Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-18 Thread Alex Miller

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 3:37 AM, Isaac Tsang  wrote:
> 
> can `clj` AOT automatically, and then cache it (save to some directory).
> some dependencies need very long time for `require`

Not yet. :) We are working on something along these lines.

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-18 Thread Isaac Tsang
can `clj` AOT automatically, and then cache it (save to some directory).
some dependencies need very long time for `require`

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 2:49:15 AM UTC+8, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> Pleased to announce some new functionality for clj and tools.deps!
>
> https://clojure.org/news/2018/01/05/git-deps
>
> Additionally, there have been new releases of:
> - Brew clojure formula (to get it: brew upgrade clojure)
> - Linux clojure installer (see https://clojure.org/guides/getting_started 
> for info)
> - tools.deps.alpha 
> - NEW tools.gitlibs 
>
> Other than git deps, "clj -Spom" for pom generation has some fixes and an 
> addition to add Maven repositories if needed.
>

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-15 Thread Kurt Harriger

>
>
>  
>
>> I’d really like a dependency system that makes each dep’s transitive 
>> dependencies only visible to itself, so there would never be any reason to 
>> resolve dependencies.
>>
>
> You need classloader support for this and indeed this is what OSGi and 
> some early versions of the Java module system do. Working in that kind of 
> environment is very constraining. A lot of discipline is required with 
> respect to your interfaces between loaders and in general I think it's way 
> too much of a burden to use as the normal operating mode (which is one 
> reason you don't see it in the Java module system of java 9). It is a good 
> option for systems where you want users to plug in functionality and the 
> scope of those interface points is small and highly controlled.
>

I have run into incompatible transitive dependencies a lot throughout my 
career.  In many cases its not that big a deal but for cross cutting 
libraries such as data serialization etc it can be hard to get all of your 
dependencies to agree on a common version.  Here is a concrete example I 
ran into just today: https://github.com/thheller/shadow-cljs/issues/177 and 
the library that caused the issue is non-other than core.async!

I second the idea of private dependencies.  I have had the displeasure of 
working with OSGI and I think the reason its complex is not so much because 
the required metadata is hard to figure out... the complexity mostly comes  
from the starting, stopping and restarting bundles within a running jvm in 
non deterministic order.  

Another issue is that the dependency metadata needs to be included within 
each jar and since most library authors don't see the value of OSGI they 
don't provide it to users to rebundle the jar with the required metatata. 
This problem is similar to that of cljsjs, most javascript devs do not see 
any value in any significant value is using closure compile over uglyify 
(myself included as externs are a pain to maintain, minified stacktraces 
are useless, and errors are subtle and hard to debug), but the 
clojurescript community does see value in this so they do their best to 
maintain this metadata even if it means rebuilding projects. 

So what is the alternatives:  
1. Don't upgrade (common solution when there are breaking changes)
2. Try to get upstream maintainer to upgrade (most common when changes are 
not breaking and/or maintainer willing to do the work)
3. Fork the upstream project and maintain your own release using the 
desired version
4. Split your app into multiple pieces so they can run in different JVM 
instances (enter the microservice)

I think the idea that everything can use the same version is oversimplified 
and creating microservice shouldn't be necessary just because you can't get 
all your dependencies to agree.

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-09 Thread Alex Miller
Yeah, we didn't love doing it, but that's why tools.deps.alpha is still 
alpha. Given that no one is using it yet, it seemed like the most expedient 
solution. Over time, we will work harder to avoid things like that.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 9:47:15 PM UTC-6, Bobby Eickhoff wrote:
>
> I find it somewhat ironic given all of the recent discussion of growth vs. 
> breakage in the world of Clojure that this latest release of clojure tools 
> -- if I understand correctly -- includes, as advertised above, a breaking 
> change.  :-P
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
>>
>> There is a new version of clojure tools available (1.9.0.302) that 
>> changes the attributes for git coordinates:
>>
>> :rev - removed attribute
>> :sha - new required attribute, full sha strongly encouraged (prefix sha 
>> support may be removed)
>> :tag - new optional attribute, should match the sha (not used by 
>> tools.deps.alpha)
>>
>> This release also fixes the XML warning under JDK 9 for -Spom.
>>
>> If you are listing git coordinate information in your README, we would 
>> strongly encourage publishing a full :sha (40 chars) example.
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 12:49:15 PM UTC-6, Alex Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> Pleased to announce some new functionality for clj and tools.deps!
>>>
>>> https://clojure.org/news/2018/01/05/git-deps
>>>
>>> Additionally, there have been new releases of:
>>> - Brew clojure formula (to get it: brew upgrade clojure)
>>> - Linux clojure installer (see 
>>> https://clojure.org/guides/getting_started for info)
>>> - tools.deps.alpha 
>>> - NEW tools.gitlibs 
>>>
>>> Other than git deps, "clj -Spom" for pom generation has some fixes and 
>>> an addition to add Maven repositories if needed.
>>>
>>

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-09 Thread Bobby Eickhoff
I find it somewhat ironic given all of the recent discussion of growth vs. 
breakage in the world of Clojure that this latest release of clojure tools 
-- if I understand correctly -- includes, as advertised above, a breaking 
change.  :-P

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> There is a new version of clojure tools available (1.9.0.302) that changes 
> the attributes for git coordinates:
>
> :rev - removed attribute
> :sha - new required attribute, full sha strongly encouraged (prefix sha 
> support may be removed)
> :tag - new optional attribute, should match the sha (not used by 
> tools.deps.alpha)
>
> This release also fixes the XML warning under JDK 9 for -Spom.
>
> If you are listing git coordinate information in your README, we would 
> strongly encourage publishing a full :sha (40 chars) example.
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 12:49:15 PM UTC-6, Alex Miller wrote:
>>
>> Pleased to announce some new functionality for clj and tools.deps!
>>
>> https://clojure.org/news/2018/01/05/git-deps
>>
>> Additionally, there have been new releases of:
>> - Brew clojure formula (to get it: brew upgrade clojure)
>> - Linux clojure installer (see https://clojure.org/guides/getting_started 
>> for info)
>> - tools.deps.alpha 
>> - NEW tools.gitlibs 
>>
>> Other than git deps, "clj -Spom" for pom generation has some fixes and an 
>> addition to add Maven repositories if needed.
>>
>

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-09 Thread Alex Miller
There is a new version of clojure tools available (1.9.0.302) that changes 
the attributes for git coordinates:

:rev - removed attribute
:sha - new required attribute, full sha strongly encouraged (prefix sha 
support may be removed)
:tag - new optional attribute, should match the sha (not used by 
tools.deps.alpha)

This release also fixes the XML warning under JDK 9 for -Spom.

If you are listing git coordinate information in your README, we would 
strongly encourage publishing a full :sha (40 chars) example.

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 12:49:15 PM UTC-6, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> Pleased to announce some new functionality for clj and tools.deps!
>
> https://clojure.org/news/2018/01/05/git-deps
>
> Additionally, there have been new releases of:
> - Brew clojure formula (to get it: brew upgrade clojure)
> - Linux clojure installer (see https://clojure.org/guides/getting_started 
> for info)
> - tools.deps.alpha 
> - NEW tools.gitlibs 
>
> Other than git deps, "clj -Spom" for pom generation has some fixes and an 
> addition to add Maven repositories if needed.
>

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-08 Thread Alex Miller

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 2:47:23 AM UTC-6, Gary Verhaegen wrote:
>
> Have you considered adding an equivalent to lein’s pedantic option, i.e. 
> an option that would die on ambiguous versions rather than make a choice, 
> thereby forcing users to make that choice explicit as a top-level entry? 
> (Or through exclusions etc.)
>

Eventually, maybe. I don't see that ever being the default though.
 

> As an aside, is it even possible on the JVM to have multiple versions of a 
> dependency loaded? Wouldn’t the last version loaded override all the common 
> classes, leaving you with a sort of hybrid that doesn’t correspond to any 
> single version? 
>

Actually the way things work the *first* version on the classpath is the 
one that will be used. Having more than one version of the same lib on the 
classpath is almost certainly a bug, not a feature.
 

> I’d really like a dependency system that makes each dep’s transitive 
> dependencies only visible to itself, so there would never be any reason to 
> resolve dependencies.
>

You need classloader support for this and indeed this is what OSGi and some 
early versions of the Java module system do. Working in that kind of 
environment is very constraining. A lot of discipline is required with 
respect to your interfaces between loaders and in general I think it's way 
too much of a burden to use as the normal operating mode (which is one 
reason you don't see it in the Java module system of java 9). It is a good 
option for systems where you want users to plug in functionality and the 
scope of those interface points is small and highly controlled.
 

> Also, how realistic do you think it is today to expect all of our 
> transitive dependencies to be developed according to that growth mindset 
> you mention? It’s one thing to adopt it in my code, but quite another to 
> assume it’s followed correctly by all of the underlying Java libs.
>

I think it's unrealistic, but you already live fully in that world. mvn, 
lein, boot, gradle, sbt, ivy etc - all dependency resolvers in the Java 
ecosystem already do exactly what I've described above with choosing Java 
dependencies. Ususally it works, sometimes it fails and manual nastiness is 
required to resolve the issues. The "growth not breakage" mindset is the 
way *out* of that problem - where to start if not in our own code?

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-08 Thread Nathan Fisher
You could do it by “rooting” the package (aka change the package path).
Most JVM languages root their dependencies to avoid collisions with user
space dependencies. ASM is the most common Clojure does and I think Kotlin
and Scala do as well. I think Guavas murmur3 is rooted in Clojure as well
for the maps.
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 at 05:47, Gary Verhaegen 
wrote:

> Have you considered adding an equivalent to lein’s pedantic option, i.e.
> an option that would die on ambiguous versions rather than make a choice,
> thereby forcing users to make that choice explicit as a top-level entry?
> (Or through exclusions etc.)
>
> As an aside, is it even possible on the JVM to have multiple versions of a
> dependency loaded? Wouldn’t the last version loaded override all the common
> classes, leaving you with a sort of hybrid that doesn’t correspond to any
> single version? I’d really like a dependency system that makes each dep’s
> transitive dependencies only visible to itself, so there would never be any
> reason to resolve dependencies.
>
> Also, how realistic do you think it is today to expect all of our
> transitive dependencies to be developed according to that growth mindset
> you mention? It’s one thing to adopt it in my code, but quite another to
> assume it’s followed correctly by all of the underlying Java libs.
>
> On 8 Jan 2018, at 01:24, Alex Miller  wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Fisher 
> wrote:
>
>
>> I strongly agree with your decision of “pick the latest”. While I do
>> understand multiple active versions can make it easier for a developer I
>> don’t think that’s the “right” decision. Besides I can only imagine how
>> much of a pain it would be to implement reliably. I’d expect if I specify a
>> patched version of struts that a transitive dependency wouldn’t have the
>> ability to override that for its own purpose.
>>
>
> I guess I didn't mention that top-level deps always win, so if desired you
> are always able to decide the specific version in your project.
>
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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-08 Thread Gary Verhaegen
Have you considered adding an equivalent to lein’s pedantic option, i.e. an 
option that would die on ambiguous versions rather than make a choice, thereby 
forcing users to make that choice explicit as a top-level entry? (Or through 
exclusions etc.)

As an aside, is it even possible on the JVM to have multiple versions of a 
dependency loaded? Wouldn’t the last version loaded override all the common 
classes, leaving you with a sort of hybrid that doesn’t correspond to any 
single version? I’d really like a dependency system that makes each dep’s 
transitive dependencies only visible to itself, so there would never be any 
reason to resolve dependencies.

Also, how realistic do you think it is today to expect all of our transitive 
dependencies to be developed according to that growth mindset you mention? It’s 
one thing to adopt it in my code, but quite another to assume it’s followed 
correctly by all of the underlying Java libs.

> On 8 Jan 2018, at 01:24, Alex Miller  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Fisher  wrote:
>>  
>> I strongly agree with your decision of “pick the latest”. While I do 
>> understand multiple active versions can make it easier for a developer I 
>> don’t think that’s the “right” decision. Besides I can only imagine how much 
>> of a pain it would be to implement reliably. I’d expect if I specify a 
>> patched version of struts that a transitive dependency wouldn’t have the 
>> ability to override that for its own purpose.
> 
> I guess I didn't mention that top-level deps always win, so if desired you 
> are always able to decide the specific version in your project.
> 
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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-07 Thread Alex Miller
On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Fisher 
wrote:


> I strongly agree with your decision of “pick the latest”. While I do
> understand multiple active versions can make it easier for a developer I
> don’t think that’s the “right” decision. Besides I can only imagine how
> much of a pain it would be to implement reliably. I’d expect if I specify a
> patched version of struts that a transitive dependency wouldn’t have the
> ability to override that for its own purpose.
>

I guess I didn't mention that top-level deps always win, so if desired you
are always able to decide the specific version in your project.

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-07 Thread Nathan Fisher
Hi Alex,

Sounds great!

I strongly agree with your decision of “pick the latest”. While I do
understand multiple active versions can make it easier for a developer I
don’t think that’s the “right” decision. Besides I can only imagine how
much of a pain it would be to implement reliably. I’d expect if I specify a
patched version of struts that a transitive dependency wouldn’t have the
ability to override that for its own purpose.

Cheers,
Nathan

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 at 20:51, Alex Miller  wrote:

>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 3:41:34 PM UTC-6, Nathan Fisher wrote:
>>
>>
>> Not sure I would want to see duplicates either. If my code breaks because
>> of an old dependency I’d rather that than make the false assumption that
>> I’m running securely with the latest version of a lib.
>>
>
> Encountering duplicate libs in the transitive tree is common to almost
> every dependency trees (for example, it's typical to see multiple versions
> of Clojure as a dependency in *every* transitive tree). clj, like every
> other dependency tool, will continue to make choices about which version to
> include and tools to control which one is included.
>
> I do plan to add better tools to understand the tree and the choices made.
>
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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-07 Thread Alex Miller


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 5:45:22 PM UTC-6, Alan Thompson wrote:
>
> Hey - I love the idea.  However, I'm getting an error message trying to 
> run the example:
>
> ~/work/fred > cat deps.edn 
> {:deps
>  {github-clj-time/clj-time
>   {:git/url "https://github.com/clj-time/clj-time; :rev "cce58248"}}
> } 
> 
>
> ~/work/fred > clj
> Error building classpath. Manifest type :lein not loaded when finding deps 
> for github-clj-time/clj-time in coordinate {:git/url "
> https://github.com/clj-time/clj-time;, :rev 
> "cce58248937bc05452ebfc8b65134961227a554e", *:deps/manifest :lein*, 
> :deps/root 
> "/home/alan/.gitlibs/libs/github-clj-time/clj-time/cce58248937bc05452ebfc8b65134961227a554e"}
>
>
>
Once a dependency has been downloaded, deps must read a project manifest to 
understand its dependencies. Currently, only deps.edn manifests are 
supported. It's currently autodetecting the lein project.clj but does not 
have a reader for it. I have already changed the error handling here so 
this presents differently, but that has not yet been released. Eventually I 
expect we will have readers for poms and project.clj files, etc.

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-07 Thread Alex Miller

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 3:41:34 PM UTC-6, Nathan Fisher wrote:
>
>
> Not sure I would want to see duplicates either. If my code breaks because 
> of an old dependency I’d rather that than make the false assumption that 
> I’m running securely with the latest version of a lib.
>

Encountering duplicate libs in the transitive tree is common to almost 
every dependency trees (for example, it's typical to see multiple versions 
of Clojure as a dependency in *every* transitive tree). clj, like every 
other dependency tool, will continue to make choices about which version to 
include and tools to control which one is included.

I do plan to add better tools to understand the tree and the choices made.

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-07 Thread Alan Thompson
Hey - I love the idea.  However, I'm getting an error message trying to run
the example:

~/work/fred > cat deps.edn
{:deps
 {github-clj-time/clj-time
  {:git/url "https://github.com/clj-time/clj-time; :rev "cce58248"}}
}


~/work/fred > clj
Error building classpath. Manifest type :lein not loaded when finding deps
for github-clj-time/clj-time in coordinate {:git/url "
https://github.com/clj-time/clj-time;, :rev
"cce58248937bc05452ebfc8b65134961227a554e", *:deps/manifest :lein*,
:deps/root
"/home/alan/.gitlibs/libs/github-clj-time/clj-time/cce58248937bc05452ebfc8b65134961227a554e"}


​Any pointers on where I'm going wrong?
Alan


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> override the location of where they’re placed. I actually commit my deps to
> SCM for production code. The internet is fast enough these days that i
> don’t care about a common code cache. I’m more interested in a reproducible
> build.
>
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 at 11:25, Alex Miller  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Khalid Jebbari 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Great news, great work ! Soon running Clojure will be dead easy.
>> >
>> > 2 questions :
>> > - where do dependencies get downloaded ? `~/.m2` ? It depends on the
>> procurer (mvn/git/etc.)
>>
>> It depends. Maven deps go to .m2, git deps go to .gitlibs.
>>
>> > - does it work for Cljs ? What does it mean for Cljs ?
>>
>> This is targeted at launching Clojure programs. ClojureScript itself is a
>> Clojure program, so it’s relevant in that sense.
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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-07 Thread Alex Miller

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 2:37:33 PM UTC-6, Daniel Compton wrote:
>
> > git deps go to .gitlibs.
>
> Would you consider not putting them in the root of the user's home 
> directory? All the major OS's (and probably the minor ones too) have 
> dedicated folders to put caches. I've opened 
> https://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TDEPS-30 with more details on this.
>
>
Will continue discussion on ticket rather than here...

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-07 Thread Nathan Fisher
Im probably not typical for this but I really value the ability to override
the location of where they’re placed. I actually commit my deps to SCM for
production code. The internet is fast enough these days that i don’t care
about a common code cache. I’m more interested in a reproducible build.

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>
> > On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Khalid Jebbari 
> wrote:
> >
> > Great news, great work ! Soon running Clojure will be dead easy.
> >
> > 2 questions :
> > - where do dependencies get downloaded ? `~/.m2` ? It depends on the
> procurer (mvn/git/etc.)
>
> It depends. Maven deps go to .m2, git deps go to .gitlibs.
>
> > - does it work for Cljs ? What does it mean for Cljs ?
>
> This is targeted at launching Clojure programs. ClojureScript itself is a
> Clojure program, so it’s relevant in that sense.
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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-07 Thread Nathan Fisher
Great work Alex!

Not sure I would want to see duplicates either. If my code breaks because
of an old dependency I’d rather that than make the false assumption that
I’m running securely with the latest version of a lib.

On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 at 16:20, Gary Trakhman  wrote:

> Congrats on the release! It's exciting to see this vision move forward.
> Wondering if the logical next step is the npm style of trees of duplicate
> transitive git deps.  In general, how is this going to work for transitive
> deps?
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:49 PM Alex Miller  wrote:
>
>> Pleased to announce some new functionality for clj and tools.deps!
>>
>> https://clojure.org/news/2018/01/05/git-deps
>>
>> Additionally, there have been new releases of:
>> - Brew clojure formula (to get it: brew upgrade clojure)
>> - Linux clojure installer (see https://clojure.org/guides/getting_started
>> for info)
>> - tools.deps.alpha 
>> - NEW tools.gitlibs 
>>
>> Other than git deps, "clj -Spom" for pom generation has some fixes and an
>> addition to add Maven repositories if needed.
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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-07 Thread Daniel Compton
> git deps go to .gitlibs.

Would you consider not putting them in the root of the user's home
directory? All the major OS's (and probably the minor ones too) have
dedicated folders to put caches. I've opened
https://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/TDEPS-30 with more details on this.

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>
> > On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Khalid Jebbari 
> wrote:
> >
> > Great news, great work ! Soon running Clojure will be dead easy.
> >
> > 2 questions :
> > - where do dependencies get downloaded ? `~/.m2` ? It depends on the
> procurer (mvn/git/etc.)
>
> It depends. Maven deps go to .m2, git deps go to .gitlibs.
>
> > - does it work for Cljs ? What does it mean for Cljs ?
>
> This is targeted at launching Clojure programs. ClojureScript itself is a
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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-06 Thread Alex Miller


> On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Khalid Jebbari  wrote:
> 
> Great news, great work ! Soon running Clojure will be dead easy.
> 
> 2 questions :
> - where do dependencies get downloaded ? `~/.m2` ? It depends on the procurer 
> (mvn/git/etc.)

It depends. Maven deps go to .m2, git deps go to .gitlibs.

> - does it work for Cljs ? What does it mean for Cljs ?

This is targeted at launching Clojure programs. ClojureScript itself is a 
Clojure program, so it’s relevant in that sense.

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-06 Thread Khalid Jebbari
Great news, great work ! Soon running Clojure will be dead easy.

2 questions :
- where do dependencies get downloaded ? `~/.m2` ? It depends on the procurer 
(mvn/git/etc.)
- does it work for Cljs ? What does it mean for Cljs ?

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-05 Thread Alex Miller

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 2:08:50 PM UTC-6, Gary Trakhman wrote:
>
> Specifically, I'm asking about how to resolve duplicate transitive 
> dependencies to actual code, possibly referring to the same lib repo at 
> different git hashes, or different git repos.
>

Ah, good question. The answer is that you need some way to detect version 
differences and resolve them. Fortunately, this is the identical problem 
you have in Maven and the solution is effectively the same - pick the newer 
one. In a git context this means "the commit that has the other as an 
ancestor". With a growth mindset 
, this is a safe choice. If 
two versions do not share a ancestor/descendant lineage, then your build is 
broken and you will be required to fix it.
 

> I think you answered, 'how do you get a single graph of deps nodes given 
> different kinds of deps'?
>
> For example:
> A->B->C#some_tag
> A->D->C#other_tag
>
> So, assuming you use a lot of git deps, which I think is the long-term 
> intent here based on the messaging, resolving those pointers to actual 
> loaded code is a potential problem that needs to be addressed somehow.  I 
> mentioned one way, which is to have multiple copies of a lib loaded 
> automatically.
>

Not doing that.
 

>
> From what I can tell so far, it seems like you can override a dep's 
> specific transitive deps, but that sounds painful when scaled out over 
> number of deps and how many more commit hashes exist than maven release 
> tags for each lib.
>

Either the descendant-most version will be chosen or your deps are broken 
and will fail to compute a classpath.

Additionally, most Maven artifacts (certainly most in Maven central or 
clojars) contain SCM metadata about the git url and rev that they 
represent. This gives us the ability to compare git deps with Maven deps 
(via their git rev) and apply the same logic. Not yet done, but coming 
soon...
 

> Another way to do it might be to make the git repo url+branch itself could 
> be part of the namespace var mapping, but that seems far off based on the 
> way clojure namespaces currently work, and doesn't cover the common case 
> (at least it's what we're used to with maven) of just resolving a single 
> version for each dep.
>
> Is there some existing design thought along these lines that I've missed?
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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-05 Thread Gary Trakhman
Specifically, I'm asking about how to resolve duplicate transitive
dependencies to actual code, possibly referring to the same lib repo at
different git hashes, or different git repos.

I think you answered, 'how do you get a single graph of deps nodes given
different kinds of deps'?

For example:
A->B->C#some_tag
A->D->C#other_tag

So, assuming you use a lot of git deps, which I think is the long-term
intent here based on the messaging, resolving those pointers to actual
loaded code is a potential problem that needs to be addressed somehow.  I
mentioned one way, which is to have multiple copies of a lib loaded
automatically.

>From what I can tell so far, it seems like you can override a dep's
specific transitive deps, but that sounds painful when scaled out over
number of deps and how many more commit hashes exist than maven release
tags for each lib.

Another way to do it might be to make the git repo url+branch itself could
be part of the namespace var mapping, but that seems far off based on the
way clojure namespaces currently work, and doesn't cover the common case
(at least it's what we're used to with maven) of just resolving a single
version for each dep.

Is there some existing design thought along these lines that I've missed?

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 2:39 PM Alex Miller  wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Gary Trakhman 
> wrote:
>
>> Congrats on the release! It's exciting to see this vision move forward.
>> Wondering if the logical next step is the npm style of trees of duplicate
>> transitive git deps.  In general, how is this going to work for transitive
>> deps?
>>
>
> tools.deps has the ability to read a file-based manifest in a git dep (or
> a local dep) and traverse its transitive dependencies. This works now for
> deps.edn based libraries and can be extended for other manifest types.
>
> I have started work on a pom.xml manifest reader. lein is harder to do
> right, but maybe easy to do badly. :)  There are still some things to work
> out wrt how manifest readers like this are dynamically found and loaded;
> currently they have to be "in the box" but I see that's not the final end
> state.
>
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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-05 Thread Alex Miller
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Gary Trakhman 
wrote:

> Congrats on the release! It's exciting to see this vision move forward.
> Wondering if the logical next step is the npm style of trees of duplicate
> transitive git deps.  In general, how is this going to work for transitive
> deps?
>

tools.deps has the ability to read a file-based manifest in a git dep (or a
local dep) and traverse its transitive dependencies. This works now for
deps.edn based libraries and can be extended for other manifest types.

I have started work on a pom.xml manifest reader. lein is harder to do
right, but maybe easy to do badly. :)  There are still some things to work
out wrt how manifest readers like this are dynamically found and loaded;
currently they have to be "in the box" but I see that's not the final end
state.

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Re: [ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-05 Thread Gary Trakhman
Congrats on the release! It's exciting to see this vision move forward.
Wondering if the logical next step is the npm style of trees of duplicate
transitive git deps.  In general, how is this going to work for transitive
deps?

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:49 PM Alex Miller  wrote:

> Pleased to announce some new functionality for clj and tools.deps!
>
> https://clojure.org/news/2018/01/05/git-deps
>
> Additionally, there have been new releases of:
> - Brew clojure formula (to get it: brew upgrade clojure)
> - Linux clojure installer (see https://clojure.org/guides/getting_started
> for info)
> - tools.deps.alpha 
> - NEW tools.gitlibs 
>
> Other than git deps, "clj -Spom" for pom generation has some fixes and an
> addition to add Maven repositories if needed.
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[ANN] Git Deps for Clojure!

2018-01-05 Thread Alex Miller
Pleased to announce some new functionality for clj and tools.deps!

https://clojure.org/news/2018/01/05/git-deps

Additionally, there have been new releases of:
- Brew clojure formula (to get it: brew upgrade clojure)
- Linux clojure installer (see https://clojure.org/guides/getting_started 
for info)
- tools.deps.alpha 
- NEW tools.gitlibs 

Other than git deps, "clj -Spom" for pom generation has some fixes and an 
addition to add Maven repositories if needed.

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