[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.
On Feb 17, 3:33 pm, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: Find a framework that has more than 5 developers (so that you know it will be supported and maintained) Find one that has been around and used for 5 years (so that you know it has longevity) In the case of FarCry Core, it's been in continual development for almost 10 years, and is one of the few open source ColdFusion frameworks that is backed by commercial support and training :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.
On Feb 20, 10:11 am, christophe albrech christophe.albr...@gmail.com wrote: But it can have performance implications at the DB level. - If not sequential, Index fragmentation ensues. Page splits, too. - As the UUID is probably the clustering key, it gets added to all NCIs, which in turn become larger and slower. - Database gets bigger. That means less stuff in proc and data cache, more io, longer backups and disaster recovery procedure. That said, they are, indeed pretty useful to move stuff around. And using sequential UUID does a good job of limiting the damage. No idea what far cry does under the hood though, so I'll stop bitching. Tof FarCry doesn't lock you into anything in this regard, you can avoid fragmentation and page splits by making objectid a non-clustered index and setting your clustered index to something more suitable, as you would do in any database that you needed to tune for performance. For those content types with millions of rows you'd also set bRefObjects to false in your component to avoid writing to FarCry's master table of objects and specify the content type name in any ORM related functions, instead of letting FarCry look it up automatically. cheers, Justin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.
Yep, and it depends what you're optimising for; reads, writes, joins, all of the above! My point was that FarCry shouldn't stop you from being able to tune your database. Out of the box things work one particular way because it's sufficient for the majority of use cases, but if you need to do something different than the default you can. Create your own primary key, do whatever you like! I don't think any framework (or set of frameworks) will automatically scale in all directions without the developer having some knowledge and putting in some tuning effort - whether it's on the application server, database, caches, client, or otherwise ;) cheers, Justin On Feb 20, 3:52 pm, christophe albrech christophe.albr...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but as a rule of thumb (in most cases) I don't like having my clustered index on something else than the pk. That's most likely what you'll use to get to your data, which means that if you do put CIX on another column, you open the door to a world of pain in terms of bookmark look-ups. Just theoritical talk, though. I've never used farcry, thus have no idea how fast it is, or how well it scales. Tof On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Justin Carter justin.w.car...@gmail.comwrote: On Feb 20, 10:11 am, christophe albrech christophe.albr...@gmail.com wrote: But it can have performance implications at the DB level. - If not sequential, Index fragmentation ensues. Page splits, too. - As the UUID is probably the clustering key, it gets added to all NCIs, which in turn become larger and slower. - Database gets bigger. That means less stuff in proc and data cache, more io, longer backups and disaster recovery procedure. That said, they are, indeed pretty useful to move stuff around. And using sequential UUID does a good job of limiting the damage. No idea what far cry does under the hood though, so I'll stop bitching. Tof FarCry doesn't lock you into anything in this regard, you can avoid fragmentation and page splits by making objectid a non-clustered index and setting your clustered index to something more suitable, as you would do in any database that you needed to tune for performance. For those content types with millions of rows you'd also set bRefObjects to false in your component to avoid writing to FarCry's master table of objects and specify the content type name in any ORM related functions, instead of letting FarCry look it up automatically. cheers, Justin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.
Way to fly the flag there Dennis... 0_o I think Scott knows that FarCry is totally awesome anyway, or at least he should :) cheers, Justin On Feb 17, 2:15 pm, Dennis Clark boomf...@gmail.com wrote: As others have said there are plenty of CF frameworks to choose from. One that hasn't been mentioned yet is FarCry. As a CMS it works well, but one non-scientific study found a strong correlation between prolonged exposure to FarCry and excessive use of expletives such as f**k, c**k, and dogr***er. The study was unable to prove or disprove causation, but recommends developers exposed to FarCry exercise caution and be on the lookout for these known symptoms. Hope that helps, -- Dennis On Feb 17, 2012 12:36 PM, MossyBlog scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :) Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it out again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've acquired over the years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what all the cool kids are using with regards to CF after market addons. Mach-II? or did i just show my age. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: SSL issue with SecurePay Test env
There's another good post here that might help you, I've used it as a reference in the past: http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=8E44925A-B73D-E3AD-709D4E02FD6D4588 Are you sure you installed the correct certificate? If you browse to the URL of the service in your browser you should be able to view the certificate properties and save a copy of it. Otherwise, you might be able to install a root certificate from whoever the issuing authority is. Hope that helps. cheers, Justin On Apr 12, 1:32 pm, Duncan duncan.lox...@gmail.com wrote: ok I tried a full restart on my development environment and there is no change. I even tried importing the cert with a different alias, all characters inline with all the others. Do I need to import a root CA cert? If so how do I go about finding this? On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Duncan duncan.lox...@gmail.com wrote: Restart CF? Yes we have done that, I can't do a full server reboot in the middle of the day. On my local Win 7 / 64bit - CF8 I have the same issue, I will try a full reboot on this machine too and report back. On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM, skateboard.com.au w...@skateboard.com.au wrote: I have always had to restart the server after importing a new cert. Have you done that? cheers Drew -Original Message- From: Duncan duncan.lox...@gmail.com To: cfaussie cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:01:24 +1000 Subject: [cfaussie] SSL issue with SecurePay Test env Hi Everyone, Securepay issued a new SSL certificate on their test environment 7/4/2011 and it has had an effect on our code when running in test mode. I have isolated it to be related to the I/O Exception: peer not authenticated issue as detailed by Rob Gonda and Steven Erat -http://www.talkingtree.com/blog/index.cfm/2004/7/1/keytool - http://coldfusion-archive.robgonda.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/29/ErrorD etail-IO-Exception-peer-not-authenticated/ However, I have followed these posts and imported the test.securepay.com.aucertificate and still ColdFusion 8 (Enterprise) doesn't like the URL. My Key store implies I have GeoTrust items in it, and it worked before the SSL change, so I am now a bit lost. I have put together a test script below, it is located at http://www.red5.com.au/gatewaytest.cfmso you can see the behaviour. I put in the Eway URL too, just as a sanity check. I would really appreciate some one running this on their own CF8 environment to see if the issue exists there, and if so, does importing the certificate resolve the issue for you? Thanks! [code] cfsavecontent variable=XmlRequest ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 ? SecurePayMessage MessageInfo messageID/messageID messageTimestamp#DateFormat(now(), mmdd)##TimeFormat(now(), HHmmssL000+600)#/messageTimestamp timeoutValue60/timeoutValue apiVersionxml-4.2/apiVersion /MessageInfo /SecurePayMessage /cfsavecontent cfhttp method=post url=https://www.securepay.com.au/xmlapi/payment; timeout=80 result=XmlResponse cfhttpparam type=xml value=#XmlRequest#/ /cfhttp cfdump var=#XmlResponse# label= https://www.securepay.com.au/xmlapi/payment; cfhttp method=post url=https://test.securepay.com.au/xmlapi/payment; timeout=80 result=XmlResponse cfhttpparam type=xml value=#XmlRequest#/ /cfhttp cfdump var=#XmlResponse# label= https://test.securepay.com.au/xmlapi/payment; cfhttp method=post url=https://www.eway.com.au/gateway/xmlpayment.asp; timeout=80 result=XmlResponse cfhttpparam type=xml value=#XmlRequest#/ /cfhttp cfdump var=#XmlResponse# label= https://www.eway.com.au/gateway/xmlpayment.asp; [/code] -- Duncan I Loxton duncan.lox...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Duncan I Loxton duncan.lox...@gmail.com -- Duncan I Loxton duncan.lox...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options,
[cfaussie] Re: IIS7 URL Rewrite / CF
When you use URL rewriting the request that gets through to the web server is the rewritten URL. You can't see the original URL unless you craft your URL rewriting to pass through the original URL as a parameter. e.g. in FarCry with friendly URLs we turn this: /some/path/to/a/page into this: /index.cfm?furl=/some/path/to/a/page Then in ColdFusion you can use the variable url.furl to access the original URL string. On Feb 23, 12:32 pm, Taco Fleur taco.fl...@clickfind.com.au wrote: Anyone using IIS7 URL Rewrite and then getting access to the original requested URL in CF? If so, how? I did a few tests with it and at first glance I don't get access to the original requested URL. I'm wanting to replace the 404 handler I use to get the nice pretty URLs.. -- Kind regards, Taco Fleur clickfind™ - The new Australian Online Marketing Platform (OMP)http://www.onlinemarketingplatform.com.auhttp://www.clickfind.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: cfspreadsheet and vfs
On Dec 7, 9:32 pm, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Are you on a CF10 beta program? How can you be posting bugs or accessing information on bugs for CF10? He's not, it's in the public bug tracker that went live last year? http://cfbugs.adobe.com/cfbugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=85267 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: cfspreadsheet and vfs
On Dec 7, 12:52 am, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: This is in relation to CF10 it seems and i would assume posting it would be breaching the confidentiality agreement? I doubt there is a confidentiality agreement for automated replies from a public bug tracker.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
The timing of this discussion is interesting to me since I've been in Europe and the UK for the last 2 years and am heading back to Oz around August. I was also at SOTR 2010 in London for the last couple of days (and met Matt Bourke for the first time - Hi Matt!) and got to discussing the Aussie CF job market with a few other antipodeans. The market does seem quite flat to me compared to elsewhere in the world (even London, which was hit harder than Sydney or Melbourne by the world economy), but in saying that it's at least looking better than it was earlier this year when there were practically no new CF jobs being advertised - i.e. the last time one of these kind of discussions happened - so I am at least hopeful for my own prospects :) I also think Adobe ColdFusion is fairly well represented at conferences in Australia (compared to the UK) and WebDU has the chance to attract new developers to CF since WebDU is attended by a range of developers who use or dabble in other competing server-side languages. WebDU is probably somewhat unique in this regard compared to other conferences around the world where CF is represented. The migration away from CF issue is a tricky one... If the reason is because there is a lack of CF developers then that is something that we can work to solve as a community by reaching out to other web developers and introducing them to ColdFusion, and Adobe could solve by getting their (existing) CF educational materials into colleges and universities. If the reason isn't due to a lack of available CF developers then it's really something that is out of our hands as a community (I think?) - Adobe either needs to get Evangelists or Sales people talking to more CEO's/CIO's or to spend some cash in relevant publications to get the ColdFusion brand out there again. (They might already be doing this, but I have no way of knowing). No doubt it's a bit of both though... Can anyone remind me of who the CF-related Adobe guys are in Australia? Does Andrew Spaulding do CF stuff, and are there any others? cheers, Justin -- Justin Carter (@justincarter) http://www.madfellas.com On May 26, 1:13 pm, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: I've spent the past 12 years as a CTO including 1 very small company, 1 smallish public company and 1 big public company never had a cold call from Microsoft at any of them only people I get cold calls from are overseas offshore your development types Dale Fraser On Wednesday, May 26, 2010, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: There is already something on the Adobe site (http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/hosting/). God know how you get listed there -Original Message- From: Kai Koenig [mailto:k...@koeni.de] Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 9:17 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of ColdFusion hosting happens in-house or on people's own server. That's obviously the chicken/egg problem as people go for their own box because they don't know there is hosting in the first place. Maybe it'd be a good idea to push the idea (and options) of CF hosting to user groups, i.e. start a site or a simple public google doc or something listing all the hosters in ANZ that offer CF and compare plans etc. Cheers Kai On 26/05/2010, at 7:42 PM, Kym Kovan wrote: On 26/05/2010 17:04, Chris Velevitch wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraserd...@fraser.id.au wrote: Where was CEBit? Sydney. And I never got there even though I wanted to, too busy :-( The fact that we are busy tells me that CF is alive and well in Oz, or our segment of it at least but I also am aware that our segment is not everything. Fiona and I got a bit of a surprise at WebDU, very few people had heard of us, very few indeed. It made me realise that you can be going like a train and being very good at what you do but if you don't make a noise occasionally then you fade from people's awareness and a new generation comes along who have never heard of you. You can be the county's most senior cfml developers and hosting firm but it counts for nought if no-one has heard of you. That is why I am suddenly making a lot of noise rather than the once-a-month-or-so squeak that I usually make. We are even considering having our own website! Shock Horror! We've never done that properly before :-) So stand by for more noise, cfml is going to be heard again! -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781
[cfaussie] Re: Call For Papers: webDU 2008
On Oct 23, 8:18 am, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its the cost, the conference is reasonable, but then add flights, accom, meals etc. None of which you have if its in your home state. I'm in NSW and I still have to pay for flights (which cost more than Melb - Syd), meals and accomodation... o_O --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: WOT: but had to share (Vista and hidden file extensions)
On Jul 14, 4:30 am, ACTCFUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was easy under XP to always show the .xxx for files, and still hide system and other hidden files, no issue. Under Vista it is a lot more obscure. Ummm. It's in the exact same dialog that it was in on Windows XP :) Tools - Folder Options - View --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: WOT: but had to share (Vista and hidden file extensions)
On Jul 14, 4:45 pm, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no Tools menu in Vista Ultimate. Press the Alt key ;) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Outlook 2007 RSS Reader
I often seem to get this from a number of Microsoft blogs (IE, Vista, Home Server, etc) but it doesn't happen with any others that I can think of... I never worked out exactly why though, it's only happened a few times so it hasn't bothered me that much - I just right clicked on the folder and chose Mark All as Read and kept working :) Cheers -- Justin http://www.madfellas.com/blog On Jun 14, 8:26 am, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is OT but people here probably in the same boat. I'm using Outlook 2007 as a RSS Reader, and can't work out why sometimes, I entries twice. Strange thing is, it's not all the time, any clues? Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count
ping On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several other) lists on a regular basis. We have a couple of Community related irons in the fire and will communicate more on them as they solidify. What would be of great help to us in the meantime would be a hands up (head count) on how many Aussie CF'ers are reading this list on a regular basis. If you could just ping a response to to this thread that would be grouse. Thanks in advance Matt Voerman Senior Consultant Adobe Systems Pacific --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
On May 31, 10:10 am, Robin Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you mean (a) giving some educational licenses to QANTM for it's own use, or (b) giving away commercial licenses to each student? In the case of (b) you would be asking for almost $200,000 worth of software. So the student thought process goes something like sure I just spent several months learning ColdFusion, but the vendor didn't give me a free commercial license so I won't use it? One thing that students or younger developers see - before they even bother to learn ColdFusion - *is* the dollar signs. It's hard to make the decision to invest hours and hours in learning and using a technology which you perceive to be unaffordable or out of reach, particularly when you see free competing platforms such as .NET, Java, PHP, Ruby, etc. I've been in that position, and I didn't choose ColdFusion (not until a number of years later). Price is a barrier to adoption. Just my 2c anyway. Cheers. -- Justin http://www.madfellas.com/blog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Reset Object
On May 25, 4:27 pm, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but that means nothing to me, is this something you wrote? Is it an ORM? http://datamgr.riaforge.org/ Quote: DataMgr is a Data Access Layer component set. http://steve.coldfusionjournal.com/datamgr_20_is_gold.htm It simplifies CRUD interactions with the database (speeding up development time) and has a common API for any supported database (and makes adding a new database easy). DataMgr is not an ORM, but you could build an ORM on top of DataMgr - allowing you to create an ORM that works the way you want. DataMgr also encompasses the functionality of Active Schema. You can define your database structure in XML and have DataMgr create it. If you prefer, you can also go the more traditional route and have DataMgr introspect your database (or use both approaches in combination). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Vista Application
On Apr 13, 5:30 pm, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok now I am confused... Justin are you saying that if I deploy and application with Administrator privellages to run, it is going to ask me to Allow or Deny? AFAIK Yes. But I think it's Continue or Cancel :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TinyMCE HTML Editor
On Apr 12, 4:27 pm, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone using this editor for their applications? I'm only using it with FarCry, I haven't used it with a custom built app before. And regarding your other thread, I don't have a file upload plugin for TinyMCE as FarCry has it's own file upload tools. Can't help much, sorry :P -- Justin http://www.madfellas.com/blog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Vista Application
On Apr 13, 9:01 am, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Scott, If your like me you never install into the Programs directory, like Dale just did so how does that protect me? Well you're doing it wrong :P If nobody followed best practises then there would be no sense of security anywhere... To be honest, if there are machine wide settings in an app they should probably be stored under HKLM\Software in the registry, not in a local .ini file... The registry was created in Win95, yet here we are almost 12 years later :) -- Justin http://www.madfellas.com/blog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Vista Application
On Apr 13, 10:35 am, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point exactly, if stopping you putting data into program files is supposed to stop you accessing applications some how, then people start installing outside program files, then nothing has been stopped. The point is that applications installed to Program Files can be trusted, and apps installed outside it cannot. If writing to Program Files requires a priviledge elevation through UAC then it is hard for a virus to compromise an application which you trust. And when you run a trusted application as Administrator and agree to the priviledge elevation through UAC you want to be safe in the knowledge that you *really* trust the app to do what it needs to do. If an app has become compromised because it was stored outside Program Files and you run it as Administrator then you are in deep trouble, because you have given a free ticket to any injected code to do what it likes with your system (to a certain extent). I'm sure we'll hear horror stories about ignoring best practises or turning off UAC in the months and years to come. It is inevitable really... But that's just my 2c. It's there for our protection, not to piss us off; really it's not ;) -- Justin http://www.madfellas.com/blog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Vista Application
On Apr 13, 12:31 am, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When developing anything in VS2005, you must be running as an Administrator and the user must be in the Adminstrators group as described by the KB articles and run VS2005 with 'run as an administrator'. Now if I read that right, I can then develop an application install it into the program files directory and if all goes well by the KB that application should be running as an elevated administrator. When it runs you will get a UAC prompt, just like if you run regedit or another app that is built to always run as Administrator. This is the point at where the user confirms that they trust the app to run with elevated priviledges. I think that's what you're missing. -- Justin http://www.madfellas.com/blog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Vista Application
On Apr 13, 2:11 pm, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trusted in what way? If I install my app into Program Files it can't do anything, including writing files into subdirectories of the install path. If I install out side of Program Files it can do everything. So I think stuff in Program Files is less trusted, either i'm missing something or they have not thought this through That's right, and that's how XP works. Anything can write anywhere it likes (NTFS permissions permitting). Vista aims to do things differently. Program Files is secured by UAC, meaning that if you want to change something, you have to give the process permission. If you install an app into Program Files you can trust that the app can't been infected/exploited by another non-admin process since requests for access are filtered through UAC, and when you run the app as Admin you should be able to trust it to do what it is supposed to do. If you install an app outside of Program Files it is open to a certain form of exploitation by a virus or other malicious user that can write to the files the application uses (purely because it is stored outside Program Files). If the application is compromised and you have it set up to run as Administrator, you are effectively giving the injected code a free ticket to ride, and since you already trust this particular app (in your own mind) you might be inclined allow privilege elevation whenever it requests it, when infact it could be some injected code doing it's dirty work under the guise of this other application. In your case Dale, if your app doesn't run as Admin when stored outside Program Files then there is considerably less risk that some other application which might always need to run as Administrator for whatever reason. But if your app did get compromised then some malicious injected code could be masquerading under the name of your app and will happily show the user a UAC prompt. Now what does the user do when DalesApp01.exe requests a privilege elevation? Will they be able to trust what will happen next? But the app is stored outside Program Files?! Arghhh! To be continued... :) Anyway, that's just my understanding of (part of) why the whole Program Files security stuff exists. That and the fact that we (mostly) all insist on using Admin accounts for every day use. But trust me, there is far less whinging and moaning with UAC than there would be if you weren't allowed to log on to the desktop with an Administrator account *at all*. IMO, the world would be in chaos and the internet would explode with complaint overload :P --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: : WebDU - Microsoft drinks, Expression and yes, Adobe can come to.
Sounds like it's gonna be a big night!.. Freebies, free beers, who could resist such temptation... Scott, I assume you'll have the contracts and the ink at the door? Or do we have to sign in our own blood? :P -- Justin On Mar 19, 2:26 pm, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly folks Microsoft can't be at WebDU in the way we have done in the previous rounds of this conference, due to Adobe Oz not feeling comfortable with the big ol MS logo being in the same room as them. That being said, we are putting on some drinks in the bar nearest the banquet and there will be some *full product* give-aways (limited stock, act now while they last). Yes infamous Finula will be the hostess who has the AMEX mostess, and so we hope this will be an alternative way to show you the Microsoft love is still there and not forgotten. If this floats your boat, then come over as drinks (*Zeta Bar*, next door to the Banquet) start at* 9.30 PM* through to *1 AM* or what we like to call *MS Happy Hour Expressions*. There is a catch, you need to show your WebDU badges to score the freebies - long story, basically last time we did something like this a navy fleet was docked into town there was some fast talking about expenses that day I'll tell you.. If you can't make the drinks and you're unable to due to religious/personal dislike to drunken shaky faced webdu geeks doing things that can only be described as part-funny and part-disturbing, never fear as you can check out some of the pieces of the Microsoft goodness at the WACOM booth (check these guys out this year if you get a chance). WACOM and Windows Vista gives you Tablet PC capabilities? (which is damn cool). P.S Yes, Adobe folks are more than welcome to attend and you get to have access to spirits, to help promote the spirit of interoperability. P.S.S Person with the most disturbing shaky face gets a MS Prize! -- Regards, Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: webDU 2007 - are you counting it down?
On Mar 14, 11:55 am, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting up at 8am to help run the Components BOF the morning after the Banquet... Ahh yeah, good luck with that :D Turning up will be half the battle for all of us, hah... On Mar 14, 12:17 pm, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have Vista installed, its buggy and BeOS rules! :) (I kid, it's proudly on display in my SideBar Gadgets and also in the big screen tv in Microsoft HQ lunchroom... ) Nice one. Glad to hear someone is using it, and to think I've even infected a PC at Microsoft HQ, mwhahaha... :P I'm keen to get drunk at WebDU - no offence, but damn I've been studying technology for the past 2 months straight - i need beer-o-break. So *holds up AMEX* come see me when you're done learning about the Adobe Goodness and relay it to me in simple terms so i can understand. I can't promise if I'll remember it afterwards :) Haha, I believe there is a session for that... Bar opens at 5:30PM! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: SQL Server 2005 - latest version?
On Mar 9, 4:49 pm, ACTCFUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have applied SP2 and have a critical patch supplied today (automatically which is not too appreciated - at least for SQL Server)... States current version is: Microsoft SQL Server 2005 - 9.00.3050.00 (Intel X86) Mar 2 2007 20:01:28 Copyright (c) 1988-2005 Microsoft Corporation Standard Edition on Windows NT 5.1 (Build 2600: Service Pack 2) It sounds like you got the original SP2 release and the hotfix to go with it, which would mean that you should be fully patched now. SP2 was re-released during the week as there was a fairly major issue with maintenance tasks (the cleanup could potentially remove logs earlier than it was supposed to, such as within hours instead of days!). Having that patch applied automatically in this case is a good thing IMO :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: webdu birds of a feather
On Mar 10, 11:08 am, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to ask - is there even anyone out there that wants to talk OO? I mean, obviously very broad topic, we could cover basics, design patterns, whatever. (I'll make sure to bring down my gang of four book) Well, if Mark Picker is going to be sitting in on the FarCry BOF with no pants on then I think talking OO would definitely be preferable :P It's a hard choice between FaryCry and OO for me though, I've just got too much to do and learn and not enough time to do it! -- Justin http://www.madfellas.com/blog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: webdu birds of a feather
On Mar 7, 10:21 am, Geoff Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mat Bryant from Daemon has put his hand up to lead a FarCry user group at 8am for 40mins. Does anyone have any interest in that subject or perhaps other topics? I'd never say no to sitting in on some FarCry goodness, even if I have to drag my butt out of bed to be there at 8am :) Justin http://www.madfellas.com/blog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ZeroOne Community Talks - Flex 2.0 UI components
Chris Velevitch wrote: http://zeroone.partner.breezecentral.com/p58922012/ Chris I did end up getting David's email after the presentation finished... It's just very strange that the email before the presentation never arrived :S Oh well, maybe next time. --- Hi, You can find the recording of the 'Flex 2.0 UI components' presentation here: http://zeroone.partner.breezecentral.com/p58922012/ Thank you for joining the Breeze meeting. Regards, David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] ZeroOne Community Talks - Flex 2.0 UI components
Has anyone got the URL for the ZeroOne Community Talks - Flex 2.0 UI Components Breeze Persentation? On Monday I got a reminder about it and it said that another email would be sent today with the URL to attend the presentation, but I haven't received anything. See the original email below... It's a little contradictory since it says Wednesday 13 Sept 2006 : 12:00 - 13:00, All times are for Sydney, Australia but then the next line says Please remember that this event begins at 12pm New Zealand time, which is 10am AEST. I hope it hasn't started already, but if the second part is to be believed then it has been going for almost 20 minutes by now... Doh! Just a short note to remind you that you are booked to attend the following event: ZeroOne Community Talks Flex 2.0 UI components Wednesday 13 Sept 2006 : 12:00 - 13:00 Online Seminar All times are for Sydney, Australia Please remember that this event begins at 12pm New Zealand time, which is 10am AEST. You will be sent a URL on the day of the event to allow you to participate in the webinar. Just click on the link and this will take you directly into the presetation -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ZeroOne Community Talks - Flex 2.0 UI components
P.S. If anyone did want to attend some of the talks, you can register here: http://events.adobe.co.uk/events/cgi/event.cgi?country=paeventid=3373 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Andrew Scott wrote: Mark, This is why they call it beta software. Vista is a completely different operating system compared to the previous versions of windows. And having said that, things like ZeroG installers etc will need to release newer versions for Vista, but as Vista is around 6-10 months away from release don't expect any support for something that is still in beta. Oh, did I mention that Vista is Beta and it always states do not use as a primary workstation of something you need to rely on, but of course you read all the TOS, and beta notes didn't you? Beta software is also there to be tested. Mark is clearly asking if anyone has had some success installing CFMX7 on Vista, not complaining that it doesn't work... If someone has got it working I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a small post to this list, myself included. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Andrew Scott wrote: I have Vista running at home as a Virtual Machine on one workstation and using a boot manager on another, that is the smartest thing to have done in the first place. Installing Vista on a spare notebook isn't smart? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Andrew Scott wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but I did read that the server version of Vista would be released before the workstation version. Vista will be out at least 6 months before Windows Server 2007 (currently slated as 2H 2007), and Vista's IIS7 won't be a crippled version at all as far as I know. I find it very interesting playing with IIS7 sooner rather than later, and I'm already liking the product in it's current beta form, even though I haven't got CF working with it yet. Just because you guys don't have time or don't want to look at IIS7 yet doesn't mean it's a bad idea. If you're happy to have other people do the work for you then thats fine. But how about keeping this thread on topic? i.e. discussing getting it working, not ragging out on people who are at least willing to give it a go. The negative comments don't help at all so you're just wasting your time replying... Haven't you got work to do? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
