RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Geez Mike, how many lists are you on anyways? =] Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 11, 2005 2:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex ActionScript 2 is based on ECMA script. We didn't define ECMA script (at least not by ourselves, as we are currently on the working group). mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] P T Withington wrote: AS2 is based on ECMAScript, but is a proprietary language because it is defined by Macromedia, not by the ECMAScript standard. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214999 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to work some up and send them out. I think I can help Bryan out here. Laszlo was built primarily for the presentation layer of application development. To that use, it has features that make it a powerful and compelling environment for client application development. Features of the Laszlo language include data binding, constraints, events, delegation, extensibility, ECMAScript, layouts,... plus all the features you'd expect in a media rich client development language. Laszlo does not provide a middleware solution. However, since it uses standards such as XML over HTTP, SOAP, and XML-RPC, it can be used with ANY sever technology that supports these standards, including ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, JSP, Java servlets, SOAP, RPC, CGI,... etc. To build your this layer in ColdFusion, you would need to create a ColdFusion script that responds to an HTTP request, extracting info from the query string, querying a data base, and returning the data as XML. That said, I have not developed in ColdFusion for some years, and currently do not own a license for the server, so I am not able to provide any examples. However, I do know that ColdFusion provides tags to perform all of the necessary functions. There are many good tutorials on ColdFusion available on the web, and any experienced ColdFusion developer should be able to implement XML services with ease. John Olmstead Software Engineer Laszlo Systems ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214593 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo also doesnt support the same type of customization especially with components that flex does so if you need a completely custom or fitting look then flex is the choice. As software engineer and a member of the team that built Earthlink's new Laszlo based web mail product (now in Beta), I can say that this statement is absolutely incorrect. Earthlink wanted a look-and-feel entirely their own, so every component in the application was customized specifically for the product. Since all Laszlo components are open source and defined in the Laszlo language, they can be easily re-skinned, customized, or extended. Defining your own custom components from scratch is also not only possible, but fairly straight forward given the powerful capabilities of the Laszlo language. Having never used Flex, I can't speak to its capabilities. I however have yet to see an example of a Flex application that rivals Laszlo. John Olmstead Software Engineer Laszlo Systems ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214595 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
That said, I have not developed in ColdFusion for some years, and currently do not own a license for the server, so I am not able to provide any examples. However, I do know that ColdFusion provides tags to perform all of the necessary functions. There are many good tutorials on ColdFusion available on the web, and any experienced ColdFusion developer should be able to implement XML services with ease. I hear ya John...and thanks for the info. I do wonder what happened to that Lazlo guy that called me and said he'd send some CF specific code examples?? ;-) It really would make the whole product investigation far easier on all developers if there were language specific examples. I could understand Lazlo may want to keep the focus on it's own languagebut for those of us that are SUPER busy, examples in our own langauge make a quick assessment MUCH easier.just a thought ;-) As it stands now I just don't have the time to sort out how it would all work for meI'll have to place it on the back burner until I have some spare time (whatever that is...hehe) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214597 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Something else to take into account... If you're working with the OpenLaszlo server deployment via a servlet container or enterprise Java server, you should be able to access CFC methods directly from a Java class through the new CFCProxy doodad once Merrimack is out. I think. - Jim John Olmstead wrote: What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to work some up and send them out. I think I can help Bryan out here. Laszlo was built primarily for the presentation layer of application development. To that use, it has features that make it a powerful and compelling environment for client application development. Features of the Laszlo language include data binding, constraints, events, delegation, extensibility, ECMAScript, layouts,... plus all the features you'd expect in a media rich client development language. Laszlo does not provide a middleware solution. However, since it uses standards such as XML over HTTP, SOAP, and XML-RPC, it can be used with ANY sever technology that supports these standards, including ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, JSP, Java servlets, SOAP, RPC, CGI,... etc. To build your this layer in ColdFusion, you would need to create a ColdFusion script that responds to an HTTP request, extracting info from the query string, querying a data base, and returning the data as XML. That said, I have not developed in ColdFusion for some years, and currently do not own a license for the server, so I am not able to provide any examples. However, I do know that ColdFusion provides tags to perform all of the necessary functions. There are many good tutorials on ColdFusion available on the web, and any experienced ColdFusion developer should be able to implement XML services with ease. John Olmstead Software Engineer Laszlo Systems ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214598 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
that calendar tool example simply rawks! I have heard several in the Flex community wanting one of those :) DK On 8/11/05, John Olmstead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laszlo also doesnt support the same type of customization especially with components that flex does so if you need a completely custom or fitting look then flex is the choice. As software engineer and a member of the team that built Earthlink's new Laszlo based web mail product (now in Beta), I can say that this statement is absolutely incorrect. Earthlink wanted a look-and-feel entirely their own, so every component in the application was customized specifically for the product. Since all Laszlo components are open source and defined in the Laszlo language, they can be easily re-skinned, customized, or extended. Defining your own custom components from scratch is also not only possible, but fairly straight forward given the powerful capabilities of the Laszlo language. Having never used Flex, I can't speak to its capabilities. I however have yet to see an example of a Flex application that rivals Laszlo. John Olmstead Software Engineer Laszlo Systems ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214599 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
That seems to say to me that it is based on ECMA script (as is AS2) but deviates from it in a number of ways. Laszlo's scripting language is ECMAScript (not a proprietary language, as you stated in your original post). The 'deviations' you note are bugs. Bugs don't make a proprietary language. AS2 is based on ECMAScript, but is a proprietary language because it is defined by Macromedia, not by the ECMAScript standard. Perhaps it is a subtle point. As I am sure you are aware, most of the 'deviations' from ECMAScript in Laszlo are due to using the Flash player as the (current) runtime target. (I'm not knocking the Flash player. It is an excellent piece of engineering.) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214615 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
ActionScript 2 is based on ECMA script. We didn't define ECMA script (at least not by ourselves, as we are currently on the working group). mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] P T Withington wrote: AS2 is based on ECMAScript, but is a proprietary language because it is defined by Macromedia, not by the ECMAScript standard. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214634 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
(I'm not knocking the Flash player. It is an excellent piece of engineering.) could be why it's the single biggest plugin of all time, ya think? ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: P T Withington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:31 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex That seems to say to me that it is based on ECMA script (as is AS2) but deviates from it in a number of ways. Laszlo's scripting language is ECMAScript (not a proprietary language, as you stated in your original post). The 'deviations' you note are bugs. Bugs don't make a proprietary language. AS2 is based on ECMAScript, but is a proprietary language because it is defined by Macromedia, not by the ECMAScript standard. Perhaps it is a subtle point. As I am sure you are aware, most of the 'deviations' from ECMAScript in Laszlo are due to using the Flash player as the (current) runtime target. (I'm not knocking the Flash player. It is an excellent piece of engineering.) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214676 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
humm, i have always heard the opposite and while laszlo has some cool things, it's still lagging IMO. I however have yet to see an example of a Flex application that rivals Laszlo I have yet to see a laszlo app outside of the examples that was anything eye catching at all or even user friendly or take advantage of the current capabilities of the flash player or platform. btw~ tell earthilnik to get off their ass and refund my almost $300 they mistakenly charged me and were supposed to refund me a year ago, glad to see they can take unauthorized money from customers and not give it back and instead give it u, haha (bastards) ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: John Olmstead [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:33 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex Laszlo also doesnt support the same type of customization especially with components that flex does so if you need a completely custom or fitting look then flex is the choice. As software engineer and a member of the team that built Earthlink's new Laszlo based web mail product (now in Beta), I can say that this statement is absolutely incorrect. Earthlink wanted a look-and-feel entirely their own, so every component in the application was customized specifically for the product. Since all Laszlo components are open source and defined in the Laszlo language, they can be easily re-skinned, customized, or extended. Defining your own custom components from scratch is also not only possible, but fairly straight forward given the powerful capabilities of the Laszlo language. Having never used Flex, I can't speak to its capabilities. I however have yet to see an example of a Flex application that rivals Laszlo. John Olmstead Software Engineer Laszlo Systems ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214677 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
All that being said John, here is my take. If I was going to build a scalable enterprise ria system I could: go with laszlo to try and save some money and hope to god I didn't have to purchase support and with using cfm or any language to feed the beast I would still have to add all the extra code to create and maintain the xml code which will be needed to run laszlo and also spend more cash to build up better servers with more hardware to accomodate the extra overhead that using xml creates and keep a good dev staff on board to try and keep it scaling with demand. or go with flex and say good ridence to all or mostly all of the xml and use remoting which will make the app faster with conciderably less overhead and eliminatethe whole xml part of it which could be HUGE, which saves time, money, resources, costs and when it needs to scale its a piece of cake since you dont have all the extra worries of also scaling the xml system as well. Not to mention the support factor or the speed at which the apps will run will be enormous by using the current flash player and remoting. To me it would see as if you'd end up spending a lot more money with laszlo for the same app and it will run slower and be less responsive, I don't see the good in that. However, For some small things it looks nice :) BUT If MM or Adobe decides to drop the price or run it on shared servers or do a sliding price scale then you are in for a world of hurt. I'm not saying I don't like laszlo cause I do but the reality is that when you break down the 2, flex absolutely crushes it. ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: John Olmstead [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:31 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to work some up and send them out. I think I can help Bryan out here. Laszlo was built primarily for the presentation layer of application development. To that use, it has features that make it a powerful and compelling environment for client application development. Features of the Laszlo language include data binding, constraints, events, delegation, extensibility, ECMAScript, layouts,... plus all the features you'd expect in a media rich client development language. Laszlo does not provide a middleware solution. However, since it uses standards such as XML over HTTP, SOAP, and XML-RPC, it can be used with ANY sever technology that supports these standards, including ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, JSP, Java servlets, SOAP, RPC, CGI,... etc. To build your this layer in ColdFusion, you would need to create a ColdFusion script that responds to an HTTP request, extracting info from the query string, querying a data base, and returning the data as XML. That said, I have not developed in ColdFusion for some years, and currently do not own a license for the server, so I am not able to provide any examples. However, I do know that ColdFusion provides tags to perform all of the necessary functions. There are many good tutorials on ColdFusion available on the web, and any experienced ColdFusion developer should be able to implement XML services with ease. John Olmstead Software Engineer Laszlo Systems ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214678 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to work some up and send them out. Douglas Knudsen wrote: am I missing something here? http://www.laszlosystems.com/demos/ all teh demos have source code available. DK On 8/4/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those waiting for Lazlo code samples..well so am Istill no mail from Lazlo Systems, but they did say they'd need to put together the samples from parts of the siteso I'll let it slide for now...hehe ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213846 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to work some up and send them out. Thanks Kenand yes...I'm still waitinganybody...Bueller!! ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213869 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 19:49, Bryan Stevenson wrote: and data usage.but what's missing is conditional logic and data inserts/updates etc. I think of it as a replacement for DHTML in the Ajaz world - when ever something needs doing server-side like database chagnes, it invokes a web service or makes a post/request to a page. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213703 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 21:14, Chris Peters wrote: I had ditched the idea of installing OpenLaszlo earlier because I didn't want to deal with installing it on Tomcat. But now it's possible to install it as a JRun app. Or just use it to generate stand-alone .swf :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213707 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
The developer edition of Flex is fully functional, but is limited to 5
named ip addresses. You can apply for a non-commercial/non-institutional
license, which is free(ish) here: www.macromedia.com/go/flexlicense This
will allow an unlimited ip access to your apps, but is very restrictive
in its uses. MM has outlined some scenarios under which this license is
acceptable.
--Ferg
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
DOH! ...sorry Mike...so you wereyep...I'd call that and Lazlo purdy darn
close...I like. ;-)
So I saw someone post about a developer edition...restrictions inn
functionality (if any)? similarities/differences to CF Deveveloper Edition?
Thanks for the insight MikeI know I could RTFS but an insider is often
more to the point ;-)
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
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- Original Message -
From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I was trying to show some interactivity, but here is a basic hello world:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml; xmlns=*
mx:Label text=Hello World /
/mx:Appplication
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Thanks for the Hello World sample Mikepretty much as Lazlo does it
(although I must admit Lazlo code looks cleanerbut if integration
with
CF is easier (which I'd assume any MM product would be)...then Flex is
attractive (except the price...but we've seen radical price shifts in
Breeze
since it's introduction...so I'll maintain some hope..hehe).
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message -
From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language
(i
dont have all of the details).
Flex UI markup is XML / Tag based, and the scripting language is
ActionScript (based on ECMA Script).
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml;
xmlns=*
!-- this can also point to an external ActionScript file --
mx:Script
function onClick()
{
outputField.text = Hello World;
}
/mx:Script
mx:Button label=Hello id=button click=onClick() /
mx:TextArea id=outputField /
/mx:Application
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions ;-)
I saw in the Lazlo demo that it's tag basedlike so:
canvas
textHello World/text
/canvas
I've heard a bunch of folks mention AS 2 in relation to Flexnow
I'm
not
sure if the use of AS 2 equates to Lazlo's use of JavaScript OR if AS
2
equates to Lazlo's tag based usage?
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
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Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language (i dont have all of the details). Flex UI markup is XML / Tag based, and the scripting language is ActionScript (based on ECMA Script). You're right on one point Mike: you _dont_ [sic] have all the details. Laszlo's scripting language _is_ ECMAScript. I believe it is AS2 that is the proprietary scripting language. Sheesh. P T Withington Laszlo Systems ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213728 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
You're right on one point Mike: you _dont_ [sic] have all the details. Laszlo's scripting language _is_ ECMAScript. I believe it is AS2 that is the proprietary scripting language. Sheesh. P T Withington Laszlo Systems OoooOOo a post from the Lazlo camp ;-) SoP T...if you can show me some sample Lazlo code that would invoke a CFC I'd be a happy camper ;-) Oh ya...can you explain how Lazlo and CF live together (broad strokesbig picture kind of stuff). TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213738 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language (i dont have all of the details). You're right on one point Mike: you _dont_ [sic] have all the details. Laszlo's scripting language _is_ ECMAScript. I believe it is AS2 that is the proprietary scripting language. P T Withington Laszlo Systems ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213742 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
AS2 may be the proprietary language, but we're talking about applications that compile to the proprietary Flash player, right??? I'd say that using the proprietary AS2 is actually a plus over ECMAScript, unless of course, you can argue that I'm wrong. --Ferg P T Withington wrote: Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language (i dont have all of the details). Flex UI markup is XML / Tag based, and the scripting language is ActionScript (based on ECMA Script). You're right on one point Mike: you _dont_ [sic] have all the details. Laszlo's scripting language _is_ ECMAScript. I believe it is AS2 that is the proprietary scripting language. Sheesh. P T Withington Laszlo Systems ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213743 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
You think Flex is cool now, read this: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mesh/archives/2005/08/will_zorn_requi.cfm Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com NOTICE: This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this e-mail by you is prohibited. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213744 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Sheesh? Laszlo's scripting language _is_ ECMAScript. http://www.laszlosystems.com/lps-2.0/docs/lzx-reference/info-scripting.html That seems to say to me that it is based on ECMA script (as is AS2) but deviates from it in a number of ways. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: P T Withington [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language (i dont have all of the details). Flex UI markup is XML / Tag based, and the scripting language is ActionScript (based on ECMA Script). You're right on one point Mike: you _dont_ [sic] have all the details. Laszlo's scripting language _is_ ECMAScript. I believe it is AS2 that is the proprietary scripting language. Sheesh. P T Withington Laszlo Systems ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213755 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
You think Flex is cool now, read this: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mesh/archives/2005/08/will_zorn_requi.cfm Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com Sounds promisingbut a tad too vague for my likingit's all about what is and isn't in the list of enterprise level functionality (that won't be in the serverless deployment option). If as somebody mentioned in the Blogthings like remoting are considered enterprise-level then it doesn't matter if it'd free or cheaper IMHO ;-) Fo now I'd have to say Lazlo still looks like abetter option to invest my time in simply because it's free and will do what I want it to (or so the Lazlo folks say). BTWI guess this thread I started got the Lazlo folks attention.somebody called me to ask what I wanted to know and will be sending me some code samples shortlynice!!...responsive!! (and not slagging MM or Mike Cthey are too) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213756 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Well, if they send you some good code examples and the like, I for one would be very glad if you could post them out here or at least forward them on to me! --Ferg Bryan Stevenson wrote: You think Flex is cool now, read this: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mesh/archives/2005/08/will_zorn_requi.cfm Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com Sounds promisingbut a tad too vague for my likingit's all about what is and isn't in the list of enterprise level functionality (that won't be in the serverless deployment option). If as somebody mentioned in the Blogthings like remoting are considered enterprise-level then it doesn't matter if it'd free or cheaper IMHO ;-) Fo now I'd have to say Lazlo still looks like abetter option to invest my time in simply because it's free and will do what I want it to (or so the Lazlo folks say). BTWI guess this thread I started got the Lazlo folks attention.somebody called me to ask what I wanted to know and will be sending me some code samples shortlynice!!...responsive!! (and not slagging MM or Mike Cthey are too) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213758 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Well, if they send you some good code examples and the like, I for one would be very glad if you could post them out here or at least forward them on to me! --Ferg but of course!! ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213760 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Please post here as I am also interested in the code examples - particularly those relating to CF (their web site has examples, but none relating to CF). Thanks! On Thursday 04 August 2005 12:28 pm, Bryan Stevenson wrote: Well, if they send you some good code examples and the like, I for one would be very glad if you could post them out here or at least forward them on to me! --Ferg but of course!! ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213768 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Me to ;-) I've been looking at Laszlo for a little while... We did a few things on a laptop we set up on our network... Yves On 8/4/05, Chuck Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please post here as I am also interested in the code examples - particularly those relating to CF (their web site has examples, but none relating to CF). Thanks! On Thursday 04 August 2005 12:28 pm, Bryan Stevenson wrote: Well, if they send you some good code examples and the like, I for one would be very glad if you could post them out here or at least forward them on to me! --Ferg but of course!! ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213774 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Looking at OpenLaszlo my one concern would be the *long* list of known issues with 3.0. I think one of the bug-fix frenzies popular in the OSS world would help here, maybe have a prize for the most bugs fixed in a month or something. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213777 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I tend to agree based on the posts I see from the laszlo mailing list, which I've been following for the last few months. On this CF list you find questions like, how do I do x? while on the Laszlo list you see a lot more questions or comments on things that don't work at all and the work-arounds to get them to work by somehow fakin' the funk. Damien McKenna wrote: Looking at OpenLaszlo my one concern would be the *long* list of known issues with 3.0. I think one of the bug-fix frenzies popular in the OSS world would help here, maybe have a prize for the most bugs fixed in a month or something. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213785 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I thought AS2 is ECMA based... http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/flash/articles/converting_actionscript2.html DK On 8/4/05, Ken Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tend to agree based on the posts I see from the laszlo mailing list, which I've been following for the last few months. On this CF list you find questions like, how do I do x? while on the Laszlo list you see a lot more questions or comments on things that don't work at all and the work-arounds to get them to work by somehow fakin' the funk. Damien McKenna wrote: Looking at OpenLaszlo my one concern would be the *long* list of known issues with 3.0. I think one of the bug-fix frenzies popular in the OSS world would help here, maybe have a prize for the most bugs fixed in a month or something. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213791 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
For those waiting for Lazlo code samples..well so am Istill no mail from Lazlo Systems, but they did say they'd need to put together the samples from parts of the siteso I'll let it slide for now...hehe ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213819 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
am I missing something here? http://www.laszlosystems.com/demos/ all teh demos have source code available. DK On 8/4/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those waiting for Lazlo code samples..well so am Istill no mail from Lazlo Systems, but they did say they'd need to put together the samples from parts of the siteso I'll let it slide for now...hehe ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213824 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Pardon me if this vs thread has already happened ;-) So which is easiest for a CFer to learn? How steep is the learning curve? Is it fair to say that both are basically a tag based version of ActionScript (broad picture...not a feature by feature comparison)? if not why? Anything else useful to a CFer looking into these? TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213623 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OK...so I've taken the Lazlo 10 minute demovery cool stuff, but I'm left wondering how it fits into the CF world. The demo shows how to accomplish some great UI stuff, and some data binding and data usage.but what's missing is conditional logic and data inserts/updates etc. Can anyone fill in the holes? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:25 AM Subject: Open Lazlo vs. Flex Pardon me if this vs thread has already happened ;-) So which is easiest for a CFer to learn? How steep is the learning curve? Is it fair to say that both are basically a tag based version of ActionScript (broad picture...not a feature by feature comparison)? if not why? Anything else useful to a CFer looking into these? TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213626 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
**Qualifying statement: I'm an expert on neither Flex nor Laszlo. I am answering from what I've heard and read added to my limited experience actually using both Flex and Laszlo to build test applications. One thing to note right off the bat is that I believe the Laszlo apps compile to the Flash 5 format, thus cannot utilize the features of AS 2, but they will play on a few more browsers. I'm not sure that the number of supported users is a really important distinction since the vast majority of machines out there have the latest player, but it is something to think of if you're worried about it. From everything I've heard/read, Flex is much, much easier and quicker to develop. In Laszlo apps, lzx files are composed of their xml-based mark-up and javascript, whereas the Flex markup seems more familiar to the CF developer who's learned some basic AS. For a CF developer, Flex would seem much more simple to learn too, owing to the familiarity with MM products on the whole and the (in my opinion) vastly superior documentation. Furthermore, many of the developers using Flex are the same developers you've been talking CF with for several years, which makes it a lot easier to know whom you need to seek out when you have a question. In fact, while I don't have numbers to back up my supposition, I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of people developing Flex apps are also CF developers or at least Flash developers with a fair amount of CF knowledge. I have not found this at all to be the case with Laszlo developers. Of course, even if I could list points 50:1 in favor of Flex, it's still priced *WELL* out of the reach of most while Laszlo is free. I wish my company could afford Flex, as I'd jump on it with both feet. As it stands though, my limited work with the free developer version is likely to be my last/only chance to work with it. MM has decided that they'd rather go elsewhere with the product and has priced it ludicrously high. (and yes, I am very bitter about that) --Ferg Bryan Stevenson wrote: Pardon me if this vs thread has already happened ;-) So which is easiest for a CFer to learn? How steep is the learning curve? Is it fair to say that both are basically a tag based version of ActionScript (broad picture...not a feature by feature comparison)? if not why? Anything else useful to a CFer looking into these? TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213628 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
On 8/3/05, Ken Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **Qualifying statement: I'm an expert on neither Flex nor Laszlo. I am answering from what I've heard and read added to my limited experience actually using both Flex and Laszlo to build test applications. One thing to note right off the bat is that I believe the Laszlo apps compile to the Flash 5 format, thus cannot utilize the features of AS 2, but they will play on a few more browsers. I'm not sure that the number of supported users is a really important distinction since the vast majority of machines out there have the latest player, but it is something to think of if you're worried about it. From everything I've heard/read, Flex is much, much easier and quicker to develop. In Laszlo apps, lzx files are composed of their xml-based mark-up and javascript, whereas the Flex markup seems more familiar to the CF developer who's learned some basic AS. For a CF developer, Flex would seem much more simple to learn too, owing to the familiarity with MM products on the whole and the (in my opinion) vastly superior documentation. Furthermore, many of the developers using Flex are the same developers you've been talking CF with for several years, which makes it a lot easier to know whom you need to seek out when you have a question. In fact, while I don't have numbers to back up my supposition, I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of people developing Flex apps are also CF developers or at least Flash developers with a fair amount of CF knowledge. I have not found this at all to be the case with Laszlo developers. actually I have found more folks so far are J2EE types, at least on the flexcoders list. Yes, many CFrs are joining in, my self included. see sites like cflex.org for example. If you think Flex is too costly, certainly Flex with CF is too costly, eh? Another reason to go J2EE in the backendmy $0.2 DK Of course, even if I could list points 50:1 in favor of Flex, it's still priced *WELL* out of the reach of most while Laszlo is free. I wish my company could afford Flex, as I'd jump on it with both feet. As it stands though, my limited work with the free developer version is likely to be my last/only chance to work with it. MM has decided that they'd rather go elsewhere with the product and has priced it ludicrously high. (and yes, I am very bitter about that) --Ferg Bryan Stevenson wrote: Pardon me if this vs thread has already happened ;-) So which is easiest for a CFer to learn? How steep is the learning curve? Is it fair to say that both are basically a tag based version of ActionScript (broad picture...not a feature by feature comparison)? if not why? Anything else useful to a CFer looking into these? TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213631 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only). So does Lazlo (and Flex) have an equivalent of: -database interaction (CFQUERY) -conditional logic (CFIF/CFCASE) Or perhaps even simplercan either of these do what CF can do (i.e. build an entire application) or are they more for the interface side of things and then levergae J2EE or CF for the rest of the app? TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213632 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only). Flex and Laszlo are both presentation servers, so yes, they only deal with the front end and presentation of data. So does Lazlo (and Flex) have an equivalent of: -database interaction (CFQUERY) -conditional logic (CFIF/CFCASE) No, and yes. ;-) Database interaction is done through another technology such as CF, for example. Laszlo and Flex don't talk directly to the database--that's not their job. Using ActionScript in Flex you can of course do all sorts of logic on the scripting side. I *believe* Flex uses JavaScript as its scripting language, so whatever you can do in JS would apply to Laszlo. Or perhaps even simplercan either of these do what CF can do (i.e. build an entire application) or are they more for the interface side of things and then levergae J2EE or CF for the rest of the app? Depends on what your app needs to do. You CAN build entire apps in Flex or Laszlo, but without a database behind them, I'm not sure how useful they'd be. Matt ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213633 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
-Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing to note right off the bat is that I believe the Laszlo apps compile to the Flash 5 format, thus cannot utilize the features of AS 2, You need to look at OpenLaszlo 3, it supports Flash 6. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213634 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
But if you can do ActionScript in Flex then can you not call CF remoting components to access database then? -Original Message- From: Matt Woodward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only). Flex and Laszlo are both presentation servers, so yes, they only deal with the front end and presentation of data. So does Lazlo (and Flex) have an equivalent of: -database interaction (CFQUERY) -conditional logic (CFIF/CFCASE) No, and yes. ;-) Database interaction is done through another technology such as CF, for example. Laszlo and Flex don't talk directly to the database--that's not their job. Using ActionScript in Flex you can of course do all sorts of logic on the scripting side. I *believe* Flex uses JavaScript as its scripting language, so whatever you can do in JS would apply to Laszlo. Or perhaps even simplercan either of these do what CF can do (i.e. build an entire application) or are they more for the interface side of things and then levergae J2EE or CF for the rest of the app? Depends on what your app needs to do. You CAN build entire apps in Flex or Laszlo, but without a database behind them, I'm not sure how useful they'd be. Matt ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213635 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
While we're mentioning J2EE, I noticed that OpenLaszlo now can be installed as a WAR file on a J2EE app server. I had ditched the idea of installing OpenLaszlo earlier because I didn't want to deal with installing it on Tomcat. But now it's possible to install it as a JRun app. - Chris Peters OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only). So does Lazlo (and Flex) have an equivalent of: -database interaction (CFQUERY) -conditional logic (CFIF/CFCASE) Or perhaps even simplercan either of these do what CF can do (i.e. build an entire application) or are they more for the interface side of things and then levergae J2EE or CF for the rest of the app? TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213636 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Flex is UI level with the Flex server providing gateways to back end stuff, one way to put it at least.So yes, Flex has no DB interaction like CF does. Flex uses AS2, so has a standard programming model and all. You got it in your last sentence. DK On 8/3/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only). So does Lazlo (and Flex) have an equivalent of: -database interaction (CFQUERY) -conditional logic (CFIF/CFCASE) Or perhaps even simplercan either of these do what CF can do (i.e. build an entire application) or are they more for the interface side of things and then levergae J2EE or CF for the rest of the app? TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213637 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Thanks Mattthat's the big picture I was after.and confirms that I'm not off my nut ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Matt Woodward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only). Flex and Laszlo are both presentation servers, so yes, they only deal with the front end and presentation of data. So does Lazlo (and Flex) have an equivalent of: -database interaction (CFQUERY) -conditional logic (CFIF/CFCASE) No, and yes. ;-) Database interaction is done through another technology such as CF, for example. Laszlo and Flex don't talk directly to the database--that's not their job. Using ActionScript in Flex you can of course do all sorts of logic on the scripting side. I *believe* Flex uses JavaScript as its scripting language, so whatever you can do in JS would apply to Laszlo. Or perhaps even simplercan either of these do what CF can do (i.e. build an entire application) or are they more for the interface side of things and then levergae J2EE or CF for the rest of the app? Depends on what your app needs to do. You CAN build entire apps in Flex or Laszlo, but without a database behind them, I'm not sure how useful they'd be. Matt ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213638 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
You need to use some sort of scripting language to handle all of your data interaction and processing. You tie Flex or Laszlo to your components/web services, but they just sit in front of your application and allow you to generate a rich user interface. --Ferg Bryan Stevenson wrote: OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only). So does Lazlo (and Flex) have an equivalent of: -database interaction (CFQUERY) -conditional logic (CFIF/CFCASE) Or perhaps even simplercan either of these do what CF can do (i.e. build an entire application) or are they more for the interface side of things and then levergae J2EE or CF for the rest of the app? TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213640 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I personally think both are a waste of time. I like the idea that's been suggested with Zorn, but that remains to be seen... The biggest advantages offered by Flash are: - Dynamic Capabilities - Lightweight - Extremely Interactive - Browser Persistence The first 3 of these advantages can be squashed by bad developers and bad practices, which happens frequently unfortunately. The last is lost once page refreshes come back into the picture through dynamic Flash compiling. I understand the need to get a broader market share to expand the Flash Platform, but I'm not positive that different IDE's pumping out different content, compiling to the same byte code is the best course of action. @@ Cents Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 3, 2005 1:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex On 8/3/05, Ken Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **Qualifying statement: I'm an expert on neither Flex nor Laszlo. I am answering from what I've heard and read added to my limited experience actually using both Flex and Laszlo to build test applications. One thing to note right off the bat is that I believe the Laszlo apps compile to the Flash 5 format, thus cannot utilize the features of AS 2, but they will play on a few more browsers. I'm not sure that the number of supported users is a really important distinction since the vast majority of machines out there have the latest player, but it is something to think of if you're worried about it. From everything I've heard/read, Flex is much, much easier and quicker to develop. In Laszlo apps, lzx files are composed of their xml-based mark-up and javascript, whereas the Flex markup seems more familiar to the CF developer who's learned some basic AS. For a CF developer, Flex would seem much more simple to learn too, owing to the familiarity with MM products on the whole and the (in my opinion) vastly superior documentation. Furthermore, many of the developers using Flex are the same developers you've been talking CF with for several years, which makes it a lot easier to know whom you need to seek out when you have a question. In fact, while I don't have numbers to back up my supposition, I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of people developing Flex apps are also CF developers or at least Flash developers with a fair amount of CF knowledge. I have not found this at all to be the case with Laszlo developers. actually I have found more folks so far are J2EE types, at least on the flexcoders list. Yes, many CFrs are joining in, my self included. see sites like cflex.org for example. If you think Flex is too costly, certainly Flex with CF is too costly, eh? Another reason to go J2EE in the backendmy $0.2 DK Of course, even if I could list points 50:1 in favor of Flex, it's still priced *WELL* out of the reach of most while Laszlo is free. I wish my company could afford Flex, as I'd jump on it with both feet. As it stands though, my limited work with the free developer version is likely to be my last/only chance to work with it. MM has decided that they'd rather go elsewhere with the product and has priced it ludicrously high. (and yes, I am very bitter about that) --Ferg Bryan Stevenson wrote: Pardon me if this vs thread has already happened ;-) So which is easiest for a CFer to learn? How steep is the learning curve? Is it fair to say that both are basically a tag based version of ActionScript (broad picture...not a feature by feature comparison)? if not why? Anything else useful to a CFer looking into these? TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213639 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
well one of the big advantages of flex is that you can use remoting, web services, xml whatever very easily, actually it's kinda sick how easy it is and you dont have that with laszlo. Also laszlo seems to always be publishing at least 2 versions of flash behind the current version and if you are making RIA's of the future then this should be of great importance to you. Then with laszlo if you need support be prepared to buy it and it's not cheap. Laszlo also doesnt support the same type of customization especially with components that flex does so if you need a completely custom or fitting look then flex is the choice. Flex is part of the whole flash platform and being able to run actionscript in it is obviously a great advantage plus all the other products you can use with it. There was something about laszlo on shared servers that was hidious but I cant recall what it was but I wouldn't plan on using it on a shared server and if u can afford flex then you wont be on a shared server. ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Trevor Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex But if you can do ActionScript in Flex then can you not call CF remoting components to access database then? -Original Message- From: Matt Woodward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only). Flex and Laszlo are both presentation servers, so yes, they only deal with the front end and presentation of data. So does Lazlo (and Flex) have an equivalent of: -database interaction (CFQUERY) -conditional logic (CFIF/CFCASE) No, and yes. ;-) Database interaction is done through another technology such as CF, for example. Laszlo and Flex don't talk directly to the database--that's not their job. Using ActionScript in Flex you can of course do all sorts of logic on the scripting side. I *believe* Flex uses JavaScript as its scripting language, so whatever you can do in JS would apply to Laszlo. Or perhaps even simplercan either of these do what CF can do (i.e. build an entire application) or are they more for the interface side of things and then levergae J2EE or CF for the rest of the app? Depends on what your app needs to do. You CAN build entire apps in Flex or Laszlo, but without a database behind them, I'm not sure how useful they'd be. Matt ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213642 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
that's still 2 versions behind (since i hear we will have flash 8 here next week) ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:09 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing to note right off the bat is that I believe the Laszlo apps compile to the Flash 5 format, thus cannot utilize the features of AS 2, You need to look at OpenLaszlo 3, it supports Flash 6. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213643 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I personally think both are a waste of time. I like the idea that's been suggested with Zorn, but that remains to be seen... The biggest advantages offered by Flash are: - Dynamic Capabilities - Lightweight - Extremely Interactive - Browser Persistence I hear ya Kevin.but what I've seen in my career so far (no matter how much it matters to me to build apps correctly and make them maintainable etc.).is that a pretty picture often makes the saleso a (pardon the pun) Flashy UI with moving widgets and lots of colours has that wow factor that as we as developers know doesn't matter.but often makes the sale when showing to the decision makers (i.e. Dilbert's boss...hehe). Of course even with a nice rich UI...I will always stick to my own development standards ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213644 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I believe the Laszlo on shared servers thing you were trying to think of is the fact that Laszlo supports a completely serverless deployment. They refer to this as SOLO deployment. --Ferg dave wrote: well one of the big advantages of flex is that you can use remoting, web services, xml whatever very easily, actually it's kinda sick how easy it is and you dont have that with laszlo. Also laszlo seems to always be publishing at least 2 versions of flash behind the current version and if you are making RIA's of the future then this should be of great importance to you. Then with laszlo if you need support be prepared to buy it and it's not cheap. Laszlo also doesnt support the same type of customization especially with components that flex does so if you need a completely custom or fitting look then flex is the choice. Flex is part of the whole flash platform and being able to run actionscript in it is obviously a great advantage plus all the other products you can use with it. There was something about laszlo on shared servers that was hidious but I cant recall what it was but I wouldn't plan on using it on a shared server and if u can afford flex then you wont be on a shared server. ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Trevor Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:13 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex But if you can do ActionScript in Flex then can you not call CF remoting components to access database then? -Original Message- From: Matt Woodward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex OK...I'm still missing the bigger picture As I said already...the Lazlo demo leads me to belive it's only for UI coding (although there is talk of databut via XML only). Flex and Laszlo are both presentation servers, so yes, they only deal with the front end and presentation of data. So does Lazlo (and Flex) have an equivalent of: -database interaction (CFQUERY) -conditional logic (CFIF/CFCASE) No, and yes. ;-) Database interaction is done through another technology such as CF, for example. Laszlo and Flex don't talk directly to the database--that's not their job. Using ActionScript in Flex you can of course do all sorts of logic on the scripting side. I *believe* Flex uses JavaScript as its scripting language, so whatever you can do in JS would apply to Laszlo. Or perhaps even simplercan either of these do what CF can do (i.e. build an entire application) or are they more for the interface side of things and then levergae J2EE or CF for the rest of the app? Depends on what your app needs to do. You CAN build entire apps in Flex or Laszlo, but without a database behind them, I'm not sure how useful they'd be. Matt ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213645 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions ;-) I saw in the Lazlo demo that it's tag basedlike so: canvas textHello World/text /canvas I've heard a bunch of folks mention AS 2 in relation to Flexnow I'm not sure if the use of AS 2 equates to Lazlo's use of JavaScript OR if AS 2 equates to Lazlo's tag based usage? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213646 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
As does Flex. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex I believe the Laszlo on shared servers thing you were trying to think of is the fact that Laszlo supports a completely serverless deployment. They refer to this as SOLO deployment. --Ferg.com/tiny.cfm/54 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213647 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Flex is tag-based as well. Flex uses the mxml language, which is MM's own xml-based language along with AS. The tags and JS you use in Laszlo are used to build the flash movie. In this same way, the tags and AS you use in Flex are used to generate the movie. I think it's fair to say that Laszlo uses their own xml-based lzx code with JS in the same way (at a high level) that Flex uses the xml-based mxml code with AS. Bryan Stevenson wrote: OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions ;-) I saw in the Lazlo demo that it's tag basedlike so: canvas textHello World/text /canvas I've heard a bunch of folks mention AS 2 in relation to Flexnow I'm not sure if the use of AS 2 equates to Lazlo's use of JavaScript OR if AS 2 equates to Lazlo's tag based usage? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213653 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I understand what you mean. It sure makes it easier to add small UI features that enhance for the average developer... Maybe I'm just bitter because I see it as a waste of Flash's capabilities overall. Of course even with a nice rich UI...I will always stick to my own development standards ;-) Good for you... that's an ideology that many new developers should pick up and not enough existing developers follow. Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 3, 2005 2:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex I personally think both are a waste of time. I like the idea that's been suggested with Zorn, but that remains to be seen... The biggest advantages offered by Flash are: - Dynamic Capabilities - Lightweight - Extremely Interactive - Browser Persistence I hear ya Kevin.but what I've seen in my career so far (no matter how much it matters to me to build apps correctly and make them maintainable etc.).is that a pretty picture often makes the saleso a (pardon the pun) Flashy UI with moving widgets and lots of colours has that wow factor that as we as developers know doesn't matter.but often makes the sale when showing to the decision makers (i.e. Dilbert's boss...hehe). Of course even with a nice rich UI...I will always stick to my own development standards ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213654 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
actually flex's base coding is mxml which is like xml and similiar to laszlo's but you can use as2 right on in the code to help control the flash kinda like how you can now run java in with cfm, does that make sense? ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:39 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions ;-) I saw in the Lazlo demo that it's tag basedlike so: Hello World I've heard a bunch of folks mention AS 2 in relation to Flexnow I'm not sure if the use of AS 2 equates to Lazlo's use of JavaScript OR if AS 2 equates to Lazlo's tag based usage? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213659 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
You need to look at OpenLaszlo 3, it supports Flash 6. that's still 2 versions behind (since i hear we will have flash 8 here next week) That's splitting hairs, OpenLaszlo 3 has been out since April. So its more like 1.5 releases :-P -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213663 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language (i
dont have all of the details).
Flex UI markup is XML / Tag based, and the scripting language is
ActionScript (based on ECMA Script).
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml; xmlns=*
!-- this can also point to an external ActionScript file --
mx:Script
function onClick()
{
outputField.text = Hello World;
}
/mx:Script
mx:Button label=Hello id=button click=onClick() /
mx:TextArea id=outputField /
/mx:Application
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions ;-)
I saw in the Lazlo demo that it's tag basedlike so:
canvas
textHello World/text
/canvas
I've heard a bunch of folks mention AS 2 in relation to Flexnow I'm
not
sure if the use of AS 2 equates to Lazlo's use of JavaScript OR if AS 2
equates to Lazlo's tag based usage?
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
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RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I would call 2 version differences more than splitting hairs, thats like saying: the difference between using: cfm 5 and coldfusion mx7 or winlblows 98 and winblows xp or osx 8 and os x 10 or ie 4 and ie 6 or atari and xbox are all just splitting hairs, too close to call (well maybe the winblows versions) ;)~ it still comes down to flex will support flash player 8 and laszlo will support 6 (which is better than 5 though) flex supports the flash platform laszlo does not. flex supports remoting, laszlo doesnt blah blah blah ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:49 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Open Lazlo vs. Flex You need to look at OpenLaszlo 3, it supports Flash 6. that's still 2 versions behind (since i hear we will have flash 8 here next week) That's splitting hairs, OpenLaszlo 3 has been out since April. So its more like 1.5 releases :-P -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213668 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Thanks for the Hello World sample Mikepretty much as Lazlo does it
(although I must admit Lazlo code looks cleanerbut if integration with
CF is easier (which I'd assume any MM product would be)...then Flex is
attractive (except the price...but we've seen radical price shifts in Breeze
since it's introduction...so I'll maintain some hope..hehe).
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
- Original Message -
From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language (i
dont have all of the details).
Flex UI markup is XML / Tag based, and the scripting language is
ActionScript (based on ECMA Script).
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml; xmlns=*
!-- this can also point to an external ActionScript file --
mx:Script
function onClick()
{
outputField.text = Hello World;
}
/mx:Script
mx:Button label=Hello id=button click=onClick() /
mx:TextArea id=outputField /
/mx:Application
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions ;-)
I saw in the Lazlo demo that it's tag basedlike so:
canvas
textHello World/text
/canvas
I've heard a bunch of folks mention AS 2 in relation to Flexnow I'm
not
sure if the use of AS 2 equates to Lazlo's use of JavaScript OR if AS 2
equates to Lazlo's tag based usage?
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
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Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I was trying to show some interactivity, but here is a basic hello world:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml; xmlns=*
mx:Label text=Hello World /
/mx:Appplication
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Thanks for the Hello World sample Mikepretty much as Lazlo does it
(although I must admit Lazlo code looks cleanerbut if integration
with
CF is easier (which I'd assume any MM product would be)...then Flex is
attractive (except the price...but we've seen radical price shifts in
Breeze
since it's introduction...so I'll maintain some hope..hehe).
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
- Original Message -
From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language
(i
dont have all of the details).
Flex UI markup is XML / Tag based, and the scripting language is
ActionScript (based on ECMA Script).
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml;
xmlns=*
!-- this can also point to an external ActionScript file --
mx:Script
function onClick()
{
outputField.text = Hello World;
}
/mx:Script
mx:Button label=Hello id=button click=onClick() /
mx:TextArea id=outputField /
/mx:Application
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions ;-)
I saw in the Lazlo demo that it's tag basedlike so:
canvas
textHello World/text
/canvas
I've heard a bunch of folks mention AS 2 in relation to Flexnow I'm
not
sure if the use of AS 2 equates to Lazlo's use of JavaScript OR if AS 2
equates to Lazlo's tag based usage?
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
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Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I was trying to show some interactivity, but here is a basic hello world: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml; xmlns=* mx:Label text=Hello World / /mx:Appplication mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex Thanks for the Hello World sample Mikepretty much as Lazlo does it (although I must admit Lazlo code looks cleanerbut if integration with CF is easier (which I'd assume any MM product would be)...then Flex is attractive (except the price...but we've seen radical price shifts in Breeze since it's introduction...so I'll maintain some hope..hehe). Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm..com/tiny.cfm/54 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213684 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
DOH! ...sorry Mike...so you wereyep...I'd call that and Lazlo purdy darn
close...I like. ;-)
So I saw someone post about a developer edition...restrictions inn
functionality (if any)? similarities/differences to CF Deveveloper Edition?
Thanks for the insight MikeI know I could RTFS but an insider is often
more to the point ;-)
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
- Original Message -
From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
I was trying to show some interactivity, but here is a basic hello world:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml; xmlns=*
mx:Label text=Hello World /
/mx:Appplication
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Thanks for the Hello World sample Mikepretty much as Lazlo does it
(although I must admit Lazlo code looks cleanerbut if integration
with
CF is easier (which I'd assume any MM product would be)...then Flex is
attractive (except the price...but we've seen radical price shifts in
Breeze
since it's introduction...so I'll maintain some hope..hehe).
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
- Original Message -
From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
Laszlo does not use AS2, but rather some proprietary scripting language
(i
dont have all of the details).
Flex UI markup is XML / Tag based, and the scripting language is
ActionScript (based on ECMA Script).
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
mx:Application xmlns:mx=http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml;
xmlns=*
!-- this can also point to an external ActionScript file --
mx:Script
function onClick()
{
outputField.text = Hello World;
}
/mx:Script
mx:Button label=Hello id=button click=onClick() /
mx:TextArea id=outputField /
/mx:Application
mike chambers
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- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex
OKnow that I have more infoI have more questions ;-)
I saw in the Lazlo demo that it's tag basedlike so:
canvas
textHello World/text
/canvas
I've heard a bunch of folks mention AS 2 in relation to Flexnow
I'm
not
sure if the use of AS 2 equates to Lazlo's use of JavaScript OR if AS
2
equates to Lazlo's tag based usage?
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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