Re: Quick Survey
Results: http://imgur.com/eMzZkKP 6 - .NET 5 - PHP 5 - Ruby on Rails 4 - Python 4 - Groovy / Grails 3 - node.js 2 - AngularJS 1 - Java On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG One question, You've used CFML as your primary source of income for one or more years. Now / soon you are learning / will learn which of the following because you believe it may be / become a better source of income? Please let me know if this survey (or similar) has already been done in the last six months or so. I will share results next week. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358287 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Quick Survey
H. Limiting the pool of respondents. Releasing a poll like that can easily be twisted. I wouldn't be surprised to see your poll quoted in six months as CF is dying because all of its developers are jumping ship. Not even one decided to stick with CF! While polls are good for information, they can be twisted easily. Steve -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Quick Survey P.S. None / sticking with CFML for now people need not take survey. :-) This is just for people who're specifically learning a new, non-CFML language for income reasons. For those people only, I'm wondering, which one(s)? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG One question, You've used CFML as your primary source of income for one or more years. Now / soon you are learning / will learn which of the following because you believe it may be / become a better source of income? Please let me know if this survey (or similar) has already been done in the last six months or so. I will share results next week. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358089 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
I think I'm being pretty open about what I'm researching. But, in case I'm not, I'll say it here and when I publish the results: poll does not count / quantify people who're choosing not to learn a new language at this time. I only care about, for people who are, which one? On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:29 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J sd1...@att.com wrote: H. Limiting the pool of respondents. Releasing a poll like that can easily be twisted. I wouldn't be surprised to see your poll quoted in six months as CF is dying because all of its developers are jumping ship. Not even one decided to stick with CF! While polls are good for information, they can be twisted easily. Steve -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Quick Survey P.S. None / sticking with CFML for now people need not take survey. :-) This is just for people who're specifically learning a new, non-CFML language for income reasons. For those people only, I'm wondering, which one(s)? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG One question, You've used CFML as your primary source of income for one or more years. Now / soon you are learning / will learn which of the following because you believe it may be / become a better source of income? Please let me know if this survey (or similar) has already been done in the last six months or so. I will share results next week. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358090 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
It doesn't matter - it is a Rule of CF-Talk that once every 6 months that thread must be reborn. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:29 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J sd1...@att.com wrote: H. Limiting the pool of respondents. Releasing a poll like that can easily be twisted. I wouldn't be surprised to see your poll quoted in six months as CF is dying because all of its developers are jumping ship. Not even one decided to stick with CF! While polls are good for information, they can be twisted easily. Steve -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Quick Survey P.S. None / sticking with CFML for now people need not take survey. :-) This is just for people who're specifically learning a new, non-CFML language for income reasons. For those people only, I'm wondering, which one(s)? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG One question, You've used CFML as your primary source of income for one or more years. Now / soon you are learning / will learn which of the following because you believe it may be / become a better source of income? Please let me know if this survey (or similar) has already been done in the last six months or so. I will share results next week. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358091 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
I hope that was written with a :-) Jedi. :-) I understand. I've been here for years. I honestly did not intend this to be another of those threads. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: It doesn't matter - it is a Rule of CF-Talk that once every 6 months that thread must be reborn. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:29 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J sd1...@att.com wrote: H. Limiting the pool of respondents. Releasing a poll like that can easily be twisted. I wouldn't be surprised to see your poll quoted in six months as CF is dying because all of its developers are jumping ship. Not even one decided to stick with CF! While polls are good for information, they can be twisted easily. Steve -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Quick Survey P.S. None / sticking with CFML for now people need not take survey. :-) This is just for people who're specifically learning a new, non-CFML language for income reasons. For those people only, I'm wondering, which one(s)? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG One question, You've used CFML as your primary source of income for one or more years. Now / soon you are learning / will learn which of the following because you believe it may be / become a better source of income? Please let me know if this survey (or similar) has already been done in the last six months or so. I will share results next week. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358092 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
It wasn't - but the frustration wasn't towards you at all - just the general tiredness of it happening here so often. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:12 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that was written with a :-) Jedi. :-) I understand. I've been here for years. I honestly did not intend this to be another of those threads. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't matter - it is a Rule of CF-Talk that once every 6 months that thread must be reborn. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:29 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J sd1...@att.com wrote: H. Limiting the pool of respondents. Releasing a poll like that can easily be twisted. I wouldn't be surprised to see your poll quoted in six months as CF is dying because all of its developers are jumping ship. Not even one decided to stick with CF! While polls are good for information, they can be twisted easily. Steve -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Quick Survey P.S. None / sticking with CFML for now people need not take survey. :-) This is just for people who're specifically learning a new, non-CFML language for income reasons. For those people only, I'm wondering, which one(s)? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG One question, You've used CFML as your primary source of income for one or more years. Now / soon you are learning / will learn which of the following because you believe it may be / become a better source of income? Please let me know if this survey (or similar) has already been done in the last six months or so. I will share results next week. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
I'm also tired of it. So, I'll reiterate one more time: this is not a count of people (likely) moving away from CFML versus people (likely) not moving away from CFML. This is: for people (likely) moving away from CFML, to what? I'll blissfully assume that 2/3 - 3/4 of the people on this list are not going to take this survey because they're not moving away from CFML. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: It wasn't - but the frustration wasn't towards you at all - just the general tiredness of it happening here so often. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:12 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that was written with a :-) Jedi. :-) I understand. I've been here for years. I honestly did not intend this to be another of those threads. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't matter - it is a Rule of CF-Talk that once every 6 months that thread must be reborn. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:29 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J sd1...@att.com wrote: H. Limiting the pool of respondents. Releasing a poll like that can easily be twisted. I wouldn't be surprised to see your poll quoted in six months as CF is dying because all of its developers are jumping ship. Not even one decided to stick with CF! While polls are good for information, they can be twisted easily. Steve -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Quick Survey P.S. None / sticking with CFML for now people need not take survey. :-) This is just for people who're specifically learning a new, non-CFML language for income reasons. For those people only, I'm wondering, which one(s)? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG One question, You've used CFML as your primary source of income for one or more years. Now / soon you are learning / will learn which of the following because you believe it may be / become a better source of income? Please let me know if this survey (or similar) has already been done in the last six months or so. I will share results next week. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358094 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 8:21 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: I'll blissfully assume that 2/3 - 3/4 of the people on this list are not going to take this survey because they're not moving away from CFML. That's the wrong assumption. It should be: I'll blissfully assume that 2/3 - 3/4 of the people on this list are not going to take this survey because the subject line isn't CF is dead. :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358095 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
:-) On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 8:21 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: I'll blissfully assume that 2/3 - 3/4 of the people on this list are not going to take this survey because they're not moving away from CFML. That's the wrong assumption. It should be: I'll blissfully assume that 2/3 - 3/4 of the people on this list are not going to take this survey because the subject line isn't CF is dead. :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358096 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
Surveys are interesting, but caution must be used in looking at the results. A lot of the analysis on what to learn depends on the developer's background, location, industry, age, etc. For example, someone nearing retirement would look at it differently than a 30 year old person. Someone in RTP, SV, NYC, Austin, or Boston would look at it differently than someone in Montana or Tulsa. If all you know is web development the answer might be different than someone with a deep CS education. I guess if I had to pick one, I would move to Python or some functional language like Clojure. (Wait, that's not just one.) If all I was after is money, I might look at moving to a job as a DBA or moving into the MS space as those are advertised a lot. While I plan on staying with CF, I'm also learning a lot of other things since that is what developers do. John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: P.S. None / sticking with CFML for now people need not take survey. :-) This is just for people who're specifically learning a new, non-CFML language for income reasons. For those people only, I'm wondering, which one(s)? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG One question, You've used CFML as your primary source of income for one or more years. Now / soon you are learning / will learn which of the following because you believe it may be / become a better source of income? Please let me know if this survey (or similar) has already been done in the last six months or so. I will share results next week. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358097 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
Survey allows for picking multiple answers. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Roger Austin raust...@nc.rr.com wrote: Surveys are interesting, but caution must be used in looking at the results. A lot of the analysis on what to learn depends on the developer's background, location, industry, age, etc. For example, someone nearing retirement would look at it differently than a 30 year old person. Someone in RTP, SV, NYC, Austin, or Boston would look at it differently than someone in Montana or Tulsa. If all you know is web development the answer might be different than someone with a deep CS education. I guess if I had to pick one, I would move to Python or some functional language like Clojure. (Wait, that's not just one.) If all I was after is money, I might look at moving to a job as a DBA or moving into the MS space as those are advertised a lot. While I plan on staying with CF, I'm also learning a lot of other things since that is what developers do. John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: P.S. None / sticking with CFML for now people need not take survey. :-) This is just for people who're specifically learning a new, non-CFML language for income reasons. For those people only, I'm wondering, which one(s)? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG One question, You've used CFML as your primary source of income for one or more years. Now / soon you are learning / will learn which of the following because you believe it may be / become a better source of income? Please let me know if this survey (or similar) has already been done in the last six months or so. I will share results next week. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358098 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Quick Survey
I'd love to stick with CF as I've used to it successfully to solve almost every client request that's ever been asked... and some of them have been very complex and convoluted. However, with Adobe's lack of support and marketing CF has become too hard of a sell... we're moving to PHP now. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_williams -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Quick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358099 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Quick Survey
It wasn't - but the frustration wasn't towards you at all - just the general tiredness of it happening here so often. If others are like me they don't want to see CF die. For me, responding to these posts has always been in the hopes Adobe monitors this list and would hear the cries of their loyal fans... but alas, Adobe has been mute and has fallen short. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358100 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
@Robert Did you looked into Railo? If clients don't want to use Adobe Coldfusion due to the recent bad news, I've been recently able to sell Railo to them instead. 2014-03-26 13:40 GMT+01:00 Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com: I'd love to stick with CF as I've used to it successfully to solve almost every client request that's ever been asked... and some of them have been very complex and convoluted. However, with Adobe's lack of support and marketing CF has become too hard of a sell... we're moving to PHP now. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_williams -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Quick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358101 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Quick Survey
@Robert Did you looked into Railo? If clients don't want to use Adobe Coldfusion due to the recent bad news, I've been recently able to sell Railo to them instead. It's not recent bad news that caused this. It's been a long slow decline that Adobe has failed to address with any marketing or rebranding initiatives. The perception of the technology, the limitations and costs of available hosts, the limited number of developers, and the facts that no IT departments (that I know of) teach ColdFusion as part of their curriculum is the issue. Adobe could has long since addressed all of these issues. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_wi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358102 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
To show how things can be twisted... poll does not count / quantify people who're choosing not to learn a new language at this time. So it doesn't count people who are giving up programing altogether. :) On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: @Robert Did you looked into Railo? If clients don't want to use Adobe Coldfusion due to the recent bad news, I've been recently able to sell Railo to them instead. It's not recent bad news that caused this. It's been a long slow decline that Adobe has failed to address with any marketing or rebranding initiatives. The perception of the technology, the limitations and costs of available hosts, the limited number of developers, and the facts that no IT departments (that I know of) teach ColdFusion as part of their curriculum is the issue. Adobe could has long since addressed all of these issues. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_wi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358104 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
Correct. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: To show how things can be twisted... poll does not count / quantify people who're choosing not to learn a new language at this time. So it doesn't count people who are giving up programing altogether. :) On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: @Robert Did you looked into Railo? If clients don't want to use Adobe Coldfusion due to the recent bad news, I've been recently able to sell Railo to them instead. It's not recent bad news that caused this. It's been a long slow decline that Adobe has failed to address with any marketing or rebranding initiatives. The perception of the technology, the limitations and costs of available hosts, the limited number of developers, and the facts that no IT departments (that I know of) teach ColdFusion as part of their curriculum is the issue. Adobe could has long since addressed all of these issues. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_wi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358116 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
*Throws keyboard in the air and gives programming¹ the finger while walking away* On 3/26/14, 9:20 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.com wrote: To show how things can be twisted... poll does not count / quantify people who're choosing not to learn a new language at this time. So it doesn't count people who are giving up programing altogether. :) On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: @Robert Did you looked into Railo? If clients don't want to use Adobe Coldfusion due to the recent bad news, I've been recently able to sell Railo to them instead. It's not recent bad news that caused this. It's been a long slow decline that Adobe has failed to address with any marketing or rebranding initiatives. The perception of the technology, the limitations and costs of available hosts, the limited number of developers, and the facts that no IT departments (that I know of) teach ColdFusion as part of their curriculum is the issue. Adobe could has long since addressed all of these issues. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_wi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358127 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Quick Survey
P.S. None / sticking with CFML for now people need not take survey. :-) This is just for people who're specifically learning a new, non-CFML language for income reasons. For those people only, I'm wondering, which one(s)? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG One question, You've used CFML as your primary source of income for one or more years. Now / soon you are learning / will learn which of the following because you believe it may be / become a better source of income? Please let me know if this survey (or similar) has already been done in the last six months or so. I will share results next week. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5XYDGRG -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss -- John Bliss - http://www.linkedin.com/in/jbliss ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358088 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
