RE: Bulk email servers...
Kevin, You might want to check out ActivMail, it's not a Mail Server but it handles spooling of email much better than CFMAIL, and allows you to load balance between multiple SMTP servers, so you can send your batch much faster. We have a client who sends out over 3 million emails every day with it (and YES they are opt in!). http://www.cfdev.com/activmail/ + Pete Freitag ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) CTO, CFDEV.COM ColdFusion Developer Resources http://www.cfdev.com/ -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Bulk email servers... Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Bulk email servers...
Almost all big time mailers use LMSTP or Qmail for their MTA. Both MTAs are more than capable of doing millions of messages an hour. -Matt -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Bulk email servers... Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Bulk email servers...
Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Bulk email servers...
qmail On Fri, 31 May 2002, Kevin Langevin wrote: Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Bulk email servers...
This is to everyone on the list, I don't know what the guidelines are for this list concerning responses to items like this. I think as developers, we have an obligation to decide who to help if it's something that might use technology in a harmful way. If this was a bomb squad mail-list, we wouldn't tell people where the best places are to buy items for homemade creation. Not saying what Kevin, in particular, is planning on doing is wrong, but a few million emails overnight doesn't sound like the best intentions to me. I don't think most company's newsletters have user bases of over a million - how big is Macromedia's newsletter user count? I could be wrong, but this brings up my point - how do we know the true intentions of the submitter? You might be thinking, what's the big deal if it's for spraying emails?, well go do a news search on Google concerning the cost of spam for corporationsit's becoming a big concern. I bring this up because I am seeing emails concerning questionable tactics or what may be legit but could be used in a harmful way (i.e. - the thread on accessing a user's a: drive). As a group, do we have a responsibility to ignore technical questions that are borderline suspect? Your thoughts? Thanks, Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Bulk email servers... Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Bulk email servers...
I have to be the lefty on this: He's innocent until proven guilty. What if he's building an e-mail server for the armed forces? Or the AFL-CIO? Both could easily mean that one newsletter would mean millions of e-mails. He didn't say he'd send them EVERY night. Sorry, the defense attorney in me got going for a second... -Original Message- From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bulk email servers... This is to everyone on the list, I don't know what the guidelines are for this list concerning responses to items like this. I think as developers, we have an obligation to decide who to help if it's something that might use technology in a harmful way. If this was a bomb squad mail-list, we wouldn't tell people where the best places are to buy items for homemade creation. Not saying what Kevin, in particular, is planning on doing is wrong, but a few million emails overnight doesn't sound like the best intentions to me. I don't think most company's newsletters have user bases of over a million - how big is Macromedia's newsletter user count? I could be wrong, but this brings up my point - how do we know the true intentions of the submitter? You might be thinking, what's the big deal if it's for spraying emails?, well go do a news search on Google concerning the cost of spam for corporationsit's becoming a big concern. I bring this up because I am seeing emails concerning questionable tactics or what may be legit but could be used in a harmful way (i.e. - the thread on accessing a user's a: drive). As a group, do we have a responsibility to ignore technical questions that are borderline suspect? Your thoughts? Thanks, Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Bulk email servers... Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Bulk email servers...
I absolutely respect your thoughts on this topic, Ryan. There are many lists over 1,000,000 emails on the Internet. I previously worked for eDiets.com, whose opt-in email list is over 15,000,000 names as of about 4 months ago. I'm sure it's significantly larger than that by now. The company I currently work for has assumed a defunct company's opt-in email list through completely legitimate means, and is creating an opt-in mailing to continue to provide similar service to the previous members. We expect a LARGE number of people to remain opted-in, as this company's service is superior to the previous provider, and so the powers that be here wish to find a solution which will handle the volume of member-emails we may need to deal with in the next 12-24 months. While you do not know me, a number of people on the list do, and I assure you that I am an ethical, responsible developer who would not be party to spamming. If I felt that this company was doing anything inappropriate, I wouldn't be working for them. All that aside, I'm glad to see that you feel the obligation to question these practices. The company's current opt-in email list for member newsletters is somewhere around 195,000 right now. With the addition of the new list, that number will likely increased dramatically, and we just want to be prepared for it. Thanks, -Kevin - Original Message - From: Ryan Kime [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: RE: Bulk email servers... This is to everyone on the list, I don't know what the guidelines are for this list concerning responses to items like this. I think as developers, we have an obligation to decide who to help if it's something that might use technology in a harmful way. If this was a bomb squad mail-list, we wouldn't tell people where the best places are to buy items for homemade creation. Not saying what Kevin, in particular, is planning on doing is wrong, but a few million emails overnight doesn't sound like the best intentions to me. I don't think most company's newsletters have user bases of over a million - how big is Macromedia's newsletter user count? I could be wrong, but this brings up my point - how do we know the true intentions of the submitter? You might be thinking, what's the big deal if it's for spraying emails?, well go do a news search on Google concerning the cost of spam for corporationsit's becoming a big concern. I bring this up because I am seeing emails concerning questionable tactics or what may be legit but could be used in a harmful way (i.e. - the thread on accessing a user's a: drive). As a group, do we have a responsibility to ignore technical questions that are borderline suspect? Your thoughts? Thanks, Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Bulk email servers... Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Bulk email servers...
The HoF server sends out about a million messages a day (weekday). __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Bulk email servers...
Listserv is excellent software ;) and i used it before i ever came to edits ;) Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Kevin Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: Bulk email servers... Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Bulk email servers...
I think we should censor knowledge so the masses do not revolt. Keep them in control. On Fri, 31 May 2002, Ryan Kime wrote: This is to everyone on the list, I don't know what the guidelines are for this list concerning responses to items like this. I think as developers, we have an obligation to decide who to help if it's something that might use technology in a harmful way. If this was a bomb squad mail-list, we wouldn't tell people where the best places are to buy items for homemade creation. Not saying what Kevin, in particular, is planning on doing is wrong, but a few million emails overnight doesn't sound like the best intentions to me. I don't think most company's newsletters have user bases of over a million - how big is Macromedia's newsletter user count? I could be wrong, but this brings up my point - how do we know the true intentions of the submitter? You might be thinking, what's the big deal if it's for spraying emails?, well go do a news search on Google concerning the cost of spam for corporationsit's becoming a big concern. I bring this up because I am seeing emails concerning questionable tactics or what may be legit but could be used in a harmful way (i.e. - the thread on accessing a user's a: drive). As a group, do we have a responsibility to ignore technical questions that are borderline suspect? Your thoughts? Thanks, Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Bulk email servers... Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Bulk email servers...
:) cause you give the person the benefit of the doubt ;) Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Ryan Kime [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: RE: Bulk email servers... This is to everyone on the list, I don't know what the guidelines are for this list concerning responses to items like this. I think as developers, we have an obligation to decide who to help if it's something that might use technology in a harmful way. If this was a bomb squad mail-list, we wouldn't tell people where the best places are to buy items for homemade creation. Not saying what Kevin, in particular, is planning on doing is wrong, but a few million emails overnight doesn't sound like the best intentions to me. I don't think most company's newsletters have user bases of over a million - how big is Macromedia's newsletter user count? I could be wrong, but this brings up my point - how do we know the true intentions of the submitter? You might be thinking, what's the big deal if it's for spraying emails?, well go do a news search on Google concerning the cost of spam for corporationsit's becoming a big concern. I bring this up because I am seeing emails concerning questionable tactics or what may be legit but could be used in a harmful way (i.e. - the thread on accessing a user's a: drive). As a group, do we have a responsibility to ignore technical questions that are borderline suspect? Your thoughts? Thanks, Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Bulk email servers... Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Bulk email servers...
someone once wrote a way here how send emails directly to MS SMTP service using cffile instead of cfmail. using this method you could easily send out a million plus emails a day. best of all ms smtp service is free with windows. Personally I would take the technique that he uses and write a vb app that dumps the emails. I wouldn't want to have my CF service doing something that a simple app could do. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 12:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bulk email servers... The HoF server sends out about a million messages a day (weekday). __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Bulk email servers...
Good stuff, Ian. Say you had knowledge of a bulk email server that could handle 50 million emails a day; do you freely give the info out to the requester with the limited info given??? (it could be for the AFL-CIO/Red Cross/etc, you're right) So if you ignore his request (all other things aside) and you have information that could help, you have basically decided his intentions might not be the best. But by taking the stance of innocent until proven guilty, you are morally obligated to send him the information, otherwise you have convicted him and trampled your own beliefs. :) -Original Message- From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bulk email servers... I have to be the lefty on this: He's innocent until proven guilty. What if he's building an e-mail server for the armed forces? Or the AFL-CIO? Both could easily mean that one newsletter would mean millions of e-mails. He didn't say he'd send them EVERY night. Sorry, the defense attorney in me got going for a second... __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Bulk email servers...
Don't know who did that. I came up with the method of using CFFILE to write a mail message to the CF mail spool for sending but your talking a bit different. Now I just use iMS and not worry. At 12:16 PM 5/31/02, you wrote: someone once wrote a way here how send emails directly to MS SMTP service using cffile instead of cfmail. using this method you could easily send out a million plus emails a day. best of all ms smtp service is free with windows. Personally I would take the technique that he uses and write a vb app that dumps the emails. I wouldn't want to have my CF service doing something that a simple app could do. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 12:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bulk email servers... The HoF server sends out about a million messages a day (weekday). __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Bulk email servers...
:) if the guys a spammer hes'll find software somehow you Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Ryan Kime [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: RE: Bulk email servers... Good stuff, Ian. Say you had knowledge of a bulk email server that could handle 50 million emails a day; do you freely give the info out to the requester with the limited info given??? (it could be for the AFL-CIO/Red Cross/etc, you're right) So if you ignore his request (all other things aside) and you have information that could help, you have basically decided his intentions might not be the best. But by taking the stance of innocent until proven guilty, you are morally obligated to send him the information, otherwise you have convicted him and trampled your own beliefs. :) -Original Message- From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bulk email servers... I have to be the lefty on this: He's innocent until proven guilty. What if he's building an e-mail server for the armed forces? Or the AFL-CIO? Both could easily mean that one newsletter would mean millions of e-mails. He didn't say he'd send them EVERY night. Sorry, the defense attorney in me got going for a second... __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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I'll let this one drop before we're all pulling out dog eared copies of The Republic. -Original Message- From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bulk email servers... Good stuff, Ian. Say you had knowledge of a bulk email server that could handle 50 million emails a day; do you freely give the info out to the requester with the limited info given??? (it could be for the AFL-CIO/Red Cross/etc, you're right) So if you ignore his request (all other things aside) and you have information that could help, you have basically decided his intentions might not be the best. But by taking the stance of innocent until proven guilty, you are morally obligated to send him the information, otherwise you have convicted him and trampled your own beliefs. :) -Original Message- From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bulk email servers... I have to be the lefty on this: He's innocent until proven guilty. What if he's building an e-mail server for the armed forces? Or the AFL-CIO? Both could easily mean that one newsletter would mean millions of e-mails. He didn't say he'd send them EVERY night. Sorry, the defense attorney in me got going for a second... __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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I see where you're going, but I don't think it's up to us to decide what the right use for something is... Search the archives for past discussions on how can I decrypt encrypted cold fusion pages for the list's stance on moral issues. As for Kevin, he's a fine upstanding citizen who actually does have experience with million-subscriber email newsletters. This is to everyone on the list, I don't know what the guidelines are for this list concerning responses to items like this. I think as developers, we have an obligation to decide who to help if it's something that might use technology in a harmful way. If this was a bomb squad mail-list, we wouldn't tell people where the best places are to buy items for homemade creation. Not saying what Kevin, in particular, is planning on doing is wrong, but a few million emails overnight doesn't sound like the best intentions to me. I don't think most company's newsletters have user bases of over a million - how big is Macromedia's newsletter user count? I could be wrong, but this brings up my point - how do we know the true intentions of the submitter? You might be thinking, what's the big deal if it's for spraying emails?, well go do a news search on Google concerning the cost of spam for corporationsit's becoming a big concern. I bring this up because I am seeing emails concerning questionable tactics or what may be legit but could be used in a harmful way (i.e. - the thread on accessing a user's a: drive). As a group, do we have a responsibility to ignore technical questions that are borderline suspect? Your thoughts? Thanks, Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Bulk email servers... Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Bulk email servers...
someone once wrote a way here how send emails directly to MS SMTP service using cffile instead of cfmail. using this method you could easily send out a million plus emails a day. best of all ms smtp service is free with windows. but it doesn't do automatic bounce management like a real MLM, and too bad addresses, even on opt-in list they can be 4 or 5% or more, will really kill the listserver throughput. Len www.menandmice.com/DNS-training : DNS Training BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND for NT4 W2K IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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As for Kevin, he's a fine upstanding citizen who actually does have experience with million- subscriber email newsletters. I'm sure he is, I just saw the topic as an opportunity to voice my concern. It seems sometimes we are in a race to beat everyone else with an answer, I wanted people to stop and think on subjects like this one. Have a good weekend. P.S. Ian, I couldn't find my box of 'ol college stuff with The Republic in it. Oh well. :) -Original Message- From: Tony Schreiber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 12:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bulk email servers... I see where you're going, but I don't think it's up to us to decide what the right use for something is... Search the archives for past discussions on how can I decrypt encrypted cold fusion pages for the list's stance on moral issues. As for Kevin, he's a fine upstanding citizen who actually does have experience with million-subscriber email newsletters. This is to everyone on the list, I don't know what the guidelines are for this list concerning responses to items like this. I think as developers, we have an obligation to decide who to help if it's something that might use technology in a harmful way. If this was a bomb squad mail-list, we wouldn't tell people where the best places are to buy items for homemade creation. Not saying what Kevin, in particular, is planning on doing is wrong, but a few million emails overnight doesn't sound like the best intentions to me. I don't think most company's newsletters have user bases of over a million - how big is Macromedia's newsletter user count? I could be wrong, but this brings up my point - how do we know the true intentions of the submitter? You might be thinking, what's the big deal if it's for spraying emails?, well go do a news search on Google concerning the cost of spam for corporationsit's becoming a big concern. I bring this up because I am seeing emails concerning questionable tactics or what may be legit but could be used in a harmful way (i.e. - the thread on accessing a user's a: drive). As a group, do we have a responsibility to ignore technical questions that are borderline suspect? Your thoughts? Thanks, Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Bulk email servers... Hi all- Just wanted to see if I could get some testimonials for bulk email servers. I'm looking for something that won't spit out its own skull when trying to send out a few million emails overnight, and hopefully something with decent list scrubbing capabilities. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? We're not looking to outsource the mailserver functions at all. We're looking to set up a dedicated email server to handle this stuff. Mostly newsletter stuff. Thanks... -Kevin __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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particular, is planning on doing is wrong, but a few million emails overnight doesn't sound like the best intentions to me. I don't think most company's newsletters have user bases of over a million - how big is Macromedia's newsletter user count? I could be wrong, but this brings up my You might be surprised at how many legit e-mails some sites go through. FreeClub.com had a subscriber base of over 2 million for their newsletter when I was working on their site 18 months ago. Who knows how high it is now... Whitespeed.com sends rich e-mails with flash movies embedded for their clients, who include Lexus and several GM brands, all to certified opt-in lists. They have two dedicated servers just for mail spooling and depending on who they're running a campaign for, it could have upwards of 5 million messages in the queue. Lots of emails doesn't automatically mean spam. As for the person asking about the a drive accessing, I believe that was for some sort of Intranet application, IIRC. -Justin Scott, Lead Developer Sceiron Internet Services, Inc. http://www.sceiron.com __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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someone once wrote a way here how send emails directly to MS SMTP service using cffile instead of cfmail. using this method you could easily send out a million plus emails a day. best of all ms smtp service is free with windows. but it doesn't do automatic bounce management like a real MLM, and too bad addresses, even on opt-in list they can be 4 or 5% or more, will really kill the listserver throughput. You can set the FROM address of the messages to a valid mailbox so that bounces, etc do get caught. Handling these would be another application in itself (CF or otherwise). That app would pull messages from that account, parse whatever it thought was an error and then remove it from the master list (perhaps after multiple bounces?). By running messages directly through the IIS SMTP spooler and having the bounced messages going to another mail server, it doesn't affect performance unless they're on the same server. -Justin Scott, Lead Developer Sceiron Internet Services, Inc. http://www.sceiron.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
