Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Looks interesting. It even has the issue tracker on github still enabled. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Lars Rune Nøstdal larsnost...@gmail.com wrote: Looks interesting. It even has the issue tracker on github still enabled. The reason contrib libraries (and Clojure itself) have the issue tracker disabled on Github is because they use JIRA for tracking issues - and pull requests are not accepted for contrib libraries (or Clojure itself), instead you need to submit a patch to a ticket in JIRA (and you need a signed Contributor's Agreement on file). Please don't revisit that discussion tho' - search the archives for several of the (often heated) discussions about patches vs pull requests, and just accept that's the way things are done for Clojure and its contrib libraries... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Andrey: I am no lawyer, but the following answer on this QA page about the Eclipse Public License suggests that if you take code from an EPL-licensed project (which java.jdbc is), then the project in which you include it must also be licensed under the EPL (whch clj.jdbc is currently not, as far as I can tell): http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php#USEINANOTHER Andy On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Andrey Antukh andrei.anto...@gmail.comwrote: Hi agai Soan. Repeating now: as I said previously, copyright notice of taken code should to be present. And is my mistake from the start not incluide it, I don't have any problem for it. Now I have added a copyright notice. Yo can explain me that is a current legal problem has my library. I would fix it. We are all human here, and we make mistakes. It would be better to help fix it instead attempts to discredit... Andrey. Sent from my Nexus 4 On Nov 20, 2013 3:51 AM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Michael Klishin michael.s.klis...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/20 Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be About license question: if these functions had not copied, but written from scratch, them would be the same functions with minimal differences or none... Sorry but that's a ridiculous argument. You must respect and obey by the license of the project you take code from. Thank you Michael. Any company that uses Andrey's library at this point is immediately in a difficult position from a legal standpoint... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Hi Andy. A lot of thanks for this information. I was also researching on this point. Currently I have removed all taken code from the clojure.java.jdbc, license problem should be solved. Again, I in no way want to belittle the original work. It was big mistake on my part not to mention from start of the project. Andrey 2013/11/20 Andy Fingerhut andy.finger...@gmail.com Andrey: I am no lawyer, but the following answer on this QA page about the Eclipse Public License suggests that if you take code from an EPL-licensed project (which java.jdbc is), then the project in which you include it must also be licensed under the EPL (whch clj.jdbc is currently not, as far as I can tell): http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php#USEINANOTHER Andy On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Andrey Antukh andrei.anto...@gmail.comwrote: Hi agai Soan. Repeating now: as I said previously, copyright notice of taken code should to be present. And is my mistake from the start not incluide it, I don't have any problem for it. Now I have added a copyright notice. Yo can explain me that is a current legal problem has my library. I would fix it. We are all human here, and we make mistakes. It would be better to help fix it instead attempts to discredit... Andrey. Sent from my Nexus 4 On Nov 20, 2013 3:51 AM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Michael Klishin michael.s.klis...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/20 Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be About license question: if these functions had not copied, but written from scratch, them would be the same functions with minimal differences or none... Sorry but that's a ridiculous argument. You must respect and obey by the license of the project you take code from. Thank you Michael. Any company that uses Andrey's library at this point is immediately in a difficult position from a legal standpoint... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Andrey Antukh - Андрей Антух - n...@niwi.be http://www.niwi.be/about.html http://www.kaleidos.net/A5694F/ Linux is for people who hate Windows, BSD is for people who love UNIX Social Engineer - Because there is no patch for human stupidity -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
To Michael: It is fairly up to date - there have only been a few small changes to java.jdbc since the last updates to that part of clojure-doc.org. Now that java.jdbc 0.3.0 has hit beta and has a stable API for release, I feel more comfortable about updating the clojure-doc.org pages to include the handful of changes that are missing. It has been expanded quite a bit from the original version that was part of the clojure.java.jdbc repo. I'm a little disappointed that after moving it to clojure-doc.org specifically to remove the CA barrier to entry, none of java.jdbc's users have taken the time to provide updates to the documentation site. The whole point of moving it to clojure-doc.org was to enable community contribution. To Andrey: I'm a bit disappointed you didn't offer to contribute to java.jdbc's documentation since you found it lacking, and that you didn't raise your concerns about either the documentation or the API with me, rather than creating your own library based on the old API. Open source projects improve through collaboration. That said, there's always room for more libraries and alternative approaches. I'll be a lot happier with java.jdbc when I'm able to strip the old API out after it has been deprecated for a few releases - and I'll point out that the API changes from 0.2.x to 0.3.0 are primarily in response to feedback from Clojure/core. java.jdbc is in fairly heavy production use these days so I'm having to be more conservative about changing it than I would if it were just my project and not a Clojure contrib library :) Sean On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Michael Klishin michael.s.klis...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/16 Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be - Lack of documentation. FTR, there is some documentation for java.jdbc, but it certainly isn't being actively worked on (despite not being covered by the CA) and may already be out of date. http://clojure-doc.org/articles/ecosystem/java_jdbc/home.html If you'd like to contribute: http://github.com/clojuredocs/guides -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be wrote: Additionally I have copied some useful functions like parsing dbspec to URI or a map of protocol-cases and the rest are written from scratch. Looking through the source code, there are quite a few functions copied directly from parts of java.jdbc - even maintaining docstrings, making it clear you copied and pasted them - but I notice that you have not maintained the copyright or license from java.jdbc. Would you like to explain why you have copied open source software without respecting the license and contributors? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Because there is no patch for human stupidity? On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be wrote: Additionally I have copied some useful functions like parsing dbspec to URI or a map of protocol-cases and the rest are written from scratch. Looking through the source code, there are quite a few functions copied directly from parts of java.jdbc - even maintaining docstrings, making it clear you copied and pasted them - but I notice that you have not maintained the copyright or license from java.jdbc. Would you like to explain why you have copied open source software without respecting the license and contributors? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
You have the typical profile of people who do not understand open source. To you, open source is the same thing has a side hobby, ... with lack of commitment and seriousness. How do you expect open source software quality to improve if each of us starts to spin off our own flavor of the same lib ? How is this a constructive cooperating effort ? How can open source software be used in production in this context ? Some people are using this stuff to build serious solutions to hard problems. I will not even rant about copying without the copyright. It's the overall lack of logic and self centric egoism that you exhibit that makes me rant. You should apply the maxim you have thrown in this thread to yourself. You are much more representative of it than anyone else I saw on this mailing list in 5 years. Punk. Luc P. Because there is no patch for human stupidity? On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be wrote: Additionally I have copied some useful functions like parsing dbspec to URI or a map of protocol-cases and the rest are written from scratch. Looking through the source code, there are quite a few functions copied directly from parts of java.jdbc - even maintaining docstrings, making it clear you copied and pasted them - but I notice that you have not maintained the copyright or license from java.jdbc. Would you like to explain why you have copied open source software without respecting the license and contributors? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Hi Sean. 2013/11/19 Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com To Michael: It is fairly up to date - there have only been a few small changes to java.jdbc since the last updates to that part of clojure-doc.org. Now that java.jdbc 0.3.0 has hit beta and has a stable API for release, I feel more comfortable about updating the clojure-doc.org pages to include the handful of changes that are missing. It has been expanded quite a bit from the original version that was part of the clojure.java.jdbc repo. I'm a little disappointed that after moving it to clojure-doc.org specifically to remove the CA barrier to entry, none of java.jdbc's users have taken the time to provide updates to the documentation site. The whole point of moving it to clojure-doc.org was to enable community contribution. To Andrey: I'm a bit disappointed you didn't offer to contribute to java.jdbc's documentation since you found it lacking, and that you didn't raise your concerns about either the documentation or the API with me, rather than creating your own library based on the old API. Open source projects improve through collaboration. That said, there's always room for more libraries and alternative approaches. I'll be a lot happier with java.jdbc when I'm able to strip the old API out after it has been deprecated for a few releases - and I'll point out that the API changes from 0.2.x to 0.3.0 are primarily in response to feedback from Clojure/core. java.jdbc is in fairly heavy production use these days so I'm having to be more conservative about changing it than I would if it were just my project and not a Clojure contrib library :) I have not proposed the api changes because java.jdbc 0.3 is ready to be released and the probability of include a significant change in the near future, it was very remote. And I was pretty frustrated with the current implementation. Also, I did not want start documenting a library that I do not like how it behaves. On the other hand, if the situation is different, I would love to collaborate and join forces in a single library. About license question: if these functions had not copied, but written from scratch, them would be the same functions with minimal differences or none... You're totally right in that would be nice to put in the documentation that is based in parts of clojure.java.jdbc and I will gladly put it. ;) Andrey -- Andrey Antukh - Андрей Антух - n...@niwi.be http://www.niwi.be/about.html http://www.kaleidos.net/A5694F/ Linux is for people who hate Windows, BSD is for people who love UNIX Social Engineer - Because there is no patch for human stupidity -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Gaz, excuse me if I misunderstood you, I reread your reply and it was not clear to me to whom you were referring in your comment. I still stand by what I said toward the op. Saying that if rewritten the code would be the same as the original is a lame excuse, it's the same as all that internet cheating thing in schools. Unexcusable. Luc P. You have the typical profile of people who do not understand open source. To you, open source is the same thing has a side hobby, ... with lack of commitment and seriousness. How do you expect open source software quality to improve if each of us starts to spin off our own flavor of the same lib ? How is this a constructive cooperating effort ? How can open source software be used in production in this context ? Some people are using this stuff to build serious solutions to hard problems. I will not even rant about copying without the copyright. It's the overall lack of logic and self centric egoism that you exhibit that makes me rant. You should apply the maxim you have thrown in this thread to yourself. You are much more representative of it than anyone else I saw on this mailing list in 5 years. Punk. Luc P. Because there is no patch for human stupidity? On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be wrote: Additionally I have copied some useful functions like parsing dbspec to URI or a map of protocol-cases and the rest are written from scratch. Looking through the source code, there are quite a few functions copied directly from parts of java.jdbc - even maintaining docstrings, making it clear you copied and pasted them - but I notice that you have not maintained the copyright or license from java.jdbc. Would you like to explain why you have copied open source software without respecting the license and contributors? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
2013/11/20 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca How do you expect open source software quality to improve if each of us starts to spin off our own flavor of the same lib ? Sometimes creating a new library is the right thing to do. I'll give you one example. When I started Langohr and Monger in 2011, there were WabbitMQ and congomongo. I could have contributed to both but what I wanted those clients to be was quite far away from their established public API's. In other words, I could improve them only up to a point and probably fail at that since I'm not great at convincing other people their API's need to seriously change. So I did my own thing, which does exactly what I wanted developed and documented up to my standards. Some developers apparently like them, too. In clojure.java.jdbc's case, the development process is just too slow. If you want to contribute anything substantial or incompatible or simply opinionated, chances are, you will have to waste *many* months convincing people, running after people to screen your patches, etc. Or you can take another route: write code, document it, promote your library, without waiting for anybody. And get a great feedback loop for yourself and the rest of the community. Needless to say, if you reuse some code from the original project you should respect the license in give credit when its due. In Monger's case, we've borrowed one function which was subsequently slightly modified and we still have a mention for that [1]. 1. https://github.com/michaelklishin/monger/blob/master/src/clojure/monger/conversion.clj#L1-3 -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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2013/11/20 Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be About license question: if these functions had not copied, but written from scratch, them would be the same functions with minimal differences or none... Sorry but that's a ridiculous argument. You must respect and obey by the license of the project you take code from. -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Whoops, sorry looks like my intended light-hearted sarcasm based on one of the email signatures in the thread got mis-interpreted. Hard to express in an email, perhaps a cheeky :P after would have let you know I wasn't being particularly serious! No offense intended, or taken :) On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.cawrote: Gaz, excuse me if I misunderstood you, I reread your reply and it was not clear to me to whom you were referring in your comment. I still stand by what I said toward the op. Saying that if rewritten the code would be the same as the original is a lame excuse, it's the same as all that internet cheating thing in schools. Unexcusable. Luc P. You have the typical profile of people who do not understand open source. To you, open source is the same thing has a side hobby, ... with lack of commitment and seriousness. How do you expect open source software quality to improve if each of us starts to spin off our own flavor of the same lib ? How is this a constructive cooperating effort ? How can open source software be used in production in this context ? Some people are using this stuff to build serious solutions to hard problems. I will not even rant about copying without the copyright. It's the overall lack of logic and self centric egoism that you exhibit that makes me rant. You should apply the maxim you have thrown in this thread to yourself. You are much more representative of it than anyone else I saw on this mailing list in 5 years. Punk. Luc P. Because there is no patch for human stupidity? On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be wrote: Additionally I have copied some useful functions like parsing dbspec to URI or a map of protocol-cases and the rest are written from scratch. Looking through the source code, there are quite a few functions copied directly from parts of java.jdbc - even maintaining docstrings, making it clear you copied and pasted them - but I notice that you have not maintained the copyright or license from java.jdbc. Would you like to explain why you have copied open source software without respecting the license and contributors? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by
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Is not an excuse, is only a opinion, nothing more. This opinion can not change that, mention the original author is right and I've done it. I have no way intend to belittle anyone. ;) Andrey 2013/11/19 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca Gaz, excuse me if I misunderstood you, I reread your reply and it was not clear to me to whom you were referring in your comment. I still stand by what I said toward the op. Saying that if rewritten the code would be the same as the original is a lame excuse, it's the same as all that internet cheating thing in schools. Unexcusable. Luc P. You have the typical profile of people who do not understand open source. To you, open source is the same thing has a side hobby, ... with lack of commitment and seriousness. How do you expect open source software quality to improve if each of us starts to spin off our own flavor of the same lib ? How is this a constructive cooperating effort ? How can open source software be used in production in this context ? Some people are using this stuff to build serious solutions to hard problems. I will not even rant about copying without the copyright. It's the overall lack of logic and self centric egoism that you exhibit that makes me rant. You should apply the maxim you have thrown in this thread to yourself. You are much more representative of it than anyone else I saw on this mailing list in 5 years. Punk. Luc P. Because there is no patch for human stupidity? On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be wrote: Additionally I have copied some useful functions like parsing dbspec to URI or a map of protocol-cases and the rest are written from scratch. Looking through the source code, there are quite a few functions copied directly from parts of java.jdbc - even maintaining docstrings, making it clear you copied and pasted them - but I notice that you have not maintained the copyright or license from java.jdbc. Would you like to explain why you have copied open source software without respecting the license and contributors? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Sean, for what it's worth many of us do appreciate the slow and careful development of java.jdbc. When it's used so widely in production code frequent breaking changes are very costly. The new 0.3.0 API is pretty nice, though I have found documentation for it somewhat lacking. That said, I haven't found time to contribute to it either. Perhaps this thread isn't the right place, but I am curious about the rational and plans for the sql namespace. Is this going to be fleshed out to be more fully featured over time? Why choose to integrate it rather than have it as a separate add-on? Thanks for the work on jdbc. :-) Alex On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:28:16 PM UTC-5, Sean Corfield wrote: To Michael: It is fairly up to date - there have only been a few small changes to java.jdbc since the last updates to that part of clojure-doc.org. Now that java.jdbc 0.3.0 has hit beta and has a stable API for release, I feel more comfortable about updating the clojure-doc.org pages to include the handful of changes that are missing. It has been expanded quite a bit from the original version that was part of the clojure.java.jdbc repo. I'm a little disappointed that after moving it to clojure-doc.org specifically to remove the CA barrier to entry, none of java.jdbc's users have taken the time to provide updates to the documentation site. The whole point of moving it to clojure-doc.org was to enable community contribution. To Andrey: I'm a bit disappointed you didn't offer to contribute to java.jdbc's documentation since you found it lacking, and that you didn't raise your concerns about either the documentation or the API with me, rather than creating your own library based on the old API. Open source projects improve through collaboration. That said, there's always room for more libraries and alternative approaches. I'll be a lot happier with java.jdbc when I'm able to strip the old API out after it has been deprecated for a few releases - and I'll point out that the API changes from 0.2.x to 0.3.0 are primarily in response to feedback from Clojure/core. java.jdbc is in fairly heavy production use these days so I'm having to be more conservative about changing it than I would if it were just my project and not a Clojure contrib library :) Sean On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Michael Klishin michael@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 2013/11/16 Andrey Antukh ni...@niwi.be javascript: - Lack of documentation. FTR, there is some documentation for java.jdbc, but it certainly isn't being actively worked on (despite not being covered by the CA) and may already be out of date. http://clojure-doc.org/articles/ecosystem/java_jdbc/home.html If you'd like to contribute: http://github.com/clojuredocs/guides -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.comjavascript: Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com javascript: For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
I'll address the java.jdbc.sql question in a separate thread (I've actually addressed it before so I'll search the archives and elaborate on my previous responses). Give me an hour or so... On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Alexander Hudek a...@diligenceengine.com wrote: Sean, for what it's worth many of us do appreciate the slow and careful development of java.jdbc. When it's used so widely in production code frequent breaking changes are very costly. The new 0.3.0 API is pretty nice, though I have found documentation for it somewhat lacking. That said, I haven't found time to contribute to it either. Perhaps this thread isn't the right place, but I am curious about the rational and plans for the sql namespace. Is this going to be fleshed out to be more fully featured over time? Why choose to integrate it rather than have it as a separate add-on? Thanks for the work on jdbc. :-) Alex On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:28:16 PM UTC-5, Sean Corfield wrote: To Michael: It is fairly up to date - there have only been a few small changes to java.jdbc since the last updates to that part of clojure-doc.org. Now that java.jdbc 0.3.0 has hit beta and has a stable API for release, I feel more comfortable about updating the clojure-doc.org pages to include the handful of changes that are missing. It has been expanded quite a bit from the original version that was part of the clojure.java.jdbc repo. I'm a little disappointed that after moving it to clojure-doc.org specifically to remove the CA barrier to entry, none of java.jdbc's users have taken the time to provide updates to the documentation site. The whole point of moving it to clojure-doc.org was to enable community contribution. To Andrey: I'm a bit disappointed you didn't offer to contribute to java.jdbc's documentation since you found it lacking, and that you didn't raise your concerns about either the documentation or the API with me, rather than creating your own library based on the old API. Open source projects improve through collaboration. That said, there's always room for more libraries and alternative approaches. I'll be a lot happier with java.jdbc when I'm able to strip the old API out after it has been deprecated for a few releases - and I'll point out that the API changes from 0.2.x to 0.3.0 are primarily in response to feedback from Clojure/core. java.jdbc is in fairly heavy production use these days so I'm having to be more conservative about changing it than I would if it were just my project and not a Clojure contrib library :) Sean On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Michael Klishin michael@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/16 Andrey Antukh ni...@niwi.be - Lack of documentation. FTR, there is some documentation for java.jdbc, but it certainly isn't being actively worked on (despite not being covered by the CA) and may already be out of date. http://clojure-doc.org/articles/ecosystem/java_jdbc/home.html If you'd like to contribute: http://github.com/clojuredocs/guides -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert,
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Michael Klishin michael.s.klis...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/20 Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be About license question: if these functions had not copied, but written from scratch, them would be the same functions with minimal differences or none... Sorry but that's a ridiculous argument. You must respect and obey by the license of the project you take code from. Thank you Michael. Any company that uses Andrey's library at this point is immediately in a difficult position from a legal standpoint... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Hi agai Soan. Repeating now: as I said previously, copyright notice of taken code should to be present. And is my mistake from the start not incluide it, I don't have any problem for it. Now I have added a copyright notice. Yo can explain me that is a current legal problem has my library. I would fix it. We are all human here, and we make mistakes. It would be better to help fix it instead attempts to discredit... Andrey. Sent from my Nexus 4 On Nov 20, 2013 3:51 AM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Michael Klishin michael.s.klis...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/20 Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be About license question: if these functions had not copied, but written from scratch, them would be the same functions with minimal differences or none... Sorry but that's a ridiculous argument. You must respect and obey by the license of the project you take code from. Thank you Michael. Any company that uses Andrey's library at this point is immediately in a difficult position from a legal standpoint... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Hi Zach! It is not based on any concrete version (is not a fork). Casually, it has similarities with java.jdbc 0.2.x because uses same name for some functions (in my opinion 0.2 version has better api than 0.3). Additionally I have copied some useful functions like parsing dbspec to URI or a map of protocol-cases and the rest are written from scratch. Furthermore, a new version of java.jdbc (0.3.x), introduces a lot of complexity to code in comparison to 0.2 and base it on the new version would be a mistake. In any case, as I said previously, clj.jdbc is not based in any concrete version of java.jdbc. You can read more about it on faq section of clj.jdbc http://cljjdbc.readthedocs.org/en/latest/faq.html#why-one-other-jdbc-wrapper that explains a main differences with a current version of java.jdbc (0.3) In respect to jdk7, personally I don't know if clj.jdbc works with jdk6 because I only working with jdk7. But, any compatibility fixes for jdk6 are welcome! 2013/11/17 Zach Oakes zsoa...@gmail.com Andrey, this looks interesting. It seems to be based on a really old version of clojure.java.jdbc, though. Is there a reason for this? Since it is a fork, it seems like it would be best to base it on a recent version, to aid those who may want to try switching to it. Also, does it require JDK 7 to compile? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:48:03 AM UTC-5, Andrey Antukh wrote: Hi! I have some frustration with current official jdbc wrapper for clojure and I have worked in one alternative mainly because of: - Lack of documentation. - Philosophical differences of how things should be done. Documentation page: http://cljjdbc.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ Github: https://github.com/niwibe/clj.jdbc Any feedback always welcome. Andrey -- Andrey Antukh - Андрей Антух - ni...@niwi.be http://www.niwi.be/about.html http://www.kaleidos.net/A5694F/ Linux is for people who hate Windows, BSD is for people who love UNIX Social Engineer - Because there is no patch for human stupidity -- Andrey Antukh - Андрей Антух - n...@niwi.be http://www.niwi.be/about.html http://www.kaleidos.net/A5694F/ Linux is for people who hate Windows, BSD is for people who love UNIX Social Engineer - Because there is no patch for human stupidity -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Hi! I have some frustration with current official jdbc wrapper for clojure and I have worked in one alternative mainly because of: - Lack of documentation. - Philosophical differences of how things should be done. Documentation page: http://cljjdbc.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ Github: https://github.com/niwibe/clj.jdbc Any feedback always welcome. Andrey -- Andrey Antukh - Андрей Антух - n...@niwi.be http://www.niwi.be/about.html http://www.kaleidos.net/A5694F/ Linux is for people who hate Windows, BSD is for people who love UNIX Social Engineer - Because there is no patch for human stupidity -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
2013/11/16 Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be - Lack of documentation. - Philosophical differences of how things should be done. Documentation page: http://cljjdbc.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ + ridiculous Clojure CA that keeps non-North America/EU contributors away. Good job, Andrey. It's important to have more than 1 option for every problem and clojure.java.jdbc could certainly use some well documented, contributor friendly competition. -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:11:05 AM UTC-8, Michael Klishin wrote: + ridiculous Clojure CA that keeps non-North America/EU contributors away. What is this? A link will do, if this has been discussed previously. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
2013/11/16 Brian Craft craft.br...@gmail.com What is this? A link will do, if this has been discussed previously. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/clojure/CA$20/clojure/FlwqULYM7n0/x1-ArtQe1isJ https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clojure/0gwjKtatf-0/discussion -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
2013/11/16 Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be - Lack of documentation. FTR, there is some documentation for java.jdbc, but it certainly isn't being actively worked on (despite not being covered by the CA) and may already be out of date. http://clojure-doc.org/articles/ecosystem/java_jdbc/home.html If you'd like to contribute: http://github.com/clojuredocs/guides -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
2013/11/16 Michael Klishin michael.s.klis...@gmail.com 2013/11/16 Andrey Antukh n...@niwi.be - Lack of documentation. FTR, there is some documentation for java.jdbc, but it certainly isn't being actively worked on (despite not being covered by the CA) and may already be out of date. http://clojure-doc.org/articles/ecosystem/java_jdbc/home.html Thanks! I know about existence of it! Is totally outdated with current version of java.jdbc and incomplete ;) Andrey -- Andrey Antukh - Андрей Антух - n...@niwi.be http://www.niwi.be/about.html http://www.kaleidos.net/A5694F/ Linux is for people who hate Windows, BSD is for people who love UNIX Social Engineer - Because there is no patch for human stupidity -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN]: clj.jdbc 0.1-beta1 - Alternative implementation of jdbc wrapper for clojure.
Andrey, this looks interesting. It seems to be based on a really old version of clojure.java.jdbc, though. Is there a reason for this? Since it is a fork, it seems like it would be best to base it on a recent version, to aid those who may want to try switching to it. Also, does it require JDK 7 to compile? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:48:03 AM UTC-5, Andrey Antukh wrote: Hi! I have some frustration with current official jdbc wrapper for clojure and I have worked in one alternative mainly because of: - Lack of documentation. - Philosophical differences of how things should be done. Documentation page: http://cljjdbc.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ Github: https://github.com/niwibe/clj.jdbc Any feedback always welcome. Andrey -- Andrey Antukh - Андрей Антух - ni...@niwi.be javascript: http://www.niwi.be/about.html http://www.kaleidos.net/A5694F/ Linux is for people who hate Windows, BSD is for people who love UNIX Social Engineer - Because there is no patch for human stupidity -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
