[cfaussie] JSON/REST
Hi Guys, Been asked if I can create expose part of a web site through the JSON/REST technology instead on XML. Has anyone done this with CF, is it even possible. I not familiar with this technology but from what I have read its going to take over from XML and SOAP. Brian Knott | Budget and Forecast Specialisthttp://search.ourspace.int.corp.sun:80/PeopleResults.aspx?k=JobTitle:%22Budgets%20and%20Forecasts%20Specialist%20EP%22 | Group Budget, Planning Forecasting | Group Finance | Suncorp Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078 GPO Box 1453 Brisbane QLD 4001 | Level 29, Brisbane Square, 266 George St brian.kn...@suncorp.com.aumailto:brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] JSON/REST
You can, it's certainly possible. I would debate the fact that it's taking over from XML and SOAP though. Different technologies for different use cases. Cheers Kai Hi Guys, Been asked if I can create expose part of a web site through the JSON/REST technology instead on XML. Has anyone done this with CF, is it even possible. I not familiar with this technology but from what I have read its going to take over from XML and SOAP. -- Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 435 263 414 web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz blog: http://www.bloginblack.de twitter: http://www.twitter.com/agentK !!! New AU mobile number !!! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] JSON/REST
Do you know of any good information / tutorials on this technology Brian Knott Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kai Koenig Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 8:58 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] JSON/REST You can, it's certainly possible. I would debate the fact that it's taking over from XML and SOAP though. Different technologies for different use cases. Cheers Kai Hi Guys, Been asked if I can create expose part of a web site through the JSON/REST technology instead on XML. Has anyone done this with CF, is it even possible. I not familiar with this technology but from what I have read its going to take over from XML and SOAP. -- Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 435 263 414 web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz blog: http://www.bloginblack.de twitter: http://www.twitter.com/agentK !!! New AU mobile number !!! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] JSON/REST
You may want to check this out: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Developing/WSc3ff6d0ea77859461172e0811cbec22c24-626a.html Since remote CFC's can accept HTTP requests and return data, this sort of thing can be easily achieved. For easily creating semantically correct REST web services, you may want to look into Taffy: http://github.com/atuttle/Taffy/wiki Mark On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: You can, it's certainly possible. I would debate the fact that it's taking over from XML and SOAP though. Different technologies for different use cases. Cheers Kai Hi Guys, Been asked if I can create expose part of a web site through the JSON/REST technology instead on XML. Has anyone done this with CF, is it even possible. I not familiar with this technology but from what I have read its going to take over from XML and SOAP. -- Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 435 263 414 web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz blog: http://www.bloginblack.de twitter: http://www.twitter.com/agentK !!! New AU mobile number !!! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] JSON/REST
Agreed here, there are some people that do claim that it will. And the main reason for this is that RESTful, addresses some of the limitations that soap has. But it is down to preference and choice. As for ColdFusion, ColdFusion has been able to do this for a very long time. ColdBox has a very nice Rest Service built in where you can even lock your handlers/controllers down by the type of REST request. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] JSON/REST
On 15/09/2010 08:55, KNOTT, Brian wrote: Hi Guys, Been asked if I can create expose part of a web site through the JSON/REST technology instead on XML. Has anyone done this with CF, is it even possible. JSON and REST are two separate things, JSON being commonly used to pass data to clients like browsers, CF does that well. REST is a way of talking to servers using simple HTTP commands so CF does that as well! :-) Google on: REST with coldfusion cfml -rest of lots of good hits... -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
What are typical contractor rates for a CF developer? Ranges are fine, for an experienced person. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com/ http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com http://flexcf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
depends on the length of the contract but usually ranges from 80-100 for someone decent _ From: Dale Fraser [mailto:d...@fraser.id.au] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 10:55 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates What are typical contractor rates for a CF developer? Ranges are fine, for an experienced person. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com/ http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com http://flexcf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: depends on the length of the contract but usually ranges from 80-100 for someone decent Sounds a bit low to me so I'd be interested to hear the high end folks are seeing in Oz. I know a lot of people the in US who have substantially higher rates than that and in Europe rates can go much higher. I know that the US won't bear European rates... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
Beg your pardon? I certainly wouldn't consider myself low end that's for sure. Yeah $80 is low and when you are dealing with recruitment agencies you would be extremely hard pressed to get anything over $80-85 an hour around here. Subcontracting yourself yeah you might be able to push the envelope a little and maybe stretch it out to $110-120 an hour but even that is extremely rare from my experience, mainly because of the industry and companies just don't want to pay that sort of money for a contractor for general web development services. When you start dealing with specialised development like for example what Mark Mandel probably gets his hands on then I am sure he pushes it a little more but I wouldn't imagine it would me much more than that. I said that range because I don't want to price myself out of the general development sector where I have placed myself because that is where a lot of the work is -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 1:23 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: depends on the length of the contract but usually ranges from 80-100 for someone decent Sounds a bit low to me so I'd be interested to hear the high end folks are seeing in Oz. I know a lot of people the in US who have substantially higher rates than that and in Europe rates can go much higher. I know that the US won't bear European rates... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for September: Don't Miss It! Tomorrow Night (16 Sept)
If you are attending, (and we hope that you will be), please RSVP so that Steve can organise catering. This is a not-to-be-missed event, especially for those responsible for web application security! Details: A look at securing your ColdFusion servers using the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide and other practical tips to ensure your servers are best protected against unknown future vulnerabilities and attacks. * A look at the technical reasons behind the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide * Running ColdFusion with minimal privileges * Stopping the world from accessing the CF Administrator * ColdFusion Administrator secure settings * Making use of Security Sandboxes * Disabling unused services * Security Issues in your code * The recent CF8/9 Security Hot Fix, how to hack an unpatched CF server and why you should have already patched your server Phil is a long-time ColdFusion developer and administrator and has a deep understanding of how ColdFusion does what it does. He consults to many varied organisations around ColdFusion, Flex and the larger Adobe product stack and advocates best practice approaches to development methodologies, testing and deployment security. He is a long time RocketBoots partner and CodeWar quizmaster. Date: Thursday 16 September 2010 Time: 6:30 PM Location: CogState Level 2 255 Bourke Street Melbourne, VIC, 3000 A note on the door will provide a number to ring for access. RSVP: Please reply to this post if you are planning to attend so we know how many pizzas to order. As always, many thanks to Dale Fraser and CogState for their hospitality. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson Co-Manager Melbourne CFUG Steve Onnis Manager Melbourne CFUG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for September: Don't Miss It! Tomorrow Night (16 Sept)
Hi Peter / Steve, I will be there. And will most likely have our intern with us. As always, please contact me if I can be of any futher assistance. Gavin Beau Baumanis Senior Application Developer PalCare Pty. Ltd. P: +61 -3 9380 3513 M: +61 -438 545 586 E: b...@palcare.com.au W: http://palcare.com.au On 15/09/2010, at 1:36 PM, Peter Robertson wrote: If you are attending, (and we hope that you will be), please RSVP so that Steve can organise catering. This is a not-to-be-missed event, especially for those responsible for web application security! Details: A look at securing your ColdFusion servers using the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide and other practical tips to ensure your servers are best protected against unknown future vulnerabilities and attacks. * A look at the technical reasons behind the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide * Running ColdFusion with minimal privileges * Stopping the world from accessing the CF Administrator * ColdFusion Administrator secure settings * Making use of Security Sandboxes * Disabling unused services * Security Issues in your code * The recent CF8/9 Security Hot Fix, how to hack an unpatched CF server and why you should have already patched your server Phil is a long-time ColdFusion developer and administrator and has a deep understanding of how ColdFusion does what it does. He consults to many varied organisations around ColdFusion, Flex and the larger Adobe product stack and advocates best practice approaches to development methodologies, testing and deployment security. He is a long time RocketBoots partner and CodeWar quizmaster. Date: Thursday 16 September 2010 Time: 6:30 PM Location: CogState Level 2 255 Bourke Street Melbourne, VIC, 3000 A note on the door will provide a number to ring for access. RSVP: Please reply to this post if you are planning to attend so we know how many pizzas to order. As always, many thanks to Dale Fraser and CogState for their hospitality. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson Co-Manager Melbourne CFUG Steve Onnis Manager Melbourne CFUG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for September: Don't Miss It! Tomorrow Night (16 Sept)
I'll be there. Seriously people - don't miss this one! Sent from my iPhone On 15/09/2010, at 1:41 PM, Gavin Beau Baumanis b...@palcare.com.au wrote: Hi Peter / Steve, I will be there. And will most likely have our intern with us. As always, please contact me if I can be of any futher assistance. Gavin Beau Baumanis Senior Application Developer PalCare Pty. Ltd. P: +61 -3 9380 3513 M: +61 -438 545 586 E: b...@palcare.com.au W: http://palcare.com.au On 15/09/2010, at 1:36 PM, Peter Robertson wrote: If you are attending, (and we hope that you will be), please RSVP so that Steve can organise catering. This is a not-to-be-missed event, especially for those responsible for web application security! Details: A look at securing your ColdFusion servers using the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide and other practical tips to ensure your servers are best protected against unknown future vulnerabilities and attacks. * A look at the technical reasons behind the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide * Running ColdFusion with minimal privileges * Stopping the world from accessing the CF Administrator * ColdFusion Administrator secure settings * Making use of Security Sandboxes * Disabling unused services * Security Issues in your code * The recent CF8/9 Security Hot Fix, how to hack an unpatched CF server and why you should have already patched your server Phil is a long-time ColdFusion developer and administrator and has a deep understanding of how ColdFusion does what it does. He consults to many varied organisations around ColdFusion, Flex and the larger Adobe product stack and advocates best practice approaches to development methodologies, testing and deployment security. He is a long time RocketBoots partner and CodeWar quizmaster. Date: Thursday 16 September 2010 Time: 6:30 PM Location: CogState Level 2 255 Bourke Street Melbourne, VIC, 3000 A note on the door will provide a number to ring for access. RSVP: Please reply to this post if you are planning to attend so we know how many pizzas to order. As always, many thanks to Dale Fraser and CogState for their hospitality. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson Co-Manager Melbourne CFUG Steve Onnis Manager Melbourne CFUG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: CF Contractor Rates
In my experience, you're hard-pressed to go beyond the $65 to $85 per hour if what you're doing is described as 'CF Development'. While you may in fact wind up assisting in analysis, design, strategy and all the rest of it, when it comes to getting paid, if you're in this space, you're considered a 'coder'. The only place I make really good bucks is in the consulting area, often right away from the technology in such things as business process analysis and design, requirements docs, etc. Overall, I think the agencies have made us into a commodity, by offering some kind of standardised packaging to the market and then competing with each other on price to get the business. Well, I guess you're looking from the other side Dale, so this won't be all bad news to you? Peter On Sep 15, 10:55 am, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: What are typical contractor rates for a CF developer? Ranges are fine, for an experienced person. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.auhttp://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com/http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.comhttp://learncf.com http://flexcf.comhttp://flexcf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
Ditto, I've been doing CF development in Brisbane since 1997 (so I'd say I'm experienced), and I currently bill at $85 an hour. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 1:31 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates Beg your pardon? I certainly wouldn't consider myself low end that's for sure. Yeah $80 is low and when you are dealing with recruitment agencies you would be extremely hard pressed to get anything over $80-85 an hour around here. Subcontracting yourself yeah you might be able to push the envelope a little and maybe stretch it out to $110-120 an hour but even that is extremely rare from my experience, mainly because of the industry and companies just don't want to pay that sort of money for a contractor for general web development services. When you start dealing with specialised development like for example what Mark Mandel probably gets his hands on then I am sure he pushes it a little more but I wouldn't imagine it would me much more than that. I said that range because I don't want to price myself out of the general development sector where I have placed myself because that is where a lot of the work is -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 1:23 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: depends on the length of the contract but usually ranges from 80-100 for someone decent Sounds a bit low to me so I'd be interested to hear the high end folks are seeing in Oz. I know a lot of people the in US who have substantially higher rates than that and in Europe rates can go much higher. I know that the US won't bear European rates... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Yeah $80 is low and when you are dealing with recruitment agencies you would be extremely hard pressed to get anything over $80-85 an hour around here. Ah, yes, they'd take quite a margin, I'm sure. Subcontracting yourself yeah you might be able to push the envelope a little and maybe stretch it out to $110-120 an hour but even that is extremely rare from my experience, mainly because of the industry and companies just don't want to pay that sort of money for a contractor for general web development services. Thanx for confirming that. Sounds like rates vary quite a lot by region then and Oz rates are lower than US rates which are lower than European rates (but then the cost of living in the US is lower than in Europe - maybe the cost of living is lower in Oz than the US?). I know from working with Railo Consulting that we have to offer different rates in different regions because of these sorts of considerations. One comment I got from a local agency back when I was freelance was that my rate was much, much higher than the PHP developers they dealt with - but they checked the market and came back and said OK, it seems CF developers get paid a lot more than PHP developers. How do Oz rates for CFers compare with web dev rates for other technologies? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
Thanx Kai. That's good insight. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: Sean, both Australia and New Zealand (the latter even more) are what I'd like to call low(er)-wage economies compared to Europe and the US (at least before the GFC, things might have changed as well). 80 AU$ resp. NZ$ is probably about right what one can achieve by going through 3rd party recruiters down here. Typically for corporates and government agencies. That _IS_ on the lower end of things and also depends on the length of a contract and how one positions himself. I personally wouldn't position myself as a general web contractor (as Steve has mentioned in another post), that's not what I am and want to do. That obviously does make a difference in a) what work you get and b) what rate you can achieve. Towards the higher end of the bracket down under you'd probably see around 130-150 AU$/NZ$ for specialised CF work. Overall you're right - you might be able to achieve higher rates overseas, that's one of the reasons why a lot of people here actually do a lot of work for clients in the US and Europe (or also Australia in my case being in NZ). Cheers Kai -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
Seriously you can get a PHP developer for like $40-50 an hour...maybe even less. -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 1:57 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Yeah $80 is low and when you are dealing with recruitment agencies you would be extremely hard pressed to get anything over $80-85 an hour around here. Ah, yes, they'd take quite a margin, I'm sure. Subcontracting yourself yeah you might be able to push the envelope a little and maybe stretch it out to $110-120 an hour but even that is extremely rare from my experience, mainly because of the industry and companies just don't want to pay that sort of money for a contractor for general web development services. Thanx for confirming that. Sounds like rates vary quite a lot by region then and Oz rates are lower than US rates which are lower than European rates (but then the cost of living in the US is lower than in Europe - maybe the cost of living is lower in Oz than the US?). I know from working with Railo Consulting that we have to offer different rates in different regions because of these sorts of considerations. One comment I got from a local agency back when I was freelance was that my rate was much, much higher than the PHP developers they dealt with - but they checked the market and came back and said OK, it seems CF developers get paid a lot more than PHP developers. How do Oz rates for CFers compare with web dev rates for other technologies? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for September: Don't Miss It! Tomorrow Night (16 Sept)
Yeah, no pressure there! And come along with the URLs of your unpatched CF9 (8 or 7) servers. I'll show you how easy it to log into your CF Administrator! Seriously. Patch your servers. Phil On 15/09/10 1:44 PM, MrBuzzy wrote: I'll be there. Seriously people - don't miss this one! Sent from my iPhone On 15/09/2010, at 1:41 PM, Gavin Beau Baumanisb...@palcare.com.au wrote: Hi Peter / Steve, I will be there. And will most likely have our intern with us. As always, please contact me if I can be of any futher assistance. Gavin Beau Baumanis Senior Application Developer PalCare Pty. Ltd. P: +61 -3 9380 3513 M: +61 -438 545 586 E: b...@palcare.com.au W: http://palcare.com.au On 15/09/2010, at 1:36 PM, Peter Robertson wrote: If you are attending, (and we hope that you will be), please RSVP so that Steve can organise catering. This is a not-to-be-missed event, especially for those responsible for web application security! Details: A look at securing your ColdFusion servers using the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide and other practical tips to ensure your servers are best protected against unknown future vulnerabilities and attacks. * A look at the technical reasons behind the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide * Running ColdFusion with minimal privileges * Stopping the world from accessing the CF Administrator * ColdFusion Administrator secure settings * Making use of Security Sandboxes * Disabling unused services * Security Issues in your code * The recent CF8/9 Security Hot Fix, how to hack an unpatched CF server and why you should have already patched your server Phil is a long-time ColdFusion developer and administrator and has a deep understanding of how ColdFusion does what it does. He consults to many varied organisations around ColdFusion, Flex and the larger Adobe product stack and advocates best practice approaches to development methodologies, testing and deployment security. He is a long time RocketBoots partner and CodeWar quizmaster. Date: Thursday 16 September 2010 Time: 6:30 PM Location: CogState Level 2 255 Bourke Street Melbourne, VIC, 3000 A note on the door will provide a number to ring for access. RSVP: Please reply to this post if you are planning to attend so we know how many pizzas to order. As always, many thanks to Dale Fraser and CogState for their hospitality. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson Co-Manager Melbourne CFUG Steve Onnis Manager Melbourne CFUG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Seriously you can get a PHP developer for like $40-50 an hour...maybe even less. OK. Good to know there's the same differential in Oz as in the US - which makes it good to be a CF developer! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
Thanks for all the feedback. I was thinking around the $80 mark and that sounds about right unless you're a premium well known identity. Sean your obviously a special case, however I would have thought that given the economy in the USA contract rates would be lower than here. Especially given Australia has one of the highest costs of living of any Country. Sounds like I should sell my property here, move to USA get a contractor role, buy a mansion cheap :) Now where did I leave my green card. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Corfield Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 2:08 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Seriously you can get a PHP developer for like $40-50 an hour...maybe even less. OK. Good to know there's the same differential in Oz as in the US - which makes it good to be a CF developer! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for September: Don't Miss It! Tomorrow Night (16 Sept)
I'll be there, I'm not convinced MrBuzzy will :P Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Haeusler Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 2:03 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for September: Don't Miss It! Tomorrow Night (16 Sept) Yeah, no pressure there! And come along with the URLs of your unpatched CF9 (8 or 7) servers. I'll show you how easy it to log into your CF Administrator! Seriously. Patch your servers. Phil On 15/09/10 1:44 PM, MrBuzzy wrote: I'll be there. Seriously people - don't miss this one! Sent from my iPhone On 15/09/2010, at 1:41 PM, Gavin Beau Baumanisb...@palcare.com.au wrote: Hi Peter / Steve, I will be there. And will most likely have our intern with us. As always, please contact me if I can be of any futher assistance. Gavin Beau Baumanis Senior Application Developer PalCare Pty. Ltd. P: +61 -3 9380 3513 M: +61 -438 545 586 E: b...@palcare.com.au W: http://palcare.com.au On 15/09/2010, at 1:36 PM, Peter Robertson wrote: If you are attending, (and we hope that you will be), please RSVP so that Steve can organise catering. This is a not-to-be-missed event, especially for those responsible for web application security! Details: A look at securing your ColdFusion servers using the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide and other practical tips to ensure your servers are best protected against unknown future vulnerabilities and attacks. * A look at the technical reasons behind the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide * Running ColdFusion with minimal privileges * Stopping the world from accessing the CF Administrator * ColdFusion Administrator secure settings * Making use of Security Sandboxes * Disabling unused services * Security Issues in your code * The recent CF8/9 Security Hot Fix, how to hack an unpatched CF server and why you should have already patched your server Phil is a long-time ColdFusion developer and administrator and has a deep understanding of how ColdFusion does what it does. He consults to many varied organisations around ColdFusion, Flex and the larger Adobe product stack and advocates best practice approaches to development methodologies, testing and deployment security. He is a long time RocketBoots partner and CodeWar quizmaster. Date: Thursday 16 September 2010 Time: 6:30 PM Location: CogState Level 2 255 Bourke Street Melbourne, VIC, 3000 A note on the door will provide a number to ring for access. RSVP: Please reply to this post if you are planning to attend so we know how many pizzas to order. As always, many thanks to Dale Fraser and CogState for their hospitality. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson Co-Manager Melbourne CFUG Steve Onnis Manager Melbourne CFUG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for September: Don't Miss It! Tomorrow Night (16 Sept)
I am hoping to be there. Depends on how deploy goes. Mark On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: I'll be there, I'm not convinced MrBuzzy will :P Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Haeusler Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 2:03 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for September: Don't Miss It! Tomorrow Night (16 Sept) Yeah, no pressure there! And come along with the URLs of your unpatched CF9 (8 or 7) servers. I'll show you how easy it to log into your CF Administrator! Seriously. Patch your servers. Phil On 15/09/10 1:44 PM, MrBuzzy wrote: I'll be there. Seriously people - don't miss this one! Sent from my iPhone On 15/09/2010, at 1:41 PM, Gavin Beau Baumanisb...@palcare.com.au wrote: Hi Peter / Steve, I will be there. And will most likely have our intern with us. As always, please contact me if I can be of any futher assistance. Gavin Beau Baumanis Senior Application Developer PalCare Pty. Ltd. P: +61 -3 9380 3513 M: +61 -438 545 586 E: b...@palcare.com.au W: http://palcare.com.au On 15/09/2010, at 1:36 PM, Peter Robertson wrote: If you are attending, (and we hope that you will be), please RSVP so that Steve can organise catering. This is a not-to-be-missed event, especially for those responsible for web application security! Details: A look at securing your ColdFusion servers using the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide and other practical tips to ensure your servers are best protected against unknown future vulnerabilities and attacks. * A look at the technical reasons behind the ColdFusion Server Lock Down Guide * Running ColdFusion with minimal privileges * Stopping the world from accessing the CF Administrator * ColdFusion Administrator secure settings * Making use of Security Sandboxes * Disabling unused services * Security Issues in your code * The recent CF8/9 Security Hot Fix, how to hack an unpatched CF server and why you should have already patched your server Phil is a long-time ColdFusion developer and administrator and has a deep understanding of how ColdFusion does what it does. He consults to many varied organisations around ColdFusion, Flex and the larger Adobe product stack and advocates best practice approaches to development methodologies, testing and deployment security. He is a long time RocketBoots partner and CodeWar quizmaster. Date: Thursday 16 September 2010 Time: 6:30 PM Location: CogState Level 2 255 Bourke Street Melbourne, VIC, 3000 A note on the door will provide a number to ring for access. RSVP: Please reply to this post if you are planning to attend so we know how many pizzas to order. As always, many thanks to Dale Fraser and CogState for their hospitality. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson Co-Manager Melbourne CFUG Steve Onnis Manager Melbourne CFUG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You
