RE: [Clamav-users] RFE: clamav-milter stuff

2004-03-23 Thread Damian Menscher
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Damian Menscher wrote:
 On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Nigel Horne wrote:

 ClamAV version 0.67-1, clamav-milter version 0.67a

 Please be more specific by:

 (b) giving an example of a message that you think is missing some
 information, since all the messages I see already contain the
 virus/worm name

 550 5.7.1 Virus detected by ClamAV - http://www.clamav.net

 (d) pointing out and example of what more you want.

 How about something like:
 550 5.7.1 Virus detected: Mydoom.f  (http://www.clamav.net/)

Just a reminder, this is still something we're waiting for.  It doesn't
look like it's been changed in CVS, though I hear someone submitted a
patch for it.  (I'm being a bit pushy since it would be good to get this
into the final release of 0.70.)

Also, I'd like to add another, slightly more difficult, request: a
little more flexibility in the drop/bounce/reject options.  If the virus
database could contain a flag of whether the virus is one that spoofs
the from address, versus one that doesn't, versus one that attaches to
legitimate files (word macro viruses, for example), then postmasters
could decide whether to drop/bounce/reject these different *classes* of
viruses accordingly.  Would certainly end the endless debate about what
is the best method, or at least make it more interesting.  ;)

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[Clamav-users] RFE: clamav-milter stuff

2004-03-10 Thread Damian Menscher
[Please point me to the right place to send an RFE, if this isn't it.

The clamav-milter should be a bit more descriptive than just saying a
virus was found.  Like saying the Klez virus was found, for example.

Also, there should be a way to reject a message 5xx status while still
saving a copy for archival purposes.

Finally, freshclam -d should be started in the clamd startup script.

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Re: [Clamav-users] RFE: clamav-milter stuff

2004-03-10 Thread Nigel Horne
On Wednesday 10 Mar 2004 10:28 am, Damian Menscher wrote:

 The clamav-milter should be a bit more descriptive than just saying a
 virus was found.  Like saying the Klez virus was found, for example.

Please be more specific by:
(a) quoting the version of clamav-milter you're running
(b) giving an example of a message that you think is missing some information, since
all the messages I see already contain the virus/worm name
(c) what do you mean by 'message':
entry in syslog?
e-mail?
message on stderr?
debug output?
(d) pointing out and example of what more you want.

 Also, there should be a way to reject a message 5xx status while still
 saving a copy for archival purposes.

Why not use either the --quarantine or --quarantine-dir options for this?

 Damian Menscher

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Re: [Clamav-users] RFE: clamav-milter stuff

2004-03-10 Thread Damian Menscher
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Nigel Horne wrote:
 On Wednesday 10 Mar 2004 10:28 am, Damian Menscher wrote:

  The clamav-milter should be a bit more descriptive than just saying a
  virus was found.  Like saying the Klez virus was found, for example.

 Please be more specific by:
 (a) quoting the version of clamav-milter you're running

The latest released version: 0.67-1

 (b) giving an example of a message that you think is missing some information, since
 all the messages I see already contain the virus/worm name

550 5.7.1 Virus detected by ClamAV - http://www.clamav.net

 (c) what do you mean by 'message':
   entry in syslog?
   e-mail?
   message on stderr?
   debug output?

None of the above.  I'm referring to the text message in sendmail's
rejection.

 (d) pointing out and example of what more you want.

How about something like:
550 5.7.1 Virus detected: Mydoom.f  (http://www.clamav.net/)

  Also, there should be a way to reject a message 5xx status while still
  saving a copy for archival purposes.

 Why not use either the --quarantine or --quarantine-dir options for this?

I might be doing something wrong, but my tests indicate that enabling
--quarantine causes sendmail to accept the message and then redirect it.
I want it to *reject* the message and filter it.  This guards against
false positives in two ways: the sender gets a bounce and resends it,
while the recipient has the option to look in their folder of caught
viruses.  I realize this could also be accomplished by enabling the
--bounce option, but with all the spoofed From: headers I find
generating any new email as a result of a virus to be morally wrong.

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Re: [Clamav-users] RFE: clamav-milter stuff

2004-03-10 Thread Kritof Petr
Damian Menscher wrote:

Also, there should be a way to reject a message 5xx status while still
saving a copy for archival purposes.
Finally, freshclam -d should be started in the clamd startup script.
 

I think no. Some people using different technique for virusdb updates as 
rsync, local mirror shares, etc.

Petr



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RE: [Clamav-users] RFE: clamav-milter stuff

2004-03-10 Thread Nigel Horne
  Please be more specific by:
  (a) quoting the version of clamav-milter you're running
 
 The latest released version: 0.67-1

That's a version of clamAV, not clamav-milter. Please run
'clamav-milter --version'.

  (b) giving an example of a message that you think is missing 
 some information, since
  all the messages I see already contain the virus/worm name
 
 550 5.7.1 Virus detected by ClamAV - http://www.clamav.net
 
  (c) what do you mean by 'message':
  entry in syslog?
  e-mail?
  message on stderr?
  debug output?
 
 None of the above.  I'm referring to the text message in sendmail's
 rejection.

Actually that's the 3rd option (e-mail), but nevertheless now I know
what you're referring to I'll look at it.

 
  (d) pointing out and example of what more you want.
 
 How about something like:
 550 5.7.1 Virus detected: Mydoom.f  (http://www.clamav.net/) 


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RE: [Clamav-users] RFE: clamav-milter stuff

2004-03-10 Thread Damian Menscher
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Nigel Horne wrote:

   Please be more specific by:
   (a) quoting the version of clamav-milter you're running
 
  The latest released version: 0.67-1

 That's a version of clamAV, not clamav-milter. Please run
 'clamav-milter --version'.

ClamAV version 0.67-1, clamav-milter version 0.67a

   (b) giving an example of a message that you think is missing
  some information, since
   all the messages I see already contain the virus/worm name
 
  550 5.7.1 Virus detected by ClamAV - http://www.clamav.net
 
   (c) what do you mean by 'message':
 entry in syslog?
 e-mail?
 message on stderr?
 debug output?
 
  None of the above.  I'm referring to the text message in sendmail's
  rejection.

 Actually that's the 3rd option (e-mail), but nevertheless now I know
 what you're referring to I'll look at it.

Oh, ok.. I was trying to distinguish the text accompanying the return
code from the text of a --bounce message.

By the way, while I'm being picky, perhaps sending a bounce message (as
opposed to rejecting the message) is not an appropriate default?  I'm
sure we're all well aware of how annoying bounces are in the age of
spoofed headers

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Re: [Clamav-users] RFE: clamav-milter stuff

2004-03-10 Thread Nigel Horne
On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, at 09:31  pm, Damian Menscher wrote:
By the way, while I'm being picky, perhaps sending a bounce message (as
opposed to rejecting the message) is not an appropriate default?
That isn't the default action. You have to give the --bounce option for 
a bounce to be
generated


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Re: [Clamav-users] RFE: clamav-milter stuff

2004-03-10 Thread Damian Menscher
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Nigel Horne wrote:
 On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, at 09:31  pm, Damian Menscher wrote:
 
  By the way, while I'm being picky, perhaps sending a bounce message (as
  opposed to rejecting the message) is not an appropriate default?

 That isn't the default action. You have to give the --bounce option
 for a bounce to be generated

Sorry, I was unclear.  The bounce is a message to the original
recipient and to the postmaster saying that a virus has been filtered.
Not quite as bad as sending it to a non-existent sender, but still a bit
annoying, since all it says is that you failed to receive some message.
Hard to imagine why anyone would want this.

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