Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 15:29, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> Is there a way to set up some kind of reply formatting
> in Outlook like in Thunderbird?

Probably.
I used to use http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

Is there a way to set up some kind of reply formatting
in Outlook like in Thunderbird?

Rick


-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

As long as we're complaining... I hate those long disclaimers at the bottom
of your e-mail... last I heard, normal people don't have those, Tom? ;-)

Although as I write this I see Thunderbird has been nice enough to auto snip
it off, because it's below two dashes... cool ;)

Mingo.

Tom Chiverton wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>   
>> too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.
>> 
>
> Get A Better Client :-)
>
>   
>> Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from the 
>> sent message.  :oP
>> 
>
> Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
> Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
fold'.
>
>   





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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 14:32, Mingo Hagen wrote:
> Although as I write this I see Thunderbird has been nice enough to auto
> snip it off, because it's below two dashes... cool ;)

:nods
Two dashes rock :-)

I've just found 'use smaller font for quoted text' and 'show expand/collapse 
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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 14:32, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> > Get A Better Client :-)
> What do you use?

KMail at work, Thunderbird at home.

> > Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
> > Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
> > fold'.
>
> Sorry, not following...

If you bottom / in-line reply, and don't trim to just a few quoted lines, your 
reply will get lost in the mail footer.

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 14:50, Kris Jones wrote:
> In Tom's defense, (although I'm sure he can defend himself), some
> companies auto-append those disclaimers at the mail server. So Tom's
> sig may only be 1 line--his name.

Indeed.
My sig is *two* lines (except when I alter it for comedy value).

I'm sure there should be some sort of X-Disclaimer-Link: header...

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Ken Ferguson]

I'm thinking of writing a little disclaimer on all of my cash that says
it belongs to Ken Ferguson and if it is found on the sidewalk in front
of a bar, that you are not allowed to spend it and must either return it
to me or dispose of it.

I wonder if that works?

--Ferg



-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: (admin) List Status

I wonder if companies realise just how worthless those disclaimers are
anyway 

-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 01 August 2006 14:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

As long as we're complaining... I hate those long disclaimers at the
bottom
of your e-mail... last I heard, normal people don't have those, Tom? ;-)

Although as I write this I see Thunderbird has been nice enough to auto
snip
it off, because it's below two dashes... cool ;)

Mingo.

Tom Chiverton wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>   
>> too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.
>> 
>
> Get A Better Client :-)
>
>   
>> Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from the

>> sent message.  :oP
>> 
>
> Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
> Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
fold'.
>
>   







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Re: (admin) List Status

[Kris Jones]

In Tom's defense, (although I'm sure he can defend himself), some
companies auto-append those disclaimers at the mail server. So Tom's
sig may only be 1 line--his name.

> PS - Man, Tom...you've got the longest signature block
> in history.   Takes 2 minutes just to cut that out :o)

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

Apparently, they don't and I don't get why they don't, you would think 
that they'd get some legal advice on such matters... Assuming that the 
lawyers do know that they're worthless (the disclaimers, not the lawyers...)

Snake wrote:
> I wonder if companies realise just how worthless those disclaimers are
> anyway 



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RE: (admin) List Status

[Snake]

I wonder if companies realise just how worthless those disclaimers are
anyway 

-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 01 August 2006 14:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

As long as we're complaining... I hate those long disclaimers at the bottom
of your e-mail... last I heard, normal people don't have those, Tom? ;-)

Although as I write this I see Thunderbird has been nice enough to auto snip
it off, because it's below two dashes... cool ;)

Mingo.

Tom Chiverton wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>   
>> too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.
>> 
>
> Get A Better Client :-)
>
>   
>> Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from the 
>> sent message.  :oP
>> 
>
> Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
> Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
fold'.
>
>   





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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

> Get A Better Client :-)

What do you use?

> Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
> Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
fold'.

Sorry, not following...

Rick



-Original Message-
From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.

Get A Better Client :-)

> Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from the 
> sent message.  :oP

Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
fold'.

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

As long as we're complaining... I hate those long disclaimers at the 
bottom of your e-mail... last I heard, normal people don't have those, 
Tom? ;-)

Although as I write this I see Thunderbird has been nice enough to auto 
snip it off, because it's below two dashes... cool ;)

Mingo.

Tom Chiverton wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>   
>> too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.
>> 
>
> Get A Better Client :-)
>
>   
>> Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from
>> the sent message.  :oP
>> 
>
> Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
> Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the fold'.
>
>   



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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

Why wait 'til we get outside?  :o)

(Virtual crowd grows larger..avatars try to maintain order...)


PS - Man, Tom...you've got the longest signature block
in history.   Takes 2 minutes just to cut that out :o)

Rick

> You wanna take it outside, do ya ?
> Right...

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.

Get A Better Client :-)

> Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from
> the sent message.  :oP

Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the fold'.

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:46, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> Fight!  Fight!  (Virtual crowd gathers 'round)...

You wanna take it outside, do ya ?
Right...

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

I haven't mastered "normal" yet.   Every time I think I've got
it figured out, it changes.  :o)

Rick

PS - Good idea for reading messages, but bad for composition...
too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.
Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from
the sent message.  :oP



-Original Message-
From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

Post at the bottom like normal people :-)

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

Fight!  Fight!  (Virtual crowd gathers 'round)...


-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

I feel a fight coming up...

Tom Chiverton wrote:
> Post at the bottom like normal people :-)





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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

I feel a fight coming up...

Tom Chiverton wrote:
> Post at the bottom like normal people :-)



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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Monday 31 July 2006 18:49, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> I'm all for trimming posts and certainly understand the need, but I wish
> everyone would 

Post at the bottom like normal people :-)

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

Is there a common data type for "Original Message" so that the specific
language can be ignored?

-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

The problem with that would be that every mail client (in every different
language) has it's own version of 'Original Message'.





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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

The problem with that would be that every mail client (in every 
different language) has it's own version of 'Original Message'.

Rick Faircloth wrote:
> I'd still like to see Michael implement some kind of automated
> trimming function for the mail.  Perhaps it could leave the
> "Original Message" header, as below, and then leave the
> next 10-20 lines of the message and trim the rest, including his
> links etc., at the bottom.
>
> No more manual trimming and no more looong posts...



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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

I'd still like to see Michael implement some kind of automated
trimming function for the mail.  Perhaps it could leave the
"Original Message" header, as below, and then leave the
next 10-20 lines of the message and trim the rest, including his
links etc., at the bottom.

No more manual trimming and no more looong posts...

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status


I agree, although I do love this list for how well people generally do trim
their posts. I run a few yahoogroups and people just always leave the entire
previous post(s) attached and it just grows longer and longer...I wish
*they* had a feature to remind people to trim their posts because I usually
have to do it myself. 




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Re: (admin) List Status

[Michael Dinowitz]

All I ask is that people trim content from their posts that is not 
important. I think the filter is set to 100 lines, which is usually more 
than enough for anyone. :)
As for the new features, they've been on my list for a while and I just 
needed to get them in. If there's any others you would like, let me know off 
list and I'll see about adding them in. Currently my list has on it better 
post error messages, a tag cloud for all lists, better CSS, a book review 
link in place of the Amazon ads, direct ads rather than Google ones and an 
announcement for Sandy's CSS class so people can go to it and then give me 
CSS feedback. :)

> I agree, although I do love this list for how well people generally do 
> trim their posts. I run a few yahoogroups and people just always leave the 
> entire previous post(s) attached and it just grows longer and longer...I 
> wish *they* had a feature to remind people to trim their posts because I 
> usually have to do it myself.
>
> Looks like some new features for those of us that read the list through 
> the web, such a login box on the reply page (I always forget to login 
> first). Thanks for adding this!
>
>
> 

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mary Jo Sminkey]

>I'm all for trimming posts and certainly understand the need, but I wish
>everyone would leave the last post (or part of it) in the reply so I could
>have a reference point to responses.

I agree, although I do love this list for how well people generally do trim 
their posts. I run a few yahoogroups and people just always leave the entire 
previous post(s) attached and it just grows longer and longer...I wish *they* 
had a feature to remind people to trim their posts because I usually have to do 
it myself. 

Looks like some new features for those of us that read the list through the 
web, such a login box on the reply page (I always forget to login first). 
Thanks for adding this! 


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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

ROFL

Rick Faircloth wrote:
> Now, Charlie...  I don't know if that is an Amen to my previous
> post about leaving part of the previous response in the reply or what!
>
>
> Where's the part of the previous post!  :o)
>
> Amen to what?  :o)
>
> Rick



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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

Now, Charlie...  I don't know if that is an Amen to my previous
post about leaving part of the previous response in the reply or what!


Where's the part of the previous post!  :o)

Amen to what?  :o)

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

Amen

:)

--
Charlie Griefer


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whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you,
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Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed."



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Re: (admin) List Status

[Charlie Griefer]

Amen

:)

-- 
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Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed."

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

I'm all for trimming posts and certainly understand the need, but I wish
everyone would leave the last post (or part of it) in the reply so I could
have a reference point to responses.

I see answers or responses, but have no idea what they're about...

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

Feature. The email is a reminder to trim your posts, not a message saying
that the job has been done for you.






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Re: (admin) List Status

[Michael Dinowitz]

Feature. The email is a reminder to trim your posts, not a message saying that 
the job has been done for you.

> Error reporting feature is great, however, I got a message too long 
> error and it came through anyway... bug or feature?

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

Error reporting feature is great, however, I got a message too long 
error and it came through anyway... bug or feature?

Mingo.



Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> I've done a major redesign of the House of Fusion user interface as well as 
> the backend system. Posting through the archives should work as long as your 
> subscribed to the list in question. The same goes for posting by email. If 
> there is a problem, you will get an error message as long as your email 
> address is recognised as a site member (even if not a member of the list 
> being posted to). 
>
> If there are any questions or comments, please email me off list. 
>
> Thank you
>
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Steven Dworman]

agreed

-Original Message-
From: Sicular, Alexander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Sorry , but "armpit of america" status belongs to east lansing, michigan.
Believe me , I spent two years there and yes, we did call it "the armpit of
america".



Alexander Sicular
Chief Technology Architect
Neurological Institute of New York
Columbia University
as867 [at] columbia {dot} edu


|-Original Message-
|From: Robert Forsyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:00 PM
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
|
|
|I spent a lifetime in Buffalo one Saturday...
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:54 PM
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
|
|
|Buffalo "the armpit of America" even Clevelands better than
|buffalo.well just barely
|
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Charlie]

A third vote for the Buffalo nomination



- Original Message -
From: "Development" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> I'll second that Buffalo nomination!
>
> Jeff
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ryan Pieszak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
> about
> > Buffalo, NY?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> > Good Fortune,
> > Richard Walters,
> > Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> > We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> > consuming that gift.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> > Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> > or
> > license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> > > get back to
> > > the news .
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> > > "Our goal is
> > > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> > > could see that
> > > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> > > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> > that a
> > > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> > > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> > that
> > > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> > > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> > inclined to
> > > donate $100.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Howie
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> > > >
> > > > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
> > report
> > > > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> > things,
> > > > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > > > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> > > >
> > > > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
> > And
> > > > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > > > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> > information we
> > > > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> > > >
> > > > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> > afterwards, if
> > > > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
> > do
> > > > with it.. I'm sure.
> > > >
> > > > Just my .02
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Sharon Diorio]

ROTFLMAO!  My niece lives in East Palatka.  Fortunately she still has all her teeth.

Sharon
- Original Message - 
From: "Shawnea Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> and alligators, water moccasins and creepy guys that have been to one to
> many bar (For the natives:  the ones (guys) in Central Florida that wear
> that ball cap like thing . . . think Palatka)
> 
> I shudder.
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Development]

Not terribly long.. Its a 400 or so mile trip... Quicker to take a plane
Beleive it or not, Buffalo even has its own airport.. ;-)

Jeff

- Original Message -
From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> How long does it take to get there by train from Manhatten?
>
> At 02:07 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
> >No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
about
> >Buffalo, NY?
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> >Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> >Good Fortune,
> >Richard Walters,
> >Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >(800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> >We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> >consuming that gift.
> >
> >Kevin
> >
> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> >Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> >or
> >license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> >> get back to
> >> the news .
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> >> "Our goal is
> >> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> >> could see that
> >> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> >> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> >that a
> >> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> >> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> >that
> >> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> >> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> >inclined to
> >> donate $100.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Howie
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> >> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >> >
> >> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
> >report
> >> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> >things,
> >> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> >> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >> >
> >> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
> >And
> >> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> >> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> >information we
> >> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >> >
> >> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> >afterwards, if
> >> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
> >do
> >> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >> >
> >> > Just my .02
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Rich Wild]

I'm going unilateral in my vote for Bournemouth, England. I'm confident that
this one will be a winner, I really am.

> -Original Message-
> From: Development [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 16 May 2002 15:21
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> 
> 
> I'll second that Buffalo nomination!
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ryan Pieszak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> 
> 
> > No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the 
> wealth.  What
> about
> > Buffalo, NY?
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> > Good Fortune,
> > Richard Walters,
> > Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> > We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> > consuming that gift.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> > Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, 
> coffee mug,
> > or
> > license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> > > get back to
> > > the news .
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> > > "Our goal is
> > > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> > > could see that
> > > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> > > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and 
> need to see
> > that a
> > > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> > > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> > that
> > > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> > > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> > inclined to
> > > donate $100.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Howie
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> > > >
> > > > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm 
> sure will
> > report
> > > > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> > things,
> > > > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll 
> probabaly ask the
> > > > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> > > >
> > > > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should 
> be "hidden"..
> > And
> > > > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, 
> ANYTHING he
> > > > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> > information we
> > > > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> > > >
> > > > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> > afterwards, if
> > > > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote 
> on what to
> > do
> > > > with it.. I'm sure.
> > > >
> > > > Just my .02
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[David Schmidt]

If you come to Seattle, we'll promise not to tear-gas ya!



> -Original Message-
> From: Development [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:21 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> 
> 
> I'll second that Buffalo nomination!
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ryan Pieszak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> 
> 
> > No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
> about
> > Buffalo, NY?
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> > Good Fortune,
> > Richard Walters,
> > Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> > We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> > consuming that gift.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> > Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> > or
> > license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> > > get back to
> > > the news .
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> > > "Our goal is
> > > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> > > could see that
> > > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> > > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> > that a
> > > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> > > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> > that
> > > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> > > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> > inclined to
> > > donate $100.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Howie
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> > > >
> > > > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
> > report
> > > > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> > things,
> > > > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > > > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> > > >
> > > > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
> > And
> > > > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > > > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> > information we
> > > > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> > > >
> > > > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> > afterwards, if
> > > > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
> > do
> > > > with it.. I'm sure.
> > > >
> > > > Just my .02
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Development]

I'll second that Buffalo nomination!

Jeff


- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Pieszak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
about
> Buffalo, NY?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
>
> Good Fortune,
> Richard Walters,
> Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (800) 604-5227 x 3525
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> consuming that gift.
>
> Kevin
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> or
> license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> > get back to
> > the news .
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> > "Our goal is
> > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> > could see that
> > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> that a
> > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> that
> > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> inclined to
> > donate $100.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howie
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> > >
> > > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
> report
> > > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> things,
> > > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
> And
> > > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> information we
> > > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> > >
> > > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> afterwards, if
> > > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
> do
> > > with it.. I'm sure.
> > >
> > > Just my .02
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Shawnea Carter]

and alligators, water moccasins and creepy guys that have been to one to
many bar (For the natives:  the ones (guys) in Central Florida that wear
that ball cap like thing . . . think Palatka)

I shudder.

- Original Message -
From: "Jacob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> ..and sharks
>
> At 11:20 AM 5/15/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >What are you afraid of:  terrorists, hurricaines, train derailments,
> >voting scandals, tourist taxes, water shortages, impossible traffic,
> >lightning, speaking spanish, Jimmy Buffet, or sunburn?  Certainly
> >there's nothing wrong with Florida that Jeb Bush or Janet Reno can't
> >fix.  It helps if you say that over and over.
> >
> >Good Fortune,
> >Richard Walters,
> >Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >(800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 02:07PM >>>
> >No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
> >about
> >Buffalo, NY?
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> >Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> >Good Fortune,
> >Richard Walters,
> >Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >(800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> >We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> >consuming that gift.
> >
> >Kevin
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> >Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> >or
> >license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> > > get back to
> > > the news .
> > >
> > > -Original Message-----
> > > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> > > "Our goal is
> > > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> > > could see that
> > > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> > > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> >that a
> > > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> > > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> >that
> > > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> > > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> >inclined to
> > > donate $100.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Howie
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> > > >
> > > > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
> >report
> > > > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> >things,
> > > > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > > > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> > > >
> > > > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be
> >"hidden"..
> >And
> > > > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > > > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> >information we
> > > > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> > > >
> > > > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> >afterwards, if
> > > > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
> >do
> > > > with it.. I'm sure.
> > > >
> > > > Just my .02
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Joseph Thompson]

Here here. Australia... Too young for Florida 

 a former Olympic Stadium
> to hold Michael's presentations in.  It's not doing anything a few days of
> the year.About 360 days a year at last count.


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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Mike Kear]

My brother-in-law comes from Buffalo!The rest of us come from natural
parents.  Yuk yuk yuk .

Sydney is full of convention places.  And we have a former Olympic Stadium
to hold Michael's presentations in.  It's not doing anything a few days of
the year.About 360 days a year at last count.

Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP WebWorks


-Original Message-
From: Ryan Pieszak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What about
Buffalo, NY?

-Original Message-
From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?

Good Fortune,
Richard Walters,
Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(800) 604-5227 x 3525


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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Tony Schreiber]

Florida is good. I would go to an expo in Florida. ;p

> Florida has to be the only state with a maximum highway speed limit of 70 and a 
>minimum of 40.  Nothing like doin' the slolam through those snowbird caddies.
>
> Sharon DiOrio
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Actually I am afraid of getting run over by one of the thousands of old
> > people driving that can't see 10 feet in front of themselves and can't
> > remember where they are going.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:21 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> > What are you afraid of:  terrorists, hurricaines, train derailments,
> > voting scandals, tourist taxes, water shortages, impossible traffic,
> > lightning, speaking spanish, Jimmy Buffet, or sunburn?  Certainly
> > there's nothing wrong with Florida that Jeb Bush or Janet Reno can't
> > fix.  It helps if you say that over and over.
> >
> > Good Fortune,
> > Richard Walters,
> > Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 02:07PM >>>
> > No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
> > about
> > Buffalo, NY?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> > Good Fortune,
> > Richard Walters,
> > Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> > We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> > consuming that gift.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> > Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> > or
> > license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> > > get back to
> > > the news .
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> > > "Our goal is
> > > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> > > could see that
> > > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> > > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> > that a
> > > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> > > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> > that
> > > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> > > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> > inclined to
> > > donate $100.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Howie
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't agree.. (a 

Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Nick Bourgeois]

> What are you afraid of:  terrorists, hurricaines, train derailments,
> voting scandals, tourist taxes, water shortages, impossible traffic,
> lightning, speaking spanish, Jimmy Buffet, or sunburn?  Certainly
> there's nothing wrong with Florida that Jeb Bush or Janet Reno can't
> fix.  It helps if you say that over and over.

LOL!  It's funnier because I live in FL.

Nick

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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Craig Thomas]

how about Montana...during the day "reasonable speed"you ever been to
montana?  at night 55.


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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Rick Eidson]

Missouri I-70 outside of city limits.
 
Rick

-Original Message- 
From: Sharon Diorio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wed 5/15/2002 5:08 PM 
To: CF-Talk 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 


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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Sharon Diorio]

Florida has to be the only state with a maximum highway speed limit of 70 and a 
minimum of 40.  Nothing like doin' the slolam through those snowbird caddies.

Sharon DiOrio
- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Actually I am afraid of getting run over by one of the thousands of old
> people driving that can't see 10 feet in front of themselves and can't
> remember where they are going.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:21 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> 
> What are you afraid of:  terrorists, hurricaines, train derailments,
> voting scandals, tourist taxes, water shortages, impossible traffic,
> lightning, speaking spanish, Jimmy Buffet, or sunburn?  Certainly
> there's nothing wrong with Florida that Jeb Bush or Janet Reno can't
> fix.  It helps if you say that over and over.
> 
> Good Fortune,
> Richard Walters,
> Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 02:07PM >>>
> No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
> about
> Buffalo, NY?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> 
> 
> Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida? 
> 
> Good Fortune,
> Richard Walters,
> Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> consuming that gift.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> or
> license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> > get back to
> > the news .
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> > "Our goal is
> > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> > could see that
> > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> that a
> > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> that
> > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> inclined to
> > donate $100.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howie
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> > >
> > > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
> report
> > > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> things,
> > > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be
> "hidden"..
> And
> > > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> information we
> > > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> > >
> > > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> afterwards, if
> > > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
> do
> > > with it.. I'm sure.
> > >
> > > Just my .02
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Hatton Humphrey]

(and I wondered why the Buffalo CFUG never got off the ground)

I'm a rare individual then, I graduated from college and found a job 
here... granted, my reason for moving here was tied to the ring on my 
finger rather than the dollar signs in my eyes (wife's family lives up 
on the lake and now so do we).

Hatton

Ryan Pieszak wrote:

> Actually, I wasn't serious.  The big joke here in Buffalo is that nobody
> comes here on purpose, that nobody wants to be here, it's a rotting city.
> If anybody *actually* wants this CF-Talk Expo to be held in Buffalo, you'll
> have to let me know what you need.  Is this something that's been done in
> the past?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> 
> 
> It'd be great for me there... better than everything running to Rochester ;)
> 
> Hatton
> 
> (in Snyder)
> 
> Ryan Pieszak wrote:
> 
> 
>>No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
>>
> about
> 
>>Buffalo, NY?
>>
>>-----Original Message-
>>From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>>Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida? 
>>
>>Good Fortune,
>>Richard Walters,
>>Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(800) 604-5227 x 3525
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
>>>>>
>>We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
>>consuming that gift.
>>
>>Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
>>>>>
>>Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
>>or
>>license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
>>>get back to
>>>the news .
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>>
>>>
>>>I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
>>>"Our goal is
>>>$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>>
>>>
>>>I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
>>>could see that
>>>the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
>>>inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
>>>
>>>
>>that a
>>
>>
>>>goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
>>>before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
>>>
>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>>there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
>>>that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
>>>
>>>
>>inclined to
>>
>>
>>>donate $100.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Howie
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
>>>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
>>>>
>>>>Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
>>>>
>>>>
>>report
>>
>>
>>>>on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
>>>>
>>>>
>>things,
>>
>>
>>>>and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
>>>>group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
>>>>
>>>>Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
>>>>
>>>>
>>And
>>
>>
>>>>I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
>>>>receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
>>>>
>>>>
>>information we
>>
>>
>>>>gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
>>>>
>>>>Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
>>>>
>>>>
>>afterwards, if
>>
>>
>>>>anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
>>>>
>>>>
>>do
>>
>>
>>>>with it.. I'm sure.
>>>>
>>>>Just my .02
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Jacob]

..and sharks

At 11:20 AM 5/15/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>What are you afraid of:  terrorists, hurricaines, train derailments,
>voting scandals, tourist taxes, water shortages, impossible traffic,
>lightning, speaking spanish, Jimmy Buffet, or sunburn?  Certainly
>there's nothing wrong with Florida that Jeb Bush or Janet Reno can't
>fix.  It helps if you say that over and over.
>
>Good Fortune,
>Richard Walters,
>Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(800) 604-5227 x 3525
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 02:07PM >>>
>No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
>about
>Buffalo, NY?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
>Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
>
>Good Fortune,
>Richard Walters,
>Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(800) 604-5227 x 3525
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
>We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
>consuming that gift.
>
>Kevin
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
>Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
>or
>license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> > get back to
> > the news .
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> > "Our goal is
> > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> > could see that
> > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
>that a
> > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
>that
> > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
>inclined to
> > donate $100.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howie
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> > >
> > > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
>report
> > > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
>things,
> > > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be
>"hidden"..
>And
> > > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
>information we
> > > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> > >
> > > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
>afterwards, if
> > > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
>do
> > > with it.. I'm sure.
> > >
> > > Just my .02
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Sandy Clark]

You forgot
Bouncy Bouncy Bouncy.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Actually, we ran the community suite at the last MM conference and will be
doing the same this year. For those who missed it, we had food, games,
community speakers, about 60 or so books to raffle off and a reading library
with over 20 titles. It was a blast! Of course, I have a standing offer to
speak anywhere I am or can be brought to. I'll probably be in Florida around
July 8th
>
> At 01:47 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
> >Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> >Good Fortune,
> >Richard Walters,
> >Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >(800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> >We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> >consuming that gift.
> >
> >Kevin
> >
> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> >Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> >or
> >license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> >> get back to
> >> the news .
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> >> "Our goal is
> >> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> >> could see that
> >> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> >> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> >that a
> >> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> >> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> >that
> >> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> >> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> >inclined to
> >> donate $100.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Howie
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> >> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >> >
> >> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
> >report
> >> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> >things,
> >> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> >> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >> >
> >> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
> >And
> >> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> >> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> >information we
> >> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >> >
> >> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> >afterwards, if
> >> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
> >do
> >> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >> >
> >> > Just my .02
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Nope - Pineville Kentucky (just down the holler from Pennington Gap and
Cumberland).  I spent 3 years near there in my younger idealistic youth .

-Original Message-
From: Sicular, Alexander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Sorry , but "armpit of america" status belongs to east lansing, michigan.
Believe me , I spent two years there and yes, we did call it "the armpit of
america".



Alexander Sicular
Chief Technology Architect
Neurological Institute of New York
Columbia University
as867 [at] columbia {dot} edu


|-Original Message-
|From: Robert Forsyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:00 PM
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
|
|
|I spent a lifetime in Buffalo one Saturday...
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:54 PM
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
|
|
|Buffalo "the armpit of America" even Clevelands better than
|buffalo.well just barely
|
|

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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Joshua Miller]

Michael,

What kind of hosting requirements do you have? How about traffic? We
would be happy to help out however we can.

Joshua Miller
Eagle Web Development LLC
www.eaglewd.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

http://www.macromedia.com/v1/conference/
October 27-30, 2002

At 02:22 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>hmmm??  When is the MM Confrence this year?
>
>Paul Giesenhagen
>QuillDesign
>
>
>
>> There was also a lot of "bouncy bouncy" at the community suite, if I
>recall...
>>
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:12 PM
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>> > Actually, we ran the community suite at the last MM conference and
will
>be doing the same this year. For those who missed it, we
>> had food, games, community speakers, about 60 or so books to raffle
off
>and a reading library with over 20 titles. It was a blast!
>> Of course, I have a standing offer to speak anywhere I am or can be
>brought to. I'll probably be in Florida around July 8th
>> >
>>
>>
>> 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Kevin Schmidt]

Hey, I lived in East Lansing, Okemos, for while and I didn't think it
was an armpit, nor did I call it that.


-Original Message-
From: Sicular, Alexander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

Sorry , but "armpit of america" status belongs to east lansing,
michigan.
Believe me , I spent two years there and yes, we did call it "the armpit
of
america".



Alexander Sicular
Chief Technology Architect
Neurological Institute of New York
Columbia University
as867 [at] columbia {dot} edu


|-Original Message-
|From: Robert Forsyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
|Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:00 PM
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
|
|
|I spent a lifetime in Buffalo one Saturday...
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:54 PM
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
|
|
|Buffalo "the armpit of America" even Clevelands better than 
|buffalo.well just barely
|
|

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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Sicular, Alexander]

Sorry , but "armpit of america" status belongs to east lansing, michigan.
Believe me , I spent two years there and yes, we did call it "the armpit of
america".



Alexander Sicular
Chief Technology Architect
Neurological Institute of New York
Columbia University
as867 [at] columbia {dot} edu


|-Original Message-
|From: Robert Forsyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
|Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:00 PM
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
|
|
|I spent a lifetime in Buffalo one Saturday...
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:54 PM
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
|
|
|Buffalo "the armpit of America" even Clevelands better than 
|buffalo.well just barely
|
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Ryan Pieszak]

Wow, I thought only Buffalonians called our city that.  Time for me to
move...

-Original Message-
From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Buffalo "the armpit of America" even Clevelands better than buffalo.well
just barely



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 02:36PM >>>
Yeah the only thing worth it in Buffalo "was" the Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie
controversyand I dont even live there :)





- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Pieszak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Actually, I wasn't serious.  The big joke here in Buffalo is that nobody
> comes here on purpose, that nobody wants to be here, it's a rotting city.
> If anybody *actually* wants this CF-Talk Expo to be held in Buffalo,
you'll
> have to let me know what you need.  Is this something that's been done in
> the past?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> It'd be great for me there... better than everything running to Rochester
;)
>
> Hatton
>
> (in Snyder)
>
> Ryan Pieszak wrote:
>
> > No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
> about
> > Buffalo, NY?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> > Good Fortune,
> > Richard Walters,
> > Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> >
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> >>>>
> > We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> > consuming that gift.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> >>>>
> > Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> > or
> > license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-
> >>From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> >>get back to
> >>the news .
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> >>"Our goal is
> >>$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> >>could see that
> >>the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> >>inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> >>
> > that a
> >
> >>goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> >>before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> >>
> > that
> >
> >>there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> >>that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> >>
> > inclined to
> >
> >>donate $100.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Howie
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Don't agree.. (a first for me and you H

RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Robert Forsyth]

I spent a lifetime in Buffalo one Saturday...


-Original Message-
From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Buffalo "the armpit of America" even Clevelands better than buffalo.well
just barely

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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Michael Ross]

Buffalo "the armpit of America" even Clevelands better than buffalo.well just 
barely



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 02:36PM >>>
Yeah the only thing worth it in Buffalo "was" the Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie
controversyand I dont even live there :)





- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Pieszak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Actually, I wasn't serious.  The big joke here in Buffalo is that nobody
> comes here on purpose, that nobody wants to be here, it's a rotting city.
> If anybody *actually* wants this CF-Talk Expo to be held in Buffalo,
you'll
> have to let me know what you need.  Is this something that's been done in
> the past?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> It'd be great for me there... better than everything running to Rochester
;)
>
> Hatton
>
> (in Snyder)
>
> Ryan Pieszak wrote:
>
> > No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
> about
> > Buffalo, NY?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> > Good Fortune,
> > Richard Walters,
> > Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> >
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> >>>>
> > We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> > consuming that gift.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> >>>>
> > Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> > or
> > license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-
> >>From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> >>get back to
> >>the news .
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> >>"Our goal is
> >>$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> >>could see that
> >>the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> >>inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> >>
> > that a
> >
> >>goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> >>before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> >>
> > that
> >
> >>there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> >>that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> >>
> > inclined to
> >
> >>donate $100.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Howie
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >>>
> >>>Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
> >>>
> > report
> >
> >>>on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> >>>
> > things,
> >
> >>>and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> >>>group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >>>
> >>>Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
> >>>
> > And
> >
> >>>I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> >>>receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> >>>
> > information we
> >
> >>>gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >>>
> >>>Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> >>>
> > afterwards, if
> >
> >>>anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
> >>>
> > do
> >
> >>>with it.. I'm sure.
> >>>
> >>>Just my .02
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Ryan Pieszak]

Yeah, we're glad those days are FAR behind us.  Now we're looking Super Bowl
with Bledsoe in charge.  But this is off topic, sorry...
Real question now...where can I send a payment for this list if I'm not part
of PayPal?  Maybe just send a personal check or something?  Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Yeah the only thing worth it in Buffalo "was" the Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie
controversyand I dont even live there :)





- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Pieszak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Actually, I wasn't serious.  The big joke here in Buffalo is that nobody
> comes here on purpose, that nobody wants to be here, it's a rotting city.
> If anybody *actually* wants this CF-Talk Expo to be held in Buffalo,
you'll
> have to let me know what you need.  Is this something that's been done in
> the past?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> It'd be great for me there... better than everything running to Rochester
;)
>
> Hatton
>
> (in Snyder)
>
> Ryan Pieszak wrote:
>
> > No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
> about
> > Buffalo, NY?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> > Good Fortune,
> > Richard Walters,
> > Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> >
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> >>>>
> > We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> > consuming that gift.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> >>>>
> > Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> > or
> > license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-Original Message-----
> >>From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> >>get back to
> >>the news .
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> >>"Our goal is
> >>$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> >>could see that
> >>the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> >>inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> >>
> > that a
> >
> >>goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> >>before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> >>
> > that
> >
> >>there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> >>that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> >>
> > inclined to
> >
> >>donate $100.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Howie
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
&

Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Michael Dinowitz]

http://www.macromedia.com/v1/conference/
October 27-30, 2002

At 02:22 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>hmmm??  When is the MM Confrence this year?
>
>Paul Giesenhagen
>QuillDesign
>
>
>
>> There was also a lot of "bouncy bouncy" at the community suite, if I
>recall...
>>
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:12 PM
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>> > Actually, we ran the community suite at the last MM conference and will
>be doing the same this year. For those who missed it, we
>> had food, games, community speakers, about 60 or so books to raffle off
>and a reading library with over 20 titles. It was a blast!
>> Of course, I have a standing offer to speak anywhere I am or can be
>brought to. I'll probably be in Florida around July 8th
>> >
>>
>>
>> 
>
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Douglas Brown]

Yeah the only thing worth it in Buffalo "was" the Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie
controversyand I dont even live there :)





- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Pieszak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Actually, I wasn't serious.  The big joke here in Buffalo is that nobody
> comes here on purpose, that nobody wants to be here, it's a rotting city.
> If anybody *actually* wants this CF-Talk Expo to be held in Buffalo,
you'll
> have to let me know what you need.  Is this something that's been done in
> the past?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> It'd be great for me there... better than everything running to Rochester
;)
>
> Hatton
>
> (in Snyder)
>
> Ryan Pieszak wrote:
>
> > No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
> about
> > Buffalo, NY?
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> > Good Fortune,
> > Richard Walters,
> > Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> >
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> >>>>
> > We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> > consuming that gift.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> >>>>
> > Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> > or
> > license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> >>get back to
> >>the news .
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> >>"Our goal is
> >>$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> >>could see that
> >>the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> >>inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> >>
> > that a
> >
> >>goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> >>before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> >>
> > that
> >
> >>there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> >>that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> >>
> > inclined to
> >
> >>donate $100.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Howie
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> >>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >>>
> >>>Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
> >>>
> > report
> >
> >>>on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> >>>
> > things,
> >
> >>>and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> >>>group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >>>
> >>>Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
> >>>
> > And
> >
> >>>I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> >>>receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> >>>
> > information we
> >
> >>>gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >>>
> >>>Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> >>>
> > afterwards, if
> >
> >>>anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
> >>>
> > do
> >
> >>>with it.. I'm sure.
> >>>
> >>>Just my .02
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Ryan Pieszak]

Actually, I wasn't serious.  The big joke here in Buffalo is that nobody
comes here on purpose, that nobody wants to be here, it's a rotting city.
If anybody *actually* wants this CF-Talk Expo to be held in Buffalo, you'll
have to let me know what you need.  Is this something that's been done in
the past?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:15 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


It'd be great for me there... better than everything running to Rochester ;)

Hatton

(in Snyder)

Ryan Pieszak wrote:

> No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
about
> Buffalo, NY?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> 
> 
> Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida? 
> 
> Good Fortune,
> Richard Walters,
> Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> 
> 
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
>>>>
> We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> consuming that gift.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
>>>>
> Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> or
> license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>>Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
>>get back to
>>the news .
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>>I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
>>"Our goal is
>>$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>>I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
>>could see that
>>the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
>>inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
>>
> that a
> 
>>goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
>>before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
>>
> that
> 
>>there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
>>that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
>>
> inclined to
> 
>>donate $100.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Howie
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
>>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>>
>>>Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
>>>
>>>Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
>>>
> report
> 
>>>on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
>>>
> things,
> 
>>>and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
>>>group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
>>>
>>>Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
>>>
> And
> 
>>>I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
>>>receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
>>>
> information we
> 
>>>gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
>>>
>>>Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
>>>
> afterwards, if
> 
>>>anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
>>>
> do
> 
>>>with it.. I'm sure.
>>>
>>>Just my .02
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Michael Dinowitz]

That was the most surprising part of it all. We turned the game on and a female 
programmer walked through the door every time. And no one was upset or anything about 
the content. It was just a place to 'hang' with your people. 

At 02:17 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>There was also a lot of "bouncy bouncy" at the community suite, if I recall...
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:12 PM
>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
>> Actually, we ran the community suite at the last MM conference and will be doing 
>the same this year. For those who missed it, we
>had food, games, community speakers, about 60 or so books to raffle off and a reading 
>library with over 20 titles. It was a blast!
>Of course, I have a standing offer to speak anywhere I am or can be brought to. I'll 
>probably be in Florida around July 8th
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Howie Hamlin]

October 27...

http://www.macromedia.com/v1/conference/

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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Giesenhagen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> hmmm??  When is the MM Confrence this year?
> 
> Paul Giesenhagen
> QuillDesign
> 

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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Kevin Schmidt]

Actually I am afraid of getting run over by one of the thousands of old
people driving that can't see 10 feet in front of themselves and can't
remember where they are going.  

-Original Message-
From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

What are you afraid of:  terrorists, hurricaines, train derailments,
voting scandals, tourist taxes, water shortages, impossible traffic,
lightning, speaking spanish, Jimmy Buffet, or sunburn?  Certainly
there's nothing wrong with Florida that Jeb Bush or Janet Reno can't
fix.  It helps if you say that over and over.

Good Fortune,
Richard Walters,
Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(800) 604-5227 x 3525

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 02:07PM >>>
No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
about
Buffalo, NY?

-Original Message-
From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida? 

Good Fortune,
Richard Walters,
Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(800) 604-5227 x 3525

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
consuming that gift.

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> get back to
> the news .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> "Our goal is
> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> could see that
> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
that a
> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
that
> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
inclined to
> donate $100.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >
> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
report
> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
things,
> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be
"hidden"..
And
> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
information we
> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >
> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
afterwards, if
> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
do
> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
>
>
>
>
> 





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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Jon Hall]

There is a new higher res version out now... :)

- Original Message -
From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> There was also a lot of "bouncy bouncy" at the community suite, if I
recall...
>
> 


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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Timothy Heald]

I went by train from Orlando to NY back in like 93.  I think it took like 30
hours.

Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD :)
Application Development
www.schoollink.net

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> How long does it take to get there by train from Manhatten?
>
> At 02:07 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
> >No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.
>  What about
> >Buffalo, NY?
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> >Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?
> >
> >Good Fortune,
> >Richard Walters,
> >Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >(800) 604-5227 x 3525
> >
> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
> >We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> >consuming that gift.
> >
> >Kevin
> >
> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
> >Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> >or
> >license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> >> get back to
> >> the news .
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> >> "Our goal is
> >> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> >> could see that
> >> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> >> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
> >that a
> >> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> >> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
> >that
> >> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> >> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
> >inclined to
> >> donate $100.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Howie
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> >> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >>
> >>
> >> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >> >
> >> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
> >report
> >> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
> >things,
> >> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> >> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >> >
> >> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
> >And
> >> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> >> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
> >information we
> >> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >> >
> >> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
> >afterwards, if
> >> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
> >do
> >> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >> >
> >> > Just my .02
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Paul Giesenhagen]

hmmm??  When is the MM Confrence this year?

Paul Giesenhagen
QuillDesign



> There was also a lot of "bouncy bouncy" at the community suite, if I
recall...
>
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Actually, we ran the community suite at the last MM conference and will
be doing the same this year. For those who missed it, we
> had food, games, community speakers, about 60 or so books to raffle off
and a reading library with over 20 titles. It was a blast!
> Of course, I have a standing offer to speak anywhere I am or can be
brought to. I'll probably be in Florida around July 8th
> >
>
>
> 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Rick Walters]

What are you afraid of:  terrorists, hurricaines, train derailments,
voting scandals, tourist taxes, water shortages, impossible traffic,
lightning, speaking spanish, Jimmy Buffet, or sunburn?  Certainly
there's nothing wrong with Florida that Jeb Bush or Janet Reno can't
fix.  It helps if you say that over and over.

Good Fortune,
Richard Walters,
Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(800) 604-5227 x 3525

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 02:07PM >>>
No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
about
Buffalo, NY?

-Original Message-
From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida? 

Good Fortune,
Richard Walters,
Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(800) 604-5227 x 3525

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
consuming that gift.

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> get back to
> the news .
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> "Our goal is
> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> could see that
> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
that a
> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
that
> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
inclined to
> donate $100.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >
> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
report
> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
things,
> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be
"hidden"..
And
> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
information we
> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >
> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
afterwards, if
> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
do
> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
>
>
>
>
> 




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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Howie Hamlin]

There was also a lot of "bouncy bouncy" at the community suite, if I recall...



- Original Message -
From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Actually, we ran the community suite at the last MM conference and will be doing the 
>same this year. For those who missed it, we
had food, games, community speakers, about 60 or so books to raffle off and a reading 
library with over 20 titles. It was a blast!
Of course, I have a standing offer to speak anywhere I am or can be brought to. I'll 
probably be in Florida around July 8th
>


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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

I'll think on the weekend off version. It'll be interesting. :)
The big problem I had with the new digests was that you can't have a single digest a 
day with a huge list like CF-Talk. It gets really messy with timeouts and such. I 
think the slowest I'm setting it for this list is 4 times a day. Other lists can have 
it as once a day. Again, not perfect but better than what's here now.

At 12:39 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>Hey Michael,
>
>This sounds great! Can I suggest something for the people that get the list
>at work? How about a weekend hiatus digest version? Something for people
>that read during the week but don't view the list on weekends and want to
>stay up with what happened with a simple digest email or two. Just a
>thought.
>
>I like the digest-an-hour idea...this list is great, but my inbox gets
>pummeled on some days.
>
>
>Thanks for your hard work,
>
>Ryan Kime
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:01 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: [admin] List status
>
>
>Sorry, Judith's sick in bed and I just got into work and online. The list
>membership for CF-Talk has been down reciently to 1856 members on list. If
>you add in the NNTP readers, archive readers and all we'd have about double
>that. This is the reason I want to provide better resources. To get the
>information to more people through more channels. 
>My goal for the lists are to have them as lists with immediate delivery,
>digests on the hour on up to once a day. An archive that can be searched and
>posted from that will include the proper threading (message id and reference
>id) when a message is posed from them. An NNTP interface so that a post can
>go from NNTP to the list and the archives in one fell swoop. Finally, a web
>service interface so that other devices can get the data. 
>This may sound like a lot of work but it's rather easy if done in steps. The
>staggered digests and the archive are done. Plugging a verity search into
>that is simple to do and automating parts of it are one of my specialties (I
>think I use the scheduler more than anyone else around). The posting from
>the archives to the list is done on the back end and just needs a nice front
>end for it. I wrote a new CF_MakeTree that's tighter than hell to get the
>threading done right. NNTP is something that I'm talking to someone about
>and they can comment on it if they want. Web services is just a quick CFC to
>the archives with no real front end. 
>Step by step it's being done and will get done. 
>
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Hatton Humphrey]

It'd be great for me there... better than everything running to Rochester ;)

Hatton

(in Snyder)

Ryan Pieszak wrote:

> No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What about
> Buffalo, NY?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> 
> 
> Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida? 
> 
> Good Fortune,
> Richard Walters,
> Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (800) 604-5227 x 3525
> 
> 
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
>>>>
> We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
> consuming that gift.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
>>>>
> Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
> or
> license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>>Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
>>get back to
>>the news .
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>>I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
>>"Our goal is
>>$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>>I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
>>could see that
>>the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
>>inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
>>
> that a
> 
>>goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
>>before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
>>
> that
> 
>>there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
>>that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
>>
> inclined to
> 
>>donate $100.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Howie
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
>>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>>
>>>Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
>>>
>>>Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
>>>
> report
> 
>>>on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
>>>
> things,
> 
>>>and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
>>>group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
>>>
>>>Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
>>>
> And
> 
>>>I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
>>>receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
>>>
> information we
> 
>>>gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
>>>
>>>Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
>>>
> afterwards, if
> 
>>>anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
>>>
> do
> 
>>>with it.. I'm sure.
>>>
>>>Just my .02
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Michael Dinowitz]

How long does it take to get there by train from Manhatten?

At 02:07 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What about
>Buffalo, NY?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
>Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida? 
>
>Good Fortune,
>Richard Walters,
>Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(800) 604-5227 x 3525
>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
>We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
>consuming that gift.
>
>Kevin
>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
>Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
>or
>license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
>> get back to
>> the news .
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
>> "Our goal is
>> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
>> could see that
>> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
>> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
>that a
>> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
>> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
>that
>> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
>> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
>inclined to
>> donate $100.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Howie
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
>> >
>> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
>report
>> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
>things,
>> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
>> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
>> >
>> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
>And
>> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
>> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
>information we
>> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
>> >
>> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
>afterwards, if
>> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
>do
>> > with it.. I'm sure.
>> >
>> > Just my .02
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Michael Dinowitz]

Actually, we ran the community suite at the last MM conference and will be doing the 
same this year. For those who missed it, we had food, games, community speakers, about 
60 or so books to raffle off and a reading library with over 20 titles. It was a 
blast! Of course, I have a standing offer to speak anywhere I am or can be brought to. 
I'll probably be in Florida around July 8th

At 01:47 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida? 
>
>Good Fortune,
>Richard Walters,
>Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(800) 604-5227 x 3525
>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
>We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
>consuming that gift.
>
>Kevin
>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
>Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
>or
>license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
>> get back to
>> the news .
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
>> "Our goal is
>> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
>> could see that
>> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
>> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
>that a
>> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
>> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
>that
>> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
>> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
>inclined to
>> donate $100.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Howie
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>>
>>
>> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
>> >
>> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
>report
>> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
>things,
>> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
>> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
>> >
>> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
>And
>> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
>> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
>information we
>> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
>> >
>> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
>afterwards, if
>> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
>do
>> > with it.. I'm sure.
>> >
>> > Just my .02
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Ryan Pieszak]

No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What about
Buffalo, NY?

-Original Message-
From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida? 

Good Fortune,
Richard Walters,
Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(800) 604-5227 x 3525

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
consuming that gift.

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> get back to
> the news .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> "Our goal is
> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> could see that
> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
that a
> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
that
> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
inclined to
> donate $100.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >
> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
report
> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
things,
> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
And
> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
information we
> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >
> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
afterwards, if
> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
do
> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
>
>
>
>
> 



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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Shawn Grover]

Nah, go exotic, bring it north... to Calgary... then I don't have to travel
so farLOL

But then again, Florida sounds nice.. h  business trip maybe.

Shawn Grover

-Original Message-
From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida?

Good Fortune,
Richard Walters,
Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(800) 604-5227 x 3525

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
consuming that gift.

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> get back to
> the news .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> "Our goal is
> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> could see that
> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
that a
> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
that
> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
inclined to
> donate $100.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >
> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
report
> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
things,
> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
And
> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
information we
> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >
> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
afterwards, if
> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
do
> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
>
>
>
>
>



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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[cstredway]

I sent my $10.. I am thankful for this list and the 
services that Michael provides.

--
Clint Tredway
--
Through Him, anything is possible.
> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=mdinowit%40i-2000.com
> We're currently at $378.23
> 
> At 01:23 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
> >I missed the part where someone mentioned a paypal address?
> >
> >> Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug, or
> >> license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> >> > To: CF-Talk
> >> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> >> > get back to
> >> > the news .
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> >> > To: CF-Talk
> >> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> >> > "Our goal is
> >> > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> >> > To: CF-Talk
> >> > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> >> > could see that
> >> > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> >> > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
> >> > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> >> > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
> >> > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> >> > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
> >> > donate $100.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Howie
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> >> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >> > >
> >> > > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
> >> > > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
> >> > > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> >> > > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >> > >
> >> > > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. And
> >> > > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> >> > > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
> >> > > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >> > >
> >> > > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
> >> > > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
> >> > > with it.. I'm sure.
> >> > >
> >> > > Just my .02
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> 
> >
> 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Michael Dinowitz]

https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=mdinowit%40i-2000.com
We're currently at $378.23

At 01:23 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>I missed the part where someone mentioned a paypal address?
>
>> Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug, or
>> license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
>>
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
>> > To: CF-Talk
>> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>> >
>> >
>> > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
>> > get back to
>> > the news .
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-
>> > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
>> > To: CF-Talk
>> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>> >
>> >
>> > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
>> > "Our goal is
>> > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
>> > To: CF-Talk
>> > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>> >
>> >
>> > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
>> > could see that
>> > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
>> > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
>> > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
>> > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
>> > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
>> > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
>> > donate $100.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Howie
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
>> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>> >
>> >
>> > > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
>> > >
>> > > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
>> > > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
>> > > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
>> > > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
>> > >
>> > > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. And
>> > > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
>> > > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
>> > > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
>> > >
>> > > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
>> > > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
>> > > with it.. I'm sure.
>> > >
>> > > Just my .02
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Rick Walters]

Perhaps we should start planning the "CF-Talk Expo" here in Florida? 

Good Fortune,
Richard Walters,
Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
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(800) 604-5227 x 3525

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM >>>
We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
consuming that gift.

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> get back to
> the news .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> "Our goal is
> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> could see that
> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
that a
> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
that
> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
inclined to
> donate $100.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >
> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
report
> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
things,
> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
And
> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
information we
> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >
> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
afterwards, if
> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
do
> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
>
>
>
>
> 


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RE: [admin] List status

[Kevin Miller]

Microsoft's academic pricing a quite low.

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 10:11AM >>>
We could piggy back on a SQL box that's on the same network. It all has to do with the 
way the archives and the lists are interacting. In reality, they're one in the same 
and have to be together (I think I posted the layout).
Now what exactly do you mean by $500 for SQL 2k?

At 09:49 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>Michael are we talking getting an actually box at your place (or where ever to do 
>this) or you can you piggy back on an already live sql enterprise box (thats not even 
>close to being utilized)?  I am not sure how legal this might be or even if my boss 
>would go for it, but at $500 for sql 2000 enterprise (state prices!!!) maybe 
>something else could be done...
>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 08:59AM >>>
>I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but 
>when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs 
>versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just 
>wanted to pay for MS SQL.
>
>--
>Clint Tredway
>--
>Through Him, anything is possible.
>> Can you say crap. :)
>> 
>> I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
>> in comparison.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: [admin] List status
>> 
>> Can you say "MySQL?"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Margaret Fisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status
>> 
>> 
>> > Actually, we just priced this:
>> > 
>> > It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
>> about
>> > 20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
>> edition. The
>> > difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>

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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Ross]

We only have to pay that for a Enterprise license (I hope I don't get in trouble for 
saying that out loud..its an educational/state thing).  If stuff can sit 
somewhere else I could probably get my boss to provide space I don't know just try 
to help..or something  

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:11PM >>>
We could piggy back on a SQL box that's on the same network. It all has to do with the 
way the archives and the lists are interacting. In reality, they're one in the same 
and have to be together (I think I posted the layout).
Now what exactly do you mean by $500 for SQL 2k?

At 09:49 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>Michael are we talking getting an actually box at your place (or where ever to do 
>this) or you can you piggy back on an already live sql enterprise box (thats not even 
>close to being utilized)?  I am not sure how legal this might be or even if my boss 
>would go for it, but at $500 for sql 2000 enterprise (state prices!!!) maybe 
>something else could be done...
>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 08:59AM >>>
>I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but 
>when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs 
>versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just 
>wanted to pay for MS SQL.
>
>--
>Clint Tredway
>--
>Through Him, anything is possible.
>> Can you say crap. :)
>> 
>> I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
>> in comparison.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: [admin] List status
>> 
>> Can you say "MySQL?"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Margaret Fisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status
>> 
>> 
>> > Actually, we just priced this:
>> > 
>> > It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
>> about
>> > 20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
>> edition. The
>> > difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>

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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Kevin Miller]

We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been consuming that gift.

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM >>>
Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug, or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> get back to
> the news .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> "Our goal is
> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> could see that
> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
> donate $100.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >
> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. And
> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >
> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Kevin Schmidt]

Or you can get "My Voice Annoys the Hell Out of You" by Diane Rheim

-Original Message-
From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

No but you do get a copy of Bob Edwards new book "My voice is smoother
than
yours".

-Original Message-
From: David Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> get back to
> the news .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> "Our goal is
> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> could see that
> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
that a
> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
that
> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined
to
> donate $100.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >
> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
report
> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
things,
> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden"..
And
> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
information we
> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >
> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards,
if
> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
>
>
>
>
>


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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Tony Schreiber]

I missed the part where someone mentioned a paypal address?

> Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug, or
> license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> > get back to
> > the news .
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> > "Our goal is
> > $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> > could see that
> > the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> > inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
> > goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> > before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
> > there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> > that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
> > donate $100.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howie
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> >
> >
> > > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> > >
> > > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
> > > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
> > > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. And
> > > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
> > > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> > >
> > > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
> > > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
> > > with it.. I'm sure.
> > >
> > > Just my .02
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: [admin] List status

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Yeah - sign us up for that price (is that a vendor in the Caymen Islands or
what?)

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status


We could piggy back on a SQL box that's on the same network. It all has to
do with the way the archives and the lists are interacting. In reality,
they're one in the same and have to be together (I think I posted the
layout).
Now what exactly do you mean by $500 for SQL 2k?

At 09:49 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>Michael are we talking getting an actually box at your place (or where ever
to do this) or you can you piggy back on an already live sql enterprise box
(thats not even close to being utilized)?  I am not sure how legal this
might be or even if my boss would go for it, but at $500 for sql 2000
enterprise (state prices!!!) maybe something else could be done...
>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 08:59AM >>>
>I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but
>when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs
>versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just
>wanted to pay for MS SQL.
>
>--
>Clint Tredway
>--
>Through Him, anything is possible.
>> Can you say crap. :)
>>
>> I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
>> in comparison.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: [admin] List status
>>
>> Can you say "MySQL?"
>>
>> 
>>
>> ----- Original Message -
>> From: "Margaret Fisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status
>>
>>
>> > Actually, we just priced this:
>> >
>> > It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
>> about
>> > 20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
>> edition. The
>> > difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

No but you do get a copy of Bob Edwards new book "My voice is smoother than
yours".

-Original Message-
From: David Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug, or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> get back to
> the news .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> "Our goal is
> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> could see that
> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
> donate $100.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >
> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. And
> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >
> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[David Schmidt]

Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug, or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
> get back to
> the news .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
> "Our goal is
> $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
> could see that
> the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
> inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
> goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
> before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
> there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
> that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
> donate $100.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
> >
> > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
> > on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
> > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. And
> > I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
> > gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
> >
> > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
> > anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
> > with it.. I'm sure.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

We could piggy back on a SQL box that's on the same network. It all has to do with the 
way the archives and the lists are interacting. In reality, they're one in the same 
and have to be together (I think I posted the layout).
Now what exactly do you mean by $500 for SQL 2k?

At 09:49 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>Michael are we talking getting an actually box at your place (or where ever to do 
>this) or you can you piggy back on an already live sql enterprise box (thats not even 
>close to being utilized)?  I am not sure how legal this might be or even if my boss 
>would go for it, but at $500 for sql 2000 enterprise (state prices!!!) maybe 
>something else could be done...
>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 08:59AM >>>
>I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but 
>when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs 
>versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just 
>wanted to pay for MS SQL.
>
>--
>Clint Tredway
>--
>Through Him, anything is possible.
>> Can you say crap. :)
>> 
>> I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
>> in comparison.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: [admin] List status
>> 
>> Can you say "MySQL?"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Margaret Fisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status
>> 
>> 
>> > Actually, we just priced this:
>> > 
>> > It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
>> about
>> > 20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
>> edition. The
>> > difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>
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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

>Mike, who hosts the lists, do they have a dedicated SQL box that you
>could use rather than purchasing your own, or do you host the lists
>yourself?
CFHosting has been providing out bandwidth for the last year or three. They may have a 
shared SQL box and I've already contacted them about some of this. 




>-Original Message-
>From: David Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:57 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: [admin] List status
>
>> I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it
>pales
>> in comparison.
>>
>
>Yes, but compared to the performance of MS Access how does it do?  I'm
>just talking performance, not administration.  There are
>admin tools out there for the front end.
>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: [admin] List status
>>
>> Can you say "MySQL?"
>>
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Margaret Fisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
>> Subject: RE: [admin] List status
>>
>>
>> > Actually, we just priced this:
>> >
>> > It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
>> about
>> > 20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
>> edition. The
>> > difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
>> >
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will get back to
the news .

-Original Message-
From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR: "Our goal is
$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"

-Original Message-
From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone could see that
the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
donate $100.

Regards,

Howie

- Original Message -
From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
>
> Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
> on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
> and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
>
> Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. And
> I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
> gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
>
> Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
> anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
> with it.. I'm sure.
>
> Just my .02
>




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DB Servers RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

What didn't you like about MySQL? Was it a UI issue, a performance one or something 
else? I'm sure others would like to know the specifics and I definitely do.
Thanks

At 08:52 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>Can you say crap. :)
>
>I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
>in comparison.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: [admin] List status
>
>Can you say "MySQL?"
>
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Margaret Fisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
>Subject: RE: [admin] List status
>
>
>> Actually, we just priced this:
>> 
>> It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
>about
>> 20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
>edition. The
>> difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
>> 
>
>
>
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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

Actually, MM supplied the CF 5 server and will probably do the same for the CF MX 
server as well. I'm going to mention some of the projects and needs to people there 
but I'm not sure what'll come from it. On the other hand, I know that I'm useful to 
them. :)

At 12:56 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>I wonder if Macromedia could chip in?  Maybe supply some licensing for Michael?
>
>
>
>
>At 10:59 AM 5/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>>The paypal link is:
>>
>>https:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>
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RE: [admin] List status

[chad]

I wonder if Macromedia could chip in?  Maybe supply some licensing for Michael?




At 10:59 AM 5/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>The paypal link is:
>
>https:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Tony Gruen]

uh - excuse, I started this thread. I also just offered Michael hosting and
a dedicated machine in outr environment.

Tony Gruen

-Original Message-
From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


I propose a 10% cut, payable to myself since I'm the one who got this thread
rolling after all :P

Michael, your list helps in many ways. You should have a new payment in your
pay pal account. Thanks again.

Adam.

ps. My initial post wasn't serious; just in case you had any doubts.



> -Original Message-
> From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:15 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> Ok.. Putting on my "board of directors" hat...
>
> So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700,
> and at worst
> (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.
>
> To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
> (not NNTP) as "potential donors".  That makes it about 1400.
>
> After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
> wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
> I'm guessing more like $6500.
>
> Simple math says...
>
>   6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.
>
> Reality is, that's a "perfect world" scenario.  But it also shows that
> it's not a huge issue to overcome.
>
> So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
> $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate
> $200, then
> donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
> it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
> willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?
>
> Let's move this forward quickly, and support the
> person/entity that has
> tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.
>
> Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.
>
>
> Lee Fuller
> Chief Technical Officer
> PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
>
>
>
>
> | -Original Message-
> | From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> | Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:01 AM
> | To: CF-Talk
> | Subject: RE: [admin] List status
> |
> |
> | Sorry, Judith's sick in bed and I just got into work and
> | online. The list membership for CF-Talk has been down
> | reciently to 1856 members on list. If you add in the NNTP
> | readers, archive readers and all we'd have about double that.
> | This is the reason I want to provide better resources. To get
> | the information to more people through more channels.
> | My goal for the lists are to have them as lists with
> | immediate delivery, digests on the hour on up to once a day.
> | An archive that can be searched and posted from that will
> | include the proper threading (message id and reference id)
> | when a message is posed from them. An NNTP interface so that
> | a post can go from NNTP to the list and the archives in one
> | fell swoop. Finally, a web service interface so that other
> | devices can get the data.
> | This may sound like a lot of work but it's rather easy if
> | done in steps. The staggered digests and the archive are
> | done. Plugging a verity search into that is simple to do and
> | automating parts of it are one of my specialties (I think I
> | use the scheduler more than anyone else around). The posting
> | from the archives to the list is done on the back end and
> | just needs a nice front end for it. I wrote a new CF_MakeTree
> | that's tighter than hell to get the threading done right.
> | NNTP is something that I'm talking to someone about and they
> | can comment on it if they want. Web services is just a quick
> | CFC to the archives with no real front end.
> | Step by step it's being done and will get done.
> |
> | At 11:21 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
> | >Still didn't hear...
> | >
> | >Michael,
> | >
> | >How many of us on this list?  And do you have any stats on
> | how many are
> | >"active"?
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
>

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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Michael Dinowitz]

An indicator of what's been given is a good idea. I'm not so hot on publishing who 
gave or not for a simple reason, I don't want anyone to feel bad about not giving or 
giving less than anyone else. Despite my reputation as the evil one (blessed be me), I 
do care about others feelings. :)

At 12:21 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
>Personally, I think that people would be more willing to donate if there was some 
>kind of indication as to the toal amount needed
>(itemized) and an indicator of the amount donated.  Having some kind of meter would 
>be helpful.  Something like:
>
>$10,000 -- Our goal
>|
>|
>$7500
>|
>|
>$5000
>|
>-- $3500 Donated so far
>|
>$2500
>|
>|
>--
>
>Also, a list of the top 10 or so contributors would be good.
>
>This way, potential donors could get an idea about what the goal is, how much is 
>needed for the goal and the current status.   The
>top contributors list would be a good way to thank the people that donated the most.
>
>Regards,
>
>Howie
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:14 PM
>Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
>> Ok.. Putting on my "board of directors" hat...
>>
>> So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, and at worst
>> (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.
>>
>> To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
>> (not NNTP) as "potential donors".  That makes it about 1400.
>>
>> After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
>> wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
>> I'm guessing more like $6500.
>>
>> Simple math says...
>>
>> 6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.
>>
>> Reality is, that's a "perfect world" scenario.  But it also shows that
>> it's not a huge issue to overcome.
>>
>> So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
>> $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate $200, then
>> donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
>> it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
>> willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?
>>
>> Let's move this forward quickly, and support the person/entity that has
>> tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.
>>
>> Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.
>>
>>
>> Lee Fuller
>> Chief Technical Officer
>> PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
>>
>>
>
>
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Ian Lurie]

I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR: "Our goal is
$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!"

-Original Message-
From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone could see that
the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
donate $100.

Regards,

Howie

- Original Message -
From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
>
> Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
> on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
> and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
>
> Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. And
> I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
> gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
>
> Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
> anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
> with it.. I'm sure.
>
> Just my .02
>



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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Lee Fuller]

Very true...  And in retrospect, I agree.

Nonetheless, I think Michael will report whatever he gets.. So it's
proabably a moot issue.



| -Original Message-
| From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
| 
| 
| I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone 
| could see that the goal was not yet reached then they would 
| be more inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic 
| and need to see that a goal was not reached.  If, say, 
| someone waits a few weeks before donating they may throw in 
| 10 bucks because they may figure that there were enough 
| donations.  If, however, they could see that the donations 
| were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to donate $100.
| 
| Regards,
| 
| Howie
| 
| - Original Message -
| From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
| Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
| 
| 
| > Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
| >
| > Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will 
| > report on what's left after his decisions are made about 
| how to handle things,
| > and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
| > group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
| >
| > Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. 
| > And I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, 
| ANYTHING he 
| > receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless 
| information 
| > we gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
| >
| > Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there 
| afterwards, 
| > if anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote 
| on what to 
| > do with it.. I'm sure.
| >
| > Just my .02
| >
| 
| 
| 
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RE: [admin] List status

[Ryan Kime]

Hey Michael,

This sounds great! Can I suggest something for the people that get the list
at work? How about a weekend hiatus digest version? Something for people
that read during the week but don't view the list on weekends and want to
stay up with what happened with a simple digest email or two. Just a
thought.

I like the digest-an-hour idea...this list is great, but my inbox gets
pummeled on some days.


Thanks for your hard work,

Ryan Kime

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status


Sorry, Judith's sick in bed and I just got into work and online. The list
membership for CF-Talk has been down reciently to 1856 members on list. If
you add in the NNTP readers, archive readers and all we'd have about double
that. This is the reason I want to provide better resources. To get the
information to more people through more channels. 
My goal for the lists are to have them as lists with immediate delivery,
digests on the hour on up to once a day. An archive that can be searched and
posted from that will include the proper threading (message id and reference
id) when a message is posed from them. An NNTP interface so that a post can
go from NNTP to the list and the archives in one fell swoop. Finally, a web
service interface so that other devices can get the data. 
This may sound like a lot of work but it's rather easy if done in steps. The
staggered digests and the archive are done. Plugging a verity search into
that is simple to do and automating parts of it are one of my specialties (I
think I use the scheduler more than anyone else around). The posting from
the archives to the list is done on the back end and just needs a nice front
end for it. I wrote a new CF_MakeTree that's tighter than hell to get the
threading done right. NNTP is something that I'm talking to someone about
and they can comment on it if they want. Web services is just a quick CFC to
the archives with no real front end. 
Step by step it's being done and will get done. 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Howie Hamlin]

I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone could see that the goal 
was not yet reached then they would be more
inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a goal was 
not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that there were 
enough donations.  If, however, they could see
that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to donate $100.

Regards,

Howie

- Original Message -
From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )
>
> Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
> on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
> and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
> group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
>
> Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. And
> I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
> receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
> gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
>
> Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
> anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
> with it.. I'm sure.
>
> Just my .02
>


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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Lee Fuller]

Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! )

Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.

Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be "hidden".. And
I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
gain from this list, and ultimately his support.

Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
with it.. I'm sure.

Just my .02



| -Original Message-
| From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:22 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
| 
| 
| Personally, I think that people would be more willing to 
| donate if there was some kind of indication as to the toal 
| amount needed
| (itemized) and an indicator of the amount donated.  Having 
| some kind of meter would be helpful.  Something like:
| 
| $10,000 -- Our goal
| |
| |
| $7500
| |
| |
| $5000
| |
| -- $3500 Donated so far
| |
| $2500
| |
| |
| --
| 
| Also, a list of the top 10 or so contributors would be good.
| 
| This way, potential donors could get an idea about what the 
| goal is, how much is needed for the goal and the current status.   The
| top contributors list would be a good way to thank the people 
| that donated the most.
| 
| Regards,
| 
| Howie
| 
| - Original Message -
| From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:14 PM
| Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
| 
| 
| > Ok.. Putting on my "board of directors" hat...
| >
| > So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, and at 
| > worst (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.
| >
| > To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual 
| subscriber base 
| > (not NNTP) as "potential donors".  That makes it about 1400.
| >
| > After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, 
| even with the 
| > wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems 
| (thanks guys!!). 
| > I'm guessing more like $6500.
| >
| > Simple math says...
| >
| > 6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.
| >
| > Reality is, that's a "perfect world" scenario.  But it also 
| shows that 
| > it's not a huge issue to overcome.
| >
| > So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do 
| so.  Donate 
| > $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate $200, 
| > then donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the 
| number above in 
| > 1/2, it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  
| > So, I'm willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?
| >
| > Let's move this forward quickly, and support the person/entity that 
| > has tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.
| >
| > Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.
| >
| >
| > Lee Fuller
| > Chief Technical Officer
| > PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
| >
| >
| 
| 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Cantrell, Adam]

I propose a 10% cut, payable to myself since I'm the one who got this thread
rolling after all :P

Michael, your list helps in many ways. You should have a new payment in your
pay pal account. Thanks again.

Adam.

ps. My initial post wasn't serious; just in case you had any doubts.



> -Original Message-
> From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:15 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
> 
> 
> Ok.. Putting on my "board of directors" hat...
> 
> So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, 
> and at worst
> (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.
> 
> To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
> (not NNTP) as "potential donors".  That makes it about 1400.
> 
> After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
> wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
> I'm guessing more like $6500.
> 
> Simple math says...
> 
>   6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.
> 
> Reality is, that's a "perfect world" scenario.  But it also shows that
> it's not a huge issue to overcome.
> 
> So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
> $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate 
> $200, then
> donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
> it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
> willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?
> 
> Let's move this forward quickly, and support the 
> person/entity that has
> tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.
> 
> Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.
> 
>  
> Lee Fuller
> Chief Technical Officer
> PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
>  
>  
> 
> 
> | -Original Message-
> | From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> | Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:01 AM
> | To: CF-Talk
> | Subject: RE: [admin] List status
> | 
> | 
> | Sorry, Judith's sick in bed and I just got into work and 
> | online. The list membership for CF-Talk has been down 
> | reciently to 1856 members on list. If you add in the NNTP 
> | readers, archive readers and all we'd have about double that. 
> | This is the reason I want to provide better resources. To get 
> | the information to more people through more channels. 
> | My goal for the lists are to have them as lists with 
> | immediate delivery, digests on the hour on up to once a day. 
> | An archive that can be searched and posted from that will 
> | include the proper threading (message id and reference id) 
> | when a message is posed from them. An NNTP interface so that 
> | a post can go from NNTP to the list and the archives in one 
> | fell swoop. Finally, a web service interface so that other 
> | devices can get the data. 
> | This may sound like a lot of work but it's rather easy if 
> | done in steps. The staggered digests and the archive are 
> | done. Plugging a verity search into that is simple to do and 
> | automating parts of it are one of my specialties (I think I 
> | use the scheduler more than anyone else around). The posting 
> | from the archives to the list is done on the back end and 
> | just needs a nice front end for it. I wrote a new CF_MakeTree 
> | that's tighter than hell to get the threading done right. 
> | NNTP is something that I'm talking to someone about and they 
> | can comment on it if they want. Web services is just a quick 
> | CFC to the archives with no real front end. 
> | Step by step it's being done and will get done. 
> | 
> | At 11:21 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
> | >Still didn't hear...
> | >
> | >Michael,
> | >
> | >How many of us on this list?  And do you have any stats on 
> | how many are 
> | >"active"?
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | 
> 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Paul Giesenhagen]

I already gave yesterday, but I agree if we knew the costs, we could see
where everyone is at and then add accordingly...  I would be willing to pump
in more money, if I knew where we stood!

Paul Giesenhagen
QuillDesign



> Personally, I think that people would be more willing to donate if there
was some kind of indication as to the toal amount needed
> (itemized) and an indicator of the amount donated.  Having some kind of
meter would be helpful.  Something like:
>
> $10,000 -- Our goal
> |
> |
> $7500
> |
> |
> $5000
> |
> -- $3500 Donated so far
> |
> $2500
> |
> |
> --
>
> Also, a list of the top 10 or so contributors would be good.
>
> This way, potential donors could get an idea about what the goal is, how
much is needed for the goal and the current status.   The
> top contributors list would be a good way to thank the people that donated
the most.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
>
>
> > Ok.. Putting on my "board of directors" hat...
> >
> > So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, and at worst
> > (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.
> >
> > To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
> > (not NNTP) as "potential donors".  That makes it about 1400.
> >
> > After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
> > wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
> > I'm guessing more like $6500.
> >
> > Simple math says...
> >
> > 6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.
> >
> > Reality is, that's a "perfect world" scenario.  But it also shows that
> > it's not a huge issue to overcome.
> >
> > So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
> > $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate $200, then
> > donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
> > it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
> > willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?
> >
> > Let's move this forward quickly, and support the person/entity that has
> > tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.
> >
> > Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.
> >
> >
> > Lee Fuller
> > Chief Technical Officer
> > PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
> >
> >
>
> 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Robert Forsyth]

>>Already gave at the paypal office  - in for 75.


what's the paypal address...I'm in.

Robert Forsyth 
Director of Internet Operations
Allbritton Communications Company (WJLA-TV)
202-364-7831 (direct)
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Howie Hamlin]

Personally, I think that people would be more willing to donate if there was some kind 
of indication as to the toal amount needed
(itemized) and an indicator of the amount donated.  Having some kind of meter would be 
helpful.  Something like:

$10,000 -- Our goal
|
|
$7500
|
|
$5000
|
-- $3500 Donated so far
|
$2500
|
|
--

Also, a list of the top 10 or so contributors would be good.

This way, potential donors could get an idea about what the goal is, how much is 
needed for the goal and the current status.   The
top contributors list would be a good way to thank the people that donated the most.

Regards,

Howie

- Original Message -
From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


> Ok.. Putting on my "board of directors" hat...
>
> So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, and at worst
> (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.
>
> To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
> (not NNTP) as "potential donors".  That makes it about 1400.
>
> After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
> wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
> I'm guessing more like $6500.
>
> Simple math says...
>
> 6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.
>
> Reality is, that's a "perfect world" scenario.  But it also shows that
> it's not a huge issue to overcome.
>
> So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
> $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate $200, then
> donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
> it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
> willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?
>
> Let's move this forward quickly, and support the person/entity that has
> tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.
>
> Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.
>
>
> Lee Fuller
> Chief Technical Officer
> PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
>
>

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