generated page comes out
> "This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc."
> I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the legal implications of
> this are enough to bar me from commercial use.
> 
> With respect,
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
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Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was "RE: Plum vs Adalon?")

> You're missing 90% of Plum, Joe.

Adam, you're very much underestimating what I've done with Plum.  I
wouldn't talk about it if I hadn't looked at it in great detail.  I've
probably looked at the docs more extensively than most of your users,
examined the custom tag library, used tools like the component and
storedproc generator, read the Plum methodology (I think FLiP has you
beat), and I can even tell you what "Help" node is simply labelled
"Psych!".  I took a great interest in Plum in its Beta stages because
it similar to something I was thinking of releasing.

This post asked for a comparison between Plum and other frameworks /
tools.  I wouldn't add my opinion if I didn't feel I was informed
enough to have one.  I'm probably in a better place to compare FB and
Plum than most users of either.  Because my opinion doesn't match
yours is no reason to call me ignorant or uninformed.



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Re: Plum vs Adalon?

> Plum does too much in the way of generating application code 
> and too little in the way of providing powerful APIs that can be extended...

Ok, so Spike can say in one sentence what takes me a couple of
paragraphs to try to hint at.

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Re: jwz on Groupware + one good reason to use cfqueryparam [was R e: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!)]

2005-02-17 Thread Keith Gaughan

Dave Watts wrote:

> I'm a big fan of CFQUERYPARAM,

As any right-thinking person would be.

> but this is a bad example to justify its use. You don't need to do all
> that work. There's a function called ListQualify that takes care of
 > this for you:

Forgot about that one! Cheers!

>  
> SELECT  categoryId, title, description 
> FROMcategories 
> WHERE   categoryId IN 
> (#ListQualify(FORM.categoryList, "'")#)
> 

That's not quite the same though. For instance, what if the fields
contain quotes? I check the docs just in case and it doesn't mention
anything about escaping the qualifier, which is what I though. Just
in case, I knocked out the following bit of code:

 #lst#

 #lst#

and got the following results:

 this,is,a,b'i'g,test
 'this','is','a','b'i'g','test'

Now, I haven't checked yet to see if CF will escape the single quotes in
the fourth list element, but I think it should balk at this. Of course,
I need to check.

Ok, I will... after the above code, I added:

 foo = QueryNew("bar");
 QueryAddRow(foo, 1);
 QuerySetCell(foo, "bar", "b'i'g", 1);

 SELECT  *
 FROMfoo
 WHERE   bar IN (#lst#)

And boom! Query of queries error. Ok, I expected that. We'll try some
voodoo: This is probably because I omitted PreserveSingleQuotes() or
something. I rarely drop variable values straight into queries. So I'll
wrap it around lst in the query...

And kaboom again. Ok, time for more voodoo: I'll get rid of the
PreserveSingleQuotes() and move the ListQualify() in there instead, as
in the example you gave...

And it works! Now, that isn't the behaviour I'd expect, so what am I 
missing?

Anyway, the main thrust of my code was to say that  made
the type of the list unimportant. It just makes inserting lists into
queries a bit easier.

I wrote that little rant after digging though a big heap of code that
did somewhat horrible things in queries with lists. It wasn't any of
ours, thank goodness, but a third-party bit of code.

Point taken though. Must get some sleep. :-)

K.

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