Re: changing apache documentroot causes CF administrator to break

[joe martinez]

gotcha.  Thanks again! 

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RE: Best conference?

[Will Swain]

Scotch on the Rocks. 

There was free beer this year. Free beer is always good.


-Original Message-
From: Andrew Clarke [mailto:s...@clarke.ca] 
Sent: 13 July 2010 21:57
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best conference?


Thanks, I hadn't really considered that one.  My big concern right now is
CFUnited.  I would have liked to go but since there are other options and
it's a very inconvenient time for me I think I'll check out one of the
others later on in the year or next year.

I'm not knocking NCDevCon but most of the emphasis seemed to be on other
than CF, and most of the CF topics didn't really grab my attention.

- Andrew.

On 2010-07-13, at 16:36, Charlie Griefer wrote:

 They've all got their pros and cons.
 
 I think CFUnited has the widest variety of content (from beginner to 
 somewhat advanced), and it's certainly one of the biggest CF-based 
 conferences (probably second only to MAX).  Lots of networking and 
 good times with friends.
 
 Based on what you've said, I'd look at cf.Objective().  It's a smaller 
 conference with more advanced topics, and probably more that you'd 
 find relevant.
 
 While conferences like NCDevCon may feature Flash/Flex etc, you 
 shouldn't let that dissuade you.  As long as there are enough sessions 
 specific to what you want to learn, doesn't really matter how many 
 other sessions there might be, or how off-topic they are.  And as 
 far as NCDevCon goes, you can't beat the price.
 
 IMO, regardless of which one you may choose to attend, it'll be
worthwhile.
 Of the conferences that I've been fortunate enough to get to 
 (CFUnited, cf.Objective(), and MAX), it's evident that the folks 
 behind them make every effort to ensure that it's both a valuable and fun
experience.
 
 
 -
 Charlie Griefer
 http://charlie.griefer.com/



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Re: Best conference?

[Mark Mandel]

cf.Objective(ANZ) ;o) It's in Australia. What more do you want? ;o)

Mark

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote:


 Scotch on the Rocks.

 There was free beer this year. Free beer is always good.


 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Clarke [mailto:s...@clarke.ca]
 Sent: 13 July 2010 21:57
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Best conference?


 Thanks, I hadn't really considered that one.  My big concern right now is
 CFUnited.  I would have liked to go but since there are other options and
 it's a very inconvenient time for me I think I'll check out one of the
 others later on in the year or next year.

 I'm not knocking NCDevCon but most of the emphasis seemed to be on other
 than CF, and most of the CF topics didn't really grab my attention.

 - Andrew.

 On 2010-07-13, at 16:36, Charlie Griefer wrote:

  They've all got their pros and cons.
 
  I think CFUnited has the widest variety of content (from beginner to
  somewhat advanced), and it's certainly one of the biggest CF-based
  conferences (probably second only to MAX).  Lots of networking and
  good times with friends.
 
  Based on what you've said, I'd look at cf.Objective().  It's a smaller
  conference with more advanced topics, and probably more that you'd
  find relevant.
 
  While conferences like NCDevCon may feature Flash/Flex etc, you
  shouldn't let that dissuade you.  As long as there are enough sessions
  specific to what you want to learn, doesn't really matter how many
  other sessions there might be, or how off-topic they are.  And as
  far as NCDevCon goes, you can't beat the price.
 
  IMO, regardless of which one you may choose to attend, it'll be
 worthwhile.
  Of the conferences that I've been fortunate enough to get to
  (CFUnited, cf.Objective(), and MAX), it's evident that the folks
  behind them make every effort to ensure that it's both a valuable and fun
 experience.
 
 
  -
  Charlie Griefer
  http://charlie.griefer.com/



 

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Re: Best conference?

[Andy Allan]

Always nice to see someone give us a vote.

Having been to CFUnited (twice), MAX (3 times), FOWD and of course
SotR, they all have their own nuances that makes them all unique.

Ultimately you need to decide on; cost, location, content.

Andy

On 14 July 2010 09:34, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote:

 Scotch on the Rocks.

 There was free beer this year. Free beer is always good.


 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Clarke [mailto:s...@clarke.ca]
 Sent: 13 July 2010 21:57
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Best conference?


 Thanks, I hadn't really considered that one.  My big concern right now is
 CFUnited.  I would have liked to go but since there are other options and
 it's a very inconvenient time for me I think I'll check out one of the
 others later on in the year or next year.

 I'm not knocking NCDevCon but most of the emphasis seemed to be on other
 than CF, and most of the CF topics didn't really grab my attention.

 - Andrew.

 On 2010-07-13, at 16:36, Charlie Griefer wrote:

 They've all got their pros and cons.

 I think CFUnited has the widest variety of content (from beginner to
 somewhat advanced), and it's certainly one of the biggest CF-based
 conferences (probably second only to MAX).  Lots of networking and
 good times with friends.

 Based on what you've said, I'd look at cf.Objective().  It's a smaller
 conference with more advanced topics, and probably more that you'd
 find relevant.

 While conferences like NCDevCon may feature Flash/Flex etc, you
 shouldn't let that dissuade you.  As long as there are enough sessions
 specific to what you want to learn, doesn't really matter how many
 other sessions there might be, or how off-topic they are.  And as
 far as NCDevCon goes, you can't beat the price.

 IMO, regardless of which one you may choose to attend, it'll be
 worthwhile.
 Of the conferences that I've been fortunate enough to get to
 (CFUnited, cf.Objective(), and MAX), it's evident that the folks
 behind them make every effort to ensure that it's both a valuable and fun
 experience.


 -
 Charlie Griefer
 http://charlie.griefer.com/



 

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RE: Best conference?

[Will Swain]

:) It was the free beer that did it Andy. 

-Original Message-
From: Andy Allan [mailto:andy.al...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 14 July 2010 10:18
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best conference?


Always nice to see someone give us a vote.

Having been to CFUnited (twice), MAX (3 times), FOWD and of course SotR,
they all have their own nuances that makes them all unique.

Ultimately you need to decide on; cost, location, content.

Andy

On 14 July 2010 09:34, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote:

 Scotch on the Rocks.

 There was free beer this year. Free beer is always good.


 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Clarke [mailto:s...@clarke.ca]
 Sent: 13 July 2010 21:57
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Best conference?


 Thanks, I hadn't really considered that one.  My big concern right now 
 is CFUnited.  I would have liked to go but since there are other 
 options and it's a very inconvenient time for me I think I'll check 
 out one of the others later on in the year or next year.

 I'm not knocking NCDevCon but most of the emphasis seemed to be on 
 other than CF, and most of the CF topics didn't really grab my
attention.

 - Andrew.

 On 2010-07-13, at 16:36, Charlie Griefer wrote:

 They've all got their pros and cons.

 I think CFUnited has the widest variety of content (from beginner to 
 somewhat advanced), and it's certainly one of the biggest CF-based 
 conferences (probably second only to MAX).  Lots of networking and 
 good times with friends.

 Based on what you've said, I'd look at cf.Objective().  It's a 
 smaller conference with more advanced topics, and probably more that 
 you'd find relevant.

 While conferences like NCDevCon may feature Flash/Flex etc, you 
 shouldn't let that dissuade you.  As long as there are enough 
 sessions specific to what you want to learn, doesn't really matter 
 how many other sessions there might be, or how off-topic they are.  
 And as far as NCDevCon goes, you can't beat the price.

 IMO, regardless of which one you may choose to attend, it'll be
 worthwhile.
 Of the conferences that I've been fortunate enough to get to 
 (CFUnited, cf.Objective(), and MAX), it's evident that the folks 
 behind them make every effort to ensure that it's both a valuable and 
 fun
 experience.


 -
 Charlie Griefer
 http://charlie.griefer.com/



 



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Re: How Many CFCs is too many CFCs

[Kris Jones]

Andrew,

Can you elaborate on the problems you've seen loading Application
scoped objects into the request scope? We're having some problem with
this as well, re: garbage-collection. Is there any documentation you
can point me at for this issue?

What alternative do you recommend? Just always calling the
shared-scope object directly, instead of referencing the request
scoped object? For what it's worth, the request scoped object would
just be a pointer to the App-scoped object. So on request end, the
pointer should be set null, and should be garbage-collectable, right?

Cheers,
Kris


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Andrew Clarke s...@clarke.ca wrote:

 I took a quick read through your email and couldn't find anything inherently 
 wrong with the design IMHO.  Having 60 objects in the application scope I 
 presume is analogous to saying you have 60 singletons.  Let's say you have 10 
 simultaneous requests at any given point.  It's better to have 60 object 
 instances than 600 which is what you'd get if you put them in the request 
 scope or somewhere else.

 I also don't see any real issue to having 60 lightweight objects vs. 20 where 
 each one is 3x as large.  They aren't going to multiply as the server loads 
 up.

 Using application-scoped objects means that you will need to be very sure you 
 are scoping all your variables correctly to avoid bugs.  Also, be sure you're 
 not adding persistent objects like session or application objects into any 
 other objects like your request object.  I've had JVM GC issues when I've 
 done that as it seems that the request objects aren't garbage-collected 
 properly as they contain objects in the session or application scope.  Make 
 sure your variables are scoped properly, make sure you're not mixing your 
 persistent and non-persistent scopes together (like copying application.foo 
 into request.bar.foo) and you should be fine.

 - Andrew.

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Re: How to interpret log files?

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 13 Jul 2010 19:16:09 you wrote:
 My boss sent us a snapshot of an event log after a 503 error shut down dev,

Who was running code then ? What code was new ? If you can find the request 
that killed CF, you have a chance of finding the issue... it does happen from 
time to time, normally memory related.

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Re: How to interpret log files?

[Shannon Rhodes]

About a dozen developers were making all manner of changes.  Do the logs tell 
us nothing?  There's no documentation at all on what the log messages mean?  At 
least some kind of list of normal/expected actions? 

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Re: How to interpret log files?

[Michael Grant]

Which logs are you checking? I've always found that between the application,
server and exception logs they are fairly useful tracking down issues.


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 About a dozen developers were making all manner of changes.  Do the logs
 tell us nothing?  There's no documentation at all on what the log messages
 mean?  At least some kind of list of normal/expected actions?

 

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Re: Turning off try/catch

[Shannon Rhodes]

Thanks all, taking the global find/replace w/catch handler suggestion.  
Still...would be a nice admin option!  Agreed that it would be awesome to have 
admin level options for cfdump as well, hint hint CF...considering that so far 
I haven't found an upgrade in CF9 that changes my work life in the least. 

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Re: Oracle Stored Procedure Help

[Shannon Rhodes]

It might be easier for you to troubleshoot this in Toad or some other Oracle 
editor, to get the stored procedure working correctly before trying to call it 
from CF.  Otherwise, it can be confusing for you as to which end is causing the 
problem (like sometimes I can verify code in Toad but there's a permissions 
issue causing it to tank in CF).

Having said that, you know this is a problem with the proc, not with the call 
from CF, so you might want to google some resources for how to write Oracle 
stored procedures that return cursors.  Mine typically have input parameters 
followed by one output parameter, a cursor, declared like so:

PROCEDURE procName(
   (input params)
p_cursorIN OUT CUSTOM_REF_CURSOR

 )
AS   

BEGIN
  OPEN p_cursor FOR
 (your query here)
END procName
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Re: How to interpret log files?

[Shannon Rhodes]

We are attempting to interpret the event log.  Seems like the logs are just a 
guessing game without documentation. 

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Re: How to interpret log files?

[Michael Grant]

Have you tried the other logs? The CF specific logs? They are fairly
straight forward if it's a cf specific problem.
Even if it doesn't show you what happened it might help point you in the
right direction.


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 We are attempting to interpret the event log.  Seems like the logs are just
 a guessing game without documentation.

 

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RE: Best conference?

[DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)]

So... Did anyone else get the email stating that this year would be the
LAST CFUnited conference?

Steve


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Re: Best conference?

[Dave Watts]

 So... Did anyone else get the email stating that this year would be the
 LAST CFUnited conference?

Yes. That is correct.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Re: logout and back button

[Anene Isioma Wealth]

Thanks for the correction.
That was what i meant actually, after all, Adobe only acquired Coldfusion MX.

So sad that over the years, they are still silent about it...

So sad

 Sincerely, 
Chuka I.W. Anene
Chief Software Eng./CEO





From: Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz
To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 6:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: logout and back button


I don't think this is an Adobe issue. It's an application design issue. If
you design your web apps properly you will be checking for a valid
authenticated session every time a request is made. Also you'll properly
control caching to enable log out really means log out.


On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Anene Isioma Wealth 
anene.quor...@yahoo.com wrote:


 i think this is a major issue that adobe needs to consider.

 I had this challenge a while ago and after searching the web for months, i
 did
 not see any thing tangible to use across all explorers. I had to consider
 learning other programming languages, just because of the logout bud.

 If Adobe has a solution for this, then they should speak up and silence all
 doubts.

  Sincerely,
 Chuka I.W. Anene




 
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 To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:33:19 AM
 Subject: Re: logout and back button


 On Saturday 10 Jul 2010 18:34:50 you wrote:
  however after logging out, i am able to click the back button and get
 back
  into the last page in the software.

 On the logout action page, redirect them to a page that does a redirection
 to
 the login page.
 This is commonly seen as a 'logout confirmation' page that says thank you
 for
 using blah blah ltd.

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Re: logout and back button

[Anene Isioma Wealth]

Yeah, but this is not a complete solution for ending session variables.

If other programming languages can effectively end session variables, i still 
dont know what MX's problem is.

 Sincerely, 
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Subject: Re: logout and back button


On Monday 12 Jul 2010 14:02:07 Michael Grant wrote:
 I don't think this is an Adobe issue. It's an application design issue.

This is an important point; by pressing 'back' the user can't see anything 
they couldn't see before, and maintain a permanent record of if they wanted to 
(by saving the page, for instance).
If you allow non-logged in users to perform actions that they shouldn't be 
allowed to, then you have a bigger problem than your log out work flow.

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Re: logout and back button

[Michael Grant]

No no. It's not a ColdFusion (or Cold Fusion) issue. If *the designer* of an
application does his/her job correctly this isn't an issue at all. The onus
is on the developer, not the language.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Anene Isioma Wealth 
anene.quor...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Thanks for the correction.
 That was what i meant actually, after all, Adobe only acquired Coldfusion
 MX.

 So sad that over the years, they are still silent about it...

 So sad

  Sincerely,
 Chuka I.W. Anene
 Chief Software Eng./CEO




 
 From: Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz
 To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 6:02:07 AM
 Subject: Re: logout and back button


 I don't think this is an Adobe issue. It's an application design issue. If
 you design your web apps properly you will be checking for a valid
 authenticated session every time a request is made. Also you'll properly
 control caching to enable log out really means log out.


 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Anene Isioma Wealth 
 anene.quor...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
  i think this is a major issue that adobe needs to consider.
 
  I had this challenge a while ago and after searching the web for months,
 i
  did
  not see any thing tangible to use across all explorers. I had to consider
  learning other programming languages, just because of the logout bud.
 
  If Adobe has a solution for this, then they should speak up and silence
 all
  doubts.
 
   Sincerely,
  Chuka I.W. Anene
 
 
 
 
  
  From: Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@halliwells.com
  To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:33:19 AM
  Subject: Re: logout and back button
 
 
  On Saturday 10 Jul 2010 18:34:50 you wrote:
   however after logging out, i am able to click the back button and get
  back
   into the last page in the software.
 
  On the logout action page, redirect them to a page that does a
 redirection
  to
  the login page.
  This is commonly seen as a 'logout confirmation' page that says thank
 you
  for
  using blah blah ltd.
 
  --
  Tom Chiverton
  Helping to appropriately industrialize professional cross-platform
  efficient
  patterns as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08
 
  
 
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Re: logout and back button

[Anene Isioma Wealth]

which developer, we or the platform developer, Macromedia?

 Sincerely, 
Chuka I.W. Anene
Chief Software Eng./CEO
Quorium Solutions 
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From: Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz
To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 6:50:26 AM
Subject: Re: logout and back button


No no. It's not a ColdFusion (or Cold Fusion) issue. If *the designer* of an
application does his/her job correctly this isn't an issue at all. The onus
is on the developer, not the language.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Anene Isioma Wealth 
anene.quor...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Thanks for the correction.
 That was what i meant actually, after all, Adobe only acquired Coldfusion
 MX.

 So sad that over the years, they are still silent about it...

 So sad

  Sincerely,
 Chuka I.W. Anene
 Chief Software Eng./CEO




 
 From: Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz
 To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 6:02:07 AM
 Subject: Re: logout and back button


 I don't think this is an Adobe issue. It's an application design issue. If
 you design your web apps properly you will be checking for a valid
 authenticated session every time a request is made. Also you'll properly
 control caching to enable log out really means log out.


 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Anene Isioma Wealth 
 anene.quor...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
  i think this is a major issue that adobe needs to consider.
 
  I had this challenge a while ago and after searching the web for months,
 i
  did
  not see any thing tangible to use across all explorers. I had to consider
  learning other programming languages, just because of the logout bud.
 
  If Adobe has a solution for this, then they should speak up and silence
 all
  doubts.
 
   Sincerely,
  Chuka I.W. Anene
 
 
 
 
  
  From: Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@halliwells.com
  To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:33:19 AM
  Subject: Re: logout and back button
 
 
  On Saturday 10 Jul 2010 18:34:50 you wrote:
   however after logging out, i am able to click the back button and get
  back
   into the last page in the software.
 
  On the logout action page, redirect them to a page that does a
 redirection
  to
  the login page.
  This is commonly seen as a 'logout confirmation' page that says thank
 you
  for
  using blah blah ltd.
 
  --
  Tom Chiverton
  Helping to appropriately industrialize professional cross-platform
  efficient
  patterns as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08
 
  
 
  This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP.
 
  Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England
 and
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Re: logout and back button

[Dave Watts]

 which developer, we or the platform developer, Macromedia?

You. You destroy the session variables, you control caching, etc. All you.

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Re: struct lookup vs. query of queries

[Gerald Guido]

My experience with this is that QoQ are are (really) slow when compared with
using structs or arrays. I had a one experience where it brought execution
time down from 15-20 seconds using QoQ to 1 or 2 seconds for an array.
Generally I create an array of the values I want to look up.

EmpArray[1][ID] = tblEmp.Fname
EmpArray[2][ID] = tblEmp.Email
etc...

Even if you use a sub query or a Join to pull these values you are going to
hitting the tblEmp table for every record. This way you only hit
 tblEmp once.. But then again with proper indexes the database route may be
faster... so 6 of one or 1/2 dozen of another.

G!



On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Michael Dinowitz 
mdino...@houseoffusion.com wrote:


 I've got a loop which will need to look up a piece of data on each
 iteration. The data is standardized so there is really just one call
 to the database (outside the loop). I can either do a query of queries
 on each iteration or I can turn the query into a structure and do a
 structure lookup (structkeyexists, etc) on each iteration. I'm
 assuming that the struct lookup will be faster/more efficient even
 after having to turn the query into a structure.
 Anyone have an opinion on this?

 Thanks

 --
 Michael Dinowitz
 Lead Author - Adobe Coldfusion Anthology

 http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion

 

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Re: development and testing server

[Adrocknaphobia]

Won,

Unfortunately, the EULA is about as official as it gets. The best I can
offer is to send you and your admin and email from my Adobe account
confirming that the same key can be used between production, staging,
testing and development environments. It's important to note that licenses
and license keys are not one in the same. For example, if you buy a volume
license for ColdFusion that covers many servers, we commonly issue just a
single key -- imagine the headaches it would cause if you have to manage
100+ different CF license keys. The recent EULA change follows the same
principals. One serial key can cover multiple installs.

-Adam


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote:


 Thanks.  I did tell him that I got the post from Adam, who is the product
 manager, and the evangelist's blog.  he understands that we can create a
 dev
 and staging server for each key we own.  The EULA is clear about that.  He
 wants, in writing, that the process is to just use the production key.  We
 operate in a GxP environment and our process must be documented for audits.

 W

 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com
 wrote:

 
  The author of that article works for Adobe in an official CF capacity
  and then points to the changes in the EULA. I think that short of get
  a signed statement from Adobe's lawyers that they won't sue you, that
  is about as official as you are going to get. You've got the license
  text and you have a top-level Adobe employee spelling out the details
  of what it means. Baring that, I'd suggest contacting Adobe directly.
 
  Judah
 
  On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   He was looking for something more official.  We take licenses very
  seriously
   here.
  
   W
  
   On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com
  wrote:
  
  
  
  
 
 http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/coldfusion-9-testing-staging-and-development-changes-to-eula
  
   On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote:
   
Adam,
   
my network admin is asking me for a URL or documenation that
  specifically
states that.  I showed him the EULA but he is asking for the part
  where
   we
can use a production key for development and testing.  He
 understands
   those
servers will only be used for development and testing.
   
W
   
   
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote:
   
Thanks
   
   
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia 
   adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:
   
   
Just use the same key.
   
-Adam
   
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   

 Hi folks,

 I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the
   standard
 version on my production box.  I want to change the dev box to
   standard
for
 development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3.  Any directions
 for
   this
or
 do I just enter the same key?

 W



   
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: logout and back button

[Michael Grant]

You. You do it all. It's easy peasy to clear a session and stop page
caching.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Anene Isioma Wealth 
anene.quor...@yahoo.com wrote:


 which developer, we or the platform developer, Macromedia?

  Sincerely,
 Chuka I.W. Anene
 Chief Software Eng./CEO
 Quorium Solutions
 www.quorium.org
 07029609185,07032696113




 
 From: Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz
 To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 6:50:26 AM
 Subject: Re: logout and back button


 No no. It's not a ColdFusion (or Cold Fusion) issue. If *the designer* of
 an
 application does his/her job correctly this isn't an issue at all. The onus
 is on the developer, not the language.

 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Anene Isioma Wealth 
 anene.quor...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
  Thanks for the correction.
  That was what i meant actually, after all, Adobe only acquired Coldfusion
  MX.
 
  So sad that over the years, they are still silent about it...
 
  So sad
 
   Sincerely,
  Chuka I.W. Anene
  Chief Software Eng./CEO
 
 
 
 
  
  From: Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz
  To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 6:02:07 AM
  Subject: Re: logout and back button
 
 
  I don't think this is an Adobe issue. It's an application design issue.
 If
  you design your web apps properly you will be checking for a valid
  authenticated session every time a request is made. Also you'll properly
  control caching to enable log out really means log out.
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Anene Isioma Wealth 
  anene.quor...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
   i think this is a major issue that adobe needs to consider.
  
   I had this challenge a while ago and after searching the web for
 months,
  i
   did
   not see any thing tangible to use across all explorers. I had to
 consider
   learning other programming languages, just because of the logout bud.
  
   If Adobe has a solution for this, then they should speak up and silence
  all
   doubts.
  
Sincerely,
   Chuka I.W. Anene
  
  
  
  
   
   From: Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@halliwells.com
   To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
   Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:33:19 AM
   Subject: Re: logout and back button
  
  
   On Saturday 10 Jul 2010 18:34:50 you wrote:
however after logging out, i am able to click the back button and get
   back
into the last page in the software.
  
   On the logout action page, redirect them to a page that does a
  redirection
   to
   the login page.
   This is commonly seen as a 'logout confirmation' page that says thank
  you
   for
   using blah blah ltd.
  
   --
   Tom Chiverton
   Helping to appropriately industrialize professional cross-platform
   efficient
   patterns as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08
  
   
  
   This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP.
  
   Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England
  and
   Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address
 is
   at
   Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB.
  A
   list of
   members is available for inspection at the registered office together
  with
   a
   list of those non members who are referred to as partners.  We use the
  word
   “partner” to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant
   with
   equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors
   Regulation
   Authority.
  
   CONFIDENTIALITY
  
   This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above
 and
   may be
   confidential or legally privileged.  If you are not the addressee you
  must
   not
   read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor
   inform any
   person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or
   contents.
   If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify
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   For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.co
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 



 

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Re: struct lookup vs. query of queries

[Cameron Childress]

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Michael Dinowitz
mdino...@houseoffusion.com wrote:
 I've got a loop which will need to look up a piece of data on each
 iteration. The data is standardized so there is really just one call
 to the database (outside the loop). I can either do a query of queries
 on each iteration or I can turn the query into a structure and do a
 structure lookup (structkeyexists, etc) on each iteration. I'm
 assuming that the struct lookup will be faster/more efficient even
 after having to turn the query into a structure.
 Anyone have an opinion on this?

I virtually always choose to use a struct in these cases.  There are
very few cases where I have seen an argument to use QoQ for virtually
anything.  QoQ is typically much slower than structs, assuming you are
using alot of values from the query.  Sometimes it can even be faster
to go back to the DB each time rather than QoQ.  Seriously.

Depending on the use case, I like to convert the Query to a struct and
then cache that struct either in a shared scope, or using CF9's
EHCache caching mechanisms.  You can wrap that whole thing up in a
nice little CFC and it become really quite reusable.

-Cameron

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Problem with 9.0.1 Upgrade - DataSource Service Not Available

[Matthew Gersting]

Last night our server admin went through all of our development and staging 
boxes and applied the 9.0.1 patch.  Most of these upgrades when fine, however, 
one collection of machines - for some reason - did not.  They are getting this 
old classic when you try and access the cf administrator:


The DataSource service is not available.
This exception is usually caused by service startup failure. Check your server 
configuration.


Has anyone else encountered this during the 9.0.1 upgrade? All the search 
results I have for the error relate to MX 7 and previous versions - something 
about a missing or corrupted neo-query.xml file.


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Re: logout and back button

[Ian Skinner]

  On 7/14/2010 6:59 AM, Anene Isioma Wealth wrote:
 which developer, we or the platform developer, Macromedia?

Or the browser developers.

The problem you are overlooking is that this has nothing to do with the 
server or ColdFusion (no matter how it is spelled).  The user is not 
getting a new page from the server that is showing something from the 
recently killed session.  They are getting the a page they already 
viewed that their browser has stored on their machine.

We, as developers, can only politely ask the browser not to do this.  
But sometimes the browser, or the way the user has configured their 
browser, may not honor the request.

There is no server language in the world that can do it differently or 
better.  Adobe nee Macromedia nee Allaire have not developed any browser 
that of which I am aware.




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Re: Problem with 9.0.1 Upgrade - DataSource Service Not Available

[Dave Watts]

 Last night our server admin went through all of our development and staging 
 boxes and applied the 9.0.1 patch.  Most of these
 upgrades when fine, however, one collection of machines - for some reason - 
 did not.  They are getting this old classic when you
 try and access the cf administrator:

 The DataSource service is not available.
 This exception is usually caused by service startup failure. Check your 
 server configuration.

 Has anyone else encountered this during the 9.0.1 upgrade? All the search 
 results I have for the error relate to MX 7 and previous
 versions - something about a missing or corrupted neo-query.xml file.

I haven't encountered this or anything similar, but I read about
another datasource problem with the 9.0.1 upgrade. The fix for that
was to roll back the macromedia_drivers.jar file to the one installed
before the upgrade (it's stored in a backup directory automatically -
I don't remember where offhand, but you should be able to find every
instance of macromedia_drivers.jar on your machine by opening a
command prompt, navigating to the drive in question, then typing dir
macromedia_drivers.jar /s.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
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RE: struct lookup vs. query of queries

[DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)]

Correct me if I'm wrong (please) but isn't a query already a Struct of Arrays?

I mean the following is totally valid:

Table user_list (user_fname, user_lname) {shown in comma delimited format}
Cameron, Childress
Michael, Dinowitz
Steve, Durette

cfquery name=myUserList (blah blah) 
Select user_id, user_name
From user_list;
/cfquery

cfoutput
#Variables.myUserList[user_fname][2] #
/cfoutput

Would output: Michael

So after the query is loaded, you can just use the data. No copying no extra 
query, just direct access.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:27 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: struct lookup vs. query of queries


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Michael Dinowitz
mdino...@houseoffusion.com wrote:
 I've got a loop which will need to look up a piece of data on each
 iteration. The data is standardized so there is really just one call
 to the database (outside the loop). I can either do a query of queries
 on each iteration or I can turn the query into a structure and do a
 structure lookup (structkeyexists, etc) on each iteration. I'm
 assuming that the struct lookup will be faster/more efficient even
 after having to turn the query into a structure.
 Anyone have an opinion on this?

I virtually always choose to use a struct in these cases.  There are
very few cases where I have seen an argument to use QoQ for virtually
anything.  QoQ is typically much slower than structs, assuming you are
using alot of values from the query.  Sometimes it can even be faster
to go back to the DB each time rather than QoQ.  Seriously.

Depending on the use case, I like to convert the Query to a struct and
then cache that struct either in a shared scope, or using CF9's
EHCache caching mechanisms.  You can wrap that whole thing up in a
nice little CFC and it become really quite reusable.

-Cameron

-- 
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Sumo Consulting Inc
http://www.sumoc.com
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Re: How Many CFCs is too many CFCs

[Andrew Clarke]

I don't recall 100% what the problem was, but I'll tell you what I remember.  I 
built www.knappfast.com a few years ago using ColdBox  ColdSpring.  If you 
look at the site, bear in mind that I have nothing to do with the look  feel, 
and that it was started in 2007 ;-)  For various reasons, it just went live 
last month.

Anyway, there were some singleton objects, and some other objects.  There were 
some instances where I tried to put a singleton into other objects.  For 
example, I'd have, say, a cart.  Each user would have his/her own cart, but 
there would only need to be one cart DAO.  So I put the cart DAO in as cart.DAO 
so I could do something like cart.DAO.save().  I'm simplifying things a bit but 
you get the idea.  CartDAO was probably saved as a singleton in ColdSpring.

I also have some very large objects that can store a LOT of data.  There are 
some processes that pull tens of thousands of products, so if a bunch of those 
aren't released, you'll see memory climb very rapidly and then not get released.

The issue was that if CartDAO was saved in the application or session scope, 
the cart object wouldn't GC properly as it had a handle on an 
application-scoped object.  I tried a few things, including:

1. Changing JVM arguments to allow a larger max memory size 
(-XX:MaxPermSize=768m).  While this certainly helped, it really only helped to 
delay the problem rather than to eliminate it.

2. Using structCopy(). However, structCopy() only copies the topmost part of a 
structure (or object) by value and copies everything else by reference.  
Therefore this didn't resolve the problem.

3. Using duplicate().  IIRC this helped in development on CF9 but when I went 
to deploy on CF7 I found out that you can't use duplicate() on objects, only 
generic structures.

4. Ripping out ColdBox and ColdSpring.  I wrote my own very lightweight 
replacement framework that only does the things I need it to do.  This helped a 
lot as I now have fewer black boxes in my code, and things run a lot faster and 
consume less memory.

5. I also tried explicitly calling garbage collection at the end of every 
request:

var obj = createObject(java,java.lang.System);
obj.gc();
obj.runFinalization();

This certainly adds a bit of overhead to every page request and I wouldn't 
recommend this specific approach to a high-volume site, but it tends to bring 
down memory usage more quickly than waiting for Java to GC.  However, it 
doesn't resolve the core problem if garbage collection isn't releasing the 
memory anyway.

6. Finally, I ended up realizing what the problem was and stopped using session 
and application singletons.  I now create a per-request singleton object that 
gets destroyed along with the rest of the request.  It's not a high-volume site 
and this was a better solution than re-architecting everything to allow session 
or application-based singletons.

I'm sure there are others on here who have done a better job of avoiding, 
identifying, and/or resolving this issue, but these are the steps I went 
through.

- Andrew.

On 2010-07-14, at 06:42, Kris Jones wrote:

 
 Andrew,
 
 Can you elaborate on the problems you've seen loading Application
 scoped objects into the request scope? We're having some problem with
 this as well, re: garbage-collection. Is there any documentation you
 can point me at for this issue?
 
 What alternative do you recommend? Just always calling the
 shared-scope object directly, instead of referencing the request
 scoped object? For what it's worth, the request scoped object would
 just be a pointer to the App-scoped object. So on request end, the
 pointer should be set null, and should be garbage-collectable, right?
 
 Cheers,
 Kris

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Re: struct lookup vs. query of queries

[Michael Grant]

Michael,

Any chance you can give us a real example and some more detail so we may try
to give you the best solution?



On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT) 
sd1...@att.com wrote:


 Correct me if I'm wrong (please) but isn't a query already a Struct of
 Arrays?

 I mean the following is totally valid:

 Table user_list (user_fname, user_lname) {shown in comma delimited format}
 Cameron, Childress
 Michael, Dinowitz
 Steve, Durette

 cfquery name=myUserList (blah blah) 
 Select user_id, user_name
 From user_list;
 /cfquery

 cfoutput
 #Variables.myUserList[user_fname][2] #
 /cfoutput

 Would output: Michael

 So after the query is loaded, you can just use the data. No copying no
 extra query, just direct access.

 Steve

 -Original Message-
 From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:27 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: struct lookup vs. query of queries


 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Michael Dinowitz
 mdino...@houseoffusion.com wrote:
  I've got a loop which will need to look up a piece of data on each
  iteration. The data is standardized so there is really just one call
  to the database (outside the loop). I can either do a query of queries
  on each iteration or I can turn the query into a structure and do a
  structure lookup (structkeyexists, etc) on each iteration. I'm
  assuming that the struct lookup will be faster/more efficient even
  after having to turn the query into a structure.
  Anyone have an opinion on this?

 I virtually always choose to use a struct in these cases.  There are
 very few cases where I have seen an argument to use QoQ for virtually
 anything.  QoQ is typically much slower than structs, assuming you are
 using alot of values from the query.  Sometimes it can even be faster
 to go back to the DB each time rather than QoQ.  Seriously.

 Depending on the use case, I like to convert the Query to a struct and
 then cache that struct either in a shared scope, or using CF9's
 EHCache caching mechanisms.  You can wrap that whole thing up in a
 nice little CFC and it become really quite reusable.

 -Cameron

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Re: How Many CFCs is too many CFCs

[Kris Jones]

One reason I ask is that I've done quite a bit of work on trying to
resolve this exact issue in an application we're working now.

I did find a couple of relevant posts, that appear to address the
issue. We're still having some problems with other code, but fixing
the missing output attribute problem seemed to resolve a good deal
of the problems we were having.

http://www.bytestopshere.com/post.cfm/must-read-coldspring-bug-memory-leak
http://blog.maestropublishing.com/fixing-a-mysterious-memory-leak-on-coldfusion

We also ran through with varscoper, and found one place in particular
where a non-var scoped variable was hurting us big time. But I think
pointing to a var scoping issue as a memory leak would be a rare
occasion -- more likely just a big problem with incorrect data.

I'm really curious what other folks have experienced as regards the
hard-bind issue. I know many are using frameworks that would
experience this issue, so I can't imagine it has gone unnoticed.

Cheers,
Kris


On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Andrew Clarke s...@clarke.ca wrote:

 I don't recall 100% what the problem was, but I'll tell you what I remember.  
 I built www.knappfast.com a few years ago using ColdBox  ColdSpring.  If you 
 look at the site, bear in mind that I have nothing to do with the look  
 feel, and that it was started in 2007 ;-)  For various reasons, it just went 
 live last month.

 Anyway, there were some singleton objects, and some other objects.  There 
 were some instances where I tried to put a singleton into other objects.  For 
 example, I'd have, say, a cart.  Each user would have his/her own cart, but 
 there would only need to be one cart DAO.  So I put the cart DAO in as 
 cart.DAO so I could do something like cart.DAO.save().  I'm simplifying 
 things a bit but you get the idea.  CartDAO was probably saved as a singleton 
 in ColdSpring.

 I also have some very large objects that can store a LOT of data.  There are 
 some processes that pull tens of thousands of products, so if a bunch of 
 those aren't released, you'll see memory climb very rapidly and then not get 
 released.

 The issue was that if CartDAO was saved in the application or session scope, 
 the cart object wouldn't GC properly as it had a handle on an 
 application-scoped object.  I tried a few things, including:

 1. Changing JVM arguments to allow a larger max memory size 
 (-XX:MaxPermSize=768m).  While this certainly helped, it really only helped 
 to delay the problem rather than to eliminate it.

 2. Using structCopy(). However, structCopy() only copies the topmost part of 
 a structure (or object) by value and copies everything else by reference.  
 Therefore this didn't resolve the problem.

 3. Using duplicate().  IIRC this helped in development on CF9 but when I went 
 to deploy on CF7 I found out that you can't use duplicate() on objects, only 
 generic structures.

 4. Ripping out ColdBox and ColdSpring.  I wrote my own very lightweight 
 replacement framework that only does the things I need it to do.  This helped 
 a lot as I now have fewer black boxes in my code, and things run a lot faster 
 and consume less memory.

 5. I also tried explicitly calling garbage collection at the end of every 
 request:

 var obj = createObject(java,java.lang.System);
 obj.gc();
 obj.runFinalization();

 This certainly adds a bit of overhead to every page request and I wouldn't 
 recommend this specific approach to a high-volume site, but it tends to bring 
 down memory usage more quickly than waiting for Java to GC.  However, it 
 doesn't resolve the core problem if garbage collection isn't releasing the 
 memory anyway.

 6. Finally, I ended up realizing what the problem was and stopped using 
 session and application singletons.  I now create a per-request singleton 
 object that gets destroyed along with the rest of the request.  It's not a 
 high-volume site and this was a better solution than re-architecting 
 everything to allow session or application-based singletons.

 I'm sure there are others on here who have done a better job of avoiding, 
 identifying, and/or resolving this issue, but these are the steps I went 
 through.

 - Andrew.

 On 2010-07-14, at 06:42, Kris Jones wrote:


 Andrew,

 Can you elaborate on the problems you've seen loading Application
 scoped objects into the request scope? We're having some problem with
 this as well, re: garbage-collection. Is there any documentation you
 can point me at for this issue?

 What alternative do you recommend? Just always calling the
 shared-scope object directly, instead of referencing the request
 scoped object? For what it's worth, the request scoped object would
 just be a pointer to the App-scoped object. So on request end, the
 pointer should be set null, and should be garbage-collectable, right?

 Cheers,
 Kris

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Re: Oracle Stored Procedure Help

[James Holmes]

Don't loop over the cursor in the proc; CF does that for you with the
procresult tag. Also, the only argument you need is the cursor for the
procresult; get rid of the rest.

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On 14 July 2010 08:48, Chad Baloga cbal...@gmail.com wrote:

 I tried but get an error.  Here is my stored procedure

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Re: development and testing server

[Won Lee]

Adam,

That would be great.  I will email you my work email off the list.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Adrocknaphobia
adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:


 Won,

 Unfortunately, the EULA is about as official as it gets. The best I can
 offer is to send you and your admin and email from my Adobe account
 confirming that the same key can be used between production, staging,
 testing and development environments. It's important to note that licenses
 and license keys are not one in the same. For example, if you buy a volume
 license for ColdFusion that covers many servers, we commonly issue just a
 single key -- imagine the headaches it would cause if you have to manage
 100+ different CF license keys. The recent EULA change follows the same
 principals. One serial key can cover multiple installs.

 -Adam


 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Thanks.  I did tell him that I got the post from Adam, who is the product
  manager, and the evangelist's blog.  he understands that we can create a
  dev
  and staging server for each key we own.  The EULA is clear about that.
  He
  wants, in writing, that the process is to just use the production key.
  We
  operate in a GxP environment and our process must be documented for
 audits.
 
  W
 
  On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com
  wrote:
 
  
   The author of that article works for Adobe in an official CF capacity
   and then points to the changes in the EULA. I think that short of get
   a signed statement from Adobe's lawyers that they won't sue you, that
   is about as official as you are going to get. You've got the license
   text and you have a top-level Adobe employee spelling out the details
   of what it means. Baring that, I'd suggest contacting Adobe directly.
  
   Judah
  
   On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote:
   
He was looking for something more official.  We take licenses very
   seriously
here.
   
W
   
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com
 
   wrote:
   
   
   
   
  
 
 http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/coldfusion-9-testing-staging-and-development-changes-to-eula
   
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote:

 Adam,

 my network admin is asking me for a URL or documenation that
   specifically
 states that.  I showed him the EULA but he is asking for the part
   where
we
 can use a production key for development and testing.  He
  understands
those
 servers will only be used for development and testing.

 W


 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks


 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia 
adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:


 Just use the same key.

 -Adam

 On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 
  Hi folks,
 
  I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and
 the
standard
  version on my production box.  I want to change the dev box to
standard
 for
  development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3.  Any directions
  for
this
 or
  do I just enter the same key?
 
  W
 
 
 




   
   
   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: struct lookup vs. query of queries

[Cameron Childress]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)
sd1...@att.com wrote:
 Correct me if I'm wrong (please) but isn't a query already a Struct of Arrays?

It is, but you can really only use that to select data based on a
column name and row number.  Typically, if I were to convert a query
to a struct and then use that struct, the key of the struct might be
something like the PK of the data, such as userID.  This means you
could look up a value in the struct like this:

#myStruct[variables.userID].firstName#

If you leave your resultset as a query, you cannot look up an
individual row without knowing it's row number.  Which makes it's a
struct of arrays pretty useless if all you know is the user's ID.

-Cameron

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Re: Problem with 9.0.1 Upgrade - DataSource Service Not Available

[Matthew Gersting]

Thanks for the suggestion, Dave.  I passed this along to a server guy but 
apparently it was a no-go :\ 

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ms sql 2005 trigger

[Morchella Deliciosa]

hey guys. i am trying to get a simple trigger to work.
if i update a field then it sets the corresponding fields with a date.
but the code below when u update the field it then updates ALL fields in table 
with said date.

i am sure i just need to pass the pkey as a @var to a where clause.
but i am not sure how.



CREATE TRIGGER trig_Update_Waive_Date

ON customer
FOR UPDATE 
AS

IF UPDATE(waive)
BEGIN
IF @@ROWCOUNT = 0
UPDATE customer
SET waive_date = getdate()
ELSE
ROLLBACK TRANSACTION
END 

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CF website vs CF blog and Ping services

[Terry Troxel]

I have been searching unsuccessfully for how to notify the various search
engines and article directories when a page on a CF coded ***website*** has
added content like the blogs do with services such as pingomatic and
pingoat.

The pages I would like to be addressed are primarily projects pages as new
projects are being added and updated as the project progresses.
One scenario I have contemplated is to turn those pages into a modified blog
separate from the website, but am unsure if this would work. 

I have an automatically generated sitemap, but that is not instant service
like the blogs seem to receive.

Anybody have any comments, suggestions or other positive feedback?

Terry Troxel

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Re: ms sql 2005 trigger

[Morchella Deliciosa]

got it...
gerr...

CREATE TRIGGER trig_Update_Waive_Date

ON customer
FOR UPDATE 
AS

IF UPDATE(waive)
BEGIN
UPDATE customer
SET waive_date = getdate()
where pkey=(Select pkey from Inserted)
END 

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Re: Problem with 9.0.1 Upgrade - DataSource Service Not Available

[Jason Fisher]

Elsewhere on HoF ...

http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335322

 Last night our server admin went through all of our development and 
 staging boxes and applied the 9.0.1 patch.  Most of these upgrades 
 when fine, however, one collection of machines - for some reason - did 
 not.  They are getting this old classic when you try and access the cf 
 administrator:
 
 
 The DataSource service is not available.
 This exception is usually caused by service startup failure. Check 
 your server configuration.
 
 
 Has anyone else encountered this during the 9.0.1 upgrade? All the 
 search results I have for the error relate to MX 7 and previous 
 versions - something about a missing or corrupted neo-query.xml file.


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Problem with coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory datasourceservice.getdatasources() after upgating to 9.1

[Gerald Guido]

I use this to get the data sources from CF
cfset conn = createobject(java,coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory)
cfset dsns= conn.datasourceservice.getdatasources() 


And after upgrading it to 9.0.1 it throws an error.  Yeah I know. It is not
supported.

Does any one know of a way off hand to get the CF data sources with out
having to provide a login to the CF Administrator?

Thanx
G!

oldfusion.security.SecurityManager$UnauthenticatedCredentialsException

at 
coldfusion.security.SecurityManager.authenticateAdmin(SecurityManager.java:1958)
at coldfusion.sql.Executive.getDatasources(Executive.java:96)
at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor44.invoke(Unknown Source)


at 
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
at coldfusion.runtime.StructBean.invoke(StructBean.java:508)
at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage._invoke(CfJspPage.java:2393)


at 
cfindex2ecfm177435796._factor8(C:\xampp_CF9_Fresh\htdocs\cfsimple\index.cfm:124)
at 
cfindex2ecfm177435796._factor10(C:\xampp_CF9_Fresh\htdocs\cfsimple\index.cfm:1)
at 
cfindex2ecfm177435796.runPage(C:\xampp_CF9_Fresh\htdocs\cfsimple\index.cfm:1)


at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage.invoke(CfJspPage.java:231)
at coldfusion.tagext.lang.IncludeTag.doStartTag(IncludeTag.java:416)
at coldfusion.filter.CfincludeFilter.invoke(CfincludeFilter.java:65)
at 
coldfusion.filter.ApplicationFilter.invoke(ApplicationFilter.java:360)


at 
coldfusion.filter.RequestMonitorFilter.invoke(RequestMonitorFilter.java:48)
at coldfusion.filter.MonitoringFilter.invoke(MonitoringFilter.java:40)
at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(PathFilter.java:94)


at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(ExceptionFilter.java:70)
at 
coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(ClientScopePersistenceFilter.java:28)
at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(BrowserFilter.java:38)


at coldfusion.filter.NoCacheFilter.invoke(NoCacheFilter.java:46)
at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:38)
at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22)
at coldfusion.filter.CachingFilter.invoke(CachingFilter.java:62)


at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:200)
at 
coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet.service(BootstrapServlet.java:89)
at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:86)
at 
coldfusion.monitor.event.MonitoringServletFilter.doFilter(MonitoringServletFilter.java:42)


at 
coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapFilter.doFilter(BootstrapFilter.java:46)
at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:94)
at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.service(FilterChain.java:101)
at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:106)


at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42)
at 
jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:286)
at 
jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:543)


at 
jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:203)
at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:320)
at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:428)


at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:266)
at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66)


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Re: Best conference?

[Sean Corfield]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:32 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)
sd1...@att.com wrote:
 So... Did anyone else get the email stating that this year would be the
 LAST CFUnited conference?

Yup, and the blog posts and the flood of tweets :)

Michael (Smith, TeraTech) explained that the reason is financial. They
lost a lot of money last year and can't afford to do it any more. Big
conferences cost a LOT of money to put on and it's almost impossible
to break even let alone make money on them. Most big conferences are
run by corporations as loss-leaders for marketing purposes. The pure
developer conferences need lots of sponsorship dollars and the
recession's made that difficult - and the recession has meant fewer
attendees as well which means less revenue for the conference (and
they have to commit to a venue well in advance so it's not like they
can suddenly say Oh, we have half as many attendees this year, let's
find a smaller, cheaper venue!).
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An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

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Re: Facebook Connect and coldfusion

[Jeff Gladnick]

Anyone else have any luck with this? 

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RE: Best conference?

[Mark A. Kruger]

Not to mention many folks act like you are robbing them when you charge
anything close to the real cost :)

Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG
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-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:16 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best conference?


On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:32 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)
sd1...@att.com wrote:
 So... Did anyone else get the email stating that this year would be the
 LAST CFUnited conference?

Yup, and the blog posts and the flood of tweets :)

Michael (Smith, TeraTech) explained that the reason is financial. They
lost a lot of money last year and can't afford to do it any more. Big
conferences cost a LOT of money to put on and it's almost impossible
to break even let alone make money on them. Most big conferences are
run by corporations as loss-leaders for marketing purposes. The pure
developer conferences need lots of sponsorship dollars and the
recession's made that difficult - and the recession has meant fewer
attendees as well which means less revenue for the conference (and
they have to commit to a venue well in advance so it's not like they
can suddenly say Oh, we have half as many attendees this year, let's
find a smaller, cheaper venue!).
-- 
Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/
An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
-- Margaret Atwood



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RE: Best conference?

[Eric Roberts]

Would it help if they moved the conference around?  I think having it in the
same location really limits it as many folk who can't afford to travel would
probably jump at the chance to go if it was local(assuming it was
affordable...I have seen conferences that were very high priced to the point
that if your employed didn't pay for it, I could see why attendance would be
low).  I wonder if something like that would help increase it's
profitability.  That might also encourage local sponsors.  Let's say it was
in Chicago, I think that Chicago area businesses would be more likely to be
sponsors than if the conference was in LA.

-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:16 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best conference?


On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:32 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)
sd1...@att.com wrote:
 So... Did anyone else get the email stating that this year would be the
 LAST CFUnited conference?

Yup, and the blog posts and the flood of tweets :)

Michael (Smith, TeraTech) explained that the reason is financial. They
lost a lot of money last year and can't afford to do it any more. Big
conferences cost a LOT of money to put on and it's almost impossible
to break even let alone make money on them. Most big conferences are
run by corporations as loss-leaders for marketing purposes. The pure
developer conferences need lots of sponsorship dollars and the
recession's made that difficult - and the recession has meant fewer
attendees as well which means less revenue for the conference (and
they have to commit to a venue well in advance so it's not like they
can suddenly say Oh, we have half as many attendees this year, let's
find a smaller, cheaper venue!).
-- 
Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/
An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
-- Margaret Atwood



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Re: Best conference?

[Cameron Childress]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.com wrote:
 Not to mention many folks act like you are robbing them when you charge
 anything close to the real cost :)

At times that appears to be true for both conferences and software on this list.

-Cameron

...

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Re: Best conference?

[Adrocknaphobia]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.com
 wrote:
  Not to mention many folks act like you are robbing them when you charge
  anything close to the real cost :)

 At times that appears to be true for both conferences and software on this
 list.

 -Cameron


Lol. I hear that!

-Adam


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Re: Best conference?

[Andrew Clarke]

Thanks again for the conference ideas.

For those who missed the link off the HoF home page, 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/news/4812-the-inside-scoop-on-cfunited.htm does 
a good job of explaining why CFUnited was cancelled.

- Andrew.

On 2010-07-14, at 13:24, Eric Roberts wrote:

 
 Would it help if they moved the conference around?  I think having it in the
 same location really limits it as many folk who can't afford to travel would
 probably jump at the chance to go if it was local(assuming it was
 affordable...I have seen conferences that were very high priced to the point
 that if your employed didn't pay for it, I could see why attendance would be
 low).  I wonder if something like that would help increase it's
 profitability.  That might also encourage local sponsors.  Let's say it was
 in Chicago, I think that Chicago area businesses would be more likely to be
 sponsors than if the conference was in LA.

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Re: Best conference?

[Andy Allan]

When the shit hit the fan in 2008, it was right after our biggest SotR  
to date. But we made a 5 year plan:

2009: we would take the conference on tour across the UK and Europe as  
a series of one day events to keep delegate and sponsor costs low.

2010: do a 2 day conference at a real low cost venue and spend the  
budget on a couple of big name speakers and some good quality swag

2011-2013: head back to Edinburgh, at a great venue and keep ticket  
and sponsorship pricing the same as 2010. Tickets are priced between  
£50 and £199. because of tying in for 3 years we've managed to get an  
amazing deal from the hotel and we've also committed to covering all  
speaker hotel costs. We've sold 50% of the tickets since they went on  
sale two weeks ago.

I love CFU. Been twice. But with conferences you need to adapt to  
what's going on around you and I think that's where CFU went wrong.  
There's no shame in scaling back, taking stock, and making plans to  
recover or indeed refocus slightly what with the emergence of the  
smaller, regional based events. But CFU will definitely be missed.

Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Jul 2010, at 18:15, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:32 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)
 sd1...@att.com wrote:
 So... Did anyone else get the email stating that this year would be  
 the
 LAST CFUnited conference?

 Yup, and the blog posts and the flood of tweets :)

 Michael (Smith, TeraTech) explained that the reason is financial. They
 lost a lot of money last year and can't afford to do it any more. Big
 conferences cost a LOT of money to put on and it's almost impossible
 to break even let alone make money on them. Most big conferences are
 run by corporations as loss-leaders for marketing purposes. The pure
 developer conferences need lots of sponsorship dollars and the
 recession's made that difficult - and the recession has meant fewer
 attendees as well which means less revenue for the conference (and
 they have to commit to a venue well in advance so it's not like they
 can suddenly say Oh, we have half as many attendees this year, let's
 find a smaller, cheaper venue!).
 -- 
 Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
 Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/
 An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

 If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
 -- Margaret Atwood

 

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Best way to handle 404s on CF7?

[Dave Burns]

I have a client with a CF7 site on shared hosting (CrystalTech). They wanted a 
nice 404 handler page so I set one up via IIS. This only caught non-CF files 
(e.g. .html). Any CF file (like cfm, cfc, etc.) was still be handed off to 
ColdFusion which would return a 404. I had CrystalTech change the IIS setting 
for this site for it to verify existence of all files no matter the file type. 
This worked well or so I thought.

I see now that all Flash features are busted (cfchart, cfcalendar, etc.) and 
returning 404s. A little Googling shows this is a known thing in the CF world. 
ColdFusion handles Flash features like this by referring to non-existent files 
and then intercepts requests to these magic named files. This breaks if IIS 
is testing for file existence first. The solution frequently recommended is to 
create a 0-length file of the name CF is looking for to make IIS happy.

Questions:
- If I go that route, CF seems to look for some files in my docroot and some 
files in the CFIDE dir. I can't get to the latter in shared hosting so seems 
like this isn't the way (?).
- The files CF looks for in my docroot have crazy numbering in them. Is this a 
stable URL or do I need to create a zillion dummy files?
- This would all be easier in CF8/9 with the OnMissingTemplate handler but the 
upgrade from CF7 is a ways off. Is there any equivalent in CF7? I'm in shared 
hosting so don't believe the CFIDE site-wide handler is an option.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
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Re: Best conference?

[Sean Corfield]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 Would it help if they moved the conference around?  I think having it in the
 same location really limits it as many folk who can't afford to travel would
 probably jump at the chance to go if it was local

It's a tricky issue...

Wherever it is, it's local for some folks and an expensive trip for
others. I expect CFUnited picked up a lot of 'local' developers due to
there being a lot of CF work in the DC area. cf.Objective() gets quite
a few local developers too (more than I would have expected). Move
either conference and those locals may not attend and you may or may
not get enough new locals in the target city to make up for that.

Because CFUnited was East Coast, it was usually a more expensive
conference for West Coast folks (like me) - but see below. Locking
into one location for multiple years can save a conference a bunch of
money because the venue likes guaranteed revenues for the future.

 in Chicago, I think that Chicago area businesses would be more likely to be
 sponsors than if the conference was in LA.

Finding somewhere in Chicago that can host a 400+ attendee conference
is likely to be as expensive as any other major city - and not
actually a cheaper airfare from the West Coast (for example - right
now IAD, ORD and MSP are all about $400 from SFO). San Francisco is a
very expensive location for a conference: CFUnited brought their
'Express' event there once and it was a bit of a financial disaster
for them. Costs for the venue were so high they had to budget a much
higher ticket price than other 'Express' events and then they only got
40 attendees (it was about $500 for a single day and I think they
needed about 100 attendees to make the event worthwhile).

There's also the issue that the organizers of a conference often want
it local to them because it makes their life much easier (they can
visit venues in person, as often as needed, and they generally have
better access to local businesses for sponsorship / deals etc).

Organizing conferences is hard work - my hat's off to anyone who does it!
-- 
Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
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An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

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Re: Oracle Stored Procedure Help

[Craigsell]

Shannon is right on.  However, I tend to use a weak ref cursor like

PROCEDURE procName (
   (input params)
p_cursorOUT sys_refcursor)

Makes thing much easier.

Your example is not returning cursors.  All you are doing is looping over a 
cursor without outputting anything except to the put_line.

Try something like:

PROCEDURE GETALL_SP (
my_data OUT sys_refcursor
) IS

BEGIN

OPEN my_data FOR
select distinct a, b, c
from mytable
where d not in (select d from getDeleted_V);

END GETALL_SP;


Also, make sure you have the latest Datadirect Drivers from Adobe -- the 
older ones did not support ref cursors from stored procs.  I think they have 
to be at least the version 3.5

Stored procedures are very powerful, especially when you want to do 
complicated things.  I can't remember the last time I used a CFQUERY.  I 
strongly recommend you look at the Oracle 10g documentation.  It has 
excellent information and  examples about stored procedures, ref cursors, 
and everything else.  A good editor like TOAD makes like much easier -- the 
pl/sql debugging features in TOAD are something I can't do without.

Warren 


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Re: Best conference?

[Mike Chabot]

The best conference I have been to is Microsoft Tech-Ed North America.
It is widely considered to be one of the best technology conferences
in the world. For many people it is the one conference they go to in a
year.

I often ask people what they think the best technology conferences are
and the two most common answers I hear are #1 Microsoft Tech-Ed North
America and #2 Microsoft PDC.

In addition to CF and Flex, I work heavily with Microsoft products,
like SQL Server, SSIS, ASP.NET, Reporting Services, etc, so the
Microsoft conferences have a lot of appeal to me. If you don't work
with any MS products, then the MS conferences would be mostly
irrelevant to you. Some other notable MS-related conferences are Mix,
SQL Pass, VSLive, DevTeach, and DevConnections. DevConnections is
great for SQL Server since the database track is run by the SQLSkills
team, who are arguably the best SQL Server trainers in the industry.
I've personally learned a lot from the sessions taught by Kimberly
Tripp and Paul Randall.

To give you a sense of scale, a large conference like NAB or CES can
involve over 100,000 attendees and staff, Tech-Ed has around 10,000
attendees, MAX has around 5,000 attendees, and CFUnited has around 500
attendees.

I am going to CFUnited in a couple weeks, although for me it is a
relatively short drive from where I live.

If one of your main goals is to learn the new CF 9 features, I think
the best sources are the manual, the developers guide, and the various
white papers, articles and blog posts, all of which are free.

Check out this list of conferences.
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/10/21/web-conferences-roundup-events-from-around-the-globe/

Have fun!

-Mike Chabot

http://www.linkedin.com/in/chabot

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Andrew Clarke s...@clarke.ca wrote:

 I posted a similar question on cf-community a week or two ago, but it sort of 
 got buried and only got one response (thanks ** Private ** for your response).

 I understand this is probably a loaded question, but what are peoples' 
 opinions on the best conference to attend?  I've been developing ColdFusion 
 apps for about 13 years now and have most of the features that have been 
 around for a while down pretty well.  However, I have only one client using 
 CF8, and am just in the process of installing CF9 for my first client right 
 now.  I'd love to especially learn how people are using some of the new 
 features in CF9, as well as Railo.

 I've never gone to a CF conference as I've always found conferences to be a 
 waste of time and money.  However, looking over Adobe Max, it looks like 
 there might be some interesting talks.  CFUnited looks cool too, but I'm 
 heading out of the country for 5 weeks starting early August, so I can't 
 really take off for a conference at the end of this month.  I'd only be able 
 to swing CFUnited, maybe, maayyybe, if the clear consensus is that it's far 
 far better than anything else.  It would be a huge push though to get down 
 there this month, and pre-registered by July 15.

 If you were a fairly advanced developer, looking to pick up some good 
 esoteric skills, discuss security, and meet the greater community, which 
 conference would you pick?  The one that was suggested to me was NCDevCon.  
 It seems a bit too Flash/UI-based whereas I'm more of a backend person.

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mod_rewrite question: redirecting to www.domain.com from domain.com with dynamic domain names

[Jeff Gladnick]

I get how to redirect from domain.com to www.domain.com like this:

rewritecond %{http_host} ^domain.com [nc]
rewriterule ^(.*)$ http://www.domain.com/$1 [r=301,nc] 

BUT, what if I do not know the domain name in advance, is there a way I can 
make it dynamic

AND

if it already has a subdomain, ignore this rule.  So...

domain.com -- www.domain.com
fred.domain.com -- DOES NOT REDIRECT to www.domain.com 

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