Re: Hosting an .apk file on cf7
We have our Android app built and the .apk file is on our CF7 server.
I'm using cfheader and cfcontent to get the file to download via a link.
But install on my phone fails. The app comes in as UNKNOWN and throws an
error about unknown file size.
When I click the link in a desktop browser, I get the correct file downloaded
as expected.
Has anyone done this yet? What am I missing?
Code:
cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=myNewApp.apk
cfcontent file=#expandPath('pathToFile/file.apk')#
I'd recommend trying the download using just your web server, and
comparing the HTTP response headers between the two downloads. I don't
know if CFCONTENT returns a Content-Length response header - you might
need that.
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Re: Hosting an .apk file on cf7
You need a MIME type added to the web server:
.apk - application/vnd.android.package-archive
-Jake
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
We have our Android app built and the .apk file is on our CF7 server.
I'm using cfheader and cfcontent to get the file to download via a link.
But install on my phone fails. The app comes in as UNKNOWN and throws
an error about unknown file size.
When I click the link in a desktop browser, I get the correct file
downloaded as expected.
Has anyone done this yet? What am I missing?
Code:
cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment;
filename=myNewApp.apk
cfcontent file=#expandPath('pathToFile/file.apk')#
I'd recommend trying the download using just your web server, and
comparing the HTTP response headers between the two downloads. I don't
know if CFCONTENT returns a Content-Length response header - you might
need that.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
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MS Word Formatted text in DB not displaying correctly on output
Hi All. I have a column that I am retrieving from a SQL 08 database that contains lots of word formatting. here is how the dump looks: ph2SUPPLIER: Scott Specialty Gases/h2 table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in' tr style='mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes' td width=120 valign=top style='width:1.25in;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in' p class=MsoNormalbspan style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'SUPPLIER ADDRESS:/span/bspan style='font-size:9.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'o:p/o:p/span/p... My problem is when I put this in a CFOUTPUT tag, the styles, etc don't render. It looks exactly like it does when it comes out of the database. None of the formatting is displayed. Any suggestions? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348569 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: MS Word Formatted text in DB not displaying correctly on output
I have a column that I am retrieving from a SQL 08 database that contains lots of word formatting. here is how the dump looks: ph2SUPPLIER: Scott Specialty Gases/h2 table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in' tr style='mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti- lastrow:yes' td width=120 valign=top style='width:1.25in;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in' p class=MsoNormalbspan style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'SUPPLIER ADDRESS:/span/bspan style='font-size:9.0pt; font- family:Arial;color:black'o:p/o:p/span/p... My problem is when I put this in a CFOUTPUT tag, the styles, etc don't render. It looks exactly like it does when it comes out of the database. None of the formatting is displayed. Any suggestions? I suspect that you're storing HTML escape characters (lt; instead of , etc) in your database. If so, you'll need to unescape them. You can do this with Replace. I suspect there's a function on cflib.org that does this too. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348570 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: MS Word Formatted text in DB not displaying correctly on output
I have a column that I am retrieving from a SQL 08 database that contains lots of word formatting. here is how the dump looks: ph2SUPPLIER: Scott Specialty Gases/h2 table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in' tr style='mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti- lastrow:yes' td width=120 valign=top style='width:1. 25in;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in' p class=MsoNormalbspan style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'SUPPLIER ADDRESS:/span/bspan style='font-size:9.0pt; font- family:Arial;color:black'o:p/o:p/span/p... My problem is when I put this in a CFOUTPUT tag, the styles, etc don't render. It looks exactly like it does when it comes out of the database. None of the formatting is displayed. Any suggestions? I suspect that you're storing HTML escape characters (lt; instead of , etc) in your database. If so, you'll need to unescape them. You can do this with Replace. I suspect there's a function on cflib.org that does this too. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. Just looked in the DB and you suspected correctly. Looking into your suggestions now! Thanks :) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348571 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Attribute validation error for tag cfloop
I get The value of the attribute query, which is currently WHAgentSales, is invalid. This is the loop: cfoutput cfloop query=WHAgentSales tr td align=right#WHAgentSales.Agent#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.ciscoid#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.SLL_ASC_ID_NO#/td td align=right#numberformat(WHAgentSales.WHSalesCallsAnsd,9,999)#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.WHSalesAHT#/td td align=right#numberformat(WHAgentSales.WHCCCallsAnsd,9,999)#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.WHCCAHT#/td td align=right$#numberformat(WHAgentSales.NetRevenue,9,999)#/td td align=right$#numberformat(WHAgentSales.NetWHSales,9,999)#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.NetWHUnits#/td td align=right$#numberformat(WHAgentSales.NetWHInstallSales,9,999)#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.NetWHInstallUnits#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.TTLInstallSalesOps#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.InstallPen#/td td align=right$#numberformat(WHAgentSales.NetPSSales,9,999)#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.NetPAUnits#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.PAItemPen#/td td align=right#WHAgentSales.PADollarPen#/td /tr /cfloop /cfoutput ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348572 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Attribute validation error for tag cfloop
I get The value of the attribute query, which is currently WHAgentSales, is invalid. This is the loop: cfoutput cfloop query=WHAgentSales ... Have you confirmed that there's a query called WHAgentSales in the page? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348573 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
TOT... IIS 6 Asp error logs
Esteemed CFers, We have an ASP 3 site that we host that is bombing out and we need to get to the log files and or find out what the errors are. Do any of you all l know the error logs are kept? This IIS logs I saw just have the request info and no errors. Or would it best to turn on error messages? Thanx and TIA, G! -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com -- We all shine on. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348574 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: TOT... IIS 6 Asp error logs
We have an ASP 3 site that we host that is bombing out and we need to get to the log files and or find out what the errors are. Do any of you all l know the error logs are kept? This IIS logs I saw just have the request info and no errors. Or would it best to turn on error messages? It's been a while since I've worked with classic ASP, but I don't think there's any real error logging on by default. You have to write an error handler to capture this information, and configure IIS to use that handler for 500 errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348575 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: MS Word Formatted text in DB not displaying correctly on output
You may also need to link in the original style sheet. At 01:05 PM 11/10/2011, you wrote: I have a column that I am retrieving from a SQL 08 database that contains lots of word formatting. here is how the dump looks: ph2SUPPLIER: Scott Specialty Gases/h2 table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in' tr style='mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti- lastrow:yes' td width=120 valign=top style='width:1. 25in;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in' p class=MsoNormalbspan style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'SUPPLIER ADDRESS:/span/bspan style='font-size:9.0pt; font- family:Arial;color:black'o:p/o:p/span/p... My problem is when I put this in a CFOUTPUT tag, the styles, etc don't render. It looks exactly like it does when it comes out of the database. None of the formatting is displayed. Any suggestions? I suspect that you're storing HTML escape characters (lt; instead of , etc) in your database. If so, you'll need to unescape them. You can do this with Replace. I suspect there's a function on cflib.org that does this too. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. Just looked in the DB and you suspected correctly. Looking into your suggestions now! Thanks :) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348576 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: TOT... IIS 6 Asp error logs
You have to write an error handler to capture this information, and configure IIS to use that handler for 500 errors. Thanx Dave. That is what The Google said. I was hoping there was another way. Much appreciated, G! On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: We have an ASP 3 site that we host that is bombing out and we need to get to the log files and or find out what the errors are. Do any of you all l know the error logs are kept? This IIS logs I saw just have the request info and no errors. Or would it best to turn on error messages? It's been a while since I've worked with classic ASP, but I don't think there's any real error logging on by default. You have to write an error handler to capture this information, and configure IIS to use that handler for 500 errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348577 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: TOT... IIS 6 Asp error logs
all you have is IIS LOGS by default, you need to use additional debugging tools and methods to get more info. here are some tools to help you on your way. http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=1200 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931370 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/299986 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: You have to write an error handler to capture this information, and configure IIS to use that handler for 500 errors. Thanx Dave. That is what The Google said. I was hoping there was another way. Much appreciated, G! On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: We have an ASP 3 site that we host that is bombing out and we need to get to the log files and or find out what the errors are. Do any of you all l know the error logs are kept? This IIS logs I saw just have the request info and no errors. Or would it best to turn on error messages? It's been a while since I've worked with classic ASP, but I don't think there's any real error logging on by default. You have to write an error handler to capture this information, and configure IIS to use that handler for 500 errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348578 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: TOT... IIS 6 Asp error logs
The IIS log files are kep by default in c:\windows\logfiles\W3SVCxxx - you look in the configuration for the website to determine which folder. Classic ASP errors are logged in the IIS Logs as an error status which may or may not be helpful. all you have is IIS LOGS by default, you need to use additional debugging tools and methods to get more info. here are some tools to help you on your way. http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=1200 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931370 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/299986 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348579 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: TOT... IIS 6 Asp error logs
Thank you all. We got the error and are on our way to a fix. G! On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Matthew Small chestypul...@beachbum.netwrote: The IIS log files are kep by default in c:\windows\logfiles\W3SVCxxx - you look in the configuration for the website to determine which folder. Classic ASP errors are logged in the IIS Logs as an error status which may or may not be helpful. all you have is IIS LOGS by default, you need to use additional debugging tools and methods to get more info. here are some tools to help you on your way. http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=1200 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931370 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/299986 On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348580 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: cfimage issue with dpi
Is it a page execution timeout or some database query execution timeout? Sorry I haven't gotten back, been out sick. All I know is that the code works fine if the image being uploaded is 72dpi. If the dpi is larger, I get an error message that the cfquery which follows the upload times out? What is confusing is that the code works and correctly resizes the image for a thumbnail, preview and display size. Places the images in the correct folders, then throws an error. Any suggestions? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348581 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
getPageContext() in onRequestEnd is empty?
I run some metric updating code in onRequestEnd. In certain cases, I want to show a message if the metric update fails. I want to replace what is already in the output buffer. I am trying this in onRequest end: cfset pageContent = getPageContext().getOut().getString() cfset getPageContext().getOut().clearBuffer() cfset pageContent = hello! cfset writeOutput(pageContent) cfset getPageContext().getOut().flush() But the original HTML is still outputted and my message is not. If I dump the getOut() result it is an empty string. I am not using CFFLUSH anywhere, so why would the HTML already by written from the buffer in onRequestEnd? Brook ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348582 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: cfimage issue with dpi
It is probably the page that is timing out rather than the query, but it the query that is running when this happens. One reason is because a higher DPI image is also going to be a much bigger file and take longer to upload, thus could be exceeding your default page timeout. use the cfsetting tag to increase the page time-out on that page that is doing the upload and see if that helps. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:38 PM, David Moore dgmoor...@hotmail.com wrote: Is it a page execution timeout or some database query execution timeout? Sorry I haven't gotten back, been out sick. All I know is that the code works fine if the image being uploaded is 72dpi. If the dpi is larger, I get an error message that the cfquery which follows the upload times out? What is confusing is that the code works and correctly resizes the image for a thumbnail, preview and display size. Places the images in the correct folders, then throws an error. Any suggestions? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348583 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: Wait.. does that mean that CF is undead? And part of the impending zombie Apocalypse? Sweet! CF is dying - no matter what the usual suspects say. The sad part is that CF is dying because potential newcomers to the language do not have a thriving community with support for bebinner's issues. Most of the material for beginners is outdate, abandoned or just plain old/ugly. CFLib has been semi-dead (even Ray Camden wrote yesterday how behind he is on queue). Ben Forta's site is despicably ugly - why won't Adobe pay a bit of money to give the man a nice site The current CF talk is about OOP and complicated stuff that 99% of the users don't need or understand. The experts have gone too hard core, scaring away people who could embrace Coldfusion's greatest asset: getting the basics quickly. That's what 99% of sites need: a little procedural code to get the website going without problems. I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a slow death and there is absolutely no reason why a person entering the web programming arena should go with Coldfusion instead of PHP, for example. I write these words with pain, because I love CF, but the truth is the truth. Now I must go back to finishing my Begineer PHP book (shame on me!). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348584 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
And on cue here comes the trolls. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote: On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: Wait.. does that mean that CF is undead? And part of the impending zombie Apocalypse? Sweet! CF is dying - no matter what the usual suspects say. The sad part is that CF is dying because potential newcomers to the language do not have a thriving community with support for bebinner's issues. Most of the material for beginners is outdate, abandoned or just plain old/ugly. CFLib has been semi-dead (even Ray Camden wrote yesterday how behind he is on queue). Ben Forta's site is despicably ugly - why won't Adobe pay a bit of money to give the man a nice site The current CF talk is about OOP and complicated stuff that 99% of the users don't need or understand. The experts have gone too hard core, scaring away people who could embrace Coldfusion's greatest asset: getting the basics quickly. That's what 99% of sites need: a little procedural code to get the website going without problems. I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a slow death and there is absolutely no reason why a person entering the web programming arena should go with Coldfusion instead of PHP, for example. I write these words with pain, because I love CF, but the truth is the truth. Now I must go back to finishing my Begineer PHP book (shame on me!). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348585 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
And on cue here comes the trolls. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote: And the insults are on cue, too! ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348586 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a slow death ... I just hope that when it's my time to go, my death will be as slow. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348587 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
hear hear Davebeen dying as long as I've been involvedso that's since January 1998oh yeah that's how I'm going out too ;-) On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 18:50 -0500, Dave Watts wrote: I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a slow death ... I just hope that when it's my time to go, my death will be as slow. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348588 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Not this again. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: hear hear Davebeen dying as long as I've been involvedso that's since January 1998oh yeah that's how I'm going out too ;-) On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 18:50 -0500, Dave Watts wrote: I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a slow death ... I just hope that when it's my time to go, my death will be as slow. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348589 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a slow death ... I just hope that when it's my time to go, my death will be as slow. Sincerely hope you are right and I'm wrong. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348590 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Not this again. You asked for it, boy :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348591 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I didn't have work, I'd have more time for CFLib. To me, this is a good problem to have. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote: On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: Wait.. does that mean that CF is undead? And part of the impending zombie Apocalypse? Sweet! CF is dying - no matter what the usual suspects say. The sad part is that CF is dying because potential newcomers to the language do not have a thriving community with support for bebinner's issues. Most of the material for beginners is outdate, abandoned or just plain old/ugly. CFLib has been semi-dead (even Ray Camden wrote yesterday how behind he is on queue). Ben Forta's site is despicably ugly - why won't Adobe pay a bit of money to give the man a nice site ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348592 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Can I/We help out any with CFLib? Train someone to help review? Knock off some updates/bugs? I'm *only* 195% busy and would be happy to chip in. .jonah On 11/10/11 5:36 PM, Raymond Camden wrote: To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I didn't have work, I'd have more time for CFLib. To me, this is a good problem to have. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomezir...@pixel69.com wrote: On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: Wait.. does that mean that CF is undead? And part of the impending zombie Apocalypse? Sweet! CF is dying - no matter what the usual suspects say. The sad part is that CF is dying because potential newcomers to the language do not have a thriving community with support for bebinner's issues. Most of the material for beginners is outdate, abandoned or just plain old/ugly. CFLib has been semi-dead (even Ray Camden wrote yesterday how behind he is on queue). Ben Forta's site is despicably ugly - why won't Adobe pay a bit of money to give the man a nice site ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348593 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Beginner's issues are welcome here. Just yesterday I posted the stupidest beginner's mistake and not one person made fun of me! At 06:44 PM 11/10/2011, you wrote: The sad part is that CF is dying because potential newcomers to the language do not have a thriving community with support for bebinner's issues. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348594 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Ping me off list. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:40 PM, .jonah jonah@creori.com wrote: Can I/We help out any with CFLib? Train someone to help review? Knock off some updates/bugs? I'm *only* 195% busy and would be happy to chip in. .jonah On 11/10/11 5:36 PM, Raymond Camden wrote: To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I didn't have work, I'd have more time for CFLib. To me, this is a good problem to have. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomezir...@pixel69.com wrote: On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: Wait.. does that mean that CF is undead? And part of the impending zombie Apocalypse? Sweet! CF is dying - no matter what the usual suspects say. The sad part is that CF is dying because potential newcomers to the language do not have a thriving community with support for bebinner's issues. Most of the material for beginners is outdate, abandoned or just plain old/ugly. CFLib has been semi-dead (even Ray Camden wrote yesterday how behind he is on queue). Ben Forta's site is despicably ugly - why won't Adobe pay a bit of money to give the man a nice site ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348595 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
You asked for it, boy :-) Excuse me? G! On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote: You asked for it, boy :-) -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com -- We all shine on. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348596 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: getPageContext() in onRequestEnd is empty?
I have run into a similar issue before. The buffer will empty itself to the client when it reaches a certain point (can anyone clarify what that would be?). The only way I have found around it is to save the content, and only output on the success condition. I had this issue when I mistakenly assumed that anything inside a try would not be output if any error was thrown and we landed in the catch. This is clearly not the case. Hope that helps. Ricardo. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348597 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
To give a littler perspective, Irvin, I'm hiring developers currently in one language and working on learning a couple others myself. Right now I'm in a .Net shop and hiring a dev or two for some projects. A number of them are web apps that need: MVC knowledge IOC/DI container understanding Solid OOP I got acquired by the company I work for and, having never done C#/.Net development, I had to figure out how I was going to take my apps and start porting them from CF over to C#/.Net. Fortunately for me, I'd kept up with developments in the CF world and had already started learning OOP, had started picking up ColdBox (an MVC framework), had already started figuring out IOC. So it was a matter of learning a new language more than it was learning fundamentally new concepts. Some things are different for sure, like duck typing vs static typing, interfaces, etc, but the concepts you are referring to as the complicated stuff that 99% of people don't need to know are actually concepts that span most languages are deal with organizational constructs that are common to creating solid, reusable, maintainable code for real projects. There is no way I'd hire a developer, in any language, at this point that didn't understand OOP. They don't have to use it for every little thing, but they need to understand what it is and when to use it. If it is a web project, they should know what MVC is and when/why to use that. If it is more of a RIA app, I'd expect them to understand MVVM and similar paradigms. The same concepts about separation of concerns, reusable code, unit testing, design patterns, fundamental architectural concerns and decisions, those are the sorts of things that make good programmers. Some languages make some bits easier and some make other bits easier. And some languages just feel right and make it a pleasure to express yourself in. But most of the things I know about creating good software are the same in CF as in .Net and Ruby and Scala and Javascript. And, yes, even in PHP (though it's been awhile since I done any PHP). In my opinion, CF happens to allow me to do a lot of the good stuff in less code than I'd use in most other languages and to do so in a way that makes me feel comfortable. CF may, or may not, be dying a slow death, but as some one who codes and hires in other languages, I can tell you that having the community talking about how to write better, more maintainable, testable, extensible code will never be one of those reasons. Cheers, Judah On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote: On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: Wait.. does that mean that CF is undead? And part of the impending zombie Apocalypse? Sweet! CF is dying - no matter what the usual suspects say. The sad part is that CF is dying because potential newcomers to the language do not have a thriving community with support for bebinner's issues. Most of the material for beginners is outdate, abandoned or just plain old/ugly. CFLib has been semi-dead (even Ray Camden wrote yesterday how behind he is on queue). Ben Forta's site is despicably ugly - why won't Adobe pay a bit of money to give the man a nice site The current CF talk is about OOP and complicated stuff that 99% of the users don't need or understand. The experts have gone too hard core, scaring away people who could embrace Coldfusion's greatest asset: getting the basics quickly. That's what 99% of sites need: a little procedural code to get the website going without problems. I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a slow death and there is absolutely no reason why a person entering the web programming arena should go with Coldfusion instead of PHP, for example. I write these words with pain, because I love CF, but the truth is the truth. Now I must go back to finishing my Begineer PHP book (shame on me!). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348598 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I didn't have work, I'd have more time for CFLib. To me, this is a good problem to have. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote: I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is dying a very slow death: why are you the one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest of the community these days? How come nobody is posting new examples, simple tutorials that would show potential new users how nice and easy Coldfusion is? The signs are everywhere: this list has very little new blood. The few coldfusion blogs that are actually popular mostly deal with stuff way beyong beginning or itermediate level. That does nothing to promote Coldfusion, because the ones who can see the value in those discussions are long-time CF converts. It's preaching to the choir. Now, I'm not attacking anyone - it is all Adobe's fault for not allocating enough resources to a technology/product the derive financial benefit from. Finally, I think this state of denial does not benefit anyone; it would be much better if the powerful voices in the community acknowledged that more needs to be done to give Coldfusion the place it deserves. Attacking the messenger is not going to get much done. That's my opinion and I hope it can be respected the way I respect those who disagree with it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348599 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I think you'll find that all of the powerful voices in CF have been begging Adobe to do more for years. I'd agree with you though about Ray, Ben, and a few others. They're so prolific that it's all too easy to let them shoulder the burden of preaching that CF stuff. I could ask though, do you blog about ColdFusion? :D andy -Original Message- From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:ir...@pixel69.com] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:33 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I didn't have work, I'd have more time for CFLib. To me, this is a good problem to have. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote: I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is dying a very slow death: why are you the one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest of the community these days? How come nobody is posting new examples, simple tutorials that would show potential new users how nice and easy Coldfusion is? The signs are everywhere: this list has very little new blood. The few coldfusion blogs that are actually popular mostly deal with stuff way beyong beginning or itermediate level. That does nothing to promote Coldfusion, because the ones who can see the value in those discussions are long-time CF converts. It's preaching to the choir. Now, I'm not attacking anyone - it is all Adobe's fault for not allocating enough resources to a technology/product the derive financial benefit from. Finally, I think this state of denial does not benefit anyone; it would be much better if the powerful voices in the community acknowledged that more needs to be done to give Coldfusion the place it deserves. Attacking the messenger is not going to get much done. That's my opinion and I hope it can be respected the way I respect those who disagree with it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348600 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
To give a littler perspective, Irvin, I'm hiring developers currently in one language and working on learning a couple others myself. [...] Cheers, Judah On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote: The reason Coldfusion is dying a slow death has nothing to do with Coldfusion itself or its capabilities (I'm a convert, remember). Coldfusion is fine. The problem is one of perception: the overwhelming majority of people entering the programming arena will - rightfully so - go with .Net or PHP instead of Coldfusion. For a few very simple reasons: 1. They are more popular, especially PHP. 2. Because they are more popular, the person feels that employment/income opportunities will be better with those languages. 3. The resources available to beginners are more numerous or simply visible (PHP). 4. For whatever the reason, Coldfusion is perceived as something of a 'has-been' language. And, yes, you would not hire guys without great expertise. But that's not what pays the bills at Adobe. It is the great 'unwashed masses' who will ultimately dictate whether Coldfusion thrives or just continues on life support until the current generation of diehards dies out. It is a reality. 99% of the guys doing PHP are just WordPress hackers - but who cares? I wish Coldfusion - as good as it is - could say the same. That's my perspective. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348601 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Dynamic query help.
Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of using a temporary table to store the dynamic data while it's being edited, that's a great idea. I can't use session variables because it's a grid and would be considered a complex data type. (I was under the impression that session variables can only hold simple data types...am I mistaken on that?) In any case, you have been so helpful Justin, I really appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Thanks Justin, I wasn't aware that a dynamic query was lost once the page was finished loading. Does the same rule apply to structures? Yes, that would apply to all variables unless you store them in persistent memory (e.g. database, session scope, write to a file, etc.). In your case I would use a separate table in the database to store their pending order while it's in progress (you could also store that query object in the session scope if enabled). You can then use AJAX calls from the HTML page when things change to call a ColdFusion template (or CFC method) to update their cart table before finalizing it as an order. ColdFusion can return the updated information via JSON (among other formats) and JavaScript in the HTML can take that and update the HTML display accordingly. Once the order is finalized (i.e. they click submit) then it would post to a ColdFusion page which makes any final adjustments to the cart, finalizes the order, and removes the temporary cart table entries. This can also be good for tracking abandoned checkouts since the data is persistent. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348602 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is dying a very slow death: why are you the one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest of the community these days? CFLib is Ray's responsibility because it's his. It's not Adobe's. It's not the community's. How come nobody is posting new examples, simple tutorials that would show potential new users how nice and easy Coldfusion is? How would those differ from the simple tutorials posted in the past? The fundamentals of CF really haven't changed that much, have they? The signs are everywhere: this list has very little new blood. Well, people see what they want to see. What you see as a negative, I see as a positive - CF is a mature language, and has mature developers. Perhaps people don't post as many simple questions to the list because they've all been asked and answered, and you can easily find said answers with a simple Google search. All that said, I still see lots of beginner and intermediate questions here and on the Adobe forums. The few coldfusion blogs that are actually popular mostly deal with stuff way beyong beginning or itermediate level. That does nothing to promote Coldfusion, because the ones who can see the value in those discussions are long-time CF converts. It's preaching to the choir. I think you misunderstand the purpose of these blogs. For the most part, they don't exist to convert people to CF or promote CF, etc. They exist to scratch an itch of their authors. People blog about the things that interest them. Now, I'm not attacking anyone - it is all Adobe's fault for not allocating enough resources to a technology/product the derive financial benefit from. Every time I see this argument - whether it's Adobe, Macromedia or Allaire not allocating enough resources - I just don't know where to begin. The product is successful. It's a niche product - it's never going to take over the world - but it's successful. Finally, I think this state of denial does not benefit anyone; it would be much better if the powerful voices in the community acknowledged that more needs to be done to give Coldfusion the place it deserves. Attacking the messenger is not going to get much done. That's my opinion and I hope it can be respected the way I respect those who disagree with it. Presumably, the powerful voices in the community have work to do. They use CF because it helps them do that work faster and better. Unless they're actually Adobe employees, they're not product evangelists and they don't get paychecks from Adobe. As for attacking the messenger: the worst I've seen is that you've been called a troll. And your behavior certainly matches that description even if it's not your intent. You posted something that's been regularly posted for the ten or more years I've been on this list. What do you expect the outcome to be? Adobe will start spending more money on marketing, etc, because now you posted this? The powerful voices in the community will finally see the light or something? No. There is no real justification for posting CF is dying on a CF developers list - there is no positive outcome possible, and it has the effect of trolling whether that's what you wanted or not. You want things to be different? Make them different yourself. Write the blog posts you want to see. Be the evangelist you want others to be. Lead by example. But this ... this is no way to accomplish anything other than getting a bunch of people riled up over nothing. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348603 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I think you'll find that all of the powerful voices in CF have been begging Adobe to do more for years. Perhaps 'begging is the wrong approach. Perhap they should tell Adobe - in a clear manner - that Coldfusion is dying from pure neglect. Why won't Adobe PAY some of the more knowledgeable people to spend time creating new tutorials, example, etc.? That's an investment, not a favor or a handout. Why won't Adobe pay to give a great site to one of its great voices, Ben Forta? It is a shame to look at it, to be honest. Perhaps he doesn't care, but the whole thing has the potentital to give CF a very bad - and undeserved - image. I'd agree with you though about Ray, Ben, and a few others. They're so prolific that it's all too easy to let them shoulder the burden of preaching that CF stuff. I could ask though, do you blog about ColdFusion? :D No, I do not blog about ANYTHING. I'm too busy working to pay my bills - and yes, I use and love Coldfusion every day. Massimo Foti recommended I give it a try a few years ago and I produced a web site with a database backend within one week. Not because I was great at coding (I'm not, to this day); I could do it because that's how great CF is - but nobody knows that outside the CF community. And that's a shame. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348604 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
The problem is one of perception: the overwhelming majority of people entering the programming arena will - rightfully so - go with .Net or PHP instead of Coldfusion. For a few very simple reasons: 1. They are more popular, especially PHP. 2. Because they are more popular, the person feels that employment/income opportunities will be better with those languages. 3. The resources available to beginners are more numerous or simply visible (PHP). 4. For whatever the reason, Coldfusion is perceived as something of a 'has-been' language. You seem to think that web development is a winner-take-all market. But it isn't. There's room for plenty of web development languages. CF is one of those languages. Not everyone has to use CF for it to be a successful product. It just has to make money for Adobe. And, yes, you would not hire guys without great expertise. But that's not what pays the bills at Adobe. It is the great 'unwashed masses' who will ultimately dictate whether Coldfusion thrives or just continues on life support until the current generation of diehards dies out. It is a reality. 99% of the guys doing PHP are just WordPress hackers - but who cares? I wish Coldfusion - as good as it is - could say the same. Unless those unwashed masses start buying software licenses, they don't pay the bills at Adobe. CF is not free. PHP is free. CF is sold to companies, and it really isn't marketed to the freelance web developer, etc. Unless those WordPress hackers are willing to cough up the dough for a CF Standard license, they may as well not exist as far as Adobe is concerned. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsit ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348605 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments. I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is dying a very slow death: why are you the one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest of the community these days? CFLib is Ray's responsibility because it's his. It's not Adobe's. It's not the community's. How come nobody is posting new examples, simple tutorials that would show potential new users how nice and easy Coldfusion is? How would those differ from the simple tutorials posted in the past? The fundamentals of CF really haven't changed that much, have they? The signs are everywhere: this list has very little new blood. Well, people see what they want to see. What you see as a negative, I see as a positive - CF is a mature language, and has mature developers. Perhaps people don't post as many simple questions to the list because they've all been asked and answered, and you can easily find said answers with a simple Google search. All that said, I still see lots of beginner and intermediate questions here and on the Adobe forums. The few coldfusion blogs that are actually popular mostly deal with stuff way beyong beginning or itermediate level. That does nothing to promote Coldfusion, because the ones who can see the value in those discussions are long-time CF converts. It's preaching to the choir. I think you misunderstand the purpose of these blogs. For the most part, they don't exist to convert people to CF or promote CF, etc. They exist to scratch an itch of their authors. People blog about the things that interest them. Now, I'm not attacking anyone - it is all Adobe's fault for not allocating enough resources to a technology/product the derive financial benefit from. Every time I see this argument - whether it's Adobe, Macromedia or Allaire not allocating enough resources - I just don't know where to begin. The product is successful. It's a niche product - it's never going to take over the world - but it's successful. Finally, I think this state of denial does not benefit anyone; it would be much better if the powerful voices in the community acknowledged that more needs to be done to give Coldfusion the place it deserves. Attacking the messenger is not going to get much done. That's my opinion and I hope it can be respected the way I respect those who disagree with it. Presumably, the powerful voices in the community have work to do. They use CF because it helps them do that work faster and better. Unless they're actually Adobe employees, they're not product evangelists and they don't get paychecks from Adobe. As for attacking the messenger: the worst I've seen is that you've been called a troll. And your behavior certainly matches that description even if it's not your intent. You posted something that's been regularly posted for the ten or more years I've been on this list. What do you expect the outcome to be? Adobe will start spending more money on marketing, etc, because now you posted this? The powerful voices in the community will finally see the light or something? No. There is no real justification for posting CF is dying on a CF developers list - there is no positive outcome possible, and it has the effect of trolling whether that's what you wanted or not. You want things to be different? Make them different yourself. Write the blog posts you want to see. Be the evangelist you want others to be. Lead by example. But this ... this is no way to accomplish anything other than getting a bunch of people riled up over nothing. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348606 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Why won't Adobe PAY ... No, I do not blog about ANYTHING. I'm too busy working to pay my bills - and yes, I use and love Coldfusion every day. It's very easy to tell other people how they should spend their money, isn't it? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348607 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments. That's one hell of a rebuttal. Let's reconvene on this ten years from now, ok? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348608 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
On 11/11/2011 8:36 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I didn't have work, I'd have more time for CFLib. To me, this is a good problem to have. and so are his part-time helper elves. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348609 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Dynamic query help.
Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of using a temporary table to store the dynamic data while it's being edited, that's a great idea. I can't use session variables because it's a grid and would be considered a complex data type. (I was under the impression that session variables can only hold simple data types...am I mistaken on that?) Session variables can hold any CF data types, not just simple ones. That said, you might still be better served using a temporary table, if you think the process is fairly complicated. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348610 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote: The reason Coldfusion is dying a slow death has nothing to do with Coldfusion itself or its capabilities (I'm a convert, remember). Coldfusion is fine. The problem is one of perception: the overwhelming majority of people entering the programming arena will - rightfully so - go with .Net or PHP instead of Coldfusion. For a few very simple reasons: 1. They are more popular, especially PHP. 2. Because they are more popular, the person feels that employment/income opportunities will be better with those languages. 3. The resources available to beginners are more numerous or simply visible (PHP). 4. For whatever the reason, Coldfusion is perceived as something of a 'has-been' language. And, yes, you would not hire guys without great expertise. But that's not what pays the bills at Adobe. It is the great 'unwashed masses' who will ultimately dictate whether Coldfusion thrives or just continues on life support until the current generation of diehards dies out. It is a reality. 99% of the guys doing PHP are just WordPress hackers - but who cares? I wish Coldfusion - as good as it is - could say the same. That's my perspective. I don't know as much about the PHP world these days as I do .Net land, but I can assure you that the CF community runs veritable circles around .Net when it comes to blogs, mailinglists, Twitter, irc channels, etc. It is way easier to learn CF than C#/.Net. The reason that people do go out and learn .Net is that they want a job in that area. So to the extent that .Net has more new people learning it (which I assume is true but do not know), I can almost certainly assure you it is because the jobs are there. As far as I am aware, there has been no major decrease in the number of CF jobs (though I could be wrong). We'd all like to see a push from Adobe that helps market CF to companies around the globe but as it is, CF has a solid market niche that does not seem to be going away anytime soon. If people want to follow the jobs, they will to CF, just like to .Net though in fewer numbers. Then there is the other argument, about zazz and excitement. Quite frankly, PHP is not exciting. It has been around the block for many a year. 99% of the guys doing PHP, as you say, may just be WordPress hackers...which means that they may be eaking out a living but not really producing anything of substance and certainly not rocking the world. There are a number of up and coming languages. Ruby, Scala, server side JS (Node and Backbone), maybe Clojure, sorta-kinda Python. Ruby, Scala and server side JS are doing cool, hip things. They ought to, they are young. That's why I'm also learning them. Some of them will gain more traction or lose some, settle in and be in the place that CF and .Net are in several years. New languages will appear and flourish and find their own niches. I don't know how long you've been working with computers, Irvin, but no language wins. We develop and evolve. The problems we try to solve change. We figure out new ways of tackling old problems. Best practices come and go. Coldfusion is a solid and respected product. It continues to evolve. It won't be around forever, but then again, nothing will be. Continue to explore and learn, if you have jobs that don't need a specific tool, use the ones you love and get the job done quick. Then go out and learn some more and see what options you have for the next job. Theoretically, that's why people hire us, because we learn and think and adapt and figure out how to solve problems. So, with that in mind, put that thinking cap on apply a bit more broad minded look at the world around you and you might get a better appreciation of where you, CF and the big wide world of application development really stands. Cheers, Jud ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348611 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
You seem to think that web development is a winner-take-all market. But it isn't. There's room for plenty of web development languages. CF is one of those languages. Not everyone has to use CF for it to be a successful product. It just has to make money for Adobe. I wish the Pollyanna approach were productive, but it is not. If there are no new adopters of the language, it will die out. As simpe as that. Unless those unwashed masses start buying software licenses, they don't pay the bills at Adobe. CF is not free. PHP is free. CF is sold to companies, and it really isn't marketed to the freelance web developer, etc. Unless those WordPress hackers are willing to cough up the dough for a CF Standard license, they may as well not exist as far as Adobe is concerned. That's not a good strategy as seen by the stagnant CF community. Perhaps if Adobe made CF more attractive (not better - my argument is not against CF or its capabilities), people would feel paying for it was a good idea. I know - I paid for it as a beginner. I'm optimistic that there are many others like me. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348612 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: getPageContext() in onRequestEnd is empty?
I run some metric updating code in onRequestEnd. In certain cases, I want to show a message if the metric update fails. I want to replace what is already in the output buffer. I am trying this in onRequest end: cfset pageContent = getPageContext().getOut().getString() cfset getPageContext().getOut().clearBuffer() cfset pageContent = hello! cfset writeOutput(pageContent) cfset getPageContext().getOut().flush() But the original HTML is still outputted and my message is not. If I dump the getOut() result it is an empty string. I am not using CFFLUSH anywhere, so why would the HTML already by written from the buffer in onRequestEnd? The onRequestEnd event happens, strictly speaking, after your page has been run, so I guess it's possible that the page context used for your page no longer exists. The whole request cycle (onRequestStart, onRequest, onRequestEnd) can be a little tricky for things like this. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348613 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Will some one please pull the plug on the troll bait? It is OT, counter productive an ENTIRELY unprofessional for technical support forum. This is our face to the rest of the world. If you feel the need to squabble, please take it to CF community. G! On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote: Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments. I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is dying a very slow death: why are you the one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest of the community these days? CFLib is Ray's responsibility because it's his. It's not Adobe's. It's not the community's. How come nobody is posting new examples, simple tutorials that would show potential new users how nice and easy Coldfusion is? How would those differ from the simple tutorials posted in the past? The fundamentals of CF really haven't changed that much, have they? The signs are everywhere: this list has very little new blood. Well, people see what they want to see. What you see as a negative, I see as a positive - CF is a mature language, and has mature developers. Perhaps people don't post as many simple questions to the list because they've all been asked and answered, and you can easily find said answers with a simple Google search. All that said, I still see lots of beginner and intermediate questions here and on the Adobe forums. The few coldfusion blogs that are actually popular mostly deal with stuff way beyong beginning or itermediate level. That does nothing to promote Coldfusion, because the ones who can see the value in those discussions are long-time CF converts. It's preaching to the choir. I think you misunderstand the purpose of these blogs. For the most part, they don't exist to convert people to CF or promote CF, etc. They exist to scratch an itch of their authors. People blog about the things that interest them. Now, I'm not attacking anyone - it is all Adobe's fault for not allocating enough resources to a technology/product the derive financial benefit from. Every time I see this argument - whether it's Adobe, Macromedia or Allaire not allocating enough resources - I just don't know where to begin. The product is successful. It's a niche product - it's never going to take over the world - but it's successful. Finally, I think this state of denial does not benefit anyone; it would be much better if the powerful voices in the community acknowledged that more needs to be done to give Coldfusion the place it deserves. Attacking the messenger is not going to get much done. That's my opinion and I hope it can be respected the way I respect those who disagree with it. Presumably, the powerful voices in the community have work to do. They use CF because it helps them do that work faster and better. Unless they're actually Adobe employees, they're not product evangelists and they don't get paychecks from Adobe. As for attacking the messenger: the worst I've seen is that you've been called a troll. And your behavior certainly matches that description even if it's not your intent. You posted something that's been regularly posted for the ten or more years I've been on this list. What do you expect the outcome to be? Adobe will start spending more money on marketing, etc, because now you posted this? The powerful voices in the community will finally see the light or something? No. There is no real justification for posting CF is dying on a CF developers list - there is no positive outcome possible, and it has the effect of trolling whether that's what you wanted or not. You want things to be different? Make them different yourself. Write the blog posts you want to see. Be the evangelist you want others to be. Lead by example. But this ... this is no way to accomplish anything other than getting a bunch of people riled up over nothing. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348614 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: getPageContext() in onRequestEnd is empty?
I had this issue when I mistakenly assumed that anything inside a try would not be output if any error was thrown and we landed in the catch. This is clearly not the case. That's the expected result with exception handling - it doesn't roll back what's already been done, so if you managed to successfully output something before the error occurred, that will be sent to the browser. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348615 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
If you truly believe what you say you would not criticize me because...I'm criticizing others :-) And yes, it is Adobe's responsibility. It is Adobe's product. It's not up to teenagers to promote Nike. Nike has to pay the big names to promote Nike products, so that teenagers buy them. That's how it works in the real world. Yes, it is perfectly legitimate and reasonable to expect Adobe to invest some money promoting Coldfusion. Why not? Why won't Adobe PAY ... No, I do not blog about ANYTHING. I'm too busy working to pay my bills - and yes, I use and love Coldfusion every day. It's very easy to tell other people how they should spend their money, isn't it? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348616 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Your post - which basically amounted to using 10 paragraphs to call me a trool - did not deserve much of an answer. In any case, why 10 years? Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments. That's one hell of a rebuttal. Let's reconvene on this ten years from now, ok? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348617 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
The signs are everywhere: this list has very little new blood. well if he's going to go the anecdotal route, i have many cf people connect to me on FB, twitter G+ that i've never heard of before look to be pretty young (relative to me). to me that suggests some fresh meat er fresh blood is still coming in. As for attacking the messenger: the worst I've seen is that you've been called a troll. And your behavior certainly matches that indeed. were any of the 750 axed from the cf team? no? then i think its time for this week's troll to sit down STFU. or follow dave's advice. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348618 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I wish the Pollyanna approach were productive, but it is not. If there are no new adopters of the language, it will die out. As simpe as that. That is certainly true. However, there are new CF developers all the time. I know, because my company hires people to do CF work. One nice thing about this is, you don't have to hire people with CF experience - if you know PHP or .NET or whatever, you can certainly do CF development. So, I expect things will continue in this vein just as they have in the past. I wouldn't characterize this as a Pollyanna approach, just an observation made after reading the same arguments you're making EVERY DAMN YEAR ON THIS LIST FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS. At this rate, I expect that your kids will be making the same argument to Ray's kids some day. That's not a good strategy as seen by the stagnant CF community. Perhaps if Adobe made CF more attractive (not better - my argument is not against CF or its capabilities), people would feel paying for it was a good idea. I know - I paid for it as a beginner. I'm optimistic that there are many others like me. Adobe will do what they will do. I don't really have any control over that, do you? Unless you're a secret majority shareholder, I'm guessing the answer is no. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348619 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I, for one, learned to get off Dave's lawn years ago :) Btw, Dave, if I haven't mentioned it recently, thank you for all you do for the community and I definitely owe you a beverage of your choice if we happen to find ourselves in the same part of the country at the same time one of these days. Cheers, Judah On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I wish the Pollyanna approach were productive, but it is not. If there are no new adopters of the language, it will die out. As simpe as that. That is certainly true. However, there are new CF developers all the time. I know, because my company hires people to do CF work. One nice thing about this is, you don't have to hire people with CF experience - if you know PHP or .NET or whatever, you can certainly do CF development. So, I expect things will continue in this vein just as they have in the past. I wouldn't characterize this as a Pollyanna approach, just an observation made after reading the same arguments you're making EVERY DAMN YEAR ON THIS LIST FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS. At this rate, I expect that your kids will be making the same argument to Ray's kids some day. That's not a good strategy as seen by the stagnant CF community. Perhaps if Adobe made CF more attractive (not better - my argument is not against CF or its capabilities), people would feel paying for it was a good idea. I know - I paid for it as a beginner. I'm optimistic that there are many others like me. Adobe will do what they will do. I don't really have any control over that, do you? Unless you're a secret majority shareholder, I'm guessing the answer is no. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348620 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
And yes, it is Adobe's responsibility. It is Adobe's product. It's not up to teenagers to promote Nike. Nike has to pay the big names to promote Nike products, so that teenagers buy them. That's how it works in the real world. Yes, it is perfectly legitimate and reasonable to expect Adobe to invest some money promoting Coldfusion. Why not? Adobe's sole responsibility is to maximize profit for their shareholders. CF makes money for Adobe, and they've decided that the marketing maximizes the profit they make from CF. If they thought they could make more from CF by spending more on marketing (but less than they'd recoup from increased CF sales) they'd spend more on marketing. It's as simple as that. That's how it works in the real world. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348621 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I don't know how long you've been working with computers, Irvin, but no language wins. We develop and evolve. The problems we try to solve change. We figure out new ways of tackling old problems. Best practices come and go. I never used the word wins. That's your perception. And no, no language ever 'wins', but some DO die out, and that more like the argument that is often made about CF. Coldfusion is a solid and respected product. It continues to evolve. It won't be around forever, but then again, nothing will be. Continue to explore and learn, if you have jobs that don't need a specific tool, use the ones you love and get the job done quick. Then go out and learn some more and see what options you have for the next job. Luckily for me, I have a very stable working environment. Theoretically, that's why people hire us, because we learn and think and adapt and figure out how to solve problems. So, with that in mind, put that thinking cap on apply a bit more broad minded look at the world around you and you might get a better appreciation of where you, CF and the big wide world of application development really stands. No amount of veiled attacks will make my argument any less compelling - but I guess that's the only resource you have, so you have to use it. I fully expected the personal attacks, but it's ok. It's your opinion and I respect it :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348622 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Adobe will do what they will do. I don't really have any control over that, do you? Unless you're a secret majority shareholder, I'm guessing the answer is no. I agree - we do not have any control over what Adobe does. But that doesn't mean we can't have a little fun expressing and debating our opinions, does it? I'm not on a crusade against Adobe - this is just an interesting conversation to have for a bit. By the time Pacquiao destroys JM Marquez tomorrow night it will be forgotten :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348623 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Your post - which basically amounted to using 10 paragraphs to call me a trool - did not deserve much of an answer. I would never call you a trool. Because I have a spell-checker. Perhaps I'm being ungenerous, but that kind of response from you indicates to me that you don't take this seriously enough to engage your brain cells and actually read what was written. Which, you know, kind of makes you look like a trool after all, if you know what I mean. Anyway, to give you the benefit of the doubt, here's an executive summary of what I wrote, paragraph by paragraph. 1. CFLib belongs to Ray. 2. Why are new tutorials needed, since CF's basic functionality hasn't changed significantly? 3. There are plenty of beginner and intermediate questions on the list. 4. People blog about their interests, not solely for promotional reasons. 5. CF is a successful product. 6. The CF community is not composed solely of Adobe employees. 7. Your behavior looks like trolling, even if you're not a troll. 8. If you want more evangelism, be an evangelist. So, out of those, there's one paragraph that mentions trolling, and states you may well not be a troll. Given your apparent level of reading comprehension, you might want to read these things more slowly and carefully. In any case, why 10 years? Because people have been posting this crap here for ten years already. They were posting it when CF was called Allaire Cold Fusion. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348624 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote: I never used the word wins. That's your perception. And no, no language ever 'wins', but some DO die out, and that more like the argument that is often made about CF. Every language dies out. It is just a matter of time. Things change and morph. C and Perl were the most widely used Web dev languages when I started. Both are still around but neither is used much for web development. Others have stayed web languages but become even more niche. My first web language (other than HTML) was Lasso. Good chance you've never even heard of it, but if you were into Macs and FileMaker Pro in 1995, you'd have know it. And you know what? It is actually still in active development and being sold. And there are developers. And CF looks like a juggernaut comparison. I think you just lack perspective. Coldfusion is a solid and respected product. It continues to evolve. It won't be around forever, but then again, nothing will be. Continue to explore and learn, if you have jobs that don't need a specific tool, use the ones you love and get the job done quick. Then go out and learn some more and see what options you have for the next job. Luckily for me, I have a very stable working environment. Good for you. You should still go out and learn new languages and paradigms and environments. It is good for your soul and helps ward off old age. Theoretically, that's why people hire us, because we learn and think and adapt and figure out how to solve problems. So, with that in mind, put that thinking cap on apply a bit more broad minded look at the world around you and you might get a better appreciation of where you, CF and the big wide world of application development really stands. No amount of veiled attacks will make my argument any less compelling - but I guess that's the only resource you have, so you have to use it. I fully expected the personal attacks, but it's ok. It's your opinion and I respect it :-) Well, it wasn't a veiled attack. It wasn't personal. It was a discussion about software development, the evolution of computers and languages and how to deal with a dynamic, growing profession. But now that you put it your way, yeah, I agree that I think you're a jerk. Cheers, Juda ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I never used the word wins. That's your perception. And no, no language ever 'wins', but some DO die out, and that more like the argument that is often made about CF. You did, however, state that CF didn't have the position it deserved. What does that mean, outside the context of winners and losers? How would you expect people to interpret what you wrote to mean something else? Theoretically, that's why people hire us, because we learn and think and adapt and figure out how to solve problems. So, with that in mind, put that thinking cap on apply a bit more broad minded look at the world around you and you might get a better appreciation of where you, CF and the big wide world of application development really stands. No amount of veiled attacks will make my argument any less compelling - but I guess that's the only resource you have, so you have to use it. I fully expected the personal attacks, but it's ok. It's your opinion and I respect it :-) But that's not even an attack! It's just good advice! It's the same thing I'd tell anyone working with CF! Learning how other languages work makes you a better developer, even if you're going to just use CF most or all of the time. Also, for some reason, people seem to think that emoticons excuse bad behavior. They really don't, though. You really need to learn how to read. Reading is Fundamental. You've repeatedly demonstrated an inability to comprehend what people have written in this thread. Feel free to interpret that as a (not-veiled) personal attack. I won't bother with the smiley. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348626 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: But that's not even an attack! It's just good advice! It's the same thing I'd tell anyone working with CF! Learning how other languages work makes you a better developer, even if you're going to just use CF most or all of the time. And to reinforce what Dave just said...I stay active on cf-talk, the ColdBox list and the Railo list and I'm not even a CF dev by and large right now. Hell, I'm not even a developer for the most part, I'm managing a .Net engineering team. You know why I keep up on these lists and try to answer questions and read the threads? Because there are smart people that I can learn from. And new people that I can help. And when I read about Gems in a Ruby discussion, it makes me realize that I can use NuGet to do some cool things on our .Net projects. And when I look at how the ColdBox project is using environmental overrides and AOP in their projects, I realize that I can do some similar things with Unity or AutoFac in my .Net MVC stuff. And as I see the Akka project in Scala, I think about how cool it would be use to the Actor/Producer pattern in a CF framework and how it could be a really nifty open source project. Instead of lamenting the death of the ColdFusion, get out there and learn some other languages and bring the best of it back. And then go take the best of CF and spread the ideas to other languages. If you like being a programmer, stop bitching and go out there and do cool stuff, damn it. Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348627 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
Btw, Dave, if I haven't mentioned it recently, thank you for all you do for the community and I definitely owe you a beverage of your choice if we happen to find ourselves in the same part of the country at the same time one of these days. You're no slouch yourself, so we can each buy the other a beer. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348628 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I would never call you a trool. Because I have a spell-checker. Childish. Perhaps I'm being ungenerous, but that kind of response from you indicates to me that you don't take this seriously enough to engage your brain cells and actually read what was written. More childish attack. Which, you know, kind of makes you look like a trool after all, if you know what I mean. Even more childish. Anyway, to give you the benefit of the doubt, here's an executive summary of what I wrote, paragraph by paragraph. 1. CFLib belongs to Ray. That doesn't mean he can't get help from the *assumed* CF community. He is alone because the small community does not have new blood. New blood carries the torch and keeps things moving. The 'old-timers' are too busy discussing OOP concepts -which is their right. The problem is that the lack on new blood will eventually kill CF - and that's the simple point I make. 2. Why are new tutorials needed, since CF's basic functionality hasn't changed significantly? A cursory glance at how things stand today will show any objective observer that a lot of those resources are obsolete, in need of re-vamping (lots of new features have been introduced) or were deleted a long time ago. 3. There are plenty of beginner and intermediate questions on the list. But how many lists are there? And how many questions in this list? In fact, it could be argued that this list is perfect example of a stagnant community. 4. People blog about their interests, not solely for promotional reasons. Once again, I'm not holding the small CF community responsible for anything. Strawman argument. 5. CF is a successful product. That doesn't mean it is not dying slowly. Strawman argument. 6. The CF community is not composed solely of Adobe employees. You love your straw man, don't you? 7. Your behavior looks like trolling, even if you're not a troll. More childish stuff. 8. If you want more evangelism, be an evangelist. Strawman argument. I never said I wanted more 'evangelism. So, out of those, there's one paragraph that mentions trolling, and states you may well not be a troll. Given your apparent level of reading comprehension, you might want to read these things more slowly and carefully. More childish, dishonest attack - but it seems the norm with you. In any case, why 10 years? Because people have been posting this crap here for ten years already. They were posting it when CF was called Allaire Cold Fusion. The way things are going, the ten years may not be necessary. But only time will tell. Hope you're right, though. I hope Coldfusion remains a valid option for many years to come. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348629 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
But now that you put it your way, yeah, I agree that I think you're a jerk. Cheers, Juda Don't get so angry. My opinion should not be that important to you. ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348630 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Quitting the list
Just a brief note to announce that I'm quitting the list immediately. My mail box has received quite a bit of truly nasty stuff as a result of my debate (with Dave Watts, mostly) over CF's future. There is no need for this type of unprofessional behavior, so I'd rather quit - even though I have enjoyed being a member for several years. It should be mentioned that Dave Watts is NOT one of the people sending the emails. Good luck, everyone. No hard feelings. Life goes on. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348631 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quitting the list
Good luck, God speed Irvin. So long and thanks for all the Flsh. Cheers, Judah On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote: Just a brief note to announce that I'm quitting the list immediately. My mail box has received quite a bit of truly nasty stuff as a result of my debate (with Dave Watts, mostly) over CF's future. There is no need for this type of unprofessional behavior, so I'd rather quit - even though I have enjoyed being a member for several years. It should be mentioned that Dave Watts is NOT one of the people sending the emails. Good luck, everyone. No hard feelings. Life goes on. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348632 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
1. CFLib belongs to Ray. That doesn't mean he can't get help from the *assumed* CF community. He is alone because the small community does not have new blood. New blood carries the torch and keeps things moving. The 'old-timers' are too busy discussing OOP concepts -which is their right. The problem is that the lack on new blood will eventually kill CF - and that's the simple point I make. Perhaps he's alone because he didn't ask anyone to help him. Did you volunteer to help him? I think Judah did in this very thread, so maybe the queue will move a bit faster. 2. Why are new tutorials needed, since CF's basic functionality hasn't changed significantly? A cursory glance at how things stand today will show any objective observer that a lot of those resources are obsolete, in need of re-vamping (lots of new features have been introduced) or were deleted a long time ago. ... and a lot aren't. But that's true for any programming language. So, specifically, which features do you think should have new tutorials written? 3. There are plenty of beginner and intermediate questions on the list. But how many lists are there? And how many questions in this list? In fact, it could be argued that this list is perfect example of a stagnant community. How many lists do there have to be? How many questions do there have to be? The CF list is fairly high-traffic compared to many of the other lists I'm on. You can argue that the list is a perfect example of whatever you like, I suppose, but you don't bring any metrics to the table, so why should your arguments be taken seriously? In any case, the Adobe forums also have pretty high traffic. 4. People blog about their interests, not solely for promotional reasons. Once again, I'm not holding the small CF community responsible for anything. Strawman argument. You complained that there aren't enough blog posts. Where do you expect them to come from? 5. CF is a successful product. That doesn't mean it is not dying slowly. Strawman argument. The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. - John Maynard Keynes Of course, CF is dying slowly. That is the fate of all programming languages. The only important question is, is it dying faster than it should? You've provided no evidence that it is, just your gut feeling that there isn't enough new blood. The onus is on you to prove your point. Also, you seem to misunderstand what a straw man argument actually is. Your position is that CF is dying. If CF product sales go down, that would actually be an indicator that CF is doing worse than it was. If CF continues to sell as well as it's been selling, that is evidence - not conclusive evidence, but evidence nonetheless - that CF is not dying. 6. The CF community is not composed solely of Adobe employees. You love your straw man, don't you? I hate stupidity. Some day I'll learn that it can't be beaten, only ignored, but today is not that day apparently. 8. If you want more evangelism, be an evangelist. Strawman argument. I never said I wanted more 'evangelism. Your definition of evangelism must be spectacularly narrow, if it excludes tutorials, blog posts, Adobe marketing, etc. Also, it seems you have an unnatural attachment to the word strawman. So, out of those, there's one paragraph that mentions trolling, and states you may well not be a troll. Given your apparent level of reading comprehension, you might want to read these things more slowly and carefully. More childish, dishonest attack - but it seems the norm with you. Childish? Maybe so. Dishonest? How so? Was I wrong about the number of paragraphs that mentioned you being a troll? Did that paragraph explicitly state that you are a troll? Because those are really the only two statements in the above paragraph that can be assigned a truth value. So, which one was wrong? In any case, why 10 years? Because people have been posting this crap here for ten years already. They were posting it when CF was called Allaire Cold Fusion. The way things are going, the ten years may not be necessary. But only time will tell. Hope you're right, though. I hope Coldfusion remains a valid option for many years to come. Clearly, your contribution tonight was the best way you could help CF remain a valid option, I'm sure. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348633 Subscription:
Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
I love you both and am forever grateful for all you do. I'll send chocolates. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Btw, Dave, if I haven't mentioned it recently, thank you for all you do for the community and I definitely owe you a beverage of your choice if we happen to find ourselves in the same part of the country at the same time one of these days. You're no slouch yourself, so we can each buy the other a beer. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348634 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
