Re: adobe certification site
That is coming soon! We have the help ready to go as a standalone eclipse help package... the only problem now is actually getting it to find stuff for you. Looking into this soon! MD On 12 Apr 2006, at 19:57, Bryan Stevenson wrote: Naw, nothing's better than cfquickdocs. ;) Not knocking cfQuickDocsbut you can't beat built-in help in CF Studio or Homesite +.sure wish the help worked in CFEClipse and was local instead of grabbing it online ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: RE: adobe certification site I guess, the smart thing to do in this case is probably to take these lists of functions and argument orders and print it out in some way that makes the most sense to you as a reminder. Print it large enough to be seen at a distance and tape it to the wall behind your monitor. :) Sounds like the Macromedia CF tags/functions poster. I've got it on my wall, but the text is so small it's not really usable (unless I want to get up from my chair and get really close). I like it more for decoration. :) Might save you the hassle of having to look it up, even in spite of how nice cfquickdocs is. :) Naw, nothing's better than cfquickdocs. ;) [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237668 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
John, Hi how are you? I didn't see the email from integral7.com. Must be lost in my spam filter. Can you enlighten me I'd like to check. Kevin -- Original Message -- From: John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:34:02 +0100 I updated my Adobe certification profile the other week when the email arrived from integral7.com, has anyone else been demoted from an Advanced CF Developer to a CF Developer? It's there in the list but for some reason I've been demoted.. anyone else? john. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237496 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
yep, me too... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#B Except when i log into https://i7lp.integral7.com/durango/do/login?ownername=adobechannel=adobebasechannel=prometric i only show up as a Certified Developer...most odd jb On 4/11/06, Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, I'm still an Advanced whatsit... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#L -Original Message- From: John Beynon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 April 2006 20:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: adobe certification site I updated my Adobe certification profile the other week when the email arrived from integral7.com, has anyone else been demoted from an Advanced CF Developer to a CF Developer? It's there in the list but for some reason I've been demoted.. anyone else? john. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237497 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
Mine too.I think by the looks of it they've mucked up the transfer of the data from Macromedia's database to Adobe's. Probably using SQLServer2005 where you can't copy tables from one database to another. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Downgraded without reason or explanation to Adobe Certified ColdFusion Developer. AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/12/06, John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, me too... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#B Except when i log into https://i7lp.integral7.com/durango/do/login?ownername=adobechannel=adobebasechannel=prometric i only show up as a Certified Developer...most odd jb On 4/11/06, Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, I'm still an Advanced whatsit... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#L -Original Message- From: John Beynon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 April 2006 20:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: adobe certification site I updated my Adobe certification profile the other week when the email arrived from integral7.com, has anyone else been demoted from an Advanced CF Developer to a CF Developer? It's there in the list but for some reason I've been demoted.. anyone else? john. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237501 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
cool (or not!) least it shows i'm not an isolated incident...any one else? I've emailed the [EMAIL PROTECTED] email address and got a ticket number so I'll let them know I'm not the only person affected when i hear bak from them cheers, john. On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine too.I think by the looks of it they've mucked up the transfer of the data from Macromedia's database to Adobe's. Probably using SQLServer2005 where you can't copy tables from one database to another. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Downgraded without reason or explanation to Adobe Certified ColdFusion Developer. AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/12/06, John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, me too... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#B Except when i log into https://i7lp.integral7.com/durango/do/login?ownername=adobechannel=adobebasechannel=prometric i only show up as a Certified Developer...most odd jb On 4/11/06, Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, I'm still an Advanced whatsit... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#L -Original Message- From: John Beynon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 April 2006 20:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: adobe certification site I updated my Adobe certification profile the other week when the email arrived from integral7.com, has anyone else been demoted from an Advanced CF Developer to a CF Developer? It's there in the list but for some reason I've been demoted.. anyone else? john. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237503 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
Well, I thought you all were crazy. But then I checked...and you're not :-) Macrodobe has me listed correctly (http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23544#W), but the certification site does not. Maybe it's just a recording flaw. On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine too.I think by the looks of it they've mucked up the transfer of the data from Macromedia's database to Adobe's. Probably using SQLServer2005 where you can't copy tables from one database to another. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Downgraded without reason or explanation to Adobe Certified ColdFusion Developer. AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/12/06, John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, me too... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#B Except when i log into https://i7lp.integral7.com/durango/do/login?ownername=adobechannel=adobebasechannel=prometric i only show up as a Certified Developer...most odd jb On 4/11/06, Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, I'm still an Advanced whatsit... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#L -Original Message- From: John Beynon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 April 2006 20:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: adobe certification site I updated my Adobe certification profile the other week when the email arrived from integral7.com, has anyone else been demoted from an Advanced CF Developer to a CF Developer? It's there in the list but for some reason I've been demoted.. anyone else? john. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237504 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
I show up as an advanced developer on the Macromedia site, but the advanced word is not used on the integral7 site. -Mike Chabot On 4/12/06, John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cool (or not!) least it shows i'm not an isolated incident...any one else? I've emailed the [EMAIL PROTECTED] email address and got a ticket number so I'll let them know I'm not the only person affected when i hear bak from them cheers, john. On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine too.I think by the looks of it they've mucked up the transfer of the data from Macromedia's database to Adobe's. Probably using SQLServer2005 where you can't copy tables from one database to another. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Downgraded without reason or explanation to Adobe Certified ColdFusion Developer. AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/12/06, John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, me too... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#B Except when i log into https://i7lp.integral7.com/durango/do/login?ownername=adobechannel=adobebasechannel=prometric i only show up as a Certified Developer...most odd jb On 4/11/06, Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, I'm still an Advanced whatsit... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#L -Original Message- From: John Beynon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 April 2006 20:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: adobe certification site I updated my Adobe certification profile the other week when the email arrived from integral7.com, has anyone else been demoted from an Advanced CF Developer to a CF Developer? It's there in the list but for some reason I've been demoted.. anyone else? john. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237505 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
Yes, Advanced is used on that site. There is a category called Certified Advanced Coldfusion MX Developer, and one called Certified Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Developer, as well as the one we seem to have been downgraded to:Certified ColdFusion MX Developer. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/12/06, Mike Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I show up as an advanced developer on the Macromedia site, but the advanced word is not used on the integral7 site. -Mike Chabot ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237508 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
The same happaned to me - and I helped write the cert! ;) On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine too.I think by the looks of it they've mucked up the transfer of the data from Macromedia's database to Adobe's. Probably using SQLServer2005 where you can't copy tables from one database to another. -- === Raymond Camden, Director of Development for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237509 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
You're probably like the rest of us Ray, now we're part of Adobe, we have to live by a higher standard and therefore we dont know enough. You'll have to study up again. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/12/06, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same happaned to me - and I helped write the cert! ;) On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine too.I think by the looks of it they've mucked up the transfer of the data from Macromedia's database to Adobe's. Probably using SQLServer2005 where you can't copy tables from one database to another. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237511 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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:-) That made me chuckle a bit... hehe Yves On 4/12/06, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same happaned to me - and I helped write the cert! ;) On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine too.I think by the looks of it they've mucked up the transfer of the data from Macromedia's database to Adobe's. Probably using SQLServer2005 where you can't copy tables from one database to another. -- === Raymond Camden, Director of Development for Mindseye, Inc ( www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237512 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
Dang it. I have to be honest, I've never been able to remember the order or arguments for Find(). Thank god for CFE and code hinting. ;) On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're probably like the rest of us Ray, now we're part of Adobe, we have to live by a higher standard and therefore we dont know enough. You'll have to study up again. -- === Raymond Camden, Director of Development for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237513 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
A PHP programmer I work with said needle, haystack. It actually helps me remember. It's really irritating that MM wasn't consistent with the argument ordering across their variables. It should ALWAYS be variable first. !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site Dang it. I have to be honest, I've never been able to remember the order or arguments for Find(). Thank god for CFE and code hinting. ;) On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're probably like the rest of us Ray, now we're part of Adobe, we have to live by a higher standard and therefore we dont know enough. You'll have to study up again. -- === Raymond Camden, Director of Development for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com Yahoo IM : cfjedimaster My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237520 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
The one that annoys me is the use of eq in a CFIF, but = in a CFSET.Does anyone know if there is a reason for the difference, or is it that they were written by different people or something? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/13/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A PHP programmer I work with said needle, haystack. It actually helps me remember. It's really irritating that MM wasn't consistent with the argument ordering across their variables. It should ALWAYS be variable first. !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237522 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
Why is it variable=foo and if (variable==foo) in JavaScript? -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site The one that annoys me is the use of eq in a CFIF, but = in a CFSET.Does anyone know if there is a reason for the difference, or is it that they were written by different people or something? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237523 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
They do two totally different things, its the difference in = and ==, one is setting a variable equal to something, one is testing for equality... On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one that annoys me is the use of eq in a CFIF, but = in a CFSET.Does anyone know if there is a reason for the difference, or is it that they were written by different people or something? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/13/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A PHP programmer I work with said needle, haystack. It actually helps me remember. It's really irritating that MM wasn't consistent with the argument ordering across their variables. It should ALWAYS be variable first. !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237524 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
= is an assignment operator, not a comparison operator. EQ and IS are comparison operators. I wouldn't say it's an inconsistency. It actually makes a little more sense. With that said, I screw it up all the time. However, one thing that's helped me is that at MAX in New Orleans we covered some performance tips and if you use EQ on numerical comparisons and IS on string comparisons, the performance will be better. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site The one that annoys me is the use of eq in a CFIF, but = in a CFSET.Does anyone know if there is a reason for the difference, or is it that they were written by different people or something? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/13/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A PHP programmer I work with said needle, haystack. It actually helps me remember. It's really irritating that MM wasn't consistent with the argument ordering across their variables. It should ALWAYS be variable first. !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237525 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFML syntax (was RE: adobe certification site)
-Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:49 AM The one that annoys me is the use of eq in a CFIF, but = in a CFSET.Does anyone know if there is a reason for the difference, or is it that they were written by different people or something? Can't answer the specific, but most languages use different symbols/notation for assignment vs comparison, they're just trying to make it easier for newbies. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237526 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
= variable assignment == comparison operator (like , , =, =, !=) one sets a value. one compares value1 to value2 On 4/12/06, Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it variable=foo and if (variable==foo) in JavaScript? -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site The one that annoys me is the use of eq in a CFIF, but = in a CFSET.Does anyone know if there is a reason for the difference, or is it that they were written by different people or something? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237527 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
Ummm...I know. I was trying to point out that CF is not the only language that uses different symbols for assignment and comparison. -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site = variable assignment == comparison operator (like , , =, =, !=) one sets a value. one compares value1 to value2 On 4/12/06, Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it variable=foo and if (variable==foo) in JavaScript? -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site The one that annoys me is the use of eq in a CFIF, but = in a CFSET.Does anyone know if there is a reason for the difference, or is it that they were written by different people or something? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237528 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
But at least they're similar symbols and not totally different. At least be consistent in your inconsistency. !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: adobe certification site Ummm...I know. I was trying to point out that CF is not the only language that uses different symbols for assignment and comparison. -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site = variable assignment == comparison operator (like , , =, =, !=) one sets a value. one compares value1 to value2 On 4/12/06, Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it variable=foo and if (variable==foo) in JavaScript? -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site The one that annoys me is the use of eq in a CFIF, but = in a CFSET.Does anyone know if there is a reason for the difference, or is it that they were written by different people or something? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237530 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
Hey guys, my Adobe contact says that the cert people are aware of the problem and it will be fixed soon. -ray ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237553 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFML syntax (was RE: adobe certification site)
they're just trying to make it easier for newbies. Actually, I think the purpose is rather to make it easier for the compiler. This whole thing starter with Algol, if I remember correctly, which introduced the := symbol for assignment. It was then used by Pascal, which was the first Formal language. Personnally, I'm not impressed by a language easier to compile, since the main purpose of a language is not to be compiled, but used by programers. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237556 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
Well it's at least consistent across find vs. replace functions. :) find findnocase refind refindnocase all use needle, haystack replace replacenocase rereplace rereplacenocase all use haystack, needle, new needle Personally I don't have any problems remembering it (anymore), but I don't disagree that it's kinda silly. A PHP programmer I work with said needle, haystack. It actually helps me remember. It's really irritating that MM wasn't consistent with the argument ordering across their variables. It should ALWAYS be variable first. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site Dang it. I have to be honest, I've never been able to remember the order or arguments for Find(). Thank god for CFE and code hinting. ;) On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're probably like the rest of us Ray, now we're part of Adobe, we have to live by a higher standard and therefore we dont know enough. You'll have to study up again. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237559 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
The choice of is and is not for ColdFusion was made for the sake of making the language easier to read for English speakers. (Yes I know not everybody speaks english.) I assume they picked up on the fact that the average person finds C style operators a tad cryptic and chose to use something that would be a little less cryptic (at least for Englishs peakers), hence is, is not, gt, gte, lt and lte -- I'm not sure how eq and neq came about specifcially. I believe that this is speculation on your part. My theory is that they used English language operators because angle brackets would increase the difficulty of parsing CFIF statements. I think that, had this not been an issue, more traditional operators would have been used. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237560 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I'll chime in as another ID10T that can't remember. cfQuickDocs gets a workout whenever I'm doing a lot of replacement work. I can remember find okay, but always want to use the same format for replace. On 4/12/06, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it's at least consistent across find vs. replace functions. :) find findnocase refind refindnocase all use needle, haystack replace replacenocase rereplace rereplacenocase all use haystack, needle, new needle Personally I don't have any problems remembering it (anymore), but I don't disagree that it's kinda silly. A PHP programmer I work with said needle, haystack. It actually helps me remember. It's really irritating that MM wasn't consistent with the argument ordering across their variables. It should ALWAYS be variable first. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site Dang it. I have to be honest, I've never been able to remember the order or arguments for Find(). Thank god for CFE and code hinting. ;) On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're probably like the rest of us Ray, now we're part of Adobe, we have to live by a higher standard and therefore we dont know enough. You'll have to study up again. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237562 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
The choice of is and is not for ColdFusion was made for the sake of making the language easier to read for English speakers. (Yes I know not everybody speaks english.) I assume they picked up on the fact that the average person finds C style operators a tad cryptic and chose to use something that would be a little less cryptic (at least for Englishs peakers), hence is, is not, gt, gte, lt and lte -- I'm not sure how eq and neq came about specifcially. I believe that this is speculation on your part. My theory is that they used English language operators because angle brackets would increase the difficulty of parsing CFIF statements. I think that, had this not been an issue, more traditional operators would have been used. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Okay I'll buy that. So there are 2 theories about it. :) s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237564 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
= is an assignment operator, not a comparison operator. EQ and IS are comparison operators. I wouldn't say it's an inconsistency. It actually makes a little more sense. With that said, I screw it up all the time. However, one thing that's helped me is that at MAX in New Orleans we covered some performance tips and if you use EQ on numerical comparisons and IS on string comparisons, the performance will be better. I remembered someone saying this had been debunked as something that was true at one point in time but no longer true with recent versions of CF, like the idea that cfscript is faster than tags or the fact that iif() is slow compared to equivalent cfif and cfset statements. Both of these two latter examples are items which were true once upon a time, but not with recent versions. Or so I've heard. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237569 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
I guess, the smart thing to do in this case is probably to take these lists of functions and argument orders and print it out in some way that makes the most sense to you as a reminder. Print it large enough to be seen at a distance and tape it to the wall behind your monitor. :) Might save you the hassle of having to look it up, even in spite of how nice cfquickdocs is. :) I'll chime in as another ID10T that can't remember. cfQuickDocs gets a workout whenever I'm doing a lot of replacement work. I can remember find okay, but always want to use the same format for replace. On 4/12/06, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it's at least consistent across find vs. replace functions. :) find findnocase refind refindnocase all use needle, haystack replace replacenocase rereplace rereplacenocase all use haystack, needle, new needle Personally I don't have any problems remembering it (anymore), but I don't disagree that it's kinda silly. A PHP programmer I work with said needle, haystack. It actually helps me remember. It's really irritating that MM wasn't consistent with the argument ordering across their variables. It should ALWAYS be variable first. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adobe certification site Dang it. I have to be honest, I've never been able to remember the order or arguments for Find(). Thank god for CFE and code hinting. ;) On 4/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're probably like the rest of us Ray, now we're part of Adobe, we have to live by a higher standard and therefore we dont know enough. You'll have to study up again. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~~ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237570 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
Well I'm having a different problem with them - I got the email notification from Adobe, and went to their site and filled out the account activation form - and the next thing it did was to tell me to log in with my new username and password. Problem is, it never asked for this info to be specified, and the info from my Macromedia certification access doesn't seem to work. What are you guys using for access info on the Adobe site? Maybe it's just one of those days, Reed ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237571 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
Well I'm having a different problem with them - I got the email notification from Adobe, and went to their site and filled out the account activation form - and the next thing it did was to tell me to log in with my new username and password. Problem is, it never asked for this info to be specified, and the info from my Macromedia certification access doesn't seem to work. What are you guys using for access info on the Adobe site? Maybe it's just one of those days, Reed You're not alone -- I had that same issue. I sent them an email about not knowing my username, but haven't heard anything back... it's been a week I think... maybe longer... I can't say for certain without digging up the email. :P I haven't been especially worried about it. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237594 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
I guess, the smart thing to do in this case is probably to take these lists of functions and argument orders and print it out in some way that makes the most sense to you as a reminder. Print it large enough to be seen at a distance and tape it to the wall behind your monitor. :) Sounds like the Macromedia CF tags/functions poster. I've got it on my wall, but the text is so small it's not really usable (unless I want to get up from my chair and get really close). I like it more for decoration. :) Might save you the hassle of having to look it up, even in spite of how nice cfquickdocs is. :) Naw, nothing's better than cfquickdocs. ;) [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237597 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adobe certification site
Naw, nothing's better than cfquickdocs. ;) Not knocking cfQuickDocsbut you can't beat built-in help in CF Studio or Homesite +.sure wish the help worked in CFEClipse and was local instead of grabbing it online ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: RE: adobe certification site I guess, the smart thing to do in this case is probably to take these lists of functions and argument orders and print it out in some way that makes the most sense to you as a reminder. Print it large enough to be seen at a distance and tape it to the wall behind your monitor. :) Sounds like the Macromedia CF tags/functions poster. I've got it on my wall, but the text is so small it's not really usable (unless I want to get up from my chair and get really close). I like it more for decoration. :) Might save you the hassle of having to look it up, even in spite of how nice cfquickdocs is. :) Naw, nothing's better than cfquickdocs. ;) [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237600 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
I guess, the smart thing to do in this case is probably to take these lists of functions and argument orders and print it out in some way that makes the most sense to you as a reminder. Print it large enough to be seen at a distance and tape it to the wall behind your monitor. :) Sounds like the Macromedia CF tags/functions poster. I've got it on my wall, but the text is so small it's not really usable (unless I want to get up from my chair and get really close). I like it more for decoration. :) Yep, same basic idea, but if you print it out for yourself in a way that makes sense for you and at a larger size, then it should be more functional. :) Might save you the hassle of having to look it up, even in spite of how nice cfquickdocs is. :) Naw, nothing's better than cfquickdocs. ;) Hmmm... I'm sensing bias. :P s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237607 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
Here here! !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: adobe certification site I guess, the smart thing to do in this case is probably to take these lists of functions and argument orders and print it out in some way that makes the most sense to you as a reminder. Print it large enough to be seen at a distance and tape it to the wall behind your monitor. :) Sounds like the Macromedia CF tags/functions poster. I've got it on my wall, but the text is so small it's not really usable (unless I want to get up from my chair and get really close). I like it more for decoration. :) Might save you the hassle of having to look it up, even in spite of how nice cfquickdocs is. :) Naw, nothing's better than cfquickdocs. ;) [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237613 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
That's probably a good point because once it is compiled down to a java class it all looks the same. I think the speed was probably only in the compiling of the file while CF took all of the non-typed language and turned it into java matching the appropriate variable types necessary. Therefore, it's probably not a huge increase in performance but it probably makes CF's initial compiling job a little easier. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: adobe certification site = is an assignment operator, not a comparison operator. EQ and IS are comparison operators. I wouldn't say it's an inconsistency. It actually makes a little more sense. With that said, I screw it up all the time. However, one thing that's helped me is that at MAX in New Orleans we covered some performance tips and if you use EQ on numerical comparisons and IS on string comparisons, the performance will be better. I remembered someone saying this had been debunked as something that was true at one point in time but no longer true with recent versions of CF, like the idea that cfscript is faster than tags or the fact that iif() is slow compared to equivalent cfif and cfset statements. Both of these two latter examples are items which were true once upon a time, but not with recent versions. Or so I've heard. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237628 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
That's probably a good point because once it is compiled down to a java class it all looks the same. I think the speed was probably only in the compiling of the file while CF took all of the non-typed language and turned it into java matching the appropriate variable types necessary. Therefore, it's probably not a huge increase in performance but it probably makes CF's initial compiling job a little easier. It's possible. Although that's the point at which I stop worrying about optimization -- I only worry about optimization if I see something on a human scale (i.e. more than a few milliseconds). In some cases the optimization turns out to be a collection of smaller optimizations, but I've never found it to be anything as small as choice of evaluation operators. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237629 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
True. I just tend to do it to stay more consistent with data types even though CF isn't a typed language. Plus, in case it ever moves more towards a typed language, it helps me to be that much closer to being ready. If nothing else, it makes me feel like I'm a better coder :-) John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: adobe certification site That's probably a good point because once it is compiled down to a java class it all looks the same. I think the speed was probably only in the compiling of the file while CF took all of the non-typed language and turned it into java matching the appropriate variable types necessary. Therefore, it's probably not a huge increase in performance but it probably makes CF's initial compiling job a little easier. It's possible. Although that's the point at which I stop worrying about optimization -- I only worry about optimization if I see something on a human scale (i.e. more than a few milliseconds). In some cases the optimization turns out to be a collection of smaller optimizations, but I've never found it to be anything as small as choice of evaluation operators. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237631 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adobe certification site
me: It's possible. Although that's the point at which I stop worrying about optimization -- I only worry about optimization if I see something on a human scale (i.e. more than a few milliseconds). In some cases the optimization turns out to be a collection of smaller optimizations, but I've never found it to be anything as small as choice of evaluation operators. John: True. I just tend to do it to stay more consistent with data types even though CF isn't a typed language. Plus, in case it ever moves more towards a typed language, it helps me to be that much closer to being ready. If nothing else, it makes me feel like I'm a better coder :-) Nothing wrong with feeling good about your work. :) s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237634 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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However, one thing that's helped me is that at MAX in New Orleans we covered some performance tips and if you use EQ on numerical comparisons and IS on string comparisons, the performance will be better. I remembered someone saying this had been debunked as something that was true at one point in time but no longer true with recent versions of CF, like the idea that cfscript is faster than tags or the fact that iif() is slow compared to equivalent cfif and cfset statements. Both of these two latter examples are items which were true once upon a time, but not with recent versions. Or so I've heard. I don't think it's true now, and I don't think it was true before. This strikes me as old wives' tale material. The IIf thing was (and presumably still is) true, because people typically don't actually write equivalent CFIF/CFSET stuff. IIf evaluates all of its arguments, which is an expensive thing to do. But, even if at any point it were true, coding for it specifically isn't necessarily a sensible strategy, since it may not be true in future versions of CF. And, even if that weren't an issue, the performance differences between these sorts of things would be negligible in any case. If you're worried about optimization, look at your database access and caching strategies. There's almost always room for significant improvement there. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237644 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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The IIf thing was (and presumably still is) true, because people typically don't actually write equivalent CFIF/CFSET stuff. IIf evaluates all of its arguments, which is an expensive thing to do. In a conversation with Mike Dinowitz shortly ago, he indicated to me that an early version of ColdFusion MX allowed him to examine the code generated by an IIF statement and that in fact it was identical to what most people would write as a comparable cfif statement, i.e. that the generated code doesn't perform an evaluation, it merely writes the variable name directly into the generated code. So if I write iif(condition,a,b) there would be no evaluation occurring in the java bytecode (since it no longer generates the class files that let him examine generated code). I gather that if you were to place variables in those arguments, iif(condition,a,b) then it would need to perform evaluation somewhere, although this is uncommon usage as it's fairly rare that we actually want to use a variable to hold the name of another variable and then putting a variable containing the name of another variable in an IIF() would just make the whole codeblock god-awful confusing in most cases. :) Of course, this is now third hand information, so ... s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237652 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Nope, I'm still an Advanced whatsit... http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=23543#L -Original Message- From: John Beynon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 April 2006 20:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: adobe certification site I updated my Adobe certification profile the other week when the email arrived from integral7.com, has anyone else been demoted from an Advanced CF Developer to a CF Developer? It's there in the list but for some reason I've been demoted.. anyone else? john. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237465 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
