Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Pete Freitag wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K wrote: Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? Yes, if you pick an obscure distribution intended for hardcore linux users (for example Gentoo linux) you will have a hard time as a newbie. Pick one that is commonly used such as Redhat Enterprise Linux / CentOS or Ubuntu. I think the most important consideration for a new user is whether the software you want to install is available as a package or needs to be installed from source. If everything you want is a package, you can expect the different applications to integrate together quite easily and you can expect security updates to become available automatically. For us that typically means we install Apache, Tomcat7 and PostgreSQL from packages. This automatically installs dependencies such as Java and the modules to connect Apache to Tomcat. Then we add a configuration to forward requests for .cfm files from Apache to Tomcat and deploy a Railo WAR on Tomcat. From then on, the platform is easily updated from the package manager. We never use the official Railo installer: it may be easier for the initial installation, but being able to install security updates for all installed application with just one command is more important in the long run. Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358710 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
You can customize the location of the WEB-INF directory for each context (site): https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/railo/AEQGOlv4m0I This becomes particularly important when multiple contexts use a single code base (when clustering, some CMS's, etc). Just FYI. Warm Regards, Jordan Michaels On 05/28/2014 11:13 PM, Jaime Metcher wrote: but if you take the path of least resistance (use mod_cfml and make the Apache document root the same as the Tomcat context root) then at the very least you end up with a dirty big WEB-INF folder in your document root. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358711 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any other 'gotchas' moving from windows to linux? I did a presentation on Linux for CF users at cf.Objective() this year, my slides are here: http://slides.com/petefreitag/cf-on-linux#/ Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? Yes, if you pick an obscure distribution intended for hardcore linux users (for example Gentoo linux) you will have a hard time as a newbie. Pick one that is commonly used such as Redhat Enterprise Linux / CentOS or Ubuntu. I like RHEL/CentOS because they are pretty stable and they don't do bleeding edge, main bug/security fixes, you have to upgrade to the next major release to upgrade major versions of many packages. This has downsides too, for example RHEL/CentOS 6.x will only support Apache 2.2.x if you want Apache 2.4 you have to install it manually or wait for RHEL7. -- Pete Freitag - Adobe Community Professional http://foundeo.com/ - ColdFusion Consulting Products http://hackmycf.com - Is your ColdFusion Server Secure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubESB87vl5U - FuseGuard your CFML in 10 minutes ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358706 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
I like RHEL/CentOS because they are pretty stable and they don't do bleeding edge, main bug/security fixes, you have to upgrade to the next major release to upgrade major versions of many packages. Yeah what Pete said, I have been on Centos and RedHat for years. It is very stable but the package manager seems to be a few versions behind the latest release of software packages. This is mostly for security and stability reasons, i.e. they err on the side of caution. Which is fine and dandy with me. There are a multitude of hosting CF's out there what will automate a lot of, if not most, admin chores. But the downside of these are of course security concerns. The most infamous of which is Kloxo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kloxo#Security_issues So caveat emptor and do your research first. G! *Gerald Anthony Guido* Nullius in verba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullius_in_verba -- Horace Twitter https://twitter.com/CozmoTrouble Facebook https://www.facebook.com/gerald.guido.9 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Pete Freitag p...@foundeo.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any other 'gotchas' moving from windows to linux? I did a presentation on Linux for CF users at cf.Objective() this year, my slides are here: http://slides.com/petefreitag/cf-on-linux#/ Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? Yes, if you pick an obscure distribution intended for hardcore linux users (for example Gentoo linux) you will have a hard time as a newbie. Pick one that is commonly used such as Redhat Enterprise Linux / CentOS or Ubuntu. I like RHEL/CentOS because they are pretty stable and they don't do bleeding edge, main bug/security fixes, you have to upgrade to the next major release to upgrade major versions of many packages. This has downsides too, for example RHEL/CentOS 6.x will only support Apache 2.2.x if you want Apache 2.4 you have to install it manually or wait for RHEL7. -- Pete Freitag - Adobe Community Professional http://foundeo.com/ - ColdFusion Consulting Products http://hackmycf.com - Is your ColdFusion Server Secure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubESB87vl5U - FuseGuard your CFML in 10 minutes ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358708 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
We use CentOS extensively here at CFWT and have many customers using it as well. Very solid. -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:29 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ... I like RHEL/CentOS because they are pretty stable and they don't do bleeding edge, main bug/security fixes, you have to upgrade to the next major release to upgrade major versions of many packages. Yeah what Pete said, I have been on Centos and RedHat for years. It is very stable but the package manager seems to be a few versions behind the latest release of software packages. This is mostly for security and stability reasons, i.e. they err on the side of caution. Which is fine and dandy with me. There are a multitude of hosting CF's out there what will automate a lot of, if not most, admin chores. But the downside of these are of course security concerns. The most infamous of which is Kloxo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kloxo#Security_issues So caveat emptor and do your research first. G! *Gerald Anthony Guido* Nullius in verba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullius_in_verba -- Horace Twitter https://twitter.com/CozmoTrouble Facebook https://www.facebook.com/gerald.guido.9 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Pete Freitag p...@foundeo.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any other 'gotchas' moving from windows to linux? I did a presentation on Linux for CF users at cf.Objective() this year, my slides are here: http://slides.com/petefreitag/cf-on-linux#/ Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? Yes, if you pick an obscure distribution intended for hardcore linux users (for example Gentoo linux) you will have a hard time as a newbie. Pick one that is commonly used such as Redhat Enterprise Linux / CentOS or Ubuntu. I like RHEL/CentOS because they are pretty stable and they don't do bleeding edge, main bug/security fixes, you have to upgrade to the next major release to upgrade major versions of many packages. This has downsides too, for example RHEL/CentOS 6.x will only support Apache 2.2.x if you want Apache 2.4 you have to install it manually or wait for RHEL7. -- Pete Freitag - Adobe Community Professional http://foundeo.com/ - ColdFusion Consulting Products http://hackmycf.com - Is your ColdFusion Server Secure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubESB87vl5U - FuseGuard your CFML in 10 minutes ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358709 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Coming in a couple of months late here, but I've just been through a move from Windows/Adobe CF/MS SQL Server to Linux/Railo/MySQL and found a couple of things not previously mentioned. Windows - Linux: already covered above, but I'll just add that anything that turns into a file name (like CFC paths) is also included in the case-sensitivity issue. One issue that hit me was case inconsistency in strings stored in the database that were later used to build path names. AdobeCF - Railo: Even aside from the unsupported tags, syntax compatibility although very good is not 100%. See e.g. http://lagod.id.au/blog/?p=378. A lot of this will come down to coding style - your code might be completely fine. The big thing for me though is the way Apache and Tomcat work together. ACF goes to some lengths to disappear the Tomcat layer and make the whole thing look like a web server that miraculously knows what to do with cfm files. Railo is much more of a classic Tomcat app, in that it is definitely sitting behind the web server with its own separate configuration. I can go into more detail about the consequences of that if you like, but if you take the path of least resistance (use mod_cfml and make the Apache document root the same as the Tomcat context root) then at the very least you end up with a dirty big WEB-INF folder in your document root. MSSQL - MySQL: CRUD queries will almost certainly be fine. Heavy-weight slicing and dicing queries probably won't. There are lots of differences in DDL (I have a very home-brewed set of regexes that did the trick for me - happy to share). Stored procedures will need to be completely rewritten. Many functions are different, but most have direct equivalents. One gotcha is that when MySQL is running on Linux, database object names (e.g. table names) are case sensitive. That sounds like a lot, but it is perfectly feasible to have one codebase that will deploy and run happily in both environments (that might not be a requirement for you, but it does illustrate that the differences are not major). My total changeover time was about six weeks, but I was completely reworking my build and provisioning procedures at the same time. Feel free to ping me on or off list if you want any more detail on any of this. Jaime On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you everybody, I'm glad I asked.I have changed my plan now. Cameron and others made a good point. I was trying to do too many thing at once. My plan now is to get a new hosting environment as similar as possible to my current one, so its gives me the most chance that I'll be able to just copy everything over and most of it will work as is. Then work from there on the transition to Linux or the cloud and Railo in two more steps. Thanks to a suggestion from another member of this list off-list I'm not going with the cloud just yet, I'll go with a VPS at Viviotech and work from there. So far every question I've asked they have said yes we can do that all you do is Once again this group helps me out. In this case, I can see if I had gone with my original plan, it MIGHT have worked out ok, but with my luck the odds were that it would give me a lot of grief before it was all said and done.Thank you all I'll let you know how it all turns out. Cheers Mike Kear On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Money Pit websitema...@gmail.com wrote: Having been there/done that myself, I would follow Cameron's described route. You don't want to be debugging so many different issues at once on an OS you aren't intimately familiar with (and maybe not familiar at all). You mentioned you are on Win2003. Have you by chance missed out on running CF on a 64-bit Win OS? That was like manna from heaven when I first switched. Consider a Windows VPS from Viviotech. They can license you a copy of CF Enterprise *very* inexpensively. They are surprisingly robust for the prices charged, they are CF-literate and an excellent firm on general principles. From there consider leasing another Windows VPS and put Railo on it (Viviotech will do this for you for a small setup fee or for free IIRC). Then tinker away, migrate a low-profile site over when you're ready etc. This is what I did with my personal sites. You could take it a step further and after mastering Railo, retire the Windows/Railo VPS, fire up one with linux and start over again on the tinkering so you limit your issues to that part of the change. If you need more horsepower and have the budget for a CF license, look at the blade servers at Cybercon; check out their hardware configs. I don't see how you can beat those prices. My servers there have been absolutely reliable. -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Order the Adobe
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Thanks for the details. Have you considered dping a blog post detailing the process Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 May 2014 07:13, Jaime Metcher jmetc...@gmail.com wrote: Coming in a couple of months late here, but I've just been through a move from Windows/Adobe CF/MS SQL Server to Linux/Railo/MySQL and found a couple of things not previously mentioned. Windows - Linux: already covered above, but I'll just add that anything that turns into a file name (like CFC paths) is also included in the case-sensitivity issue. One issue that hit me was case inconsistency in strings stored in the database that were later used to build path names. AdobeCF - Railo: Even aside from the unsupported tags, syntax compatibility although very good is not 100%. See e.g. http://lagod.id.au/blog/?p=378. A lot of this will come down to coding style - your code might be completely fine. The big thing for me though is the way Apache and Tomcat work together. ACF goes to some lengths to disappear the Tomcat layer and make the whole thing look like a web server that miraculously knows what to do with cfm files. Railo is much more of a classic Tomcat app, in that it is definitely sitting behind the web server with its own separate configuration. I can go into more detail about the consequences of that if you like, but if you take the path of least resistance (use mod_cfml and make the Apache document root the same as the Tomcat context root) then at the very least you end up with a dirty big WEB-INF folder in your document root. MSSQL - MySQL: CRUD queries will almost certainly be fine. Heavy-weight slicing and dicing queries probably won't. There are lots of differences in DDL (I have a very home-brewed set of regexes that did the trick for me - happy to share). Stored procedures will need to be completely rewritten. Many functions are different, but most have direct equivalents. One gotcha is that when MySQL is running on Linux, database object names (e.g. table names) are case sensitive. That sounds like a lot, but it is perfectly feasible to have one codebase that will deploy and run happily in both environments (that might not be a requirement for you, but it does illustrate that the differences are not major). My total changeover time was about six weeks, but I was completely reworking my build and provisioning procedures at the same time. Feel free to ping me on or off list if you want any more detail on any of this. Jaime On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you everybody, I'm glad I asked.I have changed my plan now. Cameron and others made a good point. I was trying to do too many thing at once. My plan now is to get a new hosting environment as similar as possible to my current one, so its gives me the most chance that I'll be able to just copy everything over and most of it will work as is. Then work from there on the transition to Linux or the cloud and Railo in two more steps. Thanks to a suggestion from another member of this list off-list I'm not going with the cloud just yet, I'll go with a VPS at Viviotech and work from there. So far every question I've asked they have said yes we can do that all you do is Once again this group helps me out. In this case, I can see if I had gone with my original plan, it MIGHT have worked out ok, but with my luck the odds were that it would give me a lot of grief before it was all said and done.Thank you all I'll let you know how it all turns out. Cheers Mike Kear On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Money Pit websitema...@gmail.com wrote: Having been there/done that myself, I would follow Cameron's described route. You don't want to be debugging so many different issues at once on an OS you aren't intimately familiar with (and maybe not familiar at all). You mentioned you are on Win2003. Have you by chance missed out on running CF on a 64-bit Win OS? That was like manna from heaven when I first switched. Consider a Windows VPS from Viviotech. They can license you a copy of CF Enterprise *very* inexpensively. They are surprisingly robust for the prices charged, they are CF-literate and an excellent firm on general principles. From there consider leasing another Windows VPS and put Railo on it (Viviotech will do this for you for a small setup fee or for free IIRC). Then tinker away, migrate a low-profile site over when you're ready etc. This is what I did with my personal sites. You could take it a step further and after mastering Railo, retire the Windows/Railo VPS, fire up one with linux and start over again on the tinkering so you limit your issues to that part of the change. If you need more horsepower and have the budget for a CF license, look at the blade
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K wrote: I am thinking of a virtual server in the cloud, moving to Linux and Railo from Windows2003 Server and ColdFusion. We are working on a similar move with a client right now and here's what advise I can give based on the decisions we made. Only change one thing at a time. You're contemplating changing 3 things at a time. If you are going to most hosts, move hosts and stay on Win/CF for now. If the site is important to your business (and it sounds like it is) am a big proponent of only changing one thing at a time. It sounds like your real immediate problem is hosting, I would solve that problem first. If you want to manage the servers yourself, look at Amazon or RackSpace or one of the cloud providers and move to windows VMs running there. Moving to a VM should be relatively straightforward and since this is the most urgent thing, I would do this one first. It should be the quickest, though you may have to deal with things like getting outbound email routed/whitelisted properly. I would bet you are thinking about moving to Linux/Railo since you're about to be responsible for license costs all the sudden that you don't have and are not cheap. Valid reason, but I would wait. Pay the extra money for the short term and move the code over to Linux/Railo later. Moving to Linux/Railo is not a bad move at all, and you can probably do these at the same time. However, you're probably going to want to spend some quality time with the code first. Sometimes it's easy as cake and no modifications are required tot he code at all. Sometimes it's more complex. I'm guessing you'll want to move to something like MySQL or another lower cost DB server as well. Just make sure that you give yourself some time to play with the Linux/Railo setup before you make the final move. Lastly, you might take a quick peek at RightScale for cloud server management / configuration management. It's basically Chef/Puppet scripts you can glue together to automate server deployments across various cloud platforms. The single user version is free last time I checked. http://www.rightscale.com/ -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358174 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Mike, Based on what youve outlined below, and what youre already aware of, I would say the biggest challenge for your migration is going to be in migrating the databases from SQLServer. That one can tricky but there are a number of good tools out there to help you do that. In answer to your other questions: A) 1) The case-sensitivity is the big issue with existing apps. For relative paths in your apps, make sure you take a look at any hard-coded path delimiters as well and change back-slashes to slashes. The other challenges come on the differences in the configuration side of things. 2) Linux distros are a matter of preference, and the debate can rage on forever. That said, CentOS is the winner in my book, hands down, for Coldfusion web application servers and for most dedicated database servers. The distro is active, well maintained, and just about every module or library you would need is actively developed to be compatible with CentOS/RedHat. Ubuntu is a solid server distro as well, but falls a bit short to CentOS, IMHO, as a CF/Railo platform. B) Yes, the move is relatively painless - even more so with Railo 4 than it was with Railo 3. You may have some pain if you have apps that create or manipulate PDFs extensively for reporting or CFChart as you may find some differences in the way they are rendered. The unsupported tags list will help you there as it identifies where there are differences in functionality: https://github.com/getrailo/railo/wiki/CFML-tags-that-are-not-supported You will miss the ability to drop a CF application in to a new webroot and go, but configuring the server.xml file for a new site is relatively painless. You can also install mod_cfml to automate the process: http://www.modcfml.org/ A Control Panel is really helpful for administering multiple clients. VirtualMin is my preference among Linux CPs. HTH, Jon On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Yes yes yes, I know its been done and done again here.I'd like to know the opinion of some of you who've been down this road a few times - its quite a while since I've moved hosts.. here's my issue: I need to move to a new hosting company from the one I have my small business sites on. These are the mom-pop businesses that make up quite a bit of my business.Typically they're relatively stable sites with a SQLServer2005 database in a shared hosting environment. My hosting wholesaler has pissed me off once too often and I am going to move that part of my business somewhere else. I am thinking of a virtual server in the cloud, moving to Linux and Railo from Windows2003 Server and ColdFusion. [A] OS move: I'm aware from past experience that I'm going to get some links that fail because Linux is case sensitive in filenames and Windows isnt. I've tried to be disciplined in using filenames because of that but I just know there are going to be some links or cflocations that fail on that account. Are there any other 'gotchas' moving from windows to linux? Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? [B] Server environment move: How about moving from ColdFusion (currently v9) to Railo?Is it REALLY compatible? Am i really likely to be able to just copy my files to a Railo environment and have most of them work ok? What's been your experience with that move? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358175 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
I will also mention, that running on Windows doe snot need to incur any license costs Most VPS hosts will give you Windows Server Web Edition for free, and some can give ANY edition for FREE, because it doesn't cost them anything on your SPLA licensing model. You can also run Railo and CF together on the same server quite happily. On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K wrote: I am thinking of a virtual server in the cloud, moving to Linux and Railo from Windows2003 Server and ColdFusion. We are working on a similar move with a client right now and here's what advise I can give based on the decisions we made. Only change one thing at a time. You're contemplating changing 3 things at a time. If you are going to most hosts, move hosts and stay on Win/CF for now. If the site is important to your business (and it sounds like it is) am a big proponent of only changing one thing at a time. It sounds like your real immediate problem is hosting, I would solve that problem first. If you want to manage the servers yourself, look at Amazon or RackSpace or one of the cloud providers and move to windows VMs running there. Moving to a VM should be relatively straightforward and since this is the most urgent thing, I would do this one first. It should be the quickest, though you may have to deal with things like getting outbound email routed/whitelisted properly. I would bet you are thinking about moving to Linux/Railo since you're about to be responsible for license costs all the sudden that you don't have and are not cheap. Valid reason, but I would wait. Pay the extra money for the short term and move the code over to Linux/Railo later. Moving to Linux/Railo is not a bad move at all, and you can probably do these at the same time. However, you're probably going to want to spend some quality time with the code first. Sometimes it's easy as cake and no modifications are required tot he code at all. Sometimes it's more complex. I'm guessing you'll want to move to something like MySQL or another lower cost DB server as well. Just make sure that you give yourself some time to play with the Linux/Railo setup before you make the final move. Lastly, you might take a quick peek at RightScale for cloud server management / configuration management. It's basically Chef/Puppet scripts you can glue together to automate server deployments across various cloud platforms. The single user version is free last time I checked. http://www.rightscale.com/ -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358176 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Having been there/done that myself, I would follow Cameron's described route. You don't want to be debugging so many different issues at once on an OS you aren't intimately familiar with (and maybe not familiar at all). You mentioned you are on Win2003. Have you by chance missed out on running CF on a 64-bit Win OS? That was like manna from heaven when I first switched. Consider a Windows VPS from Viviotech. They can license you a copy of CF Enterprise *very* inexpensively. They are surprisingly robust for the prices charged, they are CF-literate and an excellent firm on general principles. From there consider leasing another Windows VPS and put Railo on it (Viviotech will do this for you for a small setup fee or for free IIRC). Then tinker away, migrate a low-profile site over when you're ready etc. This is what I did with my personal sites. You could take it a step further and after mastering Railo, retire the Windows/Railo VPS, fire up one with linux and start over again on the tinkering so you limit your issues to that part of the change. If you need more horsepower and have the budget for a CF license, look at the blade servers at Cybercon; check out their hardware configs. I don't see how you can beat those prices. My servers there have been absolutely reliable. -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358179 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Thank you everybody, I'm glad I asked.I have changed my plan now. Cameron and others made a good point. I was trying to do too many thing at once. My plan now is to get a new hosting environment as similar as possible to my current one, so its gives me the most chance that I'll be able to just copy everything over and most of it will work as is. Then work from there on the transition to Linux or the cloud and Railo in two more steps. Thanks to a suggestion from another member of this list off-list I'm not going with the cloud just yet, I'll go with a VPS at Viviotech and work from there. So far every question I've asked they have said yes we can do that all you do is Once again this group helps me out. In this case, I can see if I had gone with my original plan, it MIGHT have worked out ok, but with my luck the odds were that it would give me a lot of grief before it was all said and done.Thank you all I'll let you know how it all turns out. Cheers Mike Kear On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Money Pit websitema...@gmail.com wrote: Having been there/done that myself, I would follow Cameron's described route. You don't want to be debugging so many different issues at once on an OS you aren't intimately familiar with (and maybe not familiar at all). You mentioned you are on Win2003. Have you by chance missed out on running CF on a 64-bit Win OS? That was like manna from heaven when I first switched. Consider a Windows VPS from Viviotech. They can license you a copy of CF Enterprise *very* inexpensively. They are surprisingly robust for the prices charged, they are CF-literate and an excellent firm on general principles. From there consider leasing another Windows VPS and put Railo on it (Viviotech will do this for you for a small setup fee or for free IIRC). Then tinker away, migrate a low-profile site over when you're ready etc. This is what I did with my personal sites. You could take it a step further and after mastering Railo, retire the Windows/Railo VPS, fire up one with linux and start over again on the tinkering so you limit your issues to that part of the change. If you need more horsepower and have the budget for a CF license, look at the blade servers at Cybercon; check out their hardware configs. I don't see how you can beat those prices. My servers there have been absolutely reliable. -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358215 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
