Re: The age old Question. Which framework

[Cameron Childress]

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Sandra Clark  wrote:

> Pretty much.  To them, XML equals a fusebox like approach and they want to
> get away from FB.  Which is a shame, cause I'm very comfortable with MG


If I were to read between the lines here I'd say this usually translates to
a team that wanted to break the rules of FB and wanted to put things int he
XML file that don't belong there. Logic where it doesn't belong, etc. I
only point it out because this is a problem the team probably isn't going
to get over just by switching frameworks.

I tend to favor FW/1 on projects right now. It has a great simplicity in
it's implementation but has very powerful features you can pull out when
needed. I think that as a former Fuseboxer, you will also draw a lot of
intuitive parallels between Fusebox's terminology and architecture and
FW/1's. Subsystems are similar to Circuits, etc...

FW/1 is absolutely well suited for a larger enterprise application and is
fairly well documented in a minimalistic, non hand-holding way. Meaning,
you may still need to drag some other developers along with you on
terminology if they don't know OO already - but I think you are expecting
that already.

Look at the other frameworks you mentioned, but make sure
you definitely fully evaluate FW/1 before making your decision. As a bonus
- check out DI/1 too.

-Cameron

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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

[Raymond Camden]

Interesting. Thanks for satisfying my curiosity there. :)

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Sandra Clark  wrote:
>
> Pretty much.  To them, XML equals a fusebox like approach and they want to
> get away from FB.  Which is a shame, cause I'm very comfortable with MG
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:13 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: The age old Question. Which framework
>
>
> I'll ditto the FW/1 recommendation, but I'm curious about why XML makes
> Model-Glue not an option? The powers that be don't like XML?
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Sandra Clark  wrote:
>>
>> So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is
>> converting an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've
>> mostly been doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML
>> setup, it doesn't seem to be an option here.
>>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: The age old Question. Which framework

[Sandra Clark]

Pretty much.  To them, XML equals a fusebox like approach and they want to
get away from FB.  Which is a shame, cause I'm very comfortable with MG

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:13 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: The age old Question. Which framework


I'll ditto the FW/1 recommendation, but I'm curious about why XML makes
Model-Glue not an option? The powers that be don't like XML?


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Sandra Clark  wrote:
>
> So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is 
> converting an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've 
> mostly been doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML 
> setup, it doesn't seem to be an option here.
>



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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

[Russ Michaels]

I guess the fw/1 docs must have improved since i last looked at it then,
good to hear.

Regards
Russ Michaels
On Jul 24, 2012 1:24 PM, "AJ Mercer"  wrote:

>
> I think FW/1 is great for a barebones framework where you don't want it
> getting in your way. I think the documentation and examples are excellent.
>  As I understand it, the next version will be packaged with DI/1 (
> dependency
> Injection) and with routing you can sort of do ReST stuff (though I don't
> think it is as good as Taffy).
>
> cfWheels has a plugin architecture that has a lot of stuff that can help
> you build a site very quickly. It has it's own ORM. It has very
> good documentation.
>
> Both have very friendly and helpful community.
>
>
> If you build your application with services/domain model, you can pretty
> much use and MVC framework and without too much effort port to the other.
> Also, if you want to take advantage of ReSt built into ACF10, you will be
> able to use your service layer.
>
> On 24 July 2012 19:53, Sandra Clark  wrote:
>
> >
> > So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is
> > converting
> > an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
> > doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it
> > doesn't
> > seem to be an option here.
> >
> >
> >
> > Two of the applications (which are newer) were done in CFWheels and are
> > currently running on CF7. The new site will be running on CF10.
> >
> >
> >
> > Current developers on the project are not familiar with OO at all (but
> that
> > is going to have to change, because the requirements for the project
> > require
> > OO).  As well the requirement is for an ORM.  I definitely want a
> > dependency
> > Injector and the ability to create testing modules easily.  Since I have
> to
> > get the current developers up to speed on OO I'm not too concerned about
> > requiring a new framework.
> >
> >
> >
> > Eventually, the application is going to have to generate a ton of XML and
> > rely on web services for many of its tasks to allow outside services to
> > consume its data.
> >
> >
> >
> > So biggest contenders are:
> >
> >
> >
> > CFWheels, ColdBox and FW/1.
> >
> >
> >
> > While I know frameworks are a religious experience to some (I survived
> the
> > original fusebox framework wars), I'd love to see opinions (both pro's
> and
> > con's) for the frameworks I've mentioned especially in relation to any of
> > the requirements I've noted above.
> >
> >
> >
> > What's your experience with the frameworks both from a development and
> > testing perspective along with actually running them in an enterprise
> level
> > environment?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can give me with this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sandra Clark
> >
> >
> >
> > By the way, anyone going to RiaCon this year?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

[Raymond Camden]

I'll ditto the FW/1 recommendation, but I'm curious about why XML
makes Model-Glue not an option? The powers that be don't like XML?


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Sandra Clark  wrote:
>
> So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is converting
> an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
> doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it doesn't
> seem to be an option here.
>

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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

[AJ Mercer]

I think FW/1 is great for a barebones framework where you don't want it
getting in your way. I think the documentation and examples are excellent.
 As I understand it, the next version will be packaged with DI/1 (
dependency
Injection) and with routing you can sort of do ReST stuff (though I don't
think it is as good as Taffy).

cfWheels has a plugin architecture that has a lot of stuff that can help
you build a site very quickly. It has it's own ORM. It has very
good documentation.

Both have very friendly and helpful community.


If you build your application with services/domain model, you can pretty
much use and MVC framework and without too much effort port to the other.
Also, if you want to take advantage of ReSt built into ACF10, you will be
able to use your service layer.

On 24 July 2012 19:53, Sandra Clark  wrote:

>
> So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is
> converting
> an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
> doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it
> doesn't
> seem to be an option here.
>
>
>
> Two of the applications (which are newer) were done in CFWheels and are
> currently running on CF7. The new site will be running on CF10.
>
>
>
> Current developers on the project are not familiar with OO at all (but that
> is going to have to change, because the requirements for the project
> require
> OO).  As well the requirement is for an ORM.  I definitely want a
> dependency
> Injector and the ability to create testing modules easily.  Since I have to
> get the current developers up to speed on OO I'm not too concerned about
> requiring a new framework.
>
>
>
> Eventually, the application is going to have to generate a ton of XML and
> rely on web services for many of its tasks to allow outside services to
> consume its data.
>
>
>
> So biggest contenders are:
>
>
>
> CFWheels, ColdBox and FW/1.
>
>
>
> While I know frameworks are a religious experience to some (I survived the
> original fusebox framework wars), I'd love to see opinions (both pro's and
> con's) for the frameworks I've mentioned especially in relation to any of
> the requirements I've noted above.
>
>
>
> What's your experience with the frameworks both from a development and
> testing perspective along with actually running them in an enterprise level
> environment?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me with this.
>
>
>
> Sandra Clark
>
>
>
> By the way, anyone going to RiaCon this year?
>
>
>
> 

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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

[Maureen]

+1 for FW/1
That is all I am using these days, and I am moving all my sites to it.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Will Swain  wrote:
>
 We used FW/1, Coldspring and Taffy to handle this,

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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

[Will Swain]

We've recently built a large web app that handles bookings for a number of
restaurants, including consuming and publishing web services to talk to a
third party epos system. We used FW/1, Coldspring and Taffy to handle this,
and it's worked brilliantly well. It's running on cf9 rather than cf10
though, but not sure if that would make much difference.

Will

On 24 July 2012 12:53, Sandra Clark  wrote:

>
> So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is
> converting
> an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
> doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it
> doesn't
> seem to be an option here.
>
>
>
> Two of the applications (which are newer) were done in CFWheels and are
> currently running on CF7. The new site will be running on CF10.
>
>
>
> Current developers on the project are not familiar with OO at all (but that
> is going to have to change, because the requirements for the project
> require
> OO).  As well the requirement is for an ORM.  I definitely want a
> dependency
> Injector and the ability to create testing modules easily.  Since I have to
> get the current developers up to speed on OO I'm not too concerned about
> requiring a new framework.
>
>
>
> Eventually, the application is going to have to generate a ton of XML and
> rely on web services for many of its tasks to allow outside services to
> consume its data.
>
>
>
> So biggest contenders are:
>
>
>
> CFWheels, ColdBox and FW/1.
>
>
>
> While I know frameworks are a religious experience to some (I survived the
> original fusebox framework wars), I'd love to see opinions (both pro's and
> con's) for the frameworks I've mentioned especially in relation to any of
> the requirements I've noted above.
>
>
>
> What's your experience with the frameworks both from a development and
> testing perspective along with actually running them in an enterprise level
> environment?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me with this.
>
>
>
> Sandra Clark
>
>
>
> By the way, anyone going to RiaCon this year?
>
>
>
> 

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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

[Russ Michaels]

cfwheels would probably have the lowest learning curve for your team,
whereas coldbox will be a bit of a monster but is better for large projects
and teams and has a ton of cool built in features such as stats and
debugging consoles and ready to go admin ui as well a sthe best
documentation there is.
fw/1 is really intended for small projects, but I guess there is no reason
not to use it for big ones if you don't want all the baggage that comes
with the other frameworks, however is it very lacking in documentation and
it is very much a figure it out yourself option.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Sandra Clark wrote:

>
> So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is
> converting
> an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
> doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it
> doesn't
> seem to be an option here.
>
>
>
> Two of the applications (which are newer) were done in CFWheels and are
> currently running on CF7. The new site will be running on CF10.
>
>
>
> Current developers on the project are not familiar with OO at all (but that
> is going to have to change, because the requirements for the project
> require
> OO).  As well the requirement is for an ORM.  I definitely want a
> dependency
> Injector and the ability to create testing modules easily.  Since I have to
> get the current developers up to speed on OO I'm not too concerned about
> requiring a new framework.
>
>
>
> Eventually, the application is going to have to generate a ton of XML and
> rely on web services for many of its tasks to allow outside services to
> consume its data.
>
>
>
> So biggest contenders are:
>
>
>
> CFWheels, ColdBox and FW/1.
>
>
>
> While I know frameworks are a religious experience to some (I survived the
> original fusebox framework wars), I'd love to see opinions (both pro's and
> con's) for the frameworks I've mentioned especially in relation to any of
> the requirements I've noted above.
>
>
>
> What's your experience with the frameworks both from a development and
> testing perspective along with actually running them in an enterprise level
> environment?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me with this.
>
>
>
> Sandra Clark
>
>
>
> By the way, anyone going to RiaCon this year?
>
>
>
> 

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The age old Question. Which framework

[Sandra Clark]

So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is converting
an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it doesn't
seem to be an option here.

 

Two of the applications (which are newer) were done in CFWheels and are
currently running on CF7. The new site will be running on CF10.

 

Current developers on the project are not familiar with OO at all (but that
is going to have to change, because the requirements for the project require
OO).  As well the requirement is for an ORM.  I definitely want a dependency
Injector and the ability to create testing modules easily.  Since I have to
get the current developers up to speed on OO I'm not too concerned about
requiring a new framework. 

 

Eventually, the application is going to have to generate a ton of XML and
rely on web services for many of its tasks to allow outside services to
consume its data. 

 

So biggest contenders are:  

 

CFWheels, ColdBox and FW/1.  

 

While I know frameworks are a religious experience to some (I survived the
original fusebox framework wars), I'd love to see opinions (both pro's and
con's) for the frameworks I've mentioned especially in relation to any of
the requirements I've noted above.  

 

What's your experience with the frameworks both from a development and
testing perspective along with actually running them in an enterprise level
environment?

 

 

Thanks for any help you can give me with this.

 

Sandra Clark

 

By the way, anyone going to RiaCon this year?



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