RE: Far Cry
Yes but HTH do I get it running on Apache 2.0.x? _ From: Geoff Bowers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 4:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Far Cry Sparrow-Hood, Walter wrote: Is anybody using FarCry? What has been your experience? We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. FarCry is an enterprise level solution.It is sophisticated and robust.It requires you to take some time to understand how the framework works -- but judging by the enthusiasm of the FarCry community I'd say that it's worth the effort.FarCry is designed to run as many sites as you want, the list of installations grows almost daily. Your best bet is to join the farcry-dev mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), try an installation and see how you get on.You'll know in a very short time if FarCry is for you. -- geoff http://farcry.daemon.com.au/ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I don't use it, but Lucas Sherwood (Macromedia) built the London CFUG site with it (http://www.ukcfug.org) along with the CFUG Manager (Niklas) and he seems to like it. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Certified Flash MX Developer CFDJList - List Administrator http://www.how2cf.com/ -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 05:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Lots of features. Difficult to manage. I've been playing with it for a few weeks, and while I like the content management functions, I don't like the fact that you need to dig into the code in order to create new templates. It seems much too complex for its target audience. -- Michael Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Far Cry Is anybody using FarCry?What has been your experience?We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. Walt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Its very good.It takes a little getting used to; but the underlying core code is sound and allows you to build very nice looking sites in very little time. and its free :-)We have all seen or worked on (and some even built) CMS tools which are the dogs etc... but this really has got to be one of the best I have worked with in the open source market.. Its based loosely on Spectra methodologies of Types, Objects and Handlers etc..but where Spectra lacked , FarCry pulls it all together! N _ From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 11:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I don't use it, but Lucas Sherwood (Macromedia) built the London CFUG site with it (http://www.ukcfug.org) along with the CFUG Manager (Niklas) and he seems to like it. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Certified Flash MX Developer CFDJList - List Administrator http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 05:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Lots of features. Difficult to manage. I've been playing with it for a few weeks, and while I like the content management functions, I don't like the fact that you need to dig into the code in order to create new templates. It seems much too complex for its target audience. -- Michael Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Far Cry Is anybody using FarCry?What has been your experience?We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. Walt _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I just tried to get to their web site and it appears down ?? -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Its very good.It takes a little getting used to; but the underlying core code is sound and allows you to build very nice looking sites in very little time. and its free :-)We have all seen or worked on (and some even built) CMS tools which are the dogs etc... but this really has got to be one of the best I have worked with in the open source market.. Its based loosely on Spectra methodologies of Types, Objects and Handlers etc..but where Spectra lacked , FarCry pulls it all together! N _ From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 11:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I don't use it, but Lucas Sherwood (Macromedia) built the London CFUG site with it (http://www.ukcfug.org) along with the CFUG Manager (Niklas) and he seems to like it. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Certified Flash MX Developer CFDJList - List Administrator http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 05:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Lots of features. Difficult to manage. I've been playing with it for a few weeks, and while I like the content management functions, I don't like the fact that you need to dig into the code in order to create new templates. It seems much too complex for its target audience. -- Michael Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Far Cry Is anybody using FarCry?What has been your experience?We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. Walt _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Yes, I have heard of this - mainly from people in the US?I will ping them and see whats up.I know there is a problem with one developer in FLA. N _ From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 12:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I just tried to get to their web site and it appears down ?? -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Its very good.It takes a little getting used to; but the underlying core code is sound and allows you to build very nice looking sites in very little time. and its free :-)We have all seen or worked on (and some even built) CMS tools which are the dogs etc... but this really has got to be one of the best I have worked with in the open source market.. Its based loosely on Spectra methodologies of Types, Objects and Handlers etc..but where Spectra lacked , FarCry pulls it all together! N _ From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 11:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I don't use it, but Lucas Sherwood (Macromedia) built the London CFUG site with it (http://www.ukcfug.org) along with the CFUG Manager (Niklas) and he seems to like it. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Certified Flash MX Developer CFDJList - List Administrator http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/http://www.how2cf.com/ -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 05:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Lots of features. Difficult to manage. I've been playing with it for a few weeks, and while I like the content management functions, I don't like the fact that you need to dig into the code in order to create new templates. It seems much too complex for its target audience. -- Michael Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Far Cry Is anybody using FarCry?What has been your experience?We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. Walt _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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OK all of this FarCry talk is getting me interested in trying it. I'm on the site now but I'm confused to which file to download to get started. Is it the Full install, the Aura, or Core? Or do I need all three. I'm sure the full install would be the one to get first but I'm not sure if I need the others. Neal Bailey Internet Marketing Manager UGA-Association Field Services E-mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Yes, I have heard of this - mainly from people in the US?I will ping them and see whats up.I know there is a problem with one developer in FLA. N _ From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 12:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I just tried to get to their web site and it appears down ?? -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Its very good.It takes a little getting used to; but the underlying core code is sound and allows you to build very nice looking sites in very little time. and its free :-)We have all seen or worked on (and some even built) CMS tools which are the dogs etc... but this really has got to be one of the best I have worked with in the open source market.. Its based loosely on Spectra methodologies of Types, Objects and Handlers etc..but where Spectra lacked , FarCry pulls it all together! N _ From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 11:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I don't use it, but Lucas Sherwood (Macromedia) built the London CFUG site with it (http://www.ukcfug.org) along with the CFUG Manager (Niklas) and he seems to like it. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Certified Flash MX Developer CFDJList - List Administrator http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 05:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Lots of features. Difficult to manage. I've been playing with it for a few weeks, and while I like the content management functions, I don't like the fact that you need to dig into the code in order to create new templates. It seems much too complex for its target audience. -- Michael Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Far Cry Is anybody using FarCry?What has been your experience?We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. Walt _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Hey Neal, If its a first time install you need the FULL install.The Core is what it says...the Core components which drive and run the system (Admin site) Aura is the sample site build using CSS and a limited amount of FarCry features for use.FourQ is the COAPI (Content Object Application Programming Interface) HTH N _ From: Bailey, Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 14:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry OK all of this FarCry talk is getting me interested in trying it. I'm on the site now but I'm confused to which file to download to get started. Is it the Full install, the Aura, or Core? Or do I need all three. I'm sure the full install would be the one to get first but I'm not sure if I need the others. Neal Bailey Internet Marketing Manager UGA-Association Field Services E-mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Yes, I have heard of this - mainly from people in the US?I will ping them and see whats up.I know there is a problem with one developer in FLA. N _ From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 12:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I just tried to get to their web site and it appears down ?? -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Its very good.It takes a little getting used to; but the underlying core code is sound and allows you to build very nice looking sites in very little time. and its free :-)We have all seen or worked on (and some even built) CMS tools which are the dogs etc... but this really has got to be one of the best I have worked with in the open source market.. Its based loosely on Spectra methodologies of Types, Objects and Handlers etc..but where Spectra lacked , FarCry pulls it all together! N _ From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 11:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I don't use it, but Lucas Sherwood (Macromedia) built the London CFUG site with it (http://www.ukcfug.org) along with the CFUG Manager (Niklas) and he seems to like it. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Certified Flash MX Developer CFDJList - List Administrator http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 05:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Lots of features. Difficult to manage. I've been playing with it for a few weeks, and while I like the content management functions, I don't like the fact that you need to dig into the code in order to create new templates. It seems much too complex for its target audience. -- Michael Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Far Cry Is anybody using FarCry?What has been your experience?We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. Walt _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I still can't get to the site... Is this the correct address: http://farcry.daemon.com.au -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Hey Neal, If its a first time install you need the FULL install.The Core is what it says...the Core components which drive and run the system (Admin site) Aura is the sample site build using CSS and a limited amount of FarCry features for use.FourQ is the COAPI (Content Object Application Programming Interface) HTH N _ From: Bailey, Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 14:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry OK all of this FarCry talk is getting me interested in trying it. I'm on the site now but I'm confused to which file to download to get started. Is it the Full install, the Aura, or Core? Or do I need all three. I'm sure the full install would be the one to get first but I'm not sure if I need the others. Neal Bailey Internet Marketing Manager UGA-Association Field Services E-mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Yes, I have heard of this - mainly from people in the US?I will ping them and see whats up.I know there is a problem with one developer in FLA. N _ From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 12:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I just tried to get to their web site and it appears down ?? -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Its very good.It takes a little getting used to; but the underlying core code is sound and allows you to build very nice looking sites in very little time. and its free :-)We have all seen or worked on (and some even built) CMS tools which are the dogs etc... but this really has got to be one of the best I have worked with in the open source market.. Its based loosely on Spectra methodologies of Types, Objects and Handlers etc..but where Spectra lacked , FarCry pulls it all together! N _ From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 11:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I don't use it, but Lucas Sherwood (Macromedia) built the London CFUG site with it (http://www.ukcfug.org) along with the CFUG Manager (Niklas) and he seems to like it. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Certified Flash MX Developer CFDJList - List Administrator http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 05:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Lots of features. Difficult to manage. I've been playing with it for a few weeks, and while I like the content management functions, I don't like the fact that you need to dig into the code in order to create new templates. It seems much too complex for its target audience. -- Michael Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Far Cry Is anybody using FarCry?What has been your experience?We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. Walt _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Thanks Neil, I figured as much... Now all I need to do is figure out how to install it. PS. The site is working good from in Dallas Texas but it's terribly slow. Neal Bailey Internet Marketing Manager UGA-Association Field Services E-mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Hey Neal, If its a first time install you need the FULL install.The Core is what it says...the Core components which drive and run the system (Admin site) Aura is the sample site build using CSS and a limited amount of FarCry features for use.FourQ is the COAPI (Content Object Application Programming Interface) HTH N _ From: Bailey, Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 14:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry OK all of this FarCry talk is getting me interested in trying it. I'm on the site now but I'm confused to which file to download to get started. Is it the Full install, the Aura, or Core? Or do I need all three. I'm sure the full install would be the one to get first but I'm not sure if I need the others. Neal Bailey Internet Marketing Manager UGA-Association Field Services E-mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Yes, I have heard of this - mainly from people in the US?I will ping them and see whats up.I know there is a problem with one developer in FLA. N _ From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 12:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I just tried to get to their web site and it appears down ?? -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Its very good.It takes a little getting used to; but the underlying core code is sound and allows you to build very nice looking sites in very little time. and its free :-)We have all seen or worked on (and some even built) CMS tools which are the dogs etc... but this really has got to be one of the best I have worked with in the open source market.. Its based loosely on Spectra methodologies of Types, Objects and Handlers etc..but where Spectra lacked , FarCry pulls it all together! N _ From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 11:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry I don't use it, but Lucas Sherwood (Macromedia) built the London CFUG site with it (http://www.ukcfug.org) along with the CFUG Manager (Niklas) and he seems to like it. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Certified Flash MX Developer CFDJList - List Administrator http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ http://www.how2cf.com/ -Original Message- From: Michael Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 05:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Far Cry Lots of features. Difficult to manage. I've been playing with it for a few weeks, and while I like the content management functions, I don't like the fact that you need to dig into the code in order to create new templates. It seems much too complex for its target audience. -- Michael Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Far Cry Is anybody using FarCry?What has been your experience?We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. Walt _ _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Macromedia inadvertantly sent out a large mailing that was using graphics from the Daemon domain. They do not have unlimited capacity which is why it slowed to a crawl. Should be fine by now. Peter Tilbrook Transitional Services - Enterprise eSolutions Centrelink (http://www.centrelink.gov.au) 2 Faulding Street Symonston ACT 2609 Tel: (02) 62115927 Bailey, Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] om cc: Subject:RE: Far Cry 04/02/2004 02:02 Please respond to cf-talk| [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Peter Tilbrook wrote: Yes but HTH do I get it running on Apache 2.0.x? Pete, there are technotes specifically on running with Apache.Plenty of people with fully operational sites running Apache.Best place to raise any installation issues is the farcry-dev mailing list. -- geoff http://farcry.daemon.com.au/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Lots of features. Difficult to manage. I've been playing with it for a few weeks, and while I like the content management functions, I don't like the fact that you need to dig into the code in order to create new templates. It seems much too complex for its target audience. -- Michael Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Far Cry Is anybody using FarCry?What has been your experience?We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. Walt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Sparrow-Hood, Walter wrote: Is anybody using FarCry? What has been your experience? We're thinking about using it to manage about 12+ global sites. FarCry is an enterprise level solution.It is sophisticated and robust.It requires you to take some time to understand how the framework works -- but judging by the enthusiasm of the FarCry community I'd say that it's worth the effort.FarCry is designed to run as many sites as you want, the list of installations grows almost daily. Your best bet is to join the farcry-dev mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), try an installation and see how you get on.You'll know in a very short time if FarCry is for you. -- geoff http://farcry.daemon.com.au/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Michael Wolfe wrote: Lots of features. Difficult to manage. I've been playing with it for a few weeks, and while I like the content management functions, I don't like the fact that you need to dig into the code in order to create new templates. It seems much too complex for its target audience. Creating templates in *any* CMS requires a degree of digging around in the code.FarCry templating is very straightforward -- the complexity, like any website, arises depending on how sophisticated your presenation layer is. A template in FarCry might be as simple as: cfoutput #stobj.title#br #stobj.body# /cfoutput You don't even need to know CF to put these things together.Hell you could just change the CSS style sheets that ship with the sample website. We have a multitude of people in the FarCry target audience building all sorts of incredible stuff.It's an open source solution with commercial support.If you want the product for free you have to actually spend some time to understand what is going on.I'd strongly suggest joining the farcry-dev mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- we help newbies get started everyday. Best regards, -- geoff http://farcry.daemon.com.au/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]