Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Sounds like you need Linux! On 3/17/13 8:41 PM, Dave Long wrote: I want to own the machine, not have the machine own me. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355062 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: Cameron, thanks anyway. I want to own the machine, not have the machine own me. Yeah, I'm not one to sell you on Mac, just interesting that no-one brought it up. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355063 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
On 3/18/2013 2:02 AM, .jonah wrote: Sounds like you need Linux! On 3/17/13 8:41 PM, Dave Long wrote: I want to own the machine, not have the machine own me. One thing you could do is to upgrade to more modern machine, swap in a SSD, and install Linux and your development environment. That way, you can always pop in the original HD if you weren't happy with the setup. -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek Google+: https://plus.google.com/117357905892731200369 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355064 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
I don't understand the statement of a Mac owning me. I was a windows user since it first came out and a DOS user before then. In switched to a Mac about a year ago and I love it. I have CF10 running with apache, MySQL and php all working great. Using Adobe creative cloud for dev and I have no complaints. Once you get used to working in the terminal macs are easy to use and my machine in no way owns me. Just saying. And for the occasional instance where I HAVE to use windows, I have windows 8 running with bootcamp. No complaints and Windows 8 screams on the Mac. Having 8 gigs of RAM helps too. Bruce Sent from my iPhone 4S. On Mar 18, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: Cameron, thanks anyway. I want to own the machine, not have the machine own me. Yeah, I'm not one to sell you on Mac, just interesting that no-one brought it up. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355065 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
+ 1 for this. There are very few things I even need my Windows VM for (at the moment, I use it for testing installers ) . Not sure how a mac would own you, I would guess in the same way a windows machine would too? You don't need to know the terminal but it is damn awesome once you start using it a lot more. Back to the original question, I would say use Sublime Text 2 and first thing to do is install package manager. Also, here are a few videos that might help you get started with Sublime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ-bgcJ6fQo Hope that helps! Mark Drew On 18 Mar 2013, at 13:04, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand the statement of a Mac owning me. I was a windows user since it first came out and a DOS user before then. In switched to a Mac about a year ago and I love it. I have CF10 running with apache, MySQL and php all working great. Using Adobe creative cloud for dev and I have no complaints. Once you get used to working in the terminal macs are easy to use and my machine in no way owns me. Just saying. And for the occasional instance where I HAVE to use windows, I have windows 8 running with bootcamp. No complaints and Windows 8 screams on the Mac. Having 8 gigs of RAM helps too. Bruce ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355066 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Winston Churchill: A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Get back to work please. ;-) Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:10 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner + 1 for this. There are very few things I even need my Windows VM for (at the moment, I use it for testing installers. ) . Not sure how a mac would own you, I would guess in the same way a windows machine would too? You don't need to know the terminal but it is damn awesome once you start using it a lot more. Back to the original question, I would say use Sublime Text 2 and first thing to do is install package manager. Also, here are a few videos that might help you get started with Sublime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ-bgcJ6fQo Hope that helps! Mark Drew On 18 Mar 2013, at 13:04, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand the statement of a Mac owning me. I was a windows user since it first came out and a DOS user before then. In switched to a Mac about a year ago and I love it. I have CF10 running with apache, MySQL and php all working great. Using Adobe creative cloud for dev and I have no complaints. Once you get used to working in the terminal macs are easy to use and my machine in no way owns me. Just saying. And for the occasional instance where I HAVE to use windows, I have windows 8 running with bootcamp. No complaints and Windows 8 screams on the Mac. Having 8 gigs of RAM helps too. Bruce ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355067 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
I've been using CF for a long time and will be using it until I retire, because I build things people use and they don't particularly care what the technology is behind those things they use. HOWEVER, that is no excuse for Adobe being SO VERY SLACK at promoting their product, providing tutorials for new users to use to get to know CF, providing conferences, etc. Yes, CF *may* still be profitable for Adobe, but it won't take too many more years before that will change as people like myself decide to migrate to Blue Dragon and cut off yet one more customer from Adobe. Too many of those decisions and even hosts will decide CF is not worth providing. I like CF and hope to retire before I have to learn anything else. (I'd rather play softball with my extra time than learn PHP) But, as long as Adobe keeps CF on the market, they should support it like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. The only businesses I know that have a product on the market, yet don't market in every way and to the fullest extent possible, are those who don't understand marketing in today's media, or those who are just milking the cow without feeding it to get whatever money they can for the milk with no more investment in maintaining a healthy thriving cow. They're just willing to get what they can on their way out of the business and let the cow survive on its own as long as it can. I'm not sure, after a decade of watching Adobe, if they're just lazy, ignorant, or going out of business with CF. Any of the above scenarios fits their long-time approach to marketing CF. And I've never heard one rational defense of Adobe and its handling of CF that excuses Adobe lack of attention to CF, from documentation to marketing. (And understand, that I'm a freelancer, and my business success has never once depended on how well Adobe has marketed their product, so I'm like an outsider looking in at those dependent upon Adobe making a name for CF so those of you who work for others can get hired based on the reputation of CF, which ONLY Adobe can create...) Rick -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:p...@sustainablegis.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 12:47 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam On 3/18/2013 10:05 AM, Jenny Gavin-Wear wrote: I take all of your points on board, but it is still frustrating to be trying to sell a product that the manufacturer does not seem particularly interested in selling itself - let alone the business model for the product being wrong in the first place. at face value, kind of an absurd statement. what company in the business of selling stuff, isn't interested in selling stuff? i *know* the cf team is trying cf is still profitable to adobe. but when its not they'll likely drop it i don't find that very worrying. adobe has already dropped what i thought was a pretty good product (flex). but they dropped it in a responsible fashion (into apache's lap, where its ticking along quite nicely--the commit stream people coming out of the woodwork to donate stuff to it makes me feel all warm fuzzy). people have been bemoaning cf's demise for a decade yet its still here. if its around for another decade w/adobe fine, if not, that's fine too. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355068 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
Oh, and Paul, if what I've witnessed of Adobe's efforts at building a rep for Adobe since they bought it from Macromedia is trying, then they will ultimate be a losing team. If the softball players that I coach put so little effort into they're work at becoming more successful on the field, they'd be kicked off the team for lack of commitment to success. Just as I'd already have fired the Adobe marketing team. No excuses... Rick -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:p...@sustainablegis.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 12:47 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam On 3/18/2013 10:05 AM, Jenny Gavin-Wear wrote: I take all of your points on board, but it is still frustrating to be trying to sell a product that the manufacturer does not seem particularly interested in selling itself - let alone the business model for the product being wrong in the first place. at face value, kind of an absurd statement. what company in the business of selling stuff, isn't interested in selling stuff? i *know* the cf team is trying cf is still profitable to adobe. but when its not they'll likely drop it i don't find that very worrying. adobe has already dropped what i thought was a pretty good product (flex). but they dropped it in a responsible fashion (into apache's lap, where its ticking along quite nicely--the commit stream people coming out of the woodwork to donate stuff to it makes me feel all warm fuzzy). people have been bemoaning cf's demise for a decade yet its still here. if its around for another decade w/adobe fine, if not, that's fine too. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355069 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
I've switched to Sublime Text 2. It's been a fine editor. I'd don't like CF assistance with writing code, however it does support syntax highlighting. It's lightweight and I can keep 3, 4, or 5 editors open with various projects at one time with no problem. I work primarily in HTML, CF, CSS3, and jQuery so I LOVE the fact that it lets me have choices about layout of parts of the editor. I use the Grid-4 layout all the time. It's nice to have HTML, CF, jQuery, and CSS3 all on their own screen if I want to. I use dual monitors, so they makes it particularly useful. And it's only $70. You can use it for free, you just have to put up with the Please buy a license popups every 10 saves or so, but it's well worth the $70 and has a LOT of people writing add-ons for it that makes it easy to configure to work in a way that benefits your workflow the most. Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Long [mailto:d...@northgoods.com] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:06 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Curmudgeon painted in a corner I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. My server host is moving to Railo to avoid doubling my fees, so what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355070 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF running out of steam
FWIW, there have been several competitors to CFML that have come out over the years, but they never really became popular, I bet you have not even heard of most of them, they certainly never get mentioned anywhere and most of them have already died, so it shows that CFML isn't doing too bad when you compare it to those. A couple that come to mind are iHTML Lasso ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355071 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: Winston Churchill: A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Well, since the subject of this message was CF code editors, who's changed the subject and who hasn't? :) -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355072 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Overkill, unless you need the ton of features that are built-in. I tried it. It's fine for Matt, I'm sure, but is overkill for me. And it's $199, minimum. -Original Message- From: Matt Quackenbush [mailto:quackfu...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:10 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner Intellij IDEA. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. My server host is moving to Railo to avoid doubling my fees, so what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355073 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
+1 -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:29 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since [...] what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Coming from Homesite, you are likely to enjoy Sublime Text 2. Instal Package Control and then install the ColdFusion package. Decent syntax highlighting and a lot fo goot packages to choose from. It's also very lightweight compared to memory beasts built on top of Eclipse like CFBuilder. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355074 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Ignore the first 4 below and just skip to Sublime Text 2... -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:40 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner Dreamweaver CFBuilder CFEclipse NotePad++ (there is a CFML plugin) Sublime Text 2 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. My server host is moving to Railo to avoid doubling my fees, so what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355075 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF running out of steam
what company in the business of selling stuff, isn't interested in selling stuff? For instance a company who bought the company who baught Macromedia because they where intersted in former Macromedia products like Flash, but not really in other stuff like CF. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355076 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF running out of steam
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: A couple that come to mind are iHTML Oh man that was an interesting one. It replaced ColdFusion (Cold Fusion at the time) as the default bundled app server that came with OReilly's Website Pro. I seem to remember things got nasty with the iHTML creator(s) back in the day on one of the lists. Looks like there is still a website up for it: http://www.ihtml.com/ 2.0 was released in 1996. Today you can sign up on their website to be notified when version 2.1 comes out. Nice. I wonder if it's really still around or just AZW (another zombie website). -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355077 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
You nailed the reason for the demise of those products on the head... you have not even heard of most of them... Speaks to poor marketing. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam FWIW, there have been several competitors to CFML that have come out over the years, but they never really became popular, I bet you have not even heard of most of them, they certainly never get mentioned anywhere and most of them have already died, so it shows that CFML isn't doing too bad when you compare it to those. A couple that come to mind are iHTML Lasso ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355078 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
Funny... look what product is dying fastest for that acquisition. -Original Message- From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com [mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans schneegans@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:30 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam what company in the business of selling stuff, isn't interested in selling stuff? For instance a company who bought the company who baught Macromedia because they where intersted in former Macromedia products like Flash, but not really in other stuff like CF. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355079 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2
Hi Folks Looking at: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2 do either validate web pages (missing td p) etc. do either validate missing links? Thanks Rob ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355080 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2
CFBuilder might (if you write a plugin for it) since that deals with the idea of a site. I haven't seen one for Sublime Text 2 but that is just a matter of time really, it should be fairly easy to write Sincerely Mark Drew On 18 Mar 2013, at 16:45, Rob Voyle robvo...@voyle.com wrote: Hi Folks Looking at: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2 do either validate web pages (missing td p) etc. do either validate missing links? Thanks Rob ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355081 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2
Hi Mark I was thinking more of integration with W3C or some built in html validator I'm not too interested in writing my own. Rob On 18 Mar 2013 at 16:51, Mark Drew wrote: CFBuilder might (if you write a plugin for it) since that deals with the idea of a site. I haven't seen one for Sublime Text 2 but that is just a matter of time really, it should be fairly easy to write Sincerely Mark Drew On 18 Mar 2013, at 16:45, Rob Voyle robvo...@voyle.com wrote: Hi Folks Looking at: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2 do either validate web pages (missing td p) etc. do either validate missing links? Thanks Rob ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355082 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2
I know text mate has this and I know there are some really awesome projects related to this (and CSS and JS for example) and a quick google brought this up: http://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=2262 Remember, Sublime Text is made of plugins, so that is what you will look for things like this Sincerely Mark Drew On 18 Mar 2013, at 17:17, Rob Voyle robvo...@voyle.com wrote: Hi Mark I was thinking more of integration with W3C or some built in html validator I'm not too interested in writing my own. Rob On 18 Mar 2013 at 16:51, Mark Drew wrote: CFBuilder might (if you write a plugin for it) since that deals with the idea of a site. I haven't seen one for Sublime Text 2 but that is just a matter of time really, it should be fairly easy to write Sincerely Mark Drew On 18 Mar 2013, at 16:45, Rob Voyle robvo...@voyle.com wrote: Hi Folks Looking at: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2 do either validate web pages (missing td p) etc. do either validate missing links? Thanks Rob ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355083 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2
Check out the SublimeLinter plugin for Sublime Text 2. It adds html tidy support as well as support for many other languages. https://github.com/SublimeLinter/SublimeLinter On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Rob Voyle robvo...@voyle.com wrote: Hi Mark I was thinking more of integration with W3C or some built in html validator I'm not too interested in writing my own. Rob On 18 Mar 2013 at 16:51, Mark Drew wrote: CFBuilder might (if you write a plugin for it) since that deals with the idea of a site. I haven't seen one for Sublime Text 2 but that is just a matter of time really, it should be fairly easy to write Sincerely Mark Drew On 18 Mar 2013, at 16:45, Rob Voyle robvo...@voyle.com wrote: Hi Folks Looking at: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2 do either validate web pages (missing td p) etc. do either validate missing links? Thanks Rob ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355084 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2
You can do this with Brackets. I wrote an extension to check for HTML validity. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Rodney Enke renk...@gmail.com wrote: Check out the SublimeLinter plugin for Sublime Text 2. It adds html tidy support as well as support for many other languages. https://github.com/SublimeLinter/SublimeLinter On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Rob Voyle robvo...@voyle.com wrote: Hi Mark I was thinking more of integration with W3C or some built in html validator I'm not too interested in writing my own. Rob On 18 Mar 2013 at 16:51, Mark Drew wrote: CFBuilder might (if you write a plugin for it) since that deals with the idea of a site. I haven't seen one for Sublime Text 2 but that is just a matter of time really, it should be fairly easy to write Sincerely Mark Drew On 18 Mar 2013, at 16:45, Rob Voyle robvo...@voyle.com wrote: Hi Folks Looking at: CF Builder 2 or Sublime Test 2 do either validate web pages (missing td p) etc. do either validate missing links? Thanks Rob ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355085 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF running out of steam
For some time now I have thought a rebranding would be rather beneficial. A lot of places I work at the very name Coldfusion seems to be the biggest issue. It definitely is not the cost of the software being an issue and they all buy the Enterprise version because of Oracle. It is much more to do with them having a perception that Coldfusion is an old language. As if it never really has seen much changes over the years. But mention ASP.NETto those same people and they never seem to relate it one bit to Classic ASP. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: My personal opinion is that Adobe needs to rebrand it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355086 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF running out of steam
As someone who has had to make IT purchasing decisions for several large corporations and government agencies over the years, I only hope Abobe never mimics Oracle's marketing strategy. Those folks are sharks, relentless to the point where I banned them from the office at one company. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Aaron Rouse aaron.ro...@gmail.com wrote: For some time now I have thought a rebranding would be rather beneficial. A lot of places I work at the very name Coldfusion seems to be the biggest issue. It definitely is not the cost of the software being an issue and they all buy the Enterprise version because of Oracle. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355087 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException
We have hidden form variable whose value is set to #cgi.remote_address#. For testing security vulnerabilities, add on like hackbar is used to inject a different value for the hidden variable like below. Variable1=%u002e%u002e%u2215%u002e%u002e%variable2= When the form is run using the firefox add on, an error occurs as below. The error message java.lang.IllegalArgumentException is reported as a vulnerability for information leakage. We already have a custom error message but this error does not seem to be handled by it. What would be the best way to handle this? ROOT CAUSE: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException at coldfusion.filter.FormScope.parseName(FormScope.java:400) at coldfusion.filter.FormScope.parseQueryString(FormScope.java:358) at coldfusion.filter.FormScope.parsePostData(FormScope.java:327) at coldfusion.filter.FormScope.fillForm(FormScope.java:277) at coldfusion.filter.FusionContext.SymTab_initForRequest(FusionContext.java:438) at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:33) at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22) at coldfusion.filter.RequestThrottleFilter.invoke(RequestThrottleFilter.java:126) at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:175) at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet.service(BootstrapServlet.java:89) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:86) at coldfusion.monitor.event.MonitoringServletFilter.doFilter(MonitoringServletFilter.java:42) at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapFilter.doFilter(BootstrapFilter.java:46) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:94) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.service(FilterChain.java:101) at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:106) at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42) at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:286) at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:543) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:203) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:428) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66) javax.servlet.ServletException: ROOT CAUSE: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException at coldfusion.filter.FormScope.parseName(FormScope.java:400) at coldfusion.filter.FormScope.parseQueryString(FormScope.java:358) at coldfusion.filter.FormScope.parsePostData(FormScope.java:327) at coldfusion.filter.FormScope.fillForm(FormScope.java:277) at coldfusion.filter.FusionContext.SymTab_initForRequest(FusionContext.java:438) at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:33) at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22) at coldfusion.filter.RequestThrottleFilter.invoke(RequestThrottleFilter.java:126) at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:175) at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet.service(BootstrapServlet.java:89) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:86) at coldfusion.monitor.event.MonitoringServletFilter.doFilter(MonitoringServletFilter.java:42) at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapFilter.doFilter(BootstrapFilter.java:46) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:94) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.service(FilterChain.java:101) at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:106) at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42) at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:286) at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:543) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:203) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:428) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66) at coldfusion.monitor.event.MonitoringServletFilter.doFilter(MonitoringServletFilter.java:70) at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapFilter.doFilter(BootstrapFilter.java:46) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:94) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.service(FilterChain.java:101) at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:106) at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42) at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:286) at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:543) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:203) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:428) at
RE: CF running out of steam
It's better than dead. Great marketing slogan! Have you sent it to Adobe? Lol -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: 18 March 2013 14:19 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam FWIW, there have been several competitors to CFML that have come out over the years, but they never really became popular, I bet you have not even heard of most of them, they certainly never get mentioned anywhere and most of them have already died, so it shows that CFML isn't doing too bad when you compare it to those. A couple that come to mind are iHTML Lasso ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355089 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
Try IBM, or Olivetti . and most others? -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 March 2013 20:32 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam As someone who has had to make IT purchasing decisions for several large corporations and government agencies over the years, I only hope Abobe never mimics Oracle's marketing strategy. Those folks are sharks, relentless to the point where I banned them from the office at one company. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Aaron Rouse aaron.ro...@gmail.com wrote: For some time now I have thought a rebranding would be rather beneficial. A lot of places I work at the very name Coldfusion seems to be the biggest issue. It definitely is not the cost of the software being an issue and they all buy the Enterprise version because of Oracle. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355090 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF running out of steam
Oh, I've dealt with all of them over the years. Oracle is the worst. Akamai is second. I was dealing with one of their staff as a consultant representing my client, and she actually had the temerity to go behind my back directly to the client, which ultimately cost her the deal, because the client was more ethical than she was and called me promptly to let me know what she was doing. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Jenny Gavin-Wear jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk wrote: Try IBM, or Olivetti . and most others? -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 March 2013 20:32 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam As someone who has had to make IT purchasing decisions for several large corporations and government agencies over the years, I only hope Abobe never mimics Oracle's marketing strategy. Those folks are sharks, relentless to the point where I banned them from the office at one company. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355091 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Likely referring to the cost of purchase. Macs are pricy little buggers. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand the statement of a Mac owning me. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355092 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Yeah, to be honest I would not have one had it not been for a client who offered to buy me ANY computer I wanted in exchange for doing a small site for his non-profit. So I went with a MacBook Pro 17 dual quad core processors and 8gb of ram. Sent from my iPhone 4S. On Mar 18, 2013, at 7:22 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Likely referring to the cost of purchase. Macs are pricy little buggers. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand the statement of a Mac owning me. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
That's what Olivetti did to me. Can't mention the clients name, but very well known, and for a 7 figure sum. I went to meet my contact and as I strolled down the corridor I was shocked to see my Olivetti dealership rep. coming towards me. The Olivetti guy was supposed to be supporting our dealership to win the tender, instead of which they tendered directly as a manufacture. Would have been nice to know as I wasted six month on it. Anyhoo .. way OT ... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 March 2013 21:12 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam Oh, I've dealt with all of them over the years. Oracle is the worst. Akamai is second. I was dealing with one of their staff as a consultant representing my client, and she actually had the temerity to go behind my back directly to the client, which ultimately cost her the deal, because the client was more ethical than she was and called me promptly to let me know what she was doing. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 9824 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355094 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
