Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Yet to hear anyone talk in depth about coral web builder... http://www.pcaonline.com/index.cfm?DocID=10082 Surprised no one from their team has stepped up. Or did I miss something? That's because Coral Web Builder is terrible? - It doesn't support Session, Client, Application nor Server scopes. - Doesn't support CFCs. - Requires double quotes always, never single quotes. And that's just what they admit to on their own website - no comprehensive list of tags/functions though. There's also IgniteFusion and DigitalLattice Orange as other engines. I can't currently get to either of their websites, but there wasn't anything interesting last time I did. http://www.ignitefusion.com/ http://www.digitallattice.com/products/orange *shrug* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313590 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
On Tuesday 07 Oct 2008, Philip Kaplan wrote: Railo vs BlueDragon vs Smith vs ?? http://www.rachaelandtom.info/what-works-where-on-what Although it really depends on what you're doing with it (for instance, if you need to redistribute a CF server bundled with your closed-source application, you can't use OpenBD). -- Tom Chiverton Helping to efficiently mesh products This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313593 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Although it really depends on what you're doing with it (for instance, if you need to redistribute a CF server bundled with your closed-source application, you can't use OpenBD). I've not worked with OpenBD yet, but in my experience with BD in the past, and with Railo, BD seems to model ColdFusion and how it works a little closer. They often added new stuff like cfimage and cfthread before Adobe, but for the most part, using it was not much different than using ColdFusion. Railo is quite a different engine and takes a little more getting used to but seems to be a bit more cutting-edge in terms of its ability to do a lot of settings on a per-website basis, lots of additional settings to help tweak performance, it has a lot of neat features that you just don't see in these other products. Its compatibility out-of-the-box has improved a lot as well, and it just really is fun to work with, particularly if you can leverage some of its time-saving features. It's biggest drawback is still the documentation but this is a primary focus for them right now so hopefully that will be a moot point in the future. --- Mary Jo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313604 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
I tried openBD on my xserve and really had a hard time getting it to run right and was a bit of a pita... Soon as I have some spare time I am going to try to get railo up and running on it and see how it goes. There isn't much out there on getting it to run on os x yet so might take a bit to get it rollin. If it is to difficult I will be ordering a new cfm license for that server... Really sucks to have this 8 core monster server sitting there doing nothing. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313624 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Since both Railo and OpenBD are JEE wars it should not be any different is Railo is doing something different that is easier please point it out OpeanBD can do the exact same things from a deployment perspective. Adam On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I will go first then. The answer is: It depends. Like Adam pointed out both of them are mature and very capable engines. Both have their stronger/weaker points, it is just matters what you are looking for. My over all impression is that those more comfortable in a J2EE environment may favor OBD where Railo is more inline with those more comfortable with traditional CF environment. I have evaluated them both on Windows 2003 and Centos Linux as stand alone servers, running as WAR's on top of Tomcat, and in conjunction with Apache and IIS, with my intention of using them as a primary CF engine for projects. And based entirely on my personal preferences I have made the decision to go with Railo. I like both. I have worked with the paid version of BD's Server JX and came This close to buying JX a couple of years ago. I foresee using both of them in a production environment in the future, but at this juncture I am partial to Railo. These are the factors that went into choosing one over the other. -- Railo comes packaged with connectors for Apache and IIS. OBD connects to Apache using a proxy (mod_proxy_ajp/mod_proxy) and TTBOMK you need a third party module to connect OBD to IIS. My understanding that Apache takes a significant performance hit when used as a proxy to a J2EE server (This effects both Railo and OBD). I don't know if the same is true for Railo's connectors. It is arguably more dificult (a steeper learing curve) to get OBD running side by side with PHP under Apache than it is with Railo. It requires a non-trivial understanding of Apache's .conf files to run OBD side by side with PHP. At least this was my experience when running OBD under Tomcat. Perhaps others have had a different experience. BTW I have not tried running OBD side by side with PHP on IIS. OBD is Licensed under GPL, while the soon to be open sourced Railo 3.1 will be Licensed under under the LGPL. This means you have the option to bundle commercial apps with Railo with out having to open source the commercial apps under the GPL license, while with OBD any apps that you bundle with it must be released under the GPL license. IMO LGPL is much more flexibility in this respect. Railo has (and the OS version will be released with) a mature, production ready web GUI wheres OBD does not. OBD is rolling their own Admin and it is not production ready. It has no login/security and they even state on their site that Currently has no security in place, we do NOT advise using the admin console in its current state on a production or otherwise important instance of OpenBD. On the up side for OBD is that you can use the admin of Blue Dragons developers version to create the XML and copy it to your OBD instance. You have to restart OBD in order to add a datasource. Correct me if I am wrong on this but last I knew Railo is part of the CFML Language Advisory Committee and will be working with Adobe in defining the a CFML Standard. It is my understanding that, for what ever reason, OBD is not a part of the Committee. Railo is more CF 8 compliant than OBD. Railo is a couple dozen tags and functions short of Adobe CF 8. OBD is still pretty much V.7. A major factor in my my decision making process was Railo's inclusion of cfdbinfo. If I am mistaken or missinformed on any of this please feel free to correct me. Thanx ~G~ -- Gets a new bag of popcorn. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Philip Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Railo vs BlueDragon vs Smith vs ?? http://www.smithproject.org/ http://www.newatlanta.com/bluedragon/ http://www.railo.ch/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313628 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Since both Railo and OpenBD are JEE wars it should not be any different. Adam, you're absolutely correct .When deployed as WAR's they are the same. I neglected to mention that. Thanx for point that out. The Railo Server version is deployed using Resin. Apache uses mod_caucho to connect Resin/Railo. It is more akin to how Adobe connects to Jrun. The Railo folks have a how-to on their blog on connecting the server version to Apache. While the post is for v. 2.0, it is basically the same for 3.0. http://www.railo.ch/blog/index.cfm/2008/5/2/Railo-and-Apache Thanx ~G~ On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since both Railo and OpenBD are JEE wars it should not be any different is Railo is doing something different that is easier please point it out OpeanBD can do the exact same things from a deployment perspective. Adam ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313633 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
G, I'm assuming you're deploying on Windows? -Jordan - Original Message - From: Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 2:18:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Best free ColdFusion server? Since both Railo and OpenBD are JEE wars it should not be any different. Adam, you're absolutely correct .When deployed as WAR's they are the same. I neglected to mention that. Thanx for point that out. The Railo Server version is deployed using Resin. Apache uses mod_caucho to connect Resin/Railo. It is more akin to how Adobe connects to Jrun. The Railo folks have a how-to on their blog on connecting the server version to Apache. While the post is for v. 2.0, it is basically the same for 3.0. http://www.railo.ch/blog/index.cfm/2008/5/2/Railo-and-Apache Thanx ~G~ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313635 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Hey Jordan. That is correct. I have the server version(s) running on Windows using both Apache and IIS. I have a WAR version running on a Apache/Tomcat/Centos VM. I have an instance of OBD on the VM as well. Thanx G On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: G, I'm assuming you're deploying on Windows? -Jordan - Original Message - From: Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 2:18:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Best free ColdFusion server? Since both Railo and OpenBD are JEE wars it should not be any different. Adam, you're absolutely correct .When deployed as WAR's they are the same. I neglected to mention that. Thanx for point that out. The Railo Server version is deployed using Resin. Apache uses mod_caucho to connect Resin/Railo. It is more akin to how Adobe connects to Jrun. The Railo folks have a how-to on their blog on connecting the server version to Apache. While the post is for v. 2.0, it is basically the same for 3.0. http://www.railo.ch/blog/index.cfm/2008/5/2/Railo-and-Apache Thanx ~G~ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313637 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Thanks everyone. Based on your suggestions, I just installed Railo on a Windows box and so far it's working flawlessly. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Jordan. That is correct. I have the server version(s) running on Windows using both Apache and IIS. I have a WAR version running on a Apache/Tomcat/Centos VM. I have an instance of OBD on the VM as well. Thanx G On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G, I'm assuming you're deploying on Windows? -Jordan - Original Message - From: Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 2:18:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Best free ColdFusion server? Since both Railo and OpenBD are JEE wars it should not be any different. Adam, you're absolutely correct .When deployed as WAR's they are the same. I neglected to mention that. Thanx for point that out. The Railo Server version is deployed using Resin. Apache uses mod_caucho to connect Resin/Railo. It is more akin to how Adobe connects to Jrun. The Railo folks have a how-to on their blog on connecting the server version to Apache. While the post is for v. 2.0, it is basically the same for 3.0. http://www.railo.ch/blog/index.cfm/2008/5/2/Railo-and-Apache Thanx ~G~ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313649 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Not a problem. I have a bunch of tutes on my interblogs on setting up CF8, OBD and Railo on various servers. It is a bit of a hobby of mine. A lot of this is dated based on my experience level when I wrote them so try not to giggle when reading them :-} One day I will get around to updating them. http://www.myinternetisbroken.com/index.cfm/Blue-Dragon http://www.myinternetisbroken.com/index.cfm/2007/12/19/A-Complete-Cross-Platform-PHP-JSP-and-ColdFusion-Development-Environment-on-a-Stick-20 http://www.myinternetisbroken.com/index.cfm/2007/3/4/A-Complete-Cross-Platform-PHP-JSP-JAVA-and-ColdFusion-Development-Environment-on-a-Stick http://www.myinternetisbroken.com/index.cfm/2008/10/5/Setting-up-Railo-3-Community-in-a-SharedDedicated-hosting-Environment But yeah I love CF and OSS and both of them together makes me a bit giddy, so I get a little impassioned at times. Thanx ~G~ On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Philip Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone. Based on your suggestions, I just installed Railo on a Windows box and so far it's working flawlessly. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Jordan. That is correct. I have the server version(s) running on Windows using both Apache and IIS. I have a WAR version running on a Apache/Tomcat/Centos VM. I have an instance of OBD on the VM as well. Thanx G On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G, I'm assuming you're deploying on Windows? -Jordan - Original Message - From: Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 2:18:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Best free ColdFusion server? Since both Railo and OpenBD are JEE wars it should not be any different. Adam, you're absolutely correct .When deployed as WAR's they are the same. I neglected to mention that. Thanx for point that out. The Railo Server version is deployed using Resin. Apache uses mod_caucho to connect Resin/Railo. It is more akin to how Adobe connects to Jrun. The Railo folks have a how-to on their blog on connecting the server version to Apache. While the post is for v. 2.0, it is basically the same for 3.0. http://www.railo.ch/blog/index.cfm/2008/5/2/Railo-and-Apache Thanx ~G~ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313652 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
I am going to make some popcorn On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Philip Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Railo vs BlueDragon vs Smith vs ?? http://www.smithproject.org/ http://www.newatlanta.com/bluedragon/ http://www.railo.ch/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313553 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Hehe. I figured this has been discussed to death on cf-talk, but not since I've been a subscriber. Can someone give me a Cliff's Notes version? On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I am going to make some popcorn On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Philip Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Railo vs BlueDragon vs Smith vs ?? http://www.smithproject.org/ http://www.newatlanta.com/bluedragon/ http://www.railo.ch/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313555 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Railo vs BlueDragon vs Smith vs ?? Smith doesn't have anywhere near enough compatibility with CF, nor any distinguishing features to set it apart - it would need a lot of work before I'd consider it worth considering/comparing. Railo vs OpenBD is probably going to end up in the same vein as the Unreal vs Quake / vi vs Emacs / battles - i.e. both capable options so a matter of taste. They both offer Jetty-based versions which allow you to download and go: Railo Express - http://railo.ch/en/index.cfm?treeID=200 OpenBD Ready2Run - http://www.openbluedragon.org/download.cfm Try them both and see which one you prefer. Earlier this year I created a comparison of the features between ColdFusion, Railo, OpenBD and BD.NET a while ago, but it is currently out of date - I'm waiting to see what happens with the CFML Language Advisory Committee, and if they make all my efforts redundant or not. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313560 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Both are capable engines. Right now I'd say Railo has a better compatibility with ColdFusion 8.0 but OpenBD is improving in that area. They both take different routes to deliver the engines capabilities. Both are very capable engines with a wealth of support from inside and outside of the ColdFusion community. They're also both forgien so either way your money if going over seas ;) Adam On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Philip Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Railo vs BlueDragon vs Smith vs ?? http://www.smithproject.org/ http://www.newatlanta.com/bluedragon/ http://www.railo.ch/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313562 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
Where is OpenBD based out of? On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both are capable engines. Right now I'd say Railo has a better compatibility with ColdFusion 8.0 but OpenBD is improving in that area. They both take different routes to deliver the engines capabilities. Both are very capable engines with a wealth of support from inside and outside of the ColdFusion community. They're also both forgien so either way your money if going over seas ;) Adam On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Philip Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Railo vs BlueDragon vs Smith vs ?? http://www.smithproject.org/ http://www.newatlanta.com/bluedragon/ http://www.railo.ch/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313563 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
They're also both forgien so either way your money if going over seas ;) Unless you happen to be half-Swiss half-Scottish. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313566 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
lol Adam. What money? Last I checked both OpenBD was free. You been passing Alan some money on the side? BTW, URL for OpenBD is as follows (since it wasn't included in previous post): http://www.openbluedragon.org/ Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Open BlueDragon Steering Committee Adobe Solution Provider Adam Haskell wrote: Both are capable engines. Right now I'd say Railo has a better compatibility with ColdFusion 8.0 but OpenBD is improving in that area. They both take different routes to deliver the engines capabilities. Both are very capable engines with a wealth of support from inside and outside of the ColdFusion community. They're also both forgien so either way your money if going over seas ;) Adam On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Philip Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Railo vs BlueDragon vs Smith vs ?? http://www.smithproject.org/ http://www.newatlanta.com/bluedragon/ http://www.railo.ch/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313568 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
I guess I will go first then. The answer is: It depends. Like Adam pointed out both of them are mature and very capable engines. Both have their stronger/weaker points, it is just matters what you are looking for. My over all impression is that those more comfortable in a J2EE environment may favor OBD where Railo is more inline with those more comfortable with traditional CF environment. I have evaluated them both on Windows 2003 and Centos Linux as stand alone servers, running as WAR's on top of Tomcat, and in conjunction with Apache and IIS, with my intention of using them as a primary CF engine for projects. And based entirely on my personal preferences I have made the decision to go with Railo. I like both. I have worked with the paid version of BD's Server JX and came This close to buying JX a couple of years ago. I foresee using both of them in a production environment in the future, but at this juncture I am partial to Railo. These are the factors that went into choosing one over the other. -- Railo comes packaged with connectors for Apache and IIS. OBD connects to Apache using a proxy (mod_proxy_ajp/mod_proxy) and TTBOMK you need a third party module to connect OBD to IIS. My understanding that Apache takes a significant performance hit when used as a proxy to a J2EE server (This effects both Railo and OBD). I don't know if the same is true for Railo's connectors. It is arguably more dificult (a steeper learing curve) to get OBD running side by side with PHP under Apache than it is with Railo. It requires a non-trivial understanding of Apache's .conf files to run OBD side by side with PHP. At least this was my experience when running OBD under Tomcat. Perhaps others have had a different experience. BTW I have not tried running OBD side by side with PHP on IIS. OBD is Licensed under GPL, while the soon to be open sourced Railo 3.1 will be Licensed under under the LGPL. This means you have the option to bundle commercial apps with Railo with out having to open source the commercial apps under the GPL license, while with OBD any apps that you bundle with it must be released under the GPL license. IMO LGPL is much more flexibility in this respect. Railo has (and the OS version will be released with) a mature, production ready web GUI wheres OBD does not. OBD is rolling their own Admin and it is not production ready. It has no login/security and they even state on their site that Currently has no security in place, we do NOT advise using the admin console in its current state on a production or otherwise important instance of OpenBD. On the up side for OBD is that you can use the admin of Blue Dragons developers version to create the XML and copy it to your OBD instance. You have to restart OBD in order to add a datasource. Correct me if I am wrong on this but last I knew Railo is part of the CFML Language Advisory Committee and will be working with Adobe in defining the a CFML Standard. It is my understanding that, for what ever reason, OBD is not a part of the Committee. Railo is more CF 8 compliant than OBD. Railo is a couple dozen tags and functions short of Adobe CF 8. OBD is still pretty much V.7. A major factor in my my decision making process was Railo's inclusion of cfdbinfo. If I am mistaken or missinformed on any of this please feel free to correct me. Thanx ~G~ -- Gets a new bag of popcorn. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Philip Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Railo vs BlueDragon vs Smith vs ?? http://www.smithproject.org/ http://www.newatlanta.com/bluedragon/ http://www.railo.ch/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313583 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Best free ColdFusion server?
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Philip Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WASRailo vs BlueDragon vs Smith vs ?? http://www.smithproject.org/ http://www.newatlanta.com/bluedragon/ http://www.railo.ch/ Yet to hear anyone talk in depth about coral web builder... http://www.pcaonline.com/index.cfm?DocID=10082 Surprised no one from their team has stepped up. Or did I miss something? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:313585 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
