Re: Total Execution Time
That is a depends on question. A Good execute time is short enough to keep the average (super impatient) web user from giving up and going somewhere else. For any website I shoot for under 100ms for a single page load. As traffic scales up I may allow up to 500ms before thinking it's time to added resources or re-optimize existing resources. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jul 12, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Torrent Girl wrote: What is a good total execution time to aim for in Coldfusion? Is there a standard benchmark? Thank you. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346191 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
200ms is considered to be slow by CF as default. I would certainly make 1000ms my absolute maximum and even then there should be a very good reason a page to even be that slow, such as heavy query that cannot be avoided or loading content from external sites or something. Russ On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Torrent Girl moniqueb...@gmail.com wrote: What is a good total execution time to aim for in Coldfusion? Is there a standard benchmark? Thank you. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346192 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
Don't forget that CF execution time is just one part of the entire package of things that will impact the time it takes for the user to see the end result. CF can spit everything out in 1ms, but if you have other issues, then they will still think your site is slow. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: 200ms is considered to be slow by CF as default. I would certainly make 1000ms my absolute maximum and even then there should be a very good reason a page to even be that slow, such as heavy query that cannot be avoided or loading content from external sites or something. Russ On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Torrent Girl moniqueb...@gmail.com wrote: What is a good total execution time to aim for in Coldfusion? Is there a standard benchmark? Thank you. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346193 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Total Execution Time
Depends on the site and application is it data mining? Ecommerce? Public? Intranet? A public site designed for marketing and/or sales should target 50 to 150ms. there may be pages that should be considered separately from your average - like the shopping cart page that sends transactions to your gateway for example - it might naturally take 300 or 400 miliseconds because it has to wait for a response. But internal applications might have a much higher threshold before you have to worry too much. -mark Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Torrent Girl [mailto:moniqueb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:06 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Total Execution Time What is a good total execution time to aim for in Coldfusion? Is there a standard benchmark? Thank you. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346194 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
0.001 ms On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote: Depends on the site and application is it data mining? Ecommerce? Public? Intranet? A public site designed for marketing and/or sales should target 50 to 150ms. there may be pages that should be considered separately from your average - like the shopping cart page that sends transactions to your gateway for example - it might naturally take 300 or 400 miliseconds because it has to wait for a response. But internal applications might have a much higher threshold before you have to worry too much. -mark Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Torrent Girl [mailto:moniqueb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:06 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Total Execution Time What is a good total execution time to aim for in Coldfusion? Is there a standard benchmark? Thank you. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346195 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
What is a good total execution time to aim for in Coldfusion? Is there a standard benchmark? Thank you. Thanks All. I am converting ASP code to CF 9 and have someone comparing the page load results to the ASP server and they are supposedly getting faster times on the ASP server. I told her that I develop my pages within a certain benchmark (the pages she tested have a 45 MS total execution time) and I am not understanding why we are comparing the CF and ASP servers. Would any of you recommend this? It doesn't make sense to me. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346196 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
Well, converting a site from one platform to another may not be very comparable. At least not until the final product is done and optimized. There are a lot of factors to execution times including many factors outside of ColdFusion. Database, OS, JVM Tuning, firewall(s), proxies, IIS/Apache and so on. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Torrent Girl wrote: What is a good total execution time to aim for in Coldfusion? Is there a standard benchmark? Thank you. Thanks All. I am converting ASP code to CF 9 and have someone comparing the page load results to the ASP server and they are supposedly getting faster times on the ASP server. I told her that I develop my pages within a certain benchmark (the pages she tested have a 45 MS total execution time) and I am not understanding why we are comparing the CF and ASP servers. Would any of you recommend this? It doesn't make sense to me. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346197 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
Well it seems normal for a client to test what is being replaced (ASP) with what's replacing it (CF) to make sure they aren't heading backwards. Perhaps I missed the point of your question? ;-) Cheers On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 13:54 -0400, Torrent Girl wrote: What is a good total execution time to aim for in Coldfusion? Is there a standard benchmark? Thank you. Thanks All. I am converting ASP code to CF 9 and have someone comparing the page load results to the ASP server and they are supposedly getting faster times on the ASP server. I told her that I develop my pages within a certain benchmark (the pages she tested have a 45 MS total execution time) and I am not understanding why we are comparing the CF and ASP servers. Would any of you recommend this? It doesn't make sense to me. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346198 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Total Execution Time
Remember that the first run of a CF page compiles the page to java byte code. For comparison you should only be testing subsequent loads of the page (after the compile). It's also useful to explain that compiling process to the user. :) -mark -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:02 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Total Execution Time Well, converting a site from one platform to another may not be very comparable. At least not until the final product is done and optimized. There are a lot of factors to execution times including many factors outside of ColdFusion. Database, OS, JVM Tuning, firewall(s), proxies, IIS/Apache and so on. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Torrent Girl wrote: What is a good total execution time to aim for in Coldfusion? Is there a standard benchmark? Thank you. Thanks All. I am converting ASP code to CF 9 and have someone comparing the page load results to the ASP server and they are supposedly getting faster times on the ASP server. I told her that I develop my pages within a certain benchmark (the pages she tested have a 45 MS total execution time) and I am not understanding why we are comparing the CF and ASP servers. Would any of you recommend this? It doesn't make sense to me. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346199 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
Turn on ColdFusion 9's trusted cache. That'll win. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote: Remember that the first run of a CF page compiles the page to java byte code. For comparison you should only be testing subsequent loads of the page (after the compile). It's also useful to explain that compiling process to the user. :) -mark -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:02 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Total Execution Time Well, converting a site from one platform to another may not be very comparable. At least not until the final product is done and optimized. There are a lot of factors to execution times including many factors outside of ColdFusion. Database, OS, JVM Tuning, firewall(s), proxies, IIS/Apache and so on. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Torrent Girl wrote: What is a good total execution time to aim for in Coldfusion? Is there a standard benchmark? Thank you. Thanks All. I am converting ASP code to CF 9 and have someone comparing the page load results to the ASP server and they are supposedly getting faster times on the ASP server. I told her that I develop my pages within a certain benchmark (the pages she tested have a 45 MS total execution time) and I am not understanding why we are comparing the CF and ASP servers. Would any of you recommend this? It doesn't make sense to me. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346200 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Total Execution Time
+ 1 On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 13:47 -0500, Mark A. Kruger wrote: Remember that the first run of a CF page compiles the page to java byte code. For comparison you should only be testing subsequent loads of the page (after the compile). It's also useful to explain that compiling process to the user. :) -mark -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346201 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
also remember that ASP is a native technology on windows/IIS so is most likely to run quicker, if you were to coompare 2 technologies that run as an additional tier on top of the OS, such as PHP and CF on windows, then the results would be a more fair comparison. Russ On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: + 1 On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 13:47 -0500, Mark A. Kruger wrote: Remember that the first run of a CF page compiles the page to java byte code. For comparison you should only be testing subsequent loads of the page (after the compile). It's also useful to explain that compiling process to the user. :) -mark -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346202 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Total Execution Time
Russ, I would say ASP might be quicker on say windows 2000 which still supported native COM but it was never really considered super duper fast... (even for a windows application) It had fast OLE DB access I suppose. But I always thought of it as just bolted on to IIS as a must have sort of cgi+ layer. Windows web tech wasn't really sophisticated till .NET came around. Don't you think? -Mark -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:10 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Total Execution Time also remember that ASP is a native technology on windows/IIS so is most likely to run quicker, if you were to coompare 2 technologies that run as an additional tier on top of the OS, such as PHP and CF on windows, then the results would be a more fair comparison. Russ On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: + 1 On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 13:47 -0500, Mark A. Kruger wrote: Remember that the first run of a CF page compiles the page to java byte code. For comparison you should only be testing subsequent loads of the page (after the compile). It's also useful to explain that compiling process to the user. :) -mark -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346203 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
I would say it was probably slower in windows 2000, it is a core part of IIS now. remember, that cfml has to be compiled into java byte code, processed by JRUN and then executed by the JRE, so more steps involved and JRUN certainly uses far more system resources than ASP. The advantage of CF was never its execution speed, but rather its RAD speed. Russ On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote: Russ, I would say ASP might be quicker on say windows 2000 which still supported native COM but it was never really considered super duper fast... (even for a windows application) It had fast OLE DB access I suppose. But I always thought of it as just bolted on to IIS as a must have sort of cgi+ layer. Windows web tech wasn't really sophisticated till .NET came around. Don't you think? -Mark -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:10 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Total Execution Time also remember that ASP is a native technology on windows/IIS so is most likely to run quicker, if you were to coompare 2 technologies that run as an additional tier on top of the OS, such as PHP and CF on windows, then the results would be a more fair comparison. Russ On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: + 1 On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 13:47 -0500, Mark A. Kruger wrote: Remember that the first run of a CF page compiles the page to java byte code. For comparison you should only be testing subsequent loads of the page (after the compile). It's also useful to explain that compiling process to the user. :) -mark -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
I would say it was probably slower in windows 2000, it is a core part of IIS now. Well, honestly, that by itself doesn't really make much of a difference. It's not like the processing time is spent handing requests from IIS to CF and back, or that running in-process IIS applications is significantly faster than running out-of-process IIS applications (if I recall correctly, you can do both with ASP.NET). remember, that cfml has to be compiled into java byte code, processed by JRUN and then executed by the JRE, so more steps involved and JRUN certainly uses far more system resources than ASP. That's not much different from what happens with ASP.NET pages. They start as text, and have to be compiled into bytecode (MSIL, I think it's called), then executed by the .NET runtime. And JRun using more system resources shouldn't make a performance difference. I think the biggest reason for this performance difference is that CF is quite a bit different from Java - loosely-typed vs strictly-typed, etc. Whereas, if you write C# code, you're already telling the compiler a lot more about what to do. The advantage of CF was never its execution speed, but rather its RAD speed. Exactly. And when most web applications spend most of their time on database queries (which will likely be the same on various platforms) who really cares that you can run 1 iterations of something you'd never actually do faster on platform A vs platform B? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346205 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: remember, that cfml has to be compiled into java byte code, processed by JRUN and then executed by the JRE, so more steps involved and JRUN certainly uses far more system resources than ASP. That's not much different from what happens with ASP.NET pages. They start as text, and have to be compiled into bytecode (MSIL, I think it's called), then executed by the .NET runtime. And JRun using more system resources shouldn't make a performance difference. On .NET in an MVC app you have two different types of dynamic resources, the compiled C# code for your model and the .aspx pages for the views. Your model code gets compiled down to a dll, just like any other windows app and runs on the CLR (common library runtime). The views will be compiled the first time you hit them, like in CF, if you just copy them over. On the other hand, you can ship them precompiled (my installer build task does this) which takes away that first time hit but you can also do that with CF and use cfcompile to produce the java byte code and then distribute that. I think the biggest reason for this performance difference is that CF is quite a bit different from Java - loosely-typed vs strictly-typed, etc. Whereas, if you write C# code, you're already telling the compiler a lot more about what to do. And there are different ways of turning the same CF code into Java code. Adobe and Railo both produce different Java code for the same CF code in many cases and those choices have impacts on performance. The advantage of CF was never its execution speed, but rather its RAD speed. Exactly. And when most web applications spend most of their time on database queries (which will likely be the same on various platforms) who really cares that you can run 1 iterations of something you'd never actually do faster on platform A vs platform B? Database query speed is certainly a big element as is your approach to caching. Normal database queries will probably be similar in speed on .Net versus CF but there are some differences. The JDBC driver for SQL Server, for instance, doesn't support Table Valued Parameters which allows you to pipeline large numbers of statements in one connection. We had an import process that was doing on the order of 50,000 inserts/updates. In CF, even with connection pooling, it was taking hours. We switched to using TVP statements through an ADO.Net connection and dropped it down to a minute or two. Have to know the limitations of your tools. judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346208 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
That's not much different from what happens with ASP.NET pages. They start as text, and have to be compiled into bytecode (MSIL, I think it's called), then executed by the .NET runtime. And JRun using more system resources shouldn't make a performance difference. On .NET in an MVC app you have two different types of dynamic resources, the compiled C# code for your model and the .aspx pages for the views. Your model code gets compiled down to a dll, just like any other windows app and runs on the CLR (common library runtime). The views will be compiled the first time you hit them, like in CF, if you just copy them over. On the other hand, you can ship them precompiled (my installer build task does this) which takes away that first time hit but you can also do that with CF and use cfcompile to produce the java byte code and then distribute that. Right, but my point is that overall they're just not all that different. You can also use Java for your model if you really want to, rather than CF, in which case it'll work the same way as the Microsoft MVC design framework. Have to know the limitations of your tools. Sure, there will always be occasional edge cases where one environment does something significantly better than another. But for the average web application, this doesn't come into play. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346210 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Total Execution Time
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: That's not much different from what happens with ASP.NET pages. They start as text, and have to be compiled into bytecode (MSIL, I think it's called), then executed by the .NET runtime. And JRun using more system resources shouldn't make a performance difference. On .NET in an MVC app you have two different types of dynamic resources, the compiled C# code for your model and the .aspx pages for the views. Your model code gets compiled down to a dll, just like any other windows app and runs on the CLR (common library runtime). The views will be compiled the first time you hit them, like in CF, if you just copy them over. On the other hand, you can ship them precompiled (my installer build task does this) which takes away that first time hit but you can also do that with CF and use cfcompile to produce the java byte code and then distribute that. Right, but my point is that overall they're just not all that different. You can also use Java for your model if you really want to, rather than CF, in which case it'll work the same way as the Microsoft MVC design framework. Have to know the limitations of your tools. Sure, there will always be occasional edge cases where one environment does something significantly better than another. But for the average web application, this doesn't come into play. Agreed on all accounts, just giving others some insight into what happens on the .Net side of things. All things considered, I'll still use CF if given a chance for most projects for it's simplicity and RAD features. Juda ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:346211 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
