Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Rey Bango]

Hi Dale,

> I have to agree that I have never had issues selling the benefits of CF and
> ROI, it's actually an easy sell.

Exactly! :)

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

Ok, my forth attempt to post this. Jeez, the list server was down for two
attempts and then I got 2 bounces saying my message is over 100 lines.
Hopefully this one will get through. This is in reply to Charles talking
about needing CF Ent for the Oracle connectivity.

You can use the Oracle j2ee drivers (that comes with Oracle) to work with CF
standard. Just a little more work on your end, but it works fine.

This is for Oracle 10g, it may be slightly different for other versions..
-Find the ojdbc14.jar driver on your oracle installation -Put that jar into
your WEB-INF\lib -In coldfusion, create a new datasource and choose "other"
as the driver
-JDBC URL would be jdbc:oracle:thin:@ip:port:database
-Driver Class oracle.jdbc.OracleDriver

Now why does CF standard not just go ahead and do this for you. Well franky
I don't know, but it really doesn't matter if you have the drivers anyway.
It does confuse the hack out of people, which is bad. Wanted to make sure
you knew this before you decided to jump ship :)

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Re: dreamweaver CF8 help

[James Holmes]

Have you tried the "reference" panel window in DW, considering this is
what that extension is updating?

On 7/31/07, Chad Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I installed the CF8 Dreamweaver updater and the help files are not local they 
> go to livedocs...  and the URL doesn't even work.  
> http://www.adobe.com/go/livedocs_cf8docs
>
> What good are help files if I have to be online to get to them?
>
> Adobe really seems to be pushing Eclipse... are they trying to kill 
> Dreamweaver?
>
> I would use Eclipse if I could find a way to auto complete CSS while coding 
> in CF with auto complete.  Dreamweaver I get auto complete for CSS and CF.
>
>
> 

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Will Tomlinson]

>> That sure sounds cool.
>> What is it?
>
>www.justfuckinggoogleit.com


LMAO!!! 

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Rey Bango]

Again, we'll disagree.

If a client is not willing to spend the money it takes to build their 
site the right way, then to me, its not worth wasting my time on them. 
And to date, I've been "ridiculously" successful by doing just that.

Just as my clients are selective about whom they choose, I'm selective 
about the clients that I work with.

Rey...

Andy Matthews wrote:
> That's a ridiculous statement Rey...  
> 
> Just because a client doesn't want to drop 1/4 or 1/5 oif their budget on an
> application server doesn't mean that they're not worth doing business with.
> 
> 
> andy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:48 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin
> 
> Yes and its not the type of client prospect you should waste time and effort
> on.
> 
>> Well, that would be sad if someone did that. If someone can't calculate an
> ROI, they're incompetent to run a company.
>> CoolJJ
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[James Holmes]

On 7/31/07, Charles E. Heizer1 wrote:
>I just recently started playing with Visual Studio .Net, and it's far
easier to write web services and create great web content.

How is the .NET code for a webservice easier than writing access="remote"?

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Larry Lyons]

>Dale,
>I'd suggest posting the content of your blog here rather than just the url.
>As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price
>increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people
>here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise.
>

We use it at here at ATCC. But given this price increase we'll probably be 
moving over to Blue Dragon. 

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

I wasn't the presenter at that CFUnited, but here's my CFDJ article talking
about JVM tuning which uses several of the free tools from Sun which I also
presented at the CFUnited Express in Atlanta this past spring.

http://labs.fusionlink.com/katapult/index.cfm?page=articles/jvmtuning

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"which generally you can find free tools to analyze. Someone had a fairly
good presentation 2 years ago at cfUnited about using some of these free
tools, I think he published a low cost PDF too.

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Dinner]

On 7/30/07, Jim Davis wrote:

> CF 8 (either standard or enterprise) is, unfortunately too expensive for me
> personally - but the price is far from unreasonable when you look at the
> universe of options.

Ha!  If you have a "personal" enterprise app, guess you're set.

Get coding you monkeys!  Make that 7.5 Gs look cheap.

Heh- with railo, and smith, and BD and whatnot- there are options.

For a certain type of app...  otherwise, lookout RAD (ruby, etc.).

PS- I like cheese and crackers.  If something isn't thread safe, it should
go in the request scope?
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RE: dreamweaver CF8 help

[Dave Watts]

> I installed the CF8 Dreamweaver updater and the help files 
> are not local they go to livedocs...  and the URL doesn't 
> even work.  http://www.adobe.com/go/livedocs_cf8docs

While it's not as good as the Windows Help format for this, I think, you can
download CF 8 documentation in PDF format:
http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/coldfusion/

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Paul Hastings]

Charles E. Heizer1 wrote:
> to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle connectivity.  We are an
> enterprise and when I discussed this with management they came back and said
> we should just invest our time in ASP.NET. We can retrain our developers, and
> not worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come out.

your "enterprise" shop will pay to re-train developers but not an extra $2000 
for their app server? geez, that's the stupidest thing i've heard in a long 
while and working w/the government here, i hear a lot of really dumb ideas.

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DoD CAC authentication

[Mike Miller]

I'm thinking of using CAC to provide a means of authenitcating users to a role 
controlled application. 

I've found little to cover this on the web over basic IIS "accept client certs" 
and wonder if anyone in community has worked on something similar.

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Dave Watts]

> Let's say I am on $50/hr like you say, therefore for myself 
> to pay for CF8 Ent, I'm looking at working at least 150 hours 
> before it's paid for.  OK, I may be 10% more productive than 
> PHP, but if I were using CF then I would only save 208 hours 
> per year over PHP (150 are spent paying for the license as well).
> 
> So, at the end of my year, I'm 58 profit hours up. i.e $2900. 
> If I had more than one server (say one dev, one test), I'd be 
> out of pocket to the tune of $4600. It's not such a massive 
> amount after all.

Most people buying Enterprise are not doing so to support the output of a
single developer.

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CF8 Install Problem

[Greg Fuller]

Just installed CF8 with the apache connector.  Apache is passing
..cfm's to CF only when the .cfm is in the CFIDE directory.  The CFIDE
directory is properly under my Apache root.

I'm familiar with Apache config, and the httpd.config looks good.
Obviously the connector works, because it works under CFIDE.

from: httpd.config:
---
DirectoryIndex index.php index.php3 index.html index.htm
index.html.var index.cfm
-
# JRun Settings
LoadModule jrun_module "C:/ColdFusion8/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/mod_jrun20.so"

JRunConfig Verbose false
JRunConfig Apialloc false
JRunConfig Ignoresuffixmap false
JRunConfig Serverstore
"C:/ColdFusion8/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/jrunserver.store"
JRunConfig Bootstrap 127.0.0.1:51800
#JRunConfig Errorurl url 
#JRunConfig ProxyRetryInterval 600 
#JRunConfig ConnectTimeout 15 
#JRunConfig RecvTimeout 300 
#JRunConfig SendTimeout 15 
AddHandler jrun-handler .jsp .jws .cfm .cfml .cfc .cfr .cfswf

-

This all worked under CF8 beta.  BTW, I completely uninstalled CF8
beta and made sure the httpd.config file had no references to .cfm* or
jrun before installing production CF8.

Any help would be appreciated.

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Dave Watts]

> Just because a client doesn't want to drop 1/4 or 1/5 oif 
> their budget on an application server doesn't mean that 
> they're not worth doing business with.

If doing so would save them money in the long run, and if this is something
they could easily discover by, oh, doing their job and calculating ROI, then
they're not worth doing business with. It's not worth doing business with
people who can't discern value, because they won't be able to discern your
true value either.

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Attribute validation error for tag CFFILE

[Tom Hines]

I get an error in our shopping cart application when I add a product. After I 
use application browse button to specify an image on the same drive and then 
click the submit button. I get the following error from the application and the 
application log.

Error Message from Application
Attribute validation error for tag CFFILE.  
The value of the attribute destination, which is currently "/eStore/images/", 
is invalid.  

>From the Application Log
"Error","jrpp-47","07/30/07","14:47:34","eCM","Attribute validation error for 
tag CFFILE.The value of the attribute 

destination, which is currently ""/eStore/images/"", is invalid. The specific 
sequence of files included or processed 

is: E:\web\loadingdoc\shell.cfm, line: 81 "

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Bryan Stevenson]

>I don't get this at all. People are flipping out about Enterprise going up
> in cost. How many people run Enterprise?! The standard version stays the
> same and gets a huge bump in features. The people complaining are talking
> like they raised the price of both versions. CF standard is a STEAL at
> $1299, especially with what they have added.
>
> To people who need extremely high performance (server monitoring, unlimited
> cfthread, etc.), multiple instances, gov't approved encryption, and all the
> rest, $7,500 is nothing for an enterprise application server that does
> everything CF does as easily as CF does it.
>
> For goodness sake people, take a deep breath and stop freaking out.

hear hear!!  some folks need to get over themselvespretty sad life when all 
you look forward to is blogging about how you think others decisions are bad 
IMHO

stupid stupid trolls!

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Re: cfbooks.cfm for CF 8

[Randy Johnson]

Sean Corfield wrote:
> On 7/30/07, Randy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Does anyone know where an updated cfbooks.chm file would be for CF8 if
>> one has been done yet?
>> 
>
> What's cfbooks.chm?
>   
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dreamweaver help folder.  I really like it because it makes searching 
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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Dave Watts]

> Now why does CF standard not just go ahead and do this for 
> you. Well franky I don't know, but it really doesn't matter 
> if you have the drivers anyway.

Adobe can't just bundle whatever they like. They bundle DataDirect drivers,
and pay for the privilege. Presumably, that's one reason why Enterprise
costs more than Standard - more DataDirect drivers are included.

> So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in 
> CF. For example, Standard Edition would be fine for me but I 
> need Oracle access and now I need to pay twice that just to 
> do supported Oracle connectivity.

Finding out that you can use Oracle's own JDBC drivers shouldn't take more
than a few seconds:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cfmx+standard+oracle+drivers

> We are an enterprise and when I discussed this with management 
> they came back and said we should just invest our time in ASP.NET. 
> We can retrain our developers, and not worry about buying upgrades 
> and we'll get new features as they come out.

What makes you so sure that all new versions of the .NET Framework will run
on your existing Windows servers? They might, they might not.

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:57 PM
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> 
> > You make compelling arguments. But IMO, if you have to
> > explain the ROI to someone, then you've already lost the
> > battle. There might be a few people that would be convinced
> > by your (compelling) arguments. But most people are going to
> > see that price tag and not even BOTHER reading the rest of
> > the stuff about it.
> >
> > They'll simply think "CF is too much for my budget" and go
> > install PHP or something.
> 
> So?
> 
> The point of ColdFusion, from Adobe's perspective, is to make money,
> not to
> be universally adopted. CF will be too much for some peoples' budgets.
> C'est
> la vie.

Or too little.

I still suffer from the "it's not expensive enough to be a REAL enterprise
app" syndrome.  The belief is that WebSphere (depending on load out at
upwards of 10 times CF enterprises cost) is a "better" because it's more
expensive.

CF 8 (either standard or enterprise) is, unfortunately too expensive for me
personally - but the price is far from unreasonable when you look at the
universe of options.

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CF Reports and conditional Logic

[jonese]

I'm sure this is easy (at least i hope it is) but I'm not sure how to
implement it.

We have a report of membership cards and these membership cards have
an image and then text layered on top. A user generates a PDF which
then they can cut out the cards and have it as a temporary card until
their real card arrives.

What i can't figure out is how to get a card set (there are 7 cards
total) to show or not to show if value X is populated.

if i was doing CF it would be something like


Show card image and output text


how can i accomplish this in report builder?

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Mark Mandel]

John,

>From what I know (or remember) of the legalities of it all - it is
actually rather expensive for CF to ship with a driver, as there are a
slew of licensing costs.  This was one of the reasons it took so long
to get postGres and mySQL5 drivers with CF.

But there has never, ever been any issue with you adding them in
yourself, as then the licence isn't bound to the CF product.

Annoying, I know, but that's just how the cookie crumbles.

Mark

On 7/31/07, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can use the Oracle j2ee drivers (that comes with Oracle) to work with CF
> standard. Just a little more work on your end, but it works fine.
>
> This is for Oracle 10g, it may be slightly different for other versions..
> -Find the ojdbc14.jar driver on your oracle installation
> -Put that jar into your WEB-INF\lib
> -In coldfusion, create a new datasource and choose "other" as the driver
> -JDBC URL would be jdbc:oracle:thin:@ip:port:database
> -Driver Class oracle.jdbc.OracleDriver
>
> Now why does CF standard not just go ahead and do this for you. Well franky
> I don't know, but it really doesn't matter if you have the drivers anyway.
> It does confuse the hack out of people, which is bad. Wanted to make sure
> you knew this before you decided to jump ship :)
>
>
> John
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Charles E. Heizer1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:57 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin
>
> So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in CF. For example,
> Standard Edition would be fine for me but I need Oracle access and now I
> need to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle connectivity.  We are an
> enterprise and when I discussed this with management they came back and said
> we should just invest our time in ASP.NET. We can retrain our developers,
> and not worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come
> out. You know, I don't disagree with them. I just recently started playing
> with Visual Studio .Net, and it's far easier to write web services and
> create great web content.
>
> Adobe thanks for the memories, a user/developer since version 4.5.
>
> - Charles
>
>
> On 7/30/07 5:27 AM, "Adam Haskell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I want to echo what Sean said...I looked at CF8 and thought, "wow finally a
> product that I would really label Enterprise." Not to say CF7 wasn't
> Enterprise, it had some great features and was a great release, but I think
> the monitoring and some of the Administration changes helped make it really
> enterprise friendly. Thats not mentioning the performance enhancements,
> exchange integration (which currently means nothing to Lotus Shops bleh),
> and whole suite of ajax tools that really make CF shine as a UI web layer
> for large Java apps.
>
> You have to look at this product and realize enterprise is worthless to you
> unless you really need super scalability. Standard has it all, albeit
> limited/throttled. Sure cfthread and exchange integration and PDF (?) are
> throttled but they are available and until you have 100+ (dare I say
> probably more) concurrent users using the exact same functionality
> Enterprise means very little. Its like a computer, my Mom doesn't need a
> dual core 64bit AMD with 2gig of ram and 256mb dedicate graphics card
> running iSCSI to send me pictures and read email (unless she is running
> Vista then she might ;) ). Gone are the days where you have to have
> enterprise to play with those nifty event gateways. If enterprise looks to
> expensive to you then you probably don't need it, or you need to look at
> some other Enterprise software costs and revisit in 15 minutes. Hell I say
> that single move by Adobe to offer a more complete Standard Edition will
> open more doors for ColdFusion than any single feature. I say Bravo!
>
> Adam Haskell
>
> On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 7/29/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price
> > > increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people
> > > here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise.
> >
> > Me!
> >
> > To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is
> > pretty negligible in an enterprise world. For the - new-in-8 -
> > (multi-)server monitoring and RDS/Admin user management features,
> > unlimited CFTHREAD and unlimited MS Exchange integration, that extra
> > $750/CPU is well worth it (as well as the general reasons Enterprise
> > is worth paying more for: unlimited event gateways, PDF/document
> > services, reporting etc).
> >
> > The key thing everyone should be rejoicing about is that Standard
> > Edition includes: event gateways, pdf/document serv

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Adam Haskell]

"One more thing about the Server Monitor. It isn't just for use on live
sites. You can very easily use it on your dev server to identify
problems/bottlenecks in your code."

That's an excellent and potentially overlooked (by many) point!  SM is
enabled, if I understand correctly, in developer mode. The monitor should
often be used at this stage of development on NOT in production. If you need
it in production FusionReactor or SeeFusion is a great fit if you are not
running Enterprise. If thats even too expensive an alternative to that is
using some of the built in hooks in Java 5 and doing core dumps and what
not, which generally you can find free tools to analyze. Someone had a
fairly good presentation 2 years ago at cfUnited about using some of these
free tools, I think he published a low cost PDF too.

Adam Haskell


On 7/30/07, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> One more thing about the Server Monitor. It isn't just for use on live
> sites. You can very easily use it on your dev server to identify
> problems/bottlenecks in your code. I know I've told this story before
> - but I still remember using the SM for a grand total of 5 minutes and
> finding a big problem with BlogCFC. And this was completely OFF
> production. Scott Pinkston had a good blog article on load testing
> under OS X. This combined with SM running locally is a great
> combination.
>
> On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 7/30/07, Justin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Personally, my belief is that server monitoring is a must no matter
> what
> > > edition you run, or how many sites you're running.  I can't count how
> > > many times FusionReactor has helped diagnose problems that would have
> > > taken far longer to fix without it.
> >
> > So buy Standard Edition and use FusionReactor. I don't see what your
> > problem is there?
> >
> > I don't see how you can say server monitoring is a "must" (for
> > Standard Edition) when it's a brand new feature that's never been in
> > the product before. You've already bought FusionReactor so you have a
> > solution, yes?
> >
> > I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand your
> > argument against Adobe's pricing/editioning here.
> > --
> > Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
> >
> > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> > -- Margaret Atwood
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Dale Fraser]

I have to agree that I have never had issues selling the benefits of CF and
ROI, it's actually an easy sell.

I just purely don't understand the price hike, in a market where software is
becoming less expensive and also free, a 25% increase is unjustified unless
there is some new feature that they have included that requires them to
licence in third party products.

Why this has added a Nail to the Coffin is because they have hurt the
enterprise market, if I want to develop a large enterprise scale
application, which requires multiple servers etc, etc. ColdFusion is simply
too expensive and I will use something else.

Instead of buying Enterprise I will now (have already) buy Standard.

PS: If someone would like to explain to me the price difference between
download and boxed, i'd love to hear that story also. In Australia here an
Enterprise box is only $1,104, it must be really shiny.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dalefraser.blogspot.com


-Original Message-
From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2007 4:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

I completely disagree with this statement Andy. Part of being a 
consultant is selling your solution and if a person can't effectively do 
that, then they shouldn't be in the consulting business at all.

What I've seen over the time I've been involved with ColdFusion is less 
people that are interested or willing to sell a solution as opposed to 
making their $30-50/hr as a contractor. If thats what person wants to 
do, then they might be better of choosing a tool like PHP or .Net. But 
in my experience, selling customers on ColdFusion, even when I've had to 
explain the ROI, has not been an issue. I really believe people 
underestimate the intelligence of prospects and thats just not good 
business.

Rey...


Andy Matthews wrote:
> Rick...
> 
> You make compelling arguments. But IMO, if you have to explain the ROI to
> someone, then you've already lost the battle



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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Andy Matthews]

That's a ridiculous statement Rey...  

Just because a client doesn't want to drop 1/4 or 1/5 oif their budget on an
application server doesn't mean that they're not worth doing business with.


andy

-Original Message-
From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

Yes and its not the type of client prospect you should waste time and effort
on.

> Well, that would be sad if someone did that. If someone can't calculate an
ROI, they're incompetent to run a company.
> 
> CoolJJ
> 
> 



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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Neil Middleton]

>As a developer working 40 hours a week at a certain "hourly" rate...
>if I'm even 10% more productive working on Coldfusion versus another
>environment, that alone makes the COST of Coldfusion worthwhile.
>Let's say the cost of my employment, including benefits, is about $50/hour.
>The 10% productivity increase would amount to 208 hours, or an additional
>$10,000 in work completed in a typical 2080 hour work year.
>
>Assuming the life of a Coldfusion 8 license is only 2 years and you're not
>buying a subscription... that's over $20,000 in savings.. just by using
>Coldfusion because you can be more productive on it.

Small point to bear in mind here, which always pops into my head when I hear 
this argument.

Let's say I am on $50/hr like you say, therefore for myself to pay for CF8 Ent, 
I'm looking at working at least 150 hours before it's paid for.  OK, I may be 
10% more productive than PHP, but if I were using CF then I would only save 208 
hours per year over PHP (150 are spent paying for the license as well).

So, at the end of my year, I'm 58 profit hours up. i.e $2900. If I had more 
than one server (say one dev, one test), I'd be out of pocket to the tune of 
$4600. It's not such a massive amount after all.  

Neil

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

You can use the Oracle j2ee drivers (that comes with Oracle) to work with CF
standard. Just a little more work on your end, but it works fine.

This is for Oracle 10g, it may be slightly different for other versions..
-Find the ojdbc14.jar driver on your oracle installation -Put that jar into
your WEB-INF\lib -In coldfusion, create a new datasource and choose "other"
as the driver
-JDBC URL would be jdbc:oracle:thin:@ip:port:database
-Driver Class oracle.jdbc.OracleDriver

Now why does CF standard not just go ahead and do this for you. Well franky
I don't know, but it really doesn't matter if you have the drivers anyway.
It does confuse the hack out of people, which is bad. Wanted to make sure
you knew this before you decided to jump ship :)


John
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
770.337.8363

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-Original Message-
From: Charles E. Heizer1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in CF. For example,
Standard Edition would be fine for me but I need Oracle access and now I
need to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle connectivity.  We are an
enterprise and when I discussed this with management they came back and said
we should just invest our time in ASP.NET. We can retrain our developers,
and not worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come
out. You know, I don't disagree with them. I just recently started playing
with Visual Studio .Net, and it's far easier to write web services and
create great web content.

Adobe thanks for the memories, a user/developer since version 4.5.

- Charles


On 7/30/07 5:27 AM, "Adam Haskell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I want to echo what Sean said...I looked at CF8 and thought, "wow finally a
product that I would really label Enterprise." Not to say CF7 wasn't
Enterprise, it had some great features and was a great release, but I think
the monitoring and some of the Administration changes helped make it really
enterprise friendly. Thats not mentioning the performance enhancements,
exchange integration (which currently means nothing to Lotus Shops bleh),
and whole suite of ajax tools that really make CF shine as a UI web layer
for large Java apps.

You have to look at this product and realize enterprise is worthless to you
unless you really need super scalability. Standard has it all, albeit
limited/throttled. Sure cfthread and exchange integration and PDF (?) are
throttled but they are available and until you have 100+ (dare I say
probably more) concurrent users using the exact same functionality
Enterprise means very little. Its like a computer, my Mom doesn't need a
dual core 64bit AMD with 2gig of ram and 256mb dedicate graphics card
running iSCSI to send me pictures and read email (unless she is running
Vista then she might ;) ). Gone are the days where you have to have
enterprise to play with those nifty event gateways. If enterprise looks to
expensive to you then you probably don't need it, or you need to look at
some other Enterprise software costs and revisit in 15 minutes. Hell I say
that single move by Adobe to offer a more complete Standard Edition will
open more doors for ColdFusion than any single feature. I say Bravo!

Adam Haskell

On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 7/29/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price 
> > increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people 
> > here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise.
>
> Me!
>
> To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is 
> pretty negligible in an enterprise world. For the - new-in-8 - 
> (multi-)server monitoring and RDS/Admin user management features, 
> unlimited CFTHREAD and unlimited MS Exchange integration, that extra 
> $750/CPU is well worth it (as well as the general reasons Enterprise 
> is worth paying more for: unlimited event gateways, PDF/document 
> services, reporting etc).
>
> The key thing everyone should be rejoicing about is that Standard 
> Edition includes: event gateways, pdf/document services, cfthread, MS 
> Exchange integration, reporting, presentation generation. There would 
> be a lot of complaints if these were Enterprise only features. There 
> were plenty of complaints around CFMX 7 because event gateways were 
> Enterprise-only!
> --
> Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>
>





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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Mark Mandel]

Charles,

Why not just use Standard, and use the free JDBC drivers you can
download from Oracle themselves, and just make an 'other' connection?

What's the problem with that?

I hate to say this, I have to wonder - if your business is complaining
about paying ~10K for their server software, (or less), then you
probably struggle to qualify for the 'enterprise' target that
ColdFusion really is targeted for. (and most of us aren't, we're just
paying for upgrades).

Maybe I'm too far removed from the bean counters (and that is quite
possible), but I actually am quite confused by all of this noise.

I'm actually sitting back and looking at all the new features that
were put in Standard, which is meant for people who aren't enterprise,
and going 'cool! loads of new stuff, without a price hike... nice work
for targeting those that aren't enterprise, and essentially giving
them more for less cost in a product'.

Mark

On 7/31/07, Charles E. Heizer1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in CF. For example, 
> Standard Edition would be fine for me but I need Oracle access and now I need 
> to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle connectivity.  We are an 
> enterprise and when I discussed this with management they came back and said 
> we should just invest our time in ASP.NET. We can retrain our developers, and 
> not worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come out. 
> You know, I don't disagree with them. I just recently started playing with 
> Visual Studio .Net, and it's far easier to write web services and create 
> great web content.
>
> Adobe thanks for the memories, a user/developer since version 4.5.
>
> - Charles
>
>
> On 7/30/07 5:27 AM, "Adam Haskell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I want to echo what Sean said...I looked at CF8 and thought, "wow finally a
> product that I would really label Enterprise." Not to say CF7 wasn't
> Enterprise, it had some great features and was a great release, but I think
> the monitoring and some of the Administration changes helped make it really
> enterprise friendly. Thats not mentioning the performance enhancements,
> exchange integration (which currently means nothing to Lotus Shops bleh),
> and whole suite of ajax tools that really make CF shine as a UI web layer
> for large Java apps.
>
> You have to look at this product and realize enterprise is worthless to you
> unless you really need super scalability. Standard has it all, albeit
> limited/throttled. Sure cfthread and exchange integration and PDF (?) are
> throttled but they are available and until you have 100+ (dare I say
> probably more) concurrent users using the exact same functionality
> Enterprise means very little. Its like a computer, my Mom doesn't need a
> dual core 64bit AMD with 2gig of ram and 256mb dedicate graphics card
> running iSCSI to send me pictures and read email (unless she is running
> Vista then she might ;) ). Gone are the days where you have to have
> enterprise to play with those nifty event gateways. If enterprise looks to
> expensive to you then you probably don't need it, or you need to look at
> some other Enterprise software costs and revisit in 15 minutes. Hell I say
> that single move by Adobe to offer a more complete Standard Edition will
> open more doors for ColdFusion than any single feature. I say Bravo!
>
> Adam Haskell
>
> On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 7/29/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price
> > > increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people
> > > here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise.
> >
> > Me!
> >
> > To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is
> > pretty negligible in an enterprise world. For the - new-in-8 -
> > (multi-)server monitoring and RDS/Admin user management features,
> > unlimited CFTHREAD and unlimited MS Exchange integration, that extra
> > $750/CPU is well worth it (as well as the general reasons Enterprise
> > is worth paying more for: unlimited event gateways, PDF/document
> > services, reporting etc).
> >
> > The key thing everyone should be rejoicing about is that Standard
> > Edition includes: event gateways, pdf/document services, cfthread, MS
> > Exchange integration, reporting, presentation generation. There would
> > be a lot of complaints if these were Enterprise only features. There
> > were plenty of complaints around CFMX 7 because event gateways were
> > Enterprise-only!
> > --
> > Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
> >
> > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> > -- Margaret Atwood
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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Need to print graphic document with cfdocument

[Arthur.Frey]

I am trying to create a dynamic PDF using cfdocument.  The dynamic part 
is not an issue, but I am creating a 17x11inch pdf with .25inch border.  
First of all I am unable to determine what the height and with are for 
the PDF.  I have tried just about everything.  Second of all, when a 
approach what I think to be the height of main table that contains the 
images and such for the document, an extra page is created and a large 
margin is placed at the bottom.  Here is an example of the code that 
fails causes this.







test







I am begging for help on this one.  I can send you the PDF if it would 
help you to help me...  Thanks.

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Re: popup closing causes logout

[Mark Brown]

> I have a popup window that I use for uploading images. After the 
> upload is completed, the user closes the popup. On IE, closing the 
> popup causes the user to be logged out. Any ideas why this is 
> happening? I am using a session variable to retain the login status.

I'm having the same issue here on my work PC.  I'm not sure it's related to 
ColdFusion - I'd not actually heard of CF before reading this thread and I 
doubt I have it on this computer.

I've noticed the problem occur with several webapps, including the application 
produced by my company, the time tracking app we use (Replicon TimeSheet), and 
my personal webmail (Horde).

If I log into any one of these, it works as normal until a pop-up (or a second 
browser tab!) is *closed*.  As long as the pop-up or tab stays open, I keep my 
session in the app.  After the close, I'm logged out.  This is only happening 
on my PC, no one else in the office has reported any problems, and the same 
sequence of events which repeatedly logs me out on this PC has no effect on at 
least 3 other machines in the office.  It just started doing this a few weeks 
ago.

Interestingly, if I clear the cache of the server on which our company's app is 
located, the problem no longer occurs for an as-yet-undetermined amount of time 
(at least a day).  Clearing the cache and/or deleting cookies on my personal 
machine seems to have no effect.

I don't have a technical background, but if my situation can help anyone, just 
let me know what I can do to help.

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Re: Blog CFC, PHP Equivalent

[Greg Fuller]

Expression Engine (the Core product is free)

On 7/27/07, Eric Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WordPress?
>
> Eric
>
>
> On 7/26/07, Peter Donahue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello again everyone,
> >
> >Sorry if this is slightly OT, but after exhausting all other lists to
> > which such a post would go I figured I would send this inquiry here as
> > folks
> > on the other lists I'm on have never heard of Blog CFC let alone know if
> > there is a similar blog module written in PHP. I have several sights on a
> > server that does not support ColdFusion of any flavor, but that does
> > support
> > PHP 4 and 5. I'd like to know if there is a similar product to Blog CFC I
> > could run on these Web Sites, and from where can I get it?
> >
> >As for my Blog CFC install we're getting there one file upload at a
> > time. The moment of truth will come in the next day or two depending on
> > how
> > much else is on my plate. Talk to you later.
> >
> > Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mark A Kruger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:39 PM
> > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion and VMWare?
> >
> >
> > If I wanted to use VM Ware to run... Let's say 3 separate Coldfusion
> > servers
> > and have sufficient resources for all of them. What would be acceptable
> > hardware for that? Any input?
> >
> > -mark
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:15 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion and VMWare?
> >
> > > We are testing to see if it is possible to run a Virtualized
> > > (VMWare) Version of a Cold Fusion application, which will be accessed
> > > by IP address.
> > > We have VMWare running on a test server and installed a virtualized
> > > version of the application and everything works.
> > > Sporadically, we get a "Connection Reset by Peers error", that I have
> > > been unable to track down and resolve.
> > >
> > > We have looked at both the CF server and IIS logs and can't find any
> > > errors.
> > > It seems like we are getting a network error, but I am not looking in
> > > the right place to find the error.
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever used Cold Fusion with VMWare? Any ideas why we would
> > > sporadically get a connection error?
> >
> > Many people are running CF on VMware, even in production environments.
> >
> > This doesn't look like an error specific to VMware, but virtual servers
> > can
> > have the same sort of problems as physical servers. "Connection reset by
> > peer" typically indicates that the client is no longer listening for a
> > response, which may happen if the response takes too long to get to the
> > client.
> >
> > Are you using bridged networking, or NAT for your VMware server? I would
> > expect there to be some performance overhead with NAT, although I haven't
> > done any real testing to see if that's the case.
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
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Re: CF8 Install Problem

[Greg Fuller]

After serveral CF8 restarts and Apache restarts, it works now.  Go figure.

On 7/30/07, Greg Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just installed CF8 with the apache connector.  Apache is passing
> .cfm's to CF only when the .cfm is in the CFIDE directory.  The CFIDE
> directory is properly under my Apache root.
>
> I'm familiar with Apache config, and the httpd.config looks good.
> Obviously the connector works, because it works under CFIDE.
>
> from: httpd.config:
> ---
> DirectoryIndex index.php index.php3 index.html index.htm
> index.html.var index.cfm
> -
> # JRun Settings
> LoadModule jrun_module "C:/ColdFusion8/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/mod_jrun20.so"
> 
> JRunConfig Verbose false
> JRunConfig Apialloc false
> JRunConfig Ignoresuffixmap false
> JRunConfig Serverstore
> "C:/ColdFusion8/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/jrunserver.store"
> JRunConfig Bootstrap 127.0.0.1:51800
> #JRunConfig Errorurl url 
> #JRunConfig ProxyRetryInterval 600  before trying to reconnect to unreachable clustered server>
> #JRunConfig ConnectTimeout 15  socket connect to a jrun server>
> #JRunConfig RecvTimeout 300  receive to a jrun server>
> #JRunConfig SendTimeout 15  send to a jrun server>
> AddHandler jrun-handler .jsp .jws .cfm .cfml .cfc .cfr .cfswf
> 
> -
>
> This all worked under CF8 beta.  BTW, I completely uninstalled CF8
> beta and made sure the httpd.config file had no references to .cfm* or
> jrun before installing production CF8.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>

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RE: CFC defining vars

[Chad Gray]

Thanks for all of the info on this subject.  I have fixed most of my existing 
code.

One question I have is what happens if I don't declare a name="" attribute for 
a cfquery?

IE:


Lots of sql here


I tend to do this on updates or inserts of a database records when I don't care 
what the query returns.

Is this bad?  Should I always use a name so I can create a Var scope and define 
it?

Chad



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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Charles E. Heizer1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:57 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin
> 
> So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in CF. For
> example, Standard Edition would be fine for me but I need Oracle access
> and now I need to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle
> connectivity.  We are an enterprise and when I discussed this with

You might also just buy Standard and use a third party oracle driver.

I connect quite happily to DB2 with standard using a different driver for
example.

Enterprise comes with high quality drivers for enterprise DBs - but Standard
is not limited to those drivers that ship with it.

Jim Davis


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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Dinner]

On 7/30/07, Justin Scott wrote:

> Personally, my belief is that server monitoring is a must no matter what
> edition you run, or how many sites you're running.  I can't count how

The nice thing about the 1.5 and above JRE, is that you can slap in
some pretty nice monitoring tools yourself.  One of the reasons I was
liking jboss for cf7, actually.  Nifty stuff, man, and all "free".

Actually, I've got a dedicated jasperserver, for reports and stuff, and
have made Apache do a lot of the work in my last go-round...  I wonder
if we even need Enterprise.  Hmmm?

Heh.  We'll get it anyways, thank the big guy in the sky.  The pay may
kinda suck, but the toys are nice, at least.  *sigh*

Well, it's interesting to see how it all goes down.

Congratulations to the CF team on getting it out the door.  WOOHOO!
Lovely feeling, that.
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RE: CF8 and CFZip

[Ben Forta]

Yep, I guess I won't retire on that tag now after all. ;-)

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF8 and CFZip

Hey Ben Forta, I want my money back.  CFZip is built into CF8 and I
purchased it many o' years ago from you!

Just joking of course! :)  

I have gotten my money's worth out of it that is for sure.  I just thought
it was funny to see the tag in CF8.




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Re: CF8 Install Problem

[Cutter (CFRelated)]

Greg,

See if this helps any.

http://blog.cutterscrossing.com/index.cfm/2007/7/23/Local-Development-Setup-Pt-1-Apache-and-ColdFusion-7-or-8

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Greg Fuller wrote:
> Just installed CF8 with the apache connector.  Apache is passing
> ..cfm's to CF only when the .cfm is in the CFIDE directory.  The CFIDE
> directory is properly under my Apache root.
> 
> I'm familiar with Apache config, and the httpd.config looks good.
> Obviously the connector works, because it works under CFIDE.
> 
> from: httpd.config:
> ---
> DirectoryIndex index.php index.php3 index.html index.htm
> index.html.var index.cfm
> -
> # JRun Settings
> LoadModule jrun_module "C:/ColdFusion8/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/mod_jrun20.so"
> 
> JRunConfig Verbose false
> JRunConfig Apialloc false
> JRunConfig Ignoresuffixmap false
> JRunConfig Serverstore
> "C:/ColdFusion8/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/jrunserver.store"
> JRunConfig Bootstrap 127.0.0.1:51800
> #JRunConfig Errorurl url 
> #JRunConfig ProxyRetryInterval 600  before trying to reconnect to unreachable clustered server>
> #JRunConfig ConnectTimeout 15  socket connect to a jrun server>
> #JRunConfig RecvTimeout 300  receive to a jrun server>
> #JRunConfig SendTimeout 15  send to a jrun server>
> AddHandler jrun-handler .jsp .jws .cfm .cfml .cfc .cfr .cfswf
> 
> -
> 
> This all worked under CF8 beta.  BTW, I completely uninstalled CF8
> beta and made sure the httpd.config file had no references to .cfm* or
> jrun before installing production CF8.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[John Mason]

You can use the Oracle j2ee drivers (that comes with Oracle) to work with CF
standard. Just a little more work on your end, but it works fine.

This is for Oracle 10g, it may be slightly different for other versions..
-Find the ojdbc14.jar driver on your oracle installation
-Put that jar into your WEB-INF\lib
-In coldfusion, create a new datasource and choose "other" as the driver
-JDBC URL would be jdbc:oracle:thin:@ip:port:database
-Driver Class oracle.jdbc.OracleDriver

Now why does CF standard not just go ahead and do this for you. Well franky
I don't know, but it really doesn't matter if you have the drivers anyway.
It does confuse the hack out of people, which is bad. Wanted to make sure
you knew this before you decided to jump ship :)


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-Original Message-
From: Charles E. Heizer1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in CF. For example,
Standard Edition would be fine for me but I need Oracle access and now I
need to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle connectivity.  We are an
enterprise and when I discussed this with management they came back and said
we should just invest our time in ASP.NET. We can retrain our developers,
and not worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come
out. You know, I don't disagree with them. I just recently started playing
with Visual Studio .Net, and it's far easier to write web services and
create great web content.

Adobe thanks for the memories, a user/developer since version 4.5.

- Charles


On 7/30/07 5:27 AM, "Adam Haskell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I want to echo what Sean said...I looked at CF8 and thought, "wow finally a
product that I would really label Enterprise." Not to say CF7 wasn't
Enterprise, it had some great features and was a great release, but I think
the monitoring and some of the Administration changes helped make it really
enterprise friendly. Thats not mentioning the performance enhancements,
exchange integration (which currently means nothing to Lotus Shops bleh),
and whole suite of ajax tools that really make CF shine as a UI web layer
for large Java apps.

You have to look at this product and realize enterprise is worthless to you
unless you really need super scalability. Standard has it all, albeit
limited/throttled. Sure cfthread and exchange integration and PDF (?) are
throttled but they are available and until you have 100+ (dare I say
probably more) concurrent users using the exact same functionality
Enterprise means very little. Its like a computer, my Mom doesn't need a
dual core 64bit AMD with 2gig of ram and 256mb dedicate graphics card
running iSCSI to send me pictures and read email (unless she is running
Vista then she might ;) ). Gone are the days where you have to have
enterprise to play with those nifty event gateways. If enterprise looks to
expensive to you then you probably don't need it, or you need to look at
some other Enterprise software costs and revisit in 15 minutes. Hell I say
that single move by Adobe to offer a more complete Standard Edition will
open more doors for ColdFusion than any single feature. I say Bravo!

Adam Haskell

On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 7/29/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price 
> > increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people 
> > here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise.
>
> Me!
>
> To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is 
> pretty negligible in an enterprise world. For the - new-in-8 - 
> (multi-)server monitoring and RDS/Admin user management features, 
> unlimited CFTHREAD and unlimited MS Exchange integration, that extra 
> $750/CPU is well worth it (as well as the general reasons Enterprise 
> is worth paying more for: unlimited event gateways, PDF/document 
> services, reporting etc).
>
> The key thing everyone should be rejoicing about is that Standard 
> Edition includes: event gateways, pdf/document services, cfthread, MS 
> Exchange integration, reporting, presentation generation. There would 
> be a lot of complaints if these were Enterprise only features. There 
> were plenty of complaints around CFMX 7 because event gateways were 
> Enterprise-only!
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RE: CFC defining vars

[Chad Gray]

REALLY?

Oh boy, I have some code to fix.  :)

Glad I just started using CFCs... not much code to fix. 



-Original Message-
From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFC defining vars

That makes the variable exist only for the duration of that method call.

For instance, you have a CFC which is persisted in the application
scope. 
 


It has a method called helloWorld() which queries their name out of the
database a returns it.


Select etc.




Now, let's say two different people in the same app call that method at
the same time.  Right now, qry_your_name will exist in variables, which
is global to the entire CFC.  

Here we just created a race condition.  User one's query runs, and then
user two's query overwrites.  Then the cfreturn hands back the same data
to both users.

The solution:




Select etc.




Now EACH call to that method has its own qry_your_name variable which
can not be overwritten by concurrent usage of the CFC

Print this out and place it on your cube wall.  I did.  :)
http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/downloads/cfcscopes.pdf

~Brad

-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFC defining vars

I have noticed in a lot of people's code for CFCs they set all of the
variables being used in the CFC like this:



Why?  Is this just good programming practice?

Also what scope are these variables in?  variables.foo?






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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Rick Root]

On 7/30/07, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That sure sounds cool.
> What is it?

www.justfuckinggoogleit.com

http://www.google.com/search?q=fips+140

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Wiki

[Brad Wood]

Dang it!  Someone JUST beat me to the Wikipedia page.  I was totally
going to be the first to update it to declare CF 8 the "current version"

 

Lol

 

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RE: Query of Queries date comparison

[Ben Nadel]

Claude,

I think he is working with dates; I think the data-type for that column
in Querynew() was "date".


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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:48 AM
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. and yes, since you are actually working with strings, not dates,
you do need quotes in WHERE date > '#DateFormat(Now(),"/mm/dd")#'

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Rey Bango]

I completely disagree with this statement Andy. Part of being a 
consultant is selling your solution and if a person can't effectively do 
that, then they shouldn't be in the consulting business at all.

What I've seen over the time I've been involved with ColdFusion is less 
people that are interested or willing to sell a solution as opposed to 
making their $30-50/hr as a contractor. If thats what person wants to 
do, then they might be better of choosing a tool like PHP or .Net. But 
in my experience, selling customers on ColdFusion, even when I've had to 
explain the ROI, has not been an issue. I really believe people 
underestimate the intelligence of prospects and thats just not good 
business.

Rey...


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> Rick...
> 
> You make compelling arguments. But IMO, if you have to explain the ROI to
> someone, then you've already lost the battle

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Bruce Sorge]

and not worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come
out.

Be careful on this one. For instance, when .NET 2.0 came out, and we wanted
to upgrade our servers, we discovered that a lot of our 1.0 apps would not
work. So in order for us to do this we had to re-write a lot of our apps.
Not from the ground up mind you, just update some code that was not
backwards compatable and would have caused a LOT of issues had we not looked
into this. Not sure if this is still an issue with Microsoft since I have
not touched .NET in over a year, but you might want to look into this part
of it.

Bruce



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Re: CFC defining vars

[Brian Kotek]

Yes, name it and var scope it.

On 7/30/07, Chad Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all of the info on this subject.  I have fixed most of my
> existing code.
>
> One question I have is what happens if I don't declare a name="" attribute
> for a cfquery?
>
> IE:
>
> 
> Lots of sql here
> 
>
> I tend to do this on updates or inserts of a database records when I don't
> care what the query returns.
>
> Is this bad?  Should I always use a name so I can create a Var scope and
> define it?
>
> Chad
>
>
>
> 

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Re: (Admin) Please use ColdFusion 8 list

[Michael Dinowitz]

Right, but note that this is a technical only list. ANYTHING that is
not technical, such as gripes over pricing, user group meeting
announcements, calls for party, etc. are all OT for this list. That's
the point of this post which in itself has become OT

On 7/30/07, Greg Morphis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah it sucks balls to have to be on 10 different lists... The problem
> is that not everyone is on those lists.. Where as here, everyone is.
>
> On 7/30/07, Ben Nadel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Oh man! But I'm only on Talk/Newbie :( ... It's cool, I have work to do
> > anyway :)
> >
> >
>
> 

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test

[Jim Rising]

i sent a message earlier today and it has showed up in the archive, but
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Re: CFC defining vars

[Sean Corfield]

On 7/30/07, Jake Pilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 'What scope is it in?' - it's in the same scope as if you omitted the 'var' 
> keyword.

Nope, they are in separate scopes.

> 
> 
>
> In both cases, your variable would be in the 'variables' scope.

Nope. variables.myVar and myVar are distinct variables in separate scopes.
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Re: CFC defining vars

[Brian Kotek]

On 7/30/07, Jake Pilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 'What scope is it in?' - it's in the same scope as if you omitted the
> 'var' keyword.
>
> 
> 
>
> In both cases, your variable would be in the 'variables' scope.
>


Jake this is not only incorrect but it is the exact opposite of what it
means. This is why it is so crucial to understand what the var keyword does
and why it is so important to use it.

 places myVar into the CFC's variables scope. This
becomes private instance data of the CFC instance.

 places myVar into the unnamed method-local
scope, which means it is internal to the cffunction tagset in which it was
declared. Nothing outside the method can access it. The variables only
exists for the duration of the method call. It is thread safe as well
(multiple threads executing the method at the same time will get their own
variable). It does NOT go into the CFC's variables scope, that is the entire
point of var declaring it.

I wrote a blog entry on this a while back that might reinforce this:
http://www.briankotek.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/2/6/VarScoping-Private-and-Public-Data-in-CFCs


Hope that helps,

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CF8 and CFZip

[Chad Gray]

Hey Ben Forta, I want my money back.  CFZip is built into CF8 and I purchased 
it many o' years ago from you!

Just joking of course! :)  

I have gotten my money's worth out of it that is for sure.  I just thought it 
was funny to see the tag in CF8.


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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Raymond Camden]

One more thing about the Server Monitor. It isn't just for use on live
sites. You can very easily use it on your dev server to identify
problems/bottlenecks in your code. I know I've told this story before
- but I still remember using the SM for a grand total of 5 minutes and
finding a big problem with BlogCFC. And this was completely OFF
production. Scott Pinkston had a good blog article on load testing
under OS X. This combined with SM running locally is a great
combination.

On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/30/07, Justin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Personally, my belief is that server monitoring is a must no matter what
> > edition you run, or how many sites you're running.  I can't count how
> > many times FusionReactor has helped diagnose problems that would have
> > taken far longer to fix without it.
>
> So buy Standard Edition and use FusionReactor. I don't see what your
> problem is there?
>
> I don't see how you can say server monitoring is a "must" (for
> Standard Edition) when it's a brand new feature that's never been in
> the product before. You've already bought FusionReactor so you have a
> solution, yes?
>
> I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand your
> argument against Adobe's pricing/editioning here.
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>
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> -- Margaret Atwood
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Missing Fuse in Fusebox 5.1

[Phillip M. Vector]

You tried to include a fuse qry_CheckBansByIP.cfm in circuit Security 
which does not exist (from fuseaction Security.default).

2906ms  Fusebox  Including parsed file for 'Login.Default'  1
7406ms Runtime  1
7406ms Runtime  1
7422ms Fusebox Caught Fusebox exception 'fusebox.missingFuse' 1
7422ms Fusebox Request completed 1


 
 
 










The file exists in the directory and it worked in FB4. The XML is well 
formed, but the cached file points to this.



In my index.cfm file, I have 

Any idea why I'm getting the cached page pointing to the wrong location 
for the file?

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RE: cfbooks.cfm for CF 8

[Dave Watts]

> Does anyone know where an updated cfbooks.chm file would be 
> for CF8 if one has been done yet?

I think it would be here:
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/coldfusion/8/dreamweaverupdate/cf8_tags_f
or_dw.mxp

I haven't checked yet myself, though.

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RE: CFC defining vars

[Brad Wood]

Since it is sometimes hard to remember to var everything, one trick is
to do the following at the top of your CFC:




Then every variable you want to only exist for the duration of that
method can be set like so:



Kind of like inventing your own scope.

Also, there is a little utility which will search your CFC code for
un-vared variables.  Check it out.

http://www.schierberl.com/varscoper

~Brad

-Original Message-
From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFC defining vars

The var keyword declares the variable as local to the method, and this
is
probably the most critical thing that you absolutely MUST do when
writing
and using CFCs. Failure to do this will result in bugs and concurrency
issues that will be extremely difficult to track down. So, use the var
keyword at all times for method local variables.

On 7/30/07, Chad Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have noticed in a lot of people's code for CFCs they set all of the
> variables being used in the CFC like this:
>
> 
>
> Why?  Is this just good programming practice?
>
> Also what scope are these variables in?  variables.foo?

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Rey Bango]

Yes and its not the type of client prospect you should waste time and 
effort on.

> Well, that would be sad if someone did that. If someone can't calculate an 
> ROI, they're incompetent to run a company.
> 
> CoolJJ
> 
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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Eric Roberts]

If they think that then their business already lost the battle...

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:25 AM
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Rick...

You make compelling arguments. But IMO, if you have to explain the ROI to
someone, then you've already lost the battle. There might be a few people
that would be convinced by your (compelling) arguments. But most people are
going to see that price tag and not even BOTHER reading the rest of the
stuff about it.

They'll simply think "CF is too much for my budget" and go install PHP or
something.


andy

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On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is 
> pretty negligible in an enterprise world.

I would agree here.  The cost of the server is pretty minor compared to the
cost of everything else that goes into building an enterprise environment.

Especially when you consider the following:

#1 - Coldfusion Enterprise includes a LOT of things that you'd probably have
to pay extra for in other environments.
#2 - It's a LOT easier to develop advanced applications in Coldfusion versus
OTHER environments (IMO, obviously)

As a developer working 40 hours a week at a certain "hourly" rate...
if I'm even 10% more productive working on Coldfusion versus another
environment, that alone makes the COST of Coldfusion worthwhile.
Let's say the cost of my employment, including benefits, is about $50/hour.
The 10% productivity increase would amount to 208 hours, or an additional
$10,000 in work completed in a typical 2080 hour work year.

Assuming the life of a Coldfusion 8 license is only 2 years and you're not
buying a subscription... that's over $20,000 in savings.. just by using
Coldfusion because you can be more productive on it.





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Re: CFC defining vars

[Charlie Griefer]

using the 'var' keyword scopes the variable into the local scope *for
that function/method*.

so  means 'foo' is available to only that method
call and you don't have the potential issue of another method with a
similarly named variable stomping the expected value.

it's good practice to var scope -all- variables local to a method
(including query names and loop indexes).  e.g.:


 
 
  loopy stuff
 



On 7/30/07, Chad Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have noticed in a lot of people's code for CFCs they set all of the 
> variables being used in the CFC like this:
>
> 
>
> Why?  Is this just good programming practice?
>
> Also what scope are these variables in?  variables.foo?
>
>
> 

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CFOpenChat Help

[Rick Root]

Would y'all mind joining me in the cfopenchat demo chat room?

I've just made some changes (eliminating the use of session variables)
in hopes to eliminate a problem I was having with losing session).

If you could come into the chat room and just leave the window open
for a while (10 minutes, an hour, etc).. that'd be awesome.

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Brad Wood]

That sure sounds cool.
What is it?

~Brad

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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:45 AM
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Also, one thing that hasn't gotten much press is the FIPS 140 compliant
encryption. To anyone that does work with the government this is HUGE.
And
it is very expensive to add/implement.

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Brian Kotek]

I don't get this at all. People are flipping out about Enterprise going up
in cost. How many people run Enterprise?! The standard version stays the
same and gets a huge bump in features. The people complaining are talking
like they raised the price of both versions. CF standard is a STEAL at
$1299, especially with what they have added.

To people who need extremely high performance (server monitoring, unlimited
cfthread, etc.), multiple instances, gov't approved encryption, and all the
rest, $7,500 is nothing for an enterprise application server that does
everything CF does as easily as CF does it.

For goodness sake people, take a deep breath and stop freaking out.


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Re: (Admin) Please use ColdFusion 8 list

[Greg Morphis]

Yeah it sucks balls to have to be on 10 different lists... The problem
is that not everyone is on those lists.. Where as here, everyone is.

On 7/30/07, Ben Nadel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh man! But I'm only on Talk/Newbie :( ... It's cool, I have work to do
> anyway :)
>
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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[mac jordan]

On 7/30/07, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> You have to look at this product and realize enterprise is worthless to
> you
> unless you really need super scalability. Standard has it all, albeit
> limited/throttled. Sure cfthread and exchange integration and PDF (?) are
> throttled



Has anyone got a matrix of just *how* the PDF is throtted?  Because I'm
quoting for a big form-based app at the moment, and I would like to know
what the limitations are with PDF in standard as opposed to Enterprise.


p.s. why don't people *trim* their quoting!

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Justin Scott]

> So buy Standard Edition and use FusionReactor. I
> don't see what your problem is there?

I don't have a problem.  I believe what I said (which you didn't quote)
was that while I wish it had been included, I was fine with the fact
that it wasn't as long as 3rd party tools are available to do the job.

> I don't see how you can say server monitoring is
> a "must" (for Standard Edition) when it's a brand
> new feature that's never been in the product before.

I didn't say it was a must to be included in Standard, I was making a
blanket statement for development in general.  I'm not trying to argue
against their pricing/editioning, just making a point that monitoring is
useful (needed in my opinion) no matter what edition you happen to be
running.  Someone implied that if you're running standard you don't need
monitoring anyway, and that is the point I was disagreeing with.


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xml / xslt and CF caching

[Jim Rising]

I have been using XmlTransform() to transform xml and xsl into xhtml ... and
have come across an issue where it seems that the xsl is being cached by CF.
has anyone else experienced this? i have verified that all the files exist
where they are expected to be, but i get this as an error:
 

javax.xml.transform.TransformerConfigurationException:
javax.xml.transform.TransformerException:
javax.xml.transform.TransformerException : Had IO Exception with stylesheet
file: /firefly/ui/custom/usfx/woj.xsl 




A Transformer object cannot be created that satisfies the configuration
requested. This could be due to a failure in compiling the XSL text.
javax.xml.transform.TransformerConfigurationException:
javax.xml.transform.TransformerException:
javax.xml.transform.TransformerException: Had IO Exception with stylesheet
file: /firefly/ui/custom/usfx/woj.xsl
 
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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Charles E. Heizer1]

So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in CF. For example, 
Standard Edition would be fine for me but I need Oracle access and now I need 
to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle connectivity.  We are an 
enterprise and when I discussed this with management they came back and said we 
should just invest our time in ASP.NET. We can retrain our developers, and not 
worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come out. You 
know, I don't disagree with them. I just recently started playing with Visual 
Studio .Net, and it's far easier to write web services and create great web 
content.

Adobe thanks for the memories, a user/developer since version 4.5.

- Charles


On 7/30/07 5:27 AM, "Adam Haskell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I want to echo what Sean said...I looked at CF8 and thought, "wow finally a
product that I would really label Enterprise." Not to say CF7 wasn't
Enterprise, it had some great features and was a great release, but I think
the monitoring and some of the Administration changes helped make it really
enterprise friendly. Thats not mentioning the performance enhancements,
exchange integration (which currently means nothing to Lotus Shops bleh),
and whole suite of ajax tools that really make CF shine as a UI web layer
for large Java apps.

You have to look at this product and realize enterprise is worthless to you
unless you really need super scalability. Standard has it all, albeit
limited/throttled. Sure cfthread and exchange integration and PDF (?) are
throttled but they are available and until you have 100+ (dare I say
probably more) concurrent users using the exact same functionality
Enterprise means very little. Its like a computer, my Mom doesn't need a
dual core 64bit AMD with 2gig of ram and 256mb dedicate graphics card
running iSCSI to send me pictures and read email (unless she is running
Vista then she might ;) ). Gone are the days where you have to have
enterprise to play with those nifty event gateways. If enterprise looks to
expensive to you then you probably don't need it, or you need to look at
some other Enterprise software costs and revisit in 15 minutes. Hell I say
that single move by Adobe to offer a more complete Standard Edition will
open more doors for ColdFusion than any single feature. I say Bravo!

Adam Haskell

On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 7/29/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price
> > increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people
> > here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise.
>
> Me!
>
> To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is
> pretty negligible in an enterprise world. For the - new-in-8 -
> (multi-)server monitoring and RDS/Admin user management features,
> unlimited CFTHREAD and unlimited MS Exchange integration, that extra
> $750/CPU is well worth it (as well as the general reasons Enterprise
> is worth paying more for: unlimited event gateways, PDF/document
> services, reporting etc).
>
> The key thing everyone should be rejoicing about is that Standard
> Edition includes: event gateways, pdf/document services, cfthread, MS
> Exchange integration, reporting, presentation generation. There would
> be a lot of complaints if these were Enterprise only features. There
> were plenty of complaints around CFMX 7 because event gateways were
> Enterprise-only!
> --
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>
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RE: Railo and CF8 speed contest

[Dave Watts]

> If anyone is having trouble coonecting to a (SQL 2000) 
> datasource (as I was) and getting this error:
> 
> [Microsoft][SQLServer 2000 Driver for JDBC][SQLServer]Login 
> failed for user '(null)'. Reason: Not associated with a 
> trusted SQL Server connection
> 
> I found the solution: The problem is Windows XP SP2. The work 
> around is to route your CF Admin Datasource connection 
> through an MS ODBC socket, whatever that is... 
> instructions can be found here:
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?c
> atid=6&threadid=934725&enterthread=y
> 
> Then in the Railo server Administrator, "Create New 
> Datasource" select "JDBC-ODBC bridge (for Access,MSSQL)"

This is not an optimal solution. This will likely be much slower than
configuring your database properly. You should configure your database to
support untrusted connections (native SQL logins).

This kind of thing cracks me up. I don't mean to pick on you, but I see this
sort of thing all the time - people are concerned about "which is faster",
then they make terrible choices that degrade performance in any case.

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Re: cfbooks.cfm for CF 8

[Sean Corfield]

On 7/30/07, Randy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know where an updated cfbooks.chm file would be for CF8 if
> one has been done yet?

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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Dave Watts]

> You make compelling arguments. But IMO, if you have to 
> explain the ROI to someone, then you've already lost the 
> battle. There might be a few people that would be convinced 
> by your (compelling) arguments. But most people are going to 
> see that price tag and not even BOTHER reading the rest of 
> the stuff about it.
> 
> They'll simply think "CF is too much for my budget" and go 
> install PHP or something.

So?

The point of ColdFusion, from Adobe's perspective, is to make money, not to
be universally adopted. CF will be too much for some peoples' budgets. C'est
la vie.

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Sean Corfield]

On 7/30/07, Justin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, my belief is that server monitoring is a must no matter what
> edition you run, or how many sites you're running.  I can't count how
> many times FusionReactor has helped diagnose problems that would have
> taken far longer to fix without it.

So buy Standard Edition and use FusionReactor. I don't see what your
problem is there?

I don't see how you can say server monitoring is a "must" (for
Standard Edition) when it's a brand new feature that's never been in
the product before. You've already bought FusionReactor so you have a
solution, yes?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand your
argument against Adobe's pricing/editioning here.
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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[JJ Cool]

>Rick...
>
>You make compelling arguments. But IMO, if you have to explain the ROI to
>someone, then you've already lost the battle. There might be a few people
>that would be convinced by your (compelling) arguments. But most people are
>going to see that price tag and not even BOTHER reading the rest of the
>stuff about it.
>
>They'll simply think "CF is too much for my budget" and go install PHP or
>something.
>
>
>andy
>
>

Well, that would be sad if someone did that. If someone can't calculate an ROI, 
they're incompetent to run a company.

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dreamweaver CF8 help

[Chad Gray]

I installed the CF8 Dreamweaver updater and the help files are not local they 
go to livedocs...  and the URL doesn't even work.  
http://www.adobe.com/go/livedocs_cf8docs

What good are help files if I have to be online to get to them?

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Re: (Admin) Please use ColdFusion 8 list

[Mark Drew]

Whats this ColdFusion thing you all keep talking about?!

(no, dont answer)

MD

On 7/30/07, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No need now, Coldfusion 8 is "official" so you can presumably talk
> about it here now :)
>
> Rick
>
>
> On 7/30/07, Ben Nadel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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RE: Unable to instantiate environment for 'ODBC.'

[Dave Watts]

> i have developed an application on cold fusion MX 7. 
> Everything runs smoothly. But at the login page, some time i 
> get the error "ODBC Error Code = ()
> 
> Unable to instantiate environment for 'ODBC.'" when i try to 
> login to the system.
> 
> Can anyone help me with the problem and a solution?

You haven't provided nearly enough information. What platform are you on?
What database are you using?

In the absence of that information, I'd recommend that you try to find a
JDBC driver to use instead.

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Re: CFC defining vars

[Jake Pilgrim]

Gualtiero hit the nail on the head - it allows you to define a variable (or a 
variable scope aka struct) who only exists for the duration of the function's 
processing. 

'What scope is it in?' - it's in the same scope as if you omitted the 'var' 
keyword. 




In both cases, your variable would be in the 'variables' scope. 

One trick that many developers like to use is to declare a variable scope for 
your functions:


  
  
  
  


Crappy example, but hopefully it illustrates the point. By setting var local = 
structNew(), you effectively create a variable scope that only lives for the 
duration of the function. 


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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Brian Kotek]

Also, one thing that hasn't gotten much press is the FIPS 140 compliant
encryption. To anyone that does work with the government this is HUGE. And
it is very expensive to add/implement.

On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 7/29/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price
> > increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people
> > here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise.
>
> Me!
>
> To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is
> pretty negligible in an enterprise world. For the - new-in-8 -
> (multi-)server monitoring and RDS/Admin user management features,
> unlimited CFTHREAD and unlimited MS Exchange integration, that extra
> $750/CPU is well worth it (as well as the general reasons Enterprise
> is worth paying more for: unlimited event gateways, PDF/document
> services, reporting etc).
>
> The key thing everyone should be rejoicing about is that Standard
> Edition includes: event gateways, pdf/document services, cfthread, MS
> Exchange integration, reporting, presentation generation. There would
> be a lot of complaints if these were Enterprise only features. There
> were plenty of complaints around CFMX 7 because event gateways were
> Enterprise-only!
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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Justin Scott]

> I'm sure there will be a large group who will bring up
> the whole lack of server monitoring and multiple logins
> but come on, for a standard installation do you really
> need that?

Personally, my belief is that server monitoring is a must no matter what
edition you run, or how many sites you're running.  I can't count how
many times FusionReactor has helped diagnose problems that would have
taken far longer to fix without it.  It also helps us see where problems
are before they get big and nasty and bring the whole server down.  I
would have liked to see integrated monitoring in the standard edition,
yes, but as long as we have 3rd-party tools available for standard I can
live with that.

I will say, though, that every version of ColdFusion that has come out
has been more and more stable, so the need for these tools has
decreased.  They are still very handy when you do need them however.


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Re: CFC defining vars

[Brian Kotek]

The var keyword declares the variable as local to the method, and this is
probably the most critical thing that you absolutely MUST do when writing
and using CFCs. Failure to do this will result in bugs and concurrency
issues that will be extremely difficult to track down. So, use the var
keyword at all times for method local variables.

On 7/30/07, Chad Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have noticed in a lot of people's code for CFCs they set all of the
> variables being used in the CFC like this:
>
> 
>
> Why?  Is this just good programming practice?
>
> Also what scope are these variables in?  variables.foo?
>
>
> 

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Re: CFC defining vars

[Cutter (CFRelated)]

The 'var' scope is for function-specific variables, that you don't want 
carried into the VARIABLES scope. They exist only for the lifetime of 
the function itself, whereas the VARIABLES scope will maintain 
throughout the life of the CFC instance.

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Chad Gray wrote:
> I have noticed in a lot of people's code for CFCs they set all of the 
> variables being used in the CFC like this:
> 
> 
> 
> Why?  Is this just good programming practice?
> 
> Also what scope are these variables in?  variables.foo?
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[JJ Cool]

>>
>> To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is
>> pretty negligible in an enterprise world.
>
>I would agree here.  The cost of the server is pretty minor compared
>to the cost of everything else that goes into building an enterprise
>environment.
>
>Especially when you consider the following:
>
>#1 - Coldfusion Enterprise includes a LOT of things that you'd
>probably have to pay extra for in other environments.
>#2 - It's a LOT easier to develop advanced applications in Coldfusion
>versus OTHER environments (IMO, obviously)
>
>As a developer working 40 hours a week at a certain "hourly" rate...
>if I'm even 10% more productive working on Coldfusion versus another
>environment, that alone makes the COST of Coldfusion worthwhile.
>Let's say the cost of my employment, including benefits, is about
>$50/hour.  The 10% productivity increase would amount to 208 hours, or
>an additional $10,000 in work completed in a typical 2080 hour work
>year.
>
>Assuming the life of a Coldfusion 8 license is only 2 years and you're
>not buying a subscription... that's over $20,000 in savings.. just by
>using Coldfusion because you can be more productive on it.
>
>want to do document searching (Verity) or PDF creation (cfdocument) or
>enterprise-level reporting (cfreport) or high quality charting
>(cfchart) with ASP.NET, Java, or PHP?  In addition to the extra work
>required to do those things with third party softare - you'll probably
>fork out $$$ for that third party software too.
>
>Rick

Excellent post! I was going to say the same thing. But, another thing people 
don't seem to to consider is how much did it cost Adobe to develop CF 8? How 
much money did they spend on research? On programmers writing code? On testing? 
On marketing? I think it is perfectly reasonable what they are asking for it. 
Just as you expect to develop ColdFusion applications and make a nice living, 
so does Adobe their developers!

CoolJJ


Adobe has to pay its developers too. 

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Re: (Admin) Please use ColdFusion 8 list

[mdinowit]

Every need if the conversation is off topic. It's either the
ColdFusion 8 list or CF-OT.

On 7/30/07, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No need now, Coldfusion 8 is "official" so you can presumably talk
> about it here now :)
>
> Rick
>
>
> On 7/30/07, Ben Nadel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > anyway :)
> >
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>
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Re: Query of Queries date comparison

[Claude Schneegans]

 and yes, since you are actually working with strings, not dates, you 
do need quotes in
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Re: CF page calling a Webservice that returns a complex structure

[Archie Campbell]

Dave Watts wrote:
>> While the website looks modern the most recent download is 
>> 1999 and the last news item in 2001 talks about the new site 
>> openwddx.org opening.
>> So ... is this an "old" technology that is begin replaced by 
>> a more mature XML environment?
>> 
>
> Yes, it's quite old - it dates from the CF 4 timeframe. I wouldn't say it's
> being replaced by a "more mature XML environment", though - XML is XML - but
> rather that programmers are becoming more familiar with working with XML
> directly, and CF now provides the functionality to do so. The purpose of
> WDDX is simply to describe common datatypes within XML. Most use of WDDX has
> always been within CF programs, as well, rather than between CF programs and
> other programs. The generic problem of data exchange and interoperability
> has been solved (repeatedly) via SOAP, XML-RPC, and REST.
>
> All that said, if I have a complex datatype (query, structure, anything that
> contains one of these such as an array of structures) and I want to quickly
> convert it to a string and back again, WDDX is ideal and easy to use.
>   
Now I think I got it. (Sometimes it just takes me a while;-)
WDDX is now added to my toolkit of tricks.
Thanks Dave.

Archie

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cfbooks.cfm for CF 8

[Randy Johnson]

Does anyone know where an updated cfbooks.chm file would be for CF8 if 
one has been done yet?

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RE: CFC defining vars

[Brad Wood]

That makes the variable exist only for the duration of that method call.

For instance, you have a CFC which is persisted in the application
scope. 
 


It has a method called helloWorld() which queries their name out of the
database a returns it.


Select etc.




Now, let's say two different people in the same app call that method at
the same time.  Right now, qry_your_name will exist in variables, which
is global to the entire CFC.  

Here we just created a race condition.  User one's query runs, and then
user two's query overwrites.  Then the cfreturn hands back the same data
to both users.

The solution:




Select etc.




Now EACH call to that method has its own qry_your_name variable which
can not be overwritten by concurrent usage of the CFC

Print this out and place it on your cube wall.  I did.  :)
http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/downloads/cfcscopes.pdf

~Brad

-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFC defining vars

I have noticed in a lot of people's code for CFCs they set all of the
variables being used in the CFC like this:



Why?  Is this just good programming practice?

Also what scope are these variables in?  variables.foo?




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RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Andy Matthews]

Rick...

You make compelling arguments. But IMO, if you have to explain the ROI to
someone, then you've already lost the battle. There might be a few people
that would be convinced by your (compelling) arguments. But most people are
going to see that price tag and not even BOTHER reading the rest of the
stuff about it.

They'll simply think "CF is too much for my budget" and go install PHP or
something.


andy

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From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is 
> pretty negligible in an enterprise world.

I would agree here.  The cost of the server is pretty minor compared to the
cost of everything else that goes into building an enterprise environment.

Especially when you consider the following:

#1 - Coldfusion Enterprise includes a LOT of things that you'd probably have
to pay extra for in other environments.
#2 - It's a LOT easier to develop advanced applications in Coldfusion versus
OTHER environments (IMO, obviously)

As a developer working 40 hours a week at a certain "hourly" rate...
if I'm even 10% more productive working on Coldfusion versus another
environment, that alone makes the COST of Coldfusion worthwhile.
Let's say the cost of my employment, including benefits, is about $50/hour.
The 10% productivity increase would amount to 208 hours, or an additional
$10,000 in work completed in a typical 2080 hour work year.

Assuming the life of a Coldfusion 8 license is only 2 years and you're not
buying a subscription... that's over $20,000 in savings.. just by using
Coldfusion because you can be more productive on it.



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Re: CFC defining vars

[Gualtiero Sappa]

If you use "var" keyword you declare the variable as local, so when the 
execution exit from the function the variable can be destroyed by garbage 
collector. If you don't use "var" keyword the variable is stored in 
variables scope and can be destroyed only at the end of caller page 
execution.
So the use of "var" keyword is very important.

Bye
Gualtiero


- Original Message - 
From: "Chad Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: CFC defining vars


>I have noticed in a lot of people's code for CFCs they set all of the 
>variables being used in the CFC like this:
>
> 
>
> Why?  Is this just good programming practice?
>
> Also what scope are these variables in?  variables.foo?
>
>
> 

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Re: Query of Queries date comparison

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>I would like to run a query on this query where it finds only the 
records where the date is greater than today.

You cannot compare dates if they are stored in American format.

Use QuerySetCell(event, "date", 2007/07/28, 1) Instead: always with mask 
"/mm/dd"
Then
WHERE date > #DateFormat(Now(),"/mm/dd")#
(you can even forget about slashes)

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Re: (Admin) Please use ColdFusion 8 list

[Rick Root]

No need now, Coldfusion 8 is "official" so you can presumably talk
about it here now :)

Rick


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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[jonese]

Poor Adobe. No matter what they do someone will be the "hater". Like
Sean mentioned previously with the feature spread this time (versus 7)
there should be less "But i don't want to buy Enterprise for Feature
X, why didn't they put it in standard". I'm sure there will be a large
group who will bring up the whole lack of server monitoring and
multiple logins but come on, for a standard installation do you really
need that? My guess is that you probably don't, and if you can make an
argument for it then I'm sure you can convince the powers that be to
upgrade. i know i will.

jonese

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> On 7/29/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price
> > increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people
> > here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise.
>
> Me!
>
> To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is
> pretty negligible in an enterprise world. For the - new-in-8 -
> (multi-)server monitoring and RDS/Admin user management features,
> unlimited CFTHREAD and unlimited MS Exchange integration, that extra
> $750/CPU is well worth it (as well as the general reasons Enterprise
> is worth paying more for: unlimited event gateways, PDF/document
> services, reporting etc).
>
> The key thing everyone should be rejoicing about is that Standard
> Edition includes: event gateways, pdf/document services, cfthread, MS
> Exchange integration, reporting, presentation generation. There would
> be a lot of complaints if these were Enterprise only features. There
> were plenty of complaints around CFMX 7 because event gateways were
> Enterprise-only!
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> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
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Re: Query of Queries date comparison

[Ben Doom]

I think you need quotes around your date in the comparison in the SQL. 
But I always have trouble with QoQ syntax for some reason.

--Ben Doom

Mark Lewis wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Wondered if someone could advise on this problem I am having.
> 
> I have created a query as shown below...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to run a query on this query where it finds only the records 
> where the date is greater than today.
> 
> I have written the following...
> 
>   
>SELECT *
>FROM event
>WHERE date > #DateFormat(Now(),"mm/dd/")#
>   
> 
> However I get an error returned 
> 
> "Query Of Queries syntax error.
> Encountered "date. Incorrect conditional expression, Expected one of 
> [like|null|between|in|comparison] condition, "
> 
> Does this mean I cannot use this greater than ( > ) clause on a query of 
> queries, I have searched for some documentation but couldnt find any. I f 
> anyone knows where any could be posted on the web, or a solution to this 
> problem that would be great.
> 
> Thank you in advance
> 
> Mark
> 
> 

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Re: Query of Queries date comparison

[Mark Lewis]

Oh sorry, I only just got everyone else's responses through, thank you to 
you guys for your time too.

Much appreciated,

Mark 


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Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

[Rick Root]

On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is
> pretty negligible in an enterprise world.

I would agree here.  The cost of the server is pretty minor compared
to the cost of everything else that goes into building an enterprise
environment.

Especially when you consider the following:

#1 - Coldfusion Enterprise includes a LOT of things that you'd
probably have to pay extra for in other environments.
#2 - It's a LOT easier to develop advanced applications in Coldfusion
versus OTHER environments (IMO, obviously)

As a developer working 40 hours a week at a certain "hourly" rate...
if I'm even 10% more productive working on Coldfusion versus another
environment, that alone makes the COST of Coldfusion worthwhile.
Let's say the cost of my employment, including benefits, is about
$50/hour.  The 10% productivity increase would amount to 208 hours, or
an additional $10,000 in work completed in a typical 2080 hour work
year.

Assuming the life of a Coldfusion 8 license is only 2 years and you're
not buying a subscription... that's over $20,000 in savings.. just by
using Coldfusion because you can be more productive on it.

want to do document searching (Verity) or PDF creation (cfdocument) or
enterprise-level reporting (cfreport) or high quality charting
(cfchart) with ASP.NET, Java, or PHP?  In addition to the extra work
required to do those things with third party softare - you'll probably
fork out $$$ for that third party software too.

Rick

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Re: Query of Queries date comparison

[Mark Lewis]

Gualtiero and Dave thanks for your help I have resolved the issue with both 
your tips.

Thank you for your time again

Mark



> "Date" is possibly(probably) a reserved word? Even if it isn't, your test
> will fail when the year rolls over - you should test /mm/dd.  And I
> think you might need apostrophes around today's formatted date?
>
> None of this is guaranteed, I am famous for being wrong.
>


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CFC defining vars

[Chad Gray]

I have noticed in a lot of people's code for CFCs they set all of the variables 
being used in the CFC like this:



Why?  Is this just good programming practice?

Also what scope are these variables in?  variables.foo?


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RE: Query of Queries date comparison

[Ben Nadel]

Mark,

I think the problem is the "date" column. Date is a reserved word, I
think, and must be wrapped in []. Also, I would use a query param as it
takes care of the data type conversion.


   SELECT *
   FROM event
   WHERE [date] > 



..
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-Original Message-
From: Mark Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Query of Queries date comparison

Hi,

Wondered if someone could advise on this problem I am having.

I have created a query as shown below...






  

  


I would like to run a query on this query where it finds only the
records where the date is greater than today.

I have written the following...

  
   SELECT *
   FROM event
   WHERE date > #DateFormat(Now(),"mm/dd/")#
  

However I get an error returned 

"Query Of Queries syntax error.
Encountered "date. Incorrect conditional expression, Expected one of
[like|null|between|in|comparison] condition, "

Does this mean I cannot use this greater than ( > ) clause on a query of
queries, I have searched for some documentation but couldnt find any. I
f anyone knows where any could be posted on the web, or a solution to
this problem that would be great.

Thank you in advance

Mark

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RE: Good CF-centric web services tutorial?

[Ben Nadel]

Scott, I have tone a bit of tinkering with Web Services (very little,
though). This might help you, as I had to wade through a bunch of stuff
to get there:

http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:430.view
http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:438.view

Cheers 


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-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Good CF-centric web services tutorial?

Hey gang -

I've got a new task with my main project that seems to scream "web
service". I have yet to tinker with this sort of thing.

Can anyone recommend a good tutorial out on the intertubes?



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Re: Query of Queries date comparison

[AJ Mercer]

Not too sure about this, but have you tried it with GT

maybe also try changing the filed name from date to tripDate - in case it is
a reserved word

On 7/30/07, Mark Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Wondered if someone could advise on this problem I am having.
>
> I have created a query as shown below...
>
>
>  varchar")>
>
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> I would like to run a query on this query where it finds only the records
> where the date is greater than today.
>
> I have written the following...
>
>   
>SELECT *
>FROM event
>WHERE date > #DateFormat(Now(),"mm/dd/")#
>   
>
> However I get an error returned
>
> "Query Of Queries syntax error.
> Encountered "date. Incorrect conditional expression, Expected one of
> [like|null|between|in|comparison] condition, "
>
> Does this mean I cannot use this greater than ( > ) clause on a query of
> queries, I have searched for some documentation but couldnt find any. I f
> anyone knows where any could be posted on the web, or a solution to this
> problem that would be great.
>
> Thank you in advance
>
> Mark
>
> 

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RE: (Admin) Please use ColdFusion 8 list

[Ben Nadel]

Oh man! But I'm only on Talk/Newbie :( ... It's cool, I have work to do
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RE: Query of Queries date comparison

[Dave Francis]

"Date" is possibly(probably) a reserved word? Even if it isn't, your test
will fail when the year rolls over - you should test /mm/dd.  And I
think you might need apostrophes around today's formatted date?

None of this is guaranteed, I am famous for being wrong.


-Original Message-
From: Mark Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Query of Queries date comparison

Hi,

Wondered if someone could advise on this problem I am having.

I have created a query as shown below...















I would like to run a query on this query where it finds only the records
where the date is greater than today.

I have written the following...

  
   SELECT *
   FROM event
   WHERE date > #DateFormat(Now(),"mm/dd/")#
  

However I get an error returned 

"Query Of Queries syntax error.
Encountered "date. Incorrect conditional expression, Expected one of
[like|null|between|in|comparison] condition, "

Does this mean I cannot use this greater than ( > ) clause on a query of
queries, I have searched for some documentation but couldnt find any. I f
anyone knows where any could be posted on the web, or a solution to this
problem that would be great.

Thank you in advance

Mark



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Re: Query of Queries date comparison

[Gualtiero Sappa]

You can try using data object instead of a string formatted as a date. I 
think the column in your query is of type string.

Bye
Gualtiero

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:43 PM
Subject: Query of Queries date comparison


> Hi,
>
> Wondered if someone could advise on this problem I am having.
>
> I have created a query as shown below...
>
>
>  varchar")>
>
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> I would like to run a query on this query where it finds only the records 
> where the date is greater than today.
>
> I have written the following...
>
>  
>   SELECT *
>   FROM event
>   WHERE date > #DateFormat(Now(),"mm/dd/")#
>  
>
> However I get an error returned
>
> "Query Of Queries syntax error.
> Encountered "date. Incorrect conditional expression, Expected one of 
> [like|null|between|in|comparison] condition, "
>
> Does this mean I cannot use this greater than ( > ) clause on a query of 
> queries, I have searched for some documentation but couldnt find any. I f 
> anyone knows where any could be posted on the web, or a solution to this 
> problem that would be great.
>
> Thank you in advance
>
> Mark
>
> 

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