[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Why not just use MXNA's idea -- have two ColdFusion fees. There is a regular, static ColdFusion feed, and theres a we think these are ColdFusion posts ColdFusion feed (Robin's idea). That way you can allow people to choose. On 19/08/06, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This whole thread cracks me up, as I've been sitting on this idea since first reading it and I wanted to wait and see if anyone else had something similiar or close to it. I think it was Mark who came closest. Ok, some agree that the AS-IS model for the F-Goog works kinda ok? (I for one find the leave it be approach to be suffice for my RSS digestion) - Yet - others want a more focused approach, like Dale - If i ask for Coldfusion, serve it too me. Now Robin has indicated that there is a multitude of ways in which we could technically make all this happen, latest being the Bayesian algorithms - which does sound quite interesting. So here's the thing... Geoff makes a change as per Robins posts, what happens? - I dare say, he could quite easily alienate a large portion of the F-Goog population in one hit. He could ignore it? but now that Dale's come out and stated that he finds it off-topic too much ( my blog is guilty at times ) others may flock to his banner and agree - more negatives. So Geoff will now need to choose the lesser of both evils? or he could simply steal a page or two out of Digg.com. Why not simply allow folks to click on a feature under each thread in the free-for-all category that allows the community, the very people who focus their attention on F-Goog to promote certain feeds into certain categories of global choice. This will allow the wider population of F-Goog to determine what is context and what is noise. Sometimes, the power of the end-user is enough. Never forget your consumers as they are your eyes, ears, voice and mind :) On 8/18/06, Robin Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/08/2006, at 8:31 AM, Geoff Bowers wrote: 2) its not computationally trivial to work out what is a good and not so good post Just FYI Chip Temm has an interesting comment on our blog about using Bayesian algorithms (often used in spam filters) to automatically categorise content - here is a link to the article he wrote in CFDJ about this a while back: http://au.sys-con.com/read/154232.htm To make this work we need a large sample of posts in various categories. To this end I wrote a CF script this evening that visited the 468 feeds aggregated by the Goog and built a distinct list of dc:subject tag values on the feed items (see my blog comment for the list). I figure that if we can map the various subjects used on these blogs for CF, Flash, Flex etc (there typically seem to be about 4-8 variations for each product) to products we should be able to visit the original articles, and assign each to the correct sample (CF, Flash, Trash etc) based on the subjects allocated by the author at post time. With this data (basically a word frequency table) we should be able to look at any article or web page and with some modest number crunching get a pretty good indication of how relevant it would be to a particular product. It will be fun to see if it works anyway... __ Robin Hilliard On 18/08/2006, at 8:31 AM, Geoff Bowers wrote: Dale et al, Dale Fraser wrote: I recently dropped all my favourite feeds in Google and put in Fullasagoog Coldfusion Blend instead. Wow, am I disappointed. I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm wasting my time here. I think someone at Fullasagoog should do something about it. Here's the current top 9 Coldfusion Blend Entries First thing to say is generally I agree. I'm not a great fan of off topic posts myself but they clearly don't annoy me as much as they annoy some. There needs to be a bit of a reality check: 1) anecdotally -- about an equal proportion of people *want* to see non-technical posts from CF insiders. They feel it humanises the community and so on. 2) its not computationally trivial to work out what is a good and not so good post 3) not everyone has a category that is relevant -- if i only take CF posts from a blogger do I miss the posts they might have on JS, Flash, Flex, SQL etc? Many bloggers have many technical interests. CF itself has many satellite subjects that should be of interest to CF developers. I have plans for the next generation Goog to provide some degree of social interaction to widen the scope for users to be editors and hone the relevance of posts. I also have a variety of ideas on how to do this computationally. There are some 500 hand picked blogs on Fullasagoog. And a waiting list of about half that. I review each blog before adding it. I even remove some blogs I find to be reliably bad. This is a very subjective and time consuming process. Bloggers tools change, their posting habits change, there are
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
On 18/08/2006, at 8:31 AM, Geoff Bowers wrote: 2) its not computationally trivial to work out what is a good and not so good post Just FYI Chip Temm has an interesting comment on our blog about using Bayesian algorithms (often used in spam filters) to automatically categorise content - here is a link to the article he wrote in CFDJ about this a while back: http://au.sys-con.com/read/154232.htm To make this work we need a large sample of posts in various categories. To this end I wrote a CF script this evening that visited the 468 feeds aggregated by the Goog and built a distinct list of dc:subject tag values on the feed items (see my blog comment for the list). I figure that if we can map the various subjects used on these blogs for CF, Flash, Flex etc (there typically seem to be about 4-8 variations for each product) to products we should be able to visit the original articles, and assign each to the correct sample (CF, Flash, Trash etc) based on the subjects allocated by the author at post time. With this data (basically a word frequency table) we should be able to look at any article or web page and with some modest number crunching get a pretty good indication of how relevant it would be to a particular product. It will be fun to see if it works anyway... __ Robin Hilliard On 18/08/2006, at 8:31 AM, Geoff Bowers wrote: Dale et al, Dale Fraser wrote: I recently dropped all my favourite feeds in Google and put in Fullasagoog Coldfusion Blend instead. Wow, am I disappointed. I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm wasting my time here. I think someone at Fullasagoog should do something about it. Here's the current top 9 Coldfusion Blend Entries First thing to say is generally I agree. I'm not a great fan of off topic posts myself but they clearly don't annoy me as much as they annoy some. There needs to be a bit of a reality check: 1) anecdotally -- about an equal proportion of people *want* to see non-technical posts from CF insiders. They feel it humanises the community and so on. 2) its not computationally trivial to work out what is a good and not so good post 3) not everyone has a category that is relevant -- if i only take CF posts from a blogger do I miss the posts they might have on JS, Flash, Flex, SQL etc? Many bloggers have many technical interests. CF itself has many satellite subjects that should be of interest to CF developers. I have plans for the next generation Goog to provide some degree of social interaction to widen the scope for users to be editors and hone the relevance of posts. I also have a variety of ideas on how to do this computationally. There are some 500 hand picked blogs on Fullasagoog. And a waiting list of about half that. I review each blog before adding it. I even remove some blogs I find to be reliably bad. This is a very subjective and time consuming process. Bloggers tools change, their posting habits change, there are a multitude of human variables associated with maintaining a good feed. I will endeavour to find more time to address the concerns you have raised. But in the end, Fullasagoog is not cash flow positive and is heavily subsidised by Daemon [1]. It's a bit of a hobby that was built to scatch an itch of *mine* several years ago and at the moment I've got some sort of St. Vitus dance going on trying to reach all the other itches. -- geoff http://www.fullasagoog.com/ [1]: http://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
A couple of points Dale - 1) fullasagoog is not supposed to be pure coldfusion2) these are *blogs*. Every one of them is a personal journal, and while some of the posters write almost nothing but technical articles, some of them also write personal stuff. It's not supposed to be a technical news feed.3) It's a free service, and you don't have to read the ones you don't like :)TobyOn 17/08/2006, at 4:56 PM, Dale Fraser wrote:I recently dropped all my favourite feeds in Google and put in Fullasagoog Coldfusion Blend instead. Wow, am I disappointed. I’m not sure what’s going on, but I’m wasting my time here. I think someone at Fullasagoog should do something about it. Here’s the current top 9 Coldfusion Blend Entries fullasagoog.com ColdFusionMX blend editimage001.gifShow items 1. Hey, stop talking already2. My Real Story3. CSS and Get Firefox4. HostMySite.com is down5. The truth about FLEX in business.6. When did you loose your google-ginity.7. Admin API ... Introduction8. rethrow9. Actionscript Common Function Library Survey Notice anything wrong here? 1=Coldfusion2=Not Coldfusion3=Not Coldfusion4=Not Coldfusion5=Not Coldfusion6=Not Coldufison7=Coldfusion8=Coldfusion9=Not Coldfusion Now I initially thought that it was because the bloggers were posting rubbish into their ColdFusion categories, but this is not the case, it is simply Fullasagoog getting it wrong and adding blogs that are not really Coldfusion specific to the list. I think based on the fact they might talk about Coldfusion occasionally. Take number 2 for example “My Real Story”http://jehiah.com/ Have a look at his blog, there is basically nothing on Coldfusion in there. I seriously think they should fix this to only pickup blogs with Coldfusion Categories rather than the whole bag of crap.RegardsDale Fraserhttp://dale.fraser.id.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Toby, I dont agree. 1) fullasagoog is not supposed to be pure coldfusion I think the Coldfusion Blend is, thus the name! 2) these are *blogs*. Every one of them is a personal journal, and while some of the posters write almost nothing but technical articles, some of them also write personal stuff. It's not supposed to be a technical news feed. Don't agree either, all the blogs I used to subscribe to had Coldfusion Categories and I just subscribed to them. 3) It's a free service, and you don't have to read the ones you don't like It is a free service, and a good one. But you kind of have to read them at least partially to work out if they are CF related. Which explains my topic A waste of time. Not a waste of time someone doing goog, but a waste of my time having to sift through the rubbish to find the good stuff. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Toby Tremayne Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:18 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. A couple of points Dale - 1) fullasagoog is not supposed to be pure coldfusion 2) these are *blogs*. Every one of them is a personal journal, and while some of the posters write almost nothing but technical articles, some of them also write personal stuff. It's not supposed to be a technical news feed. 3) It's a free service, and you don't have to read the ones you don't like :) Toby On 17/08/2006, at 4:56 PM, Dale Fraser wrote: 2=Not Coldfusion 4=Not Coldfusion 6=Not Coldufison 8=Coldfusion http://jehiah.com/ Have a look at his blog, there is basically nothing on Coldfusion in there. I seriously think they should fix this to only pickup blogs with Coldfusion Categories rather than the whole bag of crap. http://dale.fraser.id.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
OMG I'm totally disgusted with the goog and will be asking for my money back!oh wait its free... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Ok guys, If you think free = crap then I understand why you love it. Im not bagging it so much as making a suggestion as to how it could waste less time. All it needs to do is only pick up blogs that specifically have a Coldfusion Category, its not rocket science. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M@ Bourke Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:37 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. OMG I'm totally disgusted with the goog and will be asking for my money back! oh wait its free... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
The thing to remember is that a lot of those blogs would have just signed up in the ColdFusion category, because that was the only one that made sense to use (e.g. that is what I did). -- Darryl http://www.acheron.org/darryl/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
RocketBoots is signed up as a Flash Blog, quite a few blogs don't fit neatly into one or the other. Compared to MXNA I'd say Geoff is a fair bit more selective about the blogs he aggregates. That said Dale, until the day you're hosting a blog aggregator or other insanely useful service free of charge for the community (what do you think the bandwidth bill is each month? Perhaps you'd like to pay it on Daemon's behalf) you've got a bit of a nerve calling the Goog a waste of time. Maybe you were just dashing off a title for your post, but it comes over a bit rich out here in the ether... __ Robin Hilliard On 17/08/2006, at 7:15 PM, darryl lyons wrote: The thing to remember is that a lot of those blogs would have just signed up in the ColdFusion category, because that was the only one that made sense to use (e.g. that is what I did). -- Darryl http://www.acheron.org/darryl/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Ok, I'll shut up, if you read the posts I said it was a waste of my time, not the Goog concept was a waste of time. But, obviously people think this is a difficult problem to fix and the Goog is some sacred idol that we shouldn't speak badly of. So I'll go back to adding interesting blogs individually where they provide a Coldfusion specific category. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 8:46 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. RocketBoots is signed up as a Flash Blog, quite a few blogs don't fit neatly into one or the other. Compared to MXNA I'd say Geoff is a fair bit more selective about the blogs he aggregates. That said Dale, until the day you're hosting a blog aggregator or other insanely useful service free of charge for the community (what do you think the bandwidth bill is each month? Perhaps you'd like to pay it on Daemon's behalf) you've got a bit of a nerve calling the Goog a waste of time. Maybe you were just dashing off a title for your post, but it comes over a bit rich out here in the ether... __ Robin Hilliard On 17/08/2006, at 7:15 PM, darryl lyons wrote: The thing to remember is that a lot of those blogs would have just signed up in the ColdFusion category, because that was the only one that made sense to use (e.g. that is what I did). -- Darryl http://www.acheron.org/darryl/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Sorry Dale, I will have to agree with Robin on this one, the problem is that people generally have blogs on other issues rather than just Coldfusion and its not everyones cup of tea. And it would be harder for Goog to filter and pleaese everyone at the same time. On 8/17/06, Robin Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/08/2006, at 6:27 PM, Dale Fraser wrote: Don't agree either, all the blogs I used to subscribe to had Coldfusion Categories and I just subscribed to them.That's because you're a human (or so I've been lead to believe byreliable witnesses ;-) not a cfml page.There is no international standard for the contents of the dc:subject tag in an rss feed thatidentifies Coldfusion related posts.If you want to compose a list of the names of ColdFusion postcategories across the few hundred or so blogs the Goog aggregates (and keep it updated) and perhaps use it to write a little filterfunction that automatically identifies Coldfusion related blog postsfor the CF blend I'm sure Geoff would be most appreciative.Perhapsyou wouldn't need the subject list - here's an exercise for community- minded cfaussiers with some time on their hands:Q U E S T I O N:What is a reliable, reasonably computationally inexpensive way toidentify a ColdFusion related blog post?Your entry must be a CFML UDF that, passed an item.../item as a string from this URL: http://www.fullasagoog.com/xml/fullasagoog50.xmlWill return a boolean true if the item would be of interest to Dale. Here is an example: cffunction returntype=boolean name=isColdFusionPost cfargument type=string name=item required=true return item contains forta /cffunctionEntries to be submitted by end of August.We will then take a samplefrom the above url, run your functions over the list of items and at the same time Dale can submit his own list of relevant articles.Wewill put the lists up and the entry that gets closest to Dale's list(i.e is most indistinguishable from a human's selection) wins.Inmemory of Alan Turing I think we simply have to christen this competition:THE FRAZER TESTRocketBoots will send a ColdFusion book of the winners choosing tothe winner.Should be fun...__Robin Hilliard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
MXNA has a smart category for ColdFusion which pretty much looks the content of the post to determine whether or not it is CF-related. -- Darryl http://www.acheron.org/darryl/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
On 17/08/2006, at 9:35 PM, Robin Hilliard wrote THE FRAZER TEST RocketBoots will send I've posted the challenge details with some tweaks on our blog: http://www.rocketboots.com.au/blog/index.cfm? mode=entryentry=1C17927C-E081-51EF-A73775EE3C5DDA59 __ Robin Hilliard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Hey, my post is in that blend and eat my ass with a spoon ;)Seriously, who gives a rats ass.When i was added to the goog, i used to talk abt CF more then FLEX obviously, i evolved into the next Adobe/Macromedia gimmick. How about this, instead of pissing and moaning about the free site, rebuild it, submit the code to Geoff and say this is how you do it :)Talk is cheap. I should know :) On 8/17/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently dropped all my favourite feeds in Google and put in Fullasagoog Coldfusion Blend instead. Wow, am I disappointed. I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm wasting my time here. I think someone at Fullasagoog should do something about it. Here's the current top 9 Coldfusion Blend Entries fullasagoog.com ColdFusionMX blend editcancel Show 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 items 1. Hey, stop talking already 2. My Real Story 3. CSS and Get Firefox 4. HostMySite.com is down 5. The truth about FLEX in business. 6. When did you loose your google-ginity. 7. Admin API ... Introduction 8. rethrow 9. Actionscript Common Function Library Survey Notice anything wrong here? 1=Coldfusion 2=Not Coldfusion 3=Not Coldfusion 4=Not Coldfusion 5=Not Coldfusion 6=Not Coldufison 7=Coldfusion 8=Coldfusion 9=Not Coldfusion Now I initially thought that it was because the bloggers were posting rubbish into their ColdFusion categories, but this is not the case, it is simply Fullasagoog getting it wrong and adding blogs that are not really Coldfusion specific to the list. I think based on the fact they might talk about Coldfusion occasionally. Take number 2 for example "My Real Story" http://jehiah.com/ Have a look at his blog, there is basically nothing on Coldfusion in there. I seriously think they should fix this to only pickup blogs with Coldfusion Categories rather than the whole bag of crap. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -- Regards,Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Sounds interesting, except my name is slept with a S FRASER I'm a bit slow, but I think we could have a good list just based on categories. I'll post a list of all blogs I used to subscribe to that had Coldfusion specific categories. PS: I'd be happy to post a Blog aggregator with all these if someone wants to tell me how or give me the needed software. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 9:36 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. On 17/08/2006, at 6:27 PM, Dale Fraser wrote: Don't agree either, all the blogs I used to subscribe to had Coldfusion Categories and I just subscribed to them. That's because you're a human (or so I've been lead to believe by reliable witnesses ;-) not a cfml page. There is no international standard for the contents of the dc:subject tag in an rss feed that identifies Coldfusion related posts. If you want to compose a list of the names of ColdFusion post categories across the few hundred or so blogs the Goog aggregates (and keep it updated) and perhaps use it to write a little filter function that automatically identifies Coldfusion related blog posts for the CF blend I'm sure Geoff would be most appreciative. Perhaps you wouldn't need the subject list - here's an exercise for community- minded cfaussiers with some time on their hands: Q U E S T I O N: What is a reliable, reasonably computationally inexpensive way to identify a ColdFusion related blog post? Your entry must be a CFML UDF that, passed an item.../item as a string from this URL: http://www.fullasagoog.com/xml/fullasagoog50.xml Will return a boolean true if the item would be of interest to Dale. Here is an example: cffunction returntype=boolean name=isColdFusionPost cfargument type=string name=item required=true return item contains forta /cffunction Entries to be submitted by end of August. We will then take a sample from the above url, run your functions over the list of items and at the same time Dale can submit his own list of relevant articles. We will put the lists up and the entry that gets closest to Dale's list (i.e is most indistinguishable from a human's selection) wins. In memory of Alan Turing I think we simply have to christen this competition: THE FRAZER TEST RocketBoots will send a ColdFusion book of the winners choosing to the winner. Should be fun... __ Robin Hilliard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Dale et al, Dale Fraser wrote: I recently dropped all my favourite feeds in Google and put in Fullasagoog Coldfusion Blend instead. Wow, am I disappointed. I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm wasting my time here. I think someone at Fullasagoog should do something about it. Here's the current top 9 Coldfusion Blend Entries First thing to say is generally I agree. I'm not a great fan of off topic posts myself but they clearly don't annoy me as much as they annoy some. There needs to be a bit of a reality check: 1) anecdotally -- about an equal proportion of people *want* to see non-technical posts from CF insiders. They feel it humanises the community and so on. 2) its not computationally trivial to work out what is a good and not so good post 3) not everyone has a category that is relevant -- if i only take CF posts from a blogger do I miss the posts they might have on JS, Flash, Flex, SQL etc? Many bloggers have many technical interests. CF itself has many satellite subjects that should be of interest to CF developers. I have plans for the next generation Goog to provide some degree of social interaction to widen the scope for users to be editors and hone the relevance of posts. I also have a variety of ideas on how to do this computationally. There are some 500 hand picked blogs on Fullasagoog. And a waiting list of about half that. I review each blog before adding it. I even remove some blogs I find to be reliably bad. This is a very subjective and time consuming process. Bloggers tools change, their posting habits change, there are a multitude of human variables associated with maintaining a good feed. I will endeavour to find more time to address the concerns you have raised. But in the end, Fullasagoog is not cash flow positive and is heavily subsidised by Daemon [1]. It's a bit of a hobby that was built to scatch an itch of *mine* several years ago and at the moment I've got some sort of St. Vitus dance going on trying to reach all the other itches. -- geoff http://www.fullasagoog.com/ [1]: http://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Great to hear, Geoff. Speaking of making it pay, have you thought of following Ray's lead in recognizing that while some will not pay cash, they will buy stuff off an Amazon wishlist. Not necessarily something for the company's benefit, but certainly for yours. I'll be very interested to see how things evolve, and if there's a way for you to indicate a means to accept help from others, again I would bet people would volunteer (including me). I'll say that one thing I want very much to see work is the search feature. That would just seem SO useful, but I've never found it to turn up results I knew were there. Any thoughts. /charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Bowers Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:31 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. Dale et al, Dale Fraser wrote: I recently dropped all my favourite feeds in Google and put in Fullasagoog Coldfusion Blend instead. Wow, am I disappointed. I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm wasting my time here. I think someone at Fullasagoog should do something about it. Here's the current top 9 Coldfusion Blend Entries First thing to say is generally I agree. I'm not a great fan of off topic posts myself but they clearly don't annoy me as much as they annoy some. There needs to be a bit of a reality check: 1) anecdotally -- about an equal proportion of people *want* to see non-technical posts from CF insiders. They feel it humanises the community and so on. 2) its not computationally trivial to work out what is a good and not so good post 3) not everyone has a category that is relevant -- if i only take CF posts from a blogger do I miss the posts they might have on JS, Flash, Flex, SQL etc? Many bloggers have many technical interests. CF itself has many satellite subjects that should be of interest to CF developers. I have plans for the next generation Goog to provide some degree of social interaction to widen the scope for users to be editors and hone the relevance of posts. I also have a variety of ideas on how to do this computationally. There are some 500 hand picked blogs on Fullasagoog. And a waiting list of about half that. I review each blog before adding it. I even remove some blogs I find to be reliably bad. This is a very subjective and time consuming process. Bloggers tools change, their posting habits change, there are a multitude of human variables associated with maintaining a good feed. I will endeavour to find more time to address the concerns you have raised. But in the end, Fullasagoog is not cash flow positive and is heavily subsidised by Daemon [1]. It's a bit of a hobby that was built to scatch an itch of *mine* several years ago and at the moment I've got some sort of St. Vitus dance going on trying to reach all the other itches. -- geoff http://www.fullasagoog.com/ [1]: http://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Patrick, just as one example, my blog (which usesBlogCFC) does indeed send that "category" element, and it's based on the "category" I pick in my site. As I said in an earlier note, though, the categories I choose are based on my own presumption that people looking at my blog already know it's all about CF, and therefore want a breakdown within that. I don't by and large tag every blog entry with CF as a category. This does raise an interesting idea that perhaps Ray might consider: a means to set a default category that all posts from a given blog would have (kind of a meta-category), with a clear option to turn it off for posts that do not fit. Of course, humans being humans, it's always possible one could miss that they should have turned it off for an off-topic post. There's got to be some balance that could be achieved in solving these different problems. :-) I think it's just a matter of time. We're still pretty early in the history of the blogosphere. PS Thanks, praggyenator, for the vote of confidence in my other idea. And Mark raises the idea of delicious. I have to admit I just have never gotten into it. Maybe it could well be part of the solution. /charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick BranleySent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:33 PMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. oooh wait!then i find this: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss#ltcategorygtSubelementOfLtitemgtthe rss 2.0 spec does support categories seems it just needs to be a case of getting bloggers to be more specific about what categories their posts relate to.. or maybe to goog aggregator more picky about what posts it includes into its blended feeds ?Pat --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Haha, I think I just need a better RSS reader than the google home page :) Any suggestions? Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Friday, 18 August 2006 10:41 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. Dale, I am glad you slept with an S? Sorry couldn't resist, as much as I knew what you meant :-) Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Friday, 18 August 2006 6:28 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. Sounds interesting, except my name is slept with a S FRASER --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
Bloglines is good for that sort of thing. And I believe you can export a feed of your feeds as well. Dale Fraser wrote: Haha, I think I just need a better RSS reader than the google home page :) Any suggestions? Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Friday, 18 August 2006 10:41 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. Dale, I am glad you slept with an S? Sorry couldn't resist, as much as I knew what you meant :-) Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Friday, 18 August 2006 6:28 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. Sounds interesting, except my name is slept with a S FRASER -- Haikal Saadh Applications Programmer ICT Resources, TALSS QUT Kelvin Grove --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time.
haha geeks are funny. Dale actually made a valid point. From there on in everyone delved into semantics. Dale I feel your pain. Nice observation! On 8/18/06, Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bloglines is good for that sort of thing. And I believe you can export afeed of your feeds as well. Dale Fraser wrote: Haha, I think I just need a better RSS reader than the google home page :) Any suggestions? Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Friday, 18 August 2006 10:41 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. Dale, I am glad you slept with an S? Sorry couldn't resist, as much as I knew what you meant :-) Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +6138676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Friday, 18 August 2006 6:28 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fullasagoog a waste of time. Sounds interesting, except my name is slept with a S FRASER --Haikal SaadhApplications ProgrammerICT Resources, TALSSQUT Kelvin Grove --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
