RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
From Scott Stroz: UNSUBSCRIBE Scott, I know you're probably unsubscribing because of the incivility shown on this list in the last couple of days...and it has been bad. However, there is a lot to be gained from monitoring and participating in this list. I would never have been able to get a business based on web design that utilizing Cold Fusion without it. It's not always this bad...usually, it's quite civil. Now, to speak the CF-Talk family...forgive my forwardness in speaking to the group like this, but this little family has begun to act like too many real families. Unable to carry on conversation without argument, sometimes profanity, undue criticism, etc. Many real families fall apart when it gets like this...the same is true for online families and I think, if my instinct is correct, that Scott Stroz may be the first victim of this CF family's misbehavior. We need to temper criticism of other people and, especially, their websites and products. Criticism can be constructive and given in that light is usually welcome by the producers. But the kind of criticism, even lately of free products, has been quite over-the-top. I think some of us need a vacation, or at least more sleep and less caffeine! In groups like this one, it's easy for the inner circle to become very familiar with each other and, like in all personal relationships, get a little too relaxed with what we say. People who sign up for the form, because of their interest in Cold Fusion and need for help, will quickly abandon this list, not get the help they need, and perhaps abandon Cold Fusion, itself. This doesn't help any of us in the long run and especially the person in need in the short run. Notice, I'm not using capital letters, so I'm not yelling at anyone...this is just a call of encouragement for all of us to be careful in our conduct and etiquette on this list. There are constantly new people checking out what's going on that we never know are watching. We need to show them this is a place of help and comradery, not of heated criticism, petty sniping, and destructive argument. People show up here in need of help...not just with the code, but with the difficulty of dealing with the situations they're in which drove here in the first place. Personally, I'm tough enough to stick out the troubled moments we have here to get the benefits from this list. But for the sake of those who won't stick around long enough to see what a great resource this list is, I encourage everyone to play nice... Thanks for indulging my concerns... Rick Rick Faircloth, White Stone Media -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone used these tools? UNSUBSCRIBE ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198420 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
Rick, I was joking. The guy from smartsurfonline said it was easy to unsubscribe to their mailing list. I was taking an unprovoked jab at him. I love CF-Talk, the humor, the drama, the mud slinging...oh, yea, there sometimes some good tech related stuff here too ;-) Scott On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Scott Stroz: UNSUBSCRIBE Scott, I know you're probably unsubscribing because of the incivility shown on this list in the last couple of days...and it has been bad. However, there is a lot to be gained from monitoring and participating in this list. I would never have been able to get a business based on web design that utilizing Cold Fusion without it. It's not always this bad...usually, it's quite civil. Now, to speak the CF-Talk family...forgive my forwardness in speaking to the group like this, but this little family has begun to act like too many real families. Unable to carry on conversation without argument, sometimes profanity, undue criticism, etc. Many real families fall apart when it gets like this...the same is true for online families and I think, if my instinct is correct, that Scott Stroz may be the first victim of this CF family's misbehavior. We need to temper criticism of other people and, especially, their websites and products. Criticism can be constructive and given in that light is usually welcome by the producers. But the kind of criticism, even lately of free products, has been quite over-the-top. I think some of us need a vacation, or at least more sleep and less caffeine! In groups like this one, it's easy for the inner circle to become very familiar with each other and, like in all personal relationships, get a little too relaxed with what we say. People who sign up for the form, because of their interest in Cold Fusion and need for help, will quickly abandon this list, not get the help they need, and perhaps abandon Cold Fusion, itself. This doesn't help any of us in the long run and especially the person in need in the short run. Notice, I'm not using capital letters, so I'm not yelling at anyone...this is just a call of encouragement for all of us to be careful in our conduct and etiquette on this list. There are constantly new people checking out what's going on that we never know are watching. We need to show them this is a place of help and comradery, not of heated criticism, petty sniping, and destructive argument. People show up here in need of help...not just with the code, but with the difficulty of dealing with the situations they're in which drove here in the first place. Personally, I'm tough enough to stick out the troubled moments we have here to get the benefits from this list. But for the sake of those who won't stick around long enough to see what a great resource this list is, I encourage everyone to play nice... Thanks for indulging my concerns... Rick Rick Faircloth, White Stone Media -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone used these tools? UNSUBSCRIBE ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198424 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
Everyone should also be aware that with Google, etc., forum and list posts now live on much longer than the week or so they are in your inbox. So, watch what you say as it may haunt you for a very long time. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198425 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
Thanks, Rick... Good words... good thoughts. I'm always for the idea of getting more sleep, but I'm not sure anybody wants to see what I'm like on less caffeine. It gets ugly. I do appreciate the honesty around here, and there's little of the backbiting that happens in so many communities after they've matured enough to have an inner circle or regs as other communities call them. I think, honestly, that some of the sharper comments I've made lately may have been mitigated by getting more sleep... and if I've contributed to the discomfort of others by making those statements... well... I'd feel bad. It's often very hard to discern the fine line between calling a spade a spade and being unduly harsh... perhaps I crossed a line along the way. If so, my apologies to all offended. Thanks again, Rick, for the reminder that there's always *people* behind these black-on-white lines of text. Laterz, J On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Scott Stroz: UNSUBSCRIBE Scott, I know you're probably unsubscribing because of the incivility shown on this list in the last couple of days...and it has been bad. However, there is a lot to be gained from monitoring and participating in this list. I would never have been able to get a business based on web design that utilizing Cold Fusion without it. It's not always this bad...usually, it's quite civil. Now, to speak the CF-Talk family...forgive my forwardness in speaking to the group like this, but this little family has begun to act like too many real families. Unable to carry on conversation without argument, sometimes profanity, undue criticism, etc. Many real families fall apart when it gets like this...the same is true for online families and I think, if my instinct is correct, that Scott Stroz may be the first victim of this CF family's misbehavior. We need to temper criticism of other people and, especially, their websites and products. Criticism can be constructive and given in that light is usually welcome by the producers. But the kind of criticism, even lately of free products, has been quite over-the-top. I think some of us need a vacation, or at least more sleep and less caffeine! snippages -- Continuum Media Group LLC Burnsville, MN 55337 http://www.web-relevant.com http://cfobjective.neo.servequake.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198426 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
Very, very true. I found this list when I realized that many of the issues I've had with CF were properly dealt with here through google. If you want to see what a potential client or employer could find on you, just type your email that you use for the list into google... I'll be very shocked if your posts aren't pulled. Kevin [kes geek] Coldfusion Remote Dashboard http://www.keslabs.com/crd -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz Everyone should also be aware that with Google, etc., forum and list posts now live on much longer than the week or so they are in your inbox. So, watch what you say as it may haunt you for a very long time. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198429 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
Scott, I enjoy the humor, *some* of the drama, and good-natured ribbing, but some of it, profanity, abusive trashing other's works and sites, criticism of someone who lets the community know of *free* tools they've created and are inviting people to use and getting verbally abused for it...a lot of that stuff needs to go... It's not good for the list. Glad you're sticking around :o) I'd be interested in knowing how many people sign up for the list and how many people unsubscribe by the month...any chance Michael might share numbers or just maybe some insight into how what goes on here affects subscriptions? Rick -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz Rick, I was joking. The guy from smartsurfonline said it was easy to unsubscribe to their mailing list. I was taking an unprovoked jab at him. I love CF-Talk, the humor, the drama, the mud slinging...oh, yea, there sometimes some good tech related stuff here too ;-) Scott On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Scott Stroz: UNSUBSCRIBE Scott, I know you're probably unsubscribing because of the incivility shown on this list in the last couple of days...and it has been bad. However, there is a lot to be gained from monitoring and participating in this list. I would never have been able to get a business based on web design that utilizing Cold Fusion without it. It's not always this bad...usually, it's quite civil. Now, to speak the CF-Talk family...forgive my forwardness in speaking to the group like this, but this little family has begun to act like too many real families. Unable to carry on conversation without argument, sometimes profanity, undue criticism, etc. Many real families fall apart when it gets like this...the same is true for online families and I think, if my instinct is correct, that Scott Stroz may be the first victim of this CF family's misbehavior. We need to temper criticism of other people and, especially, their websites and products. Criticism can be constructive and given in that light is usually welcome by the producers. But the kind of criticism, even lately of free products, has been quite over-the-top. I think some of us need a vacation, or at least more sleep and less caffeine! In groups like this one, it's easy for the inner circle to become very familiar with each other and, like in all personal relationships, get a little too relaxed with what we say. People who sign up for the form, because of their interest in Cold Fusion and need for help, will quickly abandon this list, not get the help they need, and perhaps abandon Cold Fusion, itself. This doesn't help any of us in the long run and especially the person in need in the short run. Notice, I'm not using capital letters, so I'm not yelling at anyone...this is just a call of encouragement for all of us to be careful in our conduct and etiquette on this list. There are constantly new people checking out what's going on that we never know are watching. We need to show them this is a place of help and comradery, not of heated criticism, petty sniping, and destructive argument. People show up here in need of help...not just with the code, but with the difficulty of dealing with the situations they're in which drove here in the first place. Personally, I'm tough enough to stick out the troubled moments we have here to get the benefits from this list. But for the sake of those who won't stick around long enough to see what a great resource this list is, I encourage everyone to play nice... Thanks for indulging my concerns... Rick Rick Faircloth, White Stone Media -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone used these tools? UNSUBSCRIBE ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198432 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
I've often wondered how many people actually subscribe to each list (talk and comm). Seems like the same handful post all the time, just wondering how many lurkers are out there. :) Ray At 01:09 PM 3/11/2005, you wrote: Scott, I enjoy the humor, *some* of the drama, and good-natured ribbing, but some of it, profanity, abusive trashing other's works and sites, criticism of someone who lets the community know of *free* tools they've created and are inviting people to use and getting verbally abused for it...a lot of that stuff needs to go... It's not good for the list. Glad you're sticking around :o) I'd be interested in knowing how many people sign up for the list and how many people unsubscribe by the month...any chance Michael might share numbers or just maybe some insight into how what goes on here affects subscriptions? Rick -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz Rick, I was joking. The guy from smartsurfonline said it was easy to unsubscribe to their mailing list. I was taking an unprovoked jab at him. I love CF-Talk, the humor, the drama, the mud slinging...oh, yea, there sometimes some good tech related stuff here too ;-) Scott On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Scott Stroz: UNSUBSCRIBE Scott, I know you're probably unsubscribing because of the incivility shown on this list in the last couple of days...and it has been bad. However, there is a lot to be gained from monitoring and participating in this list. I would never have been able to get a business based on web design that utilizing Cold Fusion without it. It's not always this bad...usually, it's quite civil. Now, to speak the CF-Talk family...forgive my forwardness in speaking to the group like this, but this little family has begun to act like too many real families. Unable to carry on conversation without argument, sometimes profanity, undue criticism, etc. Many real families fall apart when it gets like this...the same is true for online families and I think, if my instinct is correct, that Scott Stroz may be the first victim of this CF family's misbehavior. We need to temper criticism of other people and, especially, their websites and products. Criticism can be constructive and given in that light is usually welcome by the producers. But the kind of criticism, even lately of free products, has been quite over-the-top. I think some of us need a vacation, or at least more sleep and less caffeine! In groups like this one, it's easy for the inner circle to become very familiar with each other and, like in all personal relationships, get a little too relaxed with what we say. People who sign up for the form, because of their interest in Cold Fusion and need for help, will quickly abandon this list, not get the help they need, and perhaps abandon Cold Fusion, itself. This doesn't help any of us in the long run and especially the person in need in the short run. Notice, I'm not using capital letters, so I'm not yelling at anyone...this is just a call of encouragement for all of us to be careful in our conduct and etiquette on this list. There are constantly new people checking out what's going on that we never know are watching. We need to show them this is a place of help and comradery, not of heated criticism, petty sniping, and destructive argument. People show up here in need of help...not just with the code, but with the difficulty of dealing with the situations they're in which drove here in the first place. Personally, I'm tough enough to stick out the troubled moments we have here to get the benefits from this list. But for the sake of those who won't stick around long enough to see what a great resource this list is, I encourage everyone to play nice... Thanks for indulging my concerns... Rick Rick Faircloth, White Stone Media -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone used these tools? UNSUBSCRIBE ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198437 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
After a quite a few years of using software in various aspects of my business... operating systems, video production software, database software, and Cold Fusion, etc.,...I've learned that before I spend a penny on software I should find a place where the people that use that software gather to discuss it's use. I don't have to even participate to get an idea of the quality of the software and the community of users that I'll probably depend on to use it. Based on the kind of comments, and potential assistance from lists like this one, I'll make a decision whether or not to invest in that software. With more and more companies becoming practically unapproachable for support without spending lots of dollars, it's important to know there are communities surrounding products that can help with issues that come up without entering a firestorm. plug I will put in a plug for one company, however...Linksys (Cisco)...I've used their inexpensive routers for several years now with good performance, but when I have a problem, I can call a free 800 number, and talk to technicians as long as I need to and never have to pay a dime. I'm not sure how they afford to offer that level of support for free, but I'll always be a customer because of it... /plug But, back to CF-Talk...this place has been like a gold mine for me... and I want it to keep that polished sheen... Rick -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz I've often wondered how many people actually subscribe to each list (talk and comm). Seems like the same handful post all the time, just wondering how many lurkers are out there. :) Ray At 01:09 PM 3/11/2005, you wrote: Scott, I enjoy the humor, *some* of the drama, and good-natured ribbing, but some of it, profanity, abusive trashing other's works and sites, criticism of someone who lets the community know of *free* tools they've created and are inviting people to use and getting verbally abused for it...a lot of that stuff needs to go... It's not good for the list. Glad you're sticking around :o) I'd be interested in knowing how many people sign up for the list and how many people unsubscribe by the month...any chance Michael might share numbers or just maybe some insight into how what goes on here affects subscriptions? Rick -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz Rick, I was joking. The guy from smartsurfonline said it was easy to unsubscribe to their mailing list. I was taking an unprovoked jab at him. I love CF-Talk, the humor, the drama, the mud slinging...oh, yea, there sometimes some good tech related stuff here too ;-) Scott On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Scott Stroz: UNSUBSCRIBE Scott, I know you're probably unsubscribing because of the incivility shown on this list in the last couple of days...and it has been bad. However, there is a lot to be gained from monitoring and participating in this list. I would never have been able to get a business based on web design that utilizing Cold Fusion without it. It's not always this bad...usually, it's quite civil. Now, to speak the CF-Talk family...forgive my forwardness in speaking to the group like this, but this little family has begun to act like too many real families. Unable to carry on conversation without argument, sometimes profanity, undue criticism, etc. Many real families fall apart when it gets like this...the same is true for online families and I think, if my instinct is correct, that Scott Stroz may be the first victim of this CF family's misbehavior. We need to temper criticism of other people and, especially, their websites and products. Criticism can be constructive and given in that light is usually welcome by the producers. But the kind of criticism, even lately of free products, has been quite over-the-top. I think some of us need a vacation, or at least more sleep and less caffeine! In groups like this one, it's easy for the inner circle to become very familiar with each other and, like in all personal relationships, get a little too relaxed with what we say. People who sign up for the form, because of their interest in Cold Fusion and need for help, will quickly abandon this list, not get the help they need, and perhaps abandon Cold Fusion, itself. This doesn't help any of us in the long run and especially the person in need in the short run. Notice, I'm not using capital letters, so I'm not yelling at anyone...this is just a call of encouragement for all of us to be careful in our conduct and etiquette on this list. There are constantly new people checking out what's going on that we never know
Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
2669 on CF-Talk 565 on CF-Community We also have a LOT of people on the RSS feeds and using the archives (which have been upgraded again). I don't keep records of when someone leaves a list or joins up. Maybe I should, but it's really useless data to me. What's more important is getting the name of House of Fusion out there as a community resource and providing for the ColdFusion community. I've often wondered how many people actually subscribe to each list (talk and comm). Seems like the same handful post all the time, just wondering how many lurkers are out there. :) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198447 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
Cool, thanks for the info. I am surprised at the community numbers. I thought it would be less than that. Seems like we have about 50 ppl who post on a normal basis. Lurkers, come out of the woodwork! :) Ray At 01:29 PM 3/11/2005, you wrote: 2669 on CF-Talk 565 on CF-Community We also have a LOT of people on the RSS feeds and using the archives (which have been upgraded again). I don't keep records of when someone leaves a list or joins up. Maybe I should, but it's really useless data to me. What's more important is getting the name of House of Fusion out there as a community resource and providing for the ColdFusion community. I've often wondered how many people actually subscribe to each list (talk and comm). Seems like the same handful post all the time, just wondering how many lurkers are out there. :) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198448 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:36:48 -0500, Ray Champagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool, thanks for the info. I am surprised at the community numbers. I thought it would be less than that. Seems like we have about 50 ppl who post on a normal basis. Lurkers, come out of the woodwork! :) And face the wrath of 'The List'...I shudder at the thought ;-) -- Scott Stroz Boyzoid.com ___ Some days you are the dog, Some days you are the tree. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198450 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
Lurkers, come out of the woodwork! :) They probably will, when they're sure they won't be squashed like a roach if they make an appearance and dare utter any words which might draw the ire of some on this list... Rick -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz Cool, thanks for the info. I am surprised at the community numbers. I thought it would be less than that. Seems like we have about 50 ppl who post on a normal basis. Lurkers, come out of the woodwork! :) Ray At 01:29 PM 3/11/2005, you wrote: 2669 on CF-Talk 565 on CF-Community We also have a LOT of people on the RSS feeds and using the archives (which have been upgraded again). I don't keep records of when someone leaves a list or joins up. Maybe I should, but it's really useless data to me. What's more important is getting the name of House of Fusion out there as a community resource and providing for the ColdFusion community. I've often wondered how many people actually subscribe to each list (talk and comm). Seems like the same handful post all the time, just wondering how many lurkers are out there. :) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198451 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] They probably will, when they're sure they won't be squashed like a roach if they make an appearance and dare utter any words which might draw the ire of some on this list... I think everyone is overreacting a little here... the list gets worked up now and then but everything calms down in a couple hours or a couple days... no big deal. One other point.. A lot of potential employers have people on this list so the more BS you partake in might come back to bite you in the ass if you find yourself looking for CF work and run into someone you didn't know on here... but knows you! :-) Mike ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198453 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well, we are both Lurkers as well as cowards. Many of you have so much experience with this language that I generally don't answer posts because someone else out their beats me to the punch with a much better answer. So fear of posting an incorrect answer may run high. It does with me :-)) Andy -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne Cool, thanks for the info. I am surprised at the community numbers. I thought it would be less than that. Seems like we have about 50 ppl who post on a normal basis. Lurkers, come out of the woodwork! :) Ray At 01:29 PM 3/11/2005, you wrote: 2669 on CF-Talk 565 on CF-Community We also have a LOT of people on the RSS feeds and using the archives (which have been upgraded again). I don't keep records of when someone leaves a list or joins up. Maybe I should, but it's really useless data to me. What's more important is getting the name of House of Fusion out there as a community resource and providing for the ColdFusion community. I've often wondered how many people actually subscribe to each list (talk and comm). Seems like the same handful post all the time, just wondering how many lurkers are out there. :) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198456 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
i try to be good lol From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:48 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz Lurkers, come out of the woodwork! :) They probably will, when they're sure they won't be squashed like a roach if they make an appearance and dare utter any words which might draw the ire of some on this list... Rick -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz Cool, thanks for the info. I am surprised at the community numbers. I thought it would be less than that. Seems like we have about 50 ppl who post on a normal basis. Lurkers, come out of the woodwork! :) Ray At 01:29 PM 3/11/2005, you wrote: 2669 on CF-Talk 565 on CF-Community We also have a LOT of people on the RSS feeds and using the archives (which have been upgraded again). I don't keep records of when someone leaves a list or joins up. Maybe I should, but it's really useless data to me. What's more important is getting the name of House of Fusion out there as a community resource and providing for the ColdFusion community. I've often wondered how many people actually subscribe to each list (talk and comm). Seems like the same handful post all the time, just wondering how many lurkers are out there. :) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198463 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
I think the problem is that you tried out a few diff newletter systems so ppl might have been caught between or trying to unsubscribe to one that isn't there anymore. From: Scott Stroz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz Rick, I was joking. The guy from smartsurfonline said it was easy to unsubscribe to their mailing list. I was taking an unprovoked jab at him. I love CF-Talk, the humor, the drama, the mud slinging...oh, yea, there sometimes some good tech related stuff here too ;-) Scott On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth wrote: From Scott Stroz: UNSUBSCRIBE Scott, I know you're probably unsubscribing because of the incivility shown on this list in the last couple of days...and it has been bad. However, there is a lot to be gained from monitoring and participating in this list. I would never have been able to get a business based on web design that utilizing Cold Fusion without it. It's not always this bad...usually, it's quite civil. Now, to speak the CF-Talk family...forgive my forwardness in speaking to the group like this, but this little family has begun to act like too many real families. Unable to carry on conversation without argument, sometimes profanity, undue criticism, etc. Many real families fall apart when it gets like this...the same is true for online families and I think, if my instinct is correct, that Scott Stroz may be the first victim of this CF family's misbehavior. We need to temper criticism of other people and, especially, their websites and products. Criticism can be constructive and given in that light is usually welcome by the producers. But the kind of criticism, even lately of free products, has been quite over-the-top. I think some of us need a vacation, or at least more sleep and less caffeine! In groups like this one, it's easy for the inner circle to become very familiar with each other and, like in all personal relationships, get a little too relaxed with what we say. People who sign up for the form, because of their interest in Cold Fusion and need for help, will quickly abandon this list, not get the help they need, and perhaps abandon Cold Fusion, itself. This doesn't help any of us in the long run and especially the person in need in the short run. Notice, I'm not using capital letters, so I'm not yelling at anyone...this is just a call of encouragement for all of us to be careful in our conduct and etiquette on this list. There are constantly new people checking out what's going on that we never know are watching. We need to show them this is a place of help and comradery, not of heated criticism, petty sniping, and destructive argument. People show up here in need of help...not just with the code, but with the difficulty of dealing with the situations they're in which drove here in the first place. Personally, I'm tough enough to stick out the troubled moments we have here to get the benefits from this list. But for the sake of those who won't stick around long enough to see what a great resource this list is, I encourage everyone to play nice... Thanks for indulging my concerns... Rick Rick Faircloth, White Stone Media -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone used these tools? UNSUBSCRIBE ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198464 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
It does get heated but thats also where a lot of the good info comes out that otherwise wouldnt. As far as employers and such, well I can see both sides of the argument but I would want someone on my team that is a free thinker and not afraid to speak his/her mind, it doesn't mean I have to always agree with them. After all most businesses that do well are ones with at least a lil bit of friction in them, it also pulls out more ideas, solutions. If you think the friction here is bad, try working in an ER with ppl who haven't slept in 3 days, this is nothing. From: Michael T. Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:54 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] They probably will, when they're sure they won't be squashed like a roach if they make an appearance and dare utter any words which might draw the ire of some on this list... I think everyone is overreacting a little here... the list gets worked up now and then but everything calms down in a couple hours or a couple days... no big deal. One other point.. A lot of potential employers have people on this list so the more BS you partake in might come back to bite you in the ass if you find yourself looking for CF work and run into someone you didn't know on here... but knows you! :-) Mike ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198478 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
i think that if someone doesnt hire me, becuase im being me, then i wouldnt want that job in the first place if i cant be me, then who am i? tw On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:42:16 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the problem is that you tried out a few diff newletter systems so ppl might have been caught between or trying to unsubscribe to one that isn't there anymore. From: Scott Stroz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz Rick, I was joking. The guy from smartsurfonline said it was easy to unsubscribe to their mailing list. I was taking an unprovoked jab at him. I love CF-Talk, the humor, the drama, the mud slinging...oh, yea, there sometimes some good tech related stuff here too ;-) Scott On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth wrote: From Scott Stroz: UNSUBSCRIBE Scott, I know you're probably unsubscribing because of the incivility shown on this list in the last couple of days...and it has been bad. However, there is a lot to be gained from monitoring and participating in this list. I would never have been able to get a business based on web design that utilizing Cold Fusion without it. It's not always this bad...usually, it's quite civil. Now, to speak the CF-Talk family...forgive my forwardness in speaking to the group like this, but this little family has begun to act like too many real families. Unable to carry on conversation without argument, sometimes profanity, undue criticism, etc. Many real families fall apart when it gets like this...the same is true for online families and I think, if my instinct is correct, that Scott Stroz may be the first victim of this CF family's misbehavior. We need to temper criticism of other people and, especially, their websites and products. Criticism can be constructive and given in that light is usually welcome by the producers. But the kind of criticism, even lately of free products, has been quite over-the-top. I think some of us need a vacation, or at least more sleep and less caffeine! In groups like this one, it's easy for the inner circle to become very familiar with each other and, like in all personal relationships, get a little too relaxed with what we say. People who sign up for the form, because of their interest in Cold Fusion and need for help, will quickly abandon this list, not get the help they need, and perhaps abandon Cold Fusion, itself. This doesn't help any of us in the long run and especially the person in need in the short run. Notice, I'm not using capital letters, so I'm not yelling at anyone...this is just a call of encouragement for all of us to be careful in our conduct and etiquette on this list. There are constantly new people checking out what's going on that we never know are watching. We need to show them this is a place of help and comradery, not of heated criticism, petty sniping, and destructive argument. People show up here in need of help...not just with the code, but with the difficulty of dealing with the situations they're in which drove here in the first place. Personally, I'm tough enough to stick out the troubled moments we have here to get the benefits from this list. But for the sake of those who won't stick around long enough to see what a great resource this list is, I encourage everyone to play nice... Thanks for indulging my concerns... Rick Rick Faircloth, White Stone Media -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone used these tools? UNSUBSCRIBE ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198482 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz
if i cant be me, then who am i? Vanilla Ice. Oh wait, was that supposed to be a riddle? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198488 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
