new 'Programming at the REPL' guide on clojure.org

[Val Waeselynck]

A new guide on clojure.org, which aims at distilling years of experience 
using Clojure REPLs, for Clojure programmers of any experience level.

https://clojure.org/guides/repl/introduction

Feedback welcome! Thanks very much to everyone who participated in the 
genesis 
<https://clojureverse.org/t/feedback-wanted-draft-of-a-clojure-repl-guide-soon-to-be-submitted-on-clojure-org/1703/43>
 
of this guide.

Cheers,

Val

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Re: Clojure.org

[Alan Moore]

Thanks for the feedback! Yeggi’s post was written a long time ago and the 
site/mailing list have undergone quite a few changes since then. Hopefully it 
is better now, sometimes it is hard for those of us who have been around awhile 
to see rough edges.

Alan

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Re: Clojure.org

[Nathan Fisher]

Hi Alex,

Understood, thanks for the quick reply! I recently came across Steve
Yegge's rant on Clojure accessibility to newbies and was reflecting on how
it could be improved. Thought it was a little thing but could be a nice
addition to ease people in and give them a flavour for the language.

Totally understand that a home page is an important space and you don't
want the kitchen sink thrown in peoples faces. :)

Cheers!
Nathan

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 at 16:57 Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com> wrote:

> It's there at: https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site
>
> We considered this when building the site and decided not to include it on
> the front page, so probably not interested in including it now. I expect
> we'll look at front page updates at some point though and we'll consider it
> again.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 10:51:18 AM UTC-5, Nathan Fisher wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm probably dense but I didn't see the source for clojure.org on
>> https://github.com/clojure. It looks like it's served out of S3 based on
>> at the response headers so I'm guessing it's a static site of some sort...
>>
>> While I don't necessarily subscribe to "everyone else is doing it" I was
>> thinking it would be nice to add a sample snippet of "hello world" code on
>> the home page similar to Go and Ruby's site. I'd see it placed just above
>> the "Learn More" section.
>>
>> I wanted to make a PR with a snippet like:
>>
>> (ns cool.clojure
>>   (:gen-class))
>>
>> (defn -main []
>>   (prn "Hello world!"))
>>
>> Underneath it could link to a page "so you've decided to learn Clojure
>> here's how you map common idioms from OO/imperative to Clojure" obviously
>> it'll need something a little snappier.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Nathan
>>
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Re: [ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[Dan Carpenter]

Great work, but I just wanted to say it doesn't look optimal on mobile. 
Maybe 1 item per column on most phones rather than 3?

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 11:00:12 AM UTC-7, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> I wanted to let people to know that we've been updating the clojure.org 
> site to add some deeper descriptions of companies using and succeeding with 
> Clojure:
>
> https://clojure.org/community/success_stories
>
> is a port of the success stories that were previously hosted on the 
> Cognitect web site:
>
> https://clojure.org/community/community_stories
>
> is a new section containing slightly longer interviews of companies using 
> Clojure (I have more on the way and I hope to post these regularly).
>
> There is obviously some overlap between these and they may merge or evolve 
> over time. You can find both pages on the left nav of the Community section 
> if you need to track them down again.
>
> If you're interested in being added to these pages or the Companies page (
> https://clojure.org/community/companies), drop me a line at 
> alex@cognitect.com .
>
> Alex
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Re: [ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[Gregg Reynolds]

On Apr 6, 2017 2:17 PM, "Luke Burton"  wrote:


On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gregg Reynolds  wrote:



On Apr 6, 2017 2:10 PM, "Gregg Reynolds"  wrote:



On Apr 6, 2017 2:08 PM, "Gregg Reynolds"  wrote:



On Apr 6, 2017 1:55 PM, "Luke Burton"  wrote:


Where's Azerbaijan? Seriously, this was a fantastic story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zM5fDN_AHY


looks great. i'd like to believe it, but i'm an amercn in 2017 , i buleeve
nuthink. when i poke around on that link i get nuttin.  maybe it's my
android, but when i tap the story i get a completely different video.
 where is this wondrous azaerbaijani thing?


maybe the site is screwed up? when i click play i get derek slager's video.

or it could be operator error. ;)


Huh, I triple checked the URL and it's definitely showing up as
https://youtu.be/-zM5fDN_AHY.

Here's a page from the conference which links the talk (and the link is the
same there).

http://www.lambdadays.org/lambdadays2017/emin-hasanov

Yeah I blame Android :)


it's reliably!  i think i've figured out what i did wrong, just annoyed
again that they don't include links in a simple way - i cannot sit thru
videos for info, drives me nuts. prose is ao much more efficient.

- dinosaur g

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Re: [ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[Luke Burton]

> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gregg Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2017 2:10 PM, "Gregg Reynolds"  > wrote:
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2017 2:08 PM, "Gregg Reynolds"  > wrote:
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2017 1:55 PM, "Luke Burton"  > wrote:
> 
> Where's Azerbaijan? Seriously, this was a fantastic story:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zM5fDN_AHY 
> 
> 
> looks great. i'd like to believe it, but i'm an amercn in 2017 , i buleeve 
> nuthink. when i poke around on that link i get nuttin.  maybe it's my 
> android, but when i tap the story i get a completely different video.  where 
> is this wondrous azaerbaijani thing?
> 
> maybe the site is screwed up? when i click play i get derek slager's video.
> 
> or it could be operator error. ;)  

Huh, I triple checked the URL and it's definitely showing up as 
https://youtu.be/-zM5fDN_AHY .

Here's a page from the conference which links the talk (and the link is the 
same there).

http://www.lambdadays.org/lambdadays2017/emin-hasanov 


Yeah I blame Android :)


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Re: [ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[Gregg Reynolds]

On Apr 6, 2017 2:10 PM, "Gregg Reynolds"  wrote:



On Apr 6, 2017 2:08 PM, "Gregg Reynolds"  wrote:



On Apr 6, 2017 1:55 PM, "Luke Burton"  wrote:


Where's Azerbaijan? Seriously, this was a fantastic story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zM5fDN_AHY


looks great. i'd like to believe it, but i'm an amercn in 2017 , i buleeve
nuthink. when i poke around on that link i get nuttin.  maybe it's my
android, but when i tap the story i get a completely different video.
 where is this wondrous azaerbaijani thing?


maybe the site is screwed up? when i click play i get derek slager's video.

or it could be operator error. ;)

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Re: [ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[Gregg Reynolds]

On Apr 6, 2017 2:08 PM, "Gregg Reynolds"  wrote:



On Apr 6, 2017 1:55 PM, "Luke Burton"  wrote:


Where's Azerbaijan? Seriously, this was a fantastic story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zM5fDN_AHY


looks great. i'd like to believe it, but i'm an amercn in 2017 , i buleeve
nuthink. when i poke around on that link i get nuttin.  maybe it's my
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 where is this wondrous azaerbaijani thing?


maybe the site is screwed up? when i click play i get derek slager's video.

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Re: [ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[Gregg Reynolds]

On Apr 6, 2017 1:55 PM, "Luke Burton"  wrote:


Where's Azerbaijan? Seriously, this was a fantastic story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zM5fDN_AHY


looks great. i'd like to believe it, but i'm an amercn in 2017 , i buleeve
nuthink. when i poke around on that link i get nuttin.  maybe it's my
android, but when i tap the story i get a completely different video.
 where is this wondrous azaerbaijani thing?


On Apr 6, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Gregg Reynolds  wrote:



On Apr 6, 2017 7:12 AM, "Jon Pither"  wrote:

We have also maintained a set of complimentary success stories here:
https://juxt.pro/clojure-in.html. The more Clojure success stories the
merrier!


love the i18n-ism!

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Re: [ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[Luke Burton]

Where's Azerbaijan? Seriously, this was a fantastic story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zM5fDN_AHY 


 

> On Apr 6, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Gregg Reynolds  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2017 7:12 AM, "Jon Pither" > 
> wrote:
> We have also maintained a set of complimentary success stories here: 
> https://juxt.pro/clojure-in.html . The more 
> Clojure success stories the merrier!
> 
> love the i18n-ism!
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Re: [ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[Gregg Reynolds]

On Apr 6, 2017 7:12 AM, "Jon Pither"  wrote:

We have also maintained a set of complimentary success stories here:
https://juxt.pro/clojure-in.html. The more Clojure success stories the
merrier!


love the i18n-ism!

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Re: [ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[冯忠孝]

在 2017年4月6日星期四 UTC+8下午8:12:55，Jon Pither写道：
>
> We have also maintained a set of complimentary success stories here: 
> https://juxt.pro/clojure-in.html. The more Clojure success stories the 
> merrier!


Thank you for your great work 

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[ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[Jon Pither]

We have also maintained a set of complimentary success stories here: 
https://juxt.pro/clojure-in.html. The more Clojure success stories the merrier!

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[ANN] New Clojure story pages on clojure.org

[Alex Miller]

I wanted to let people to know that we've been updating the clojure.org 
site to add some deeper descriptions of companies using and succeeding with 
Clojure:

https://clojure.org/community/success_stories

is a port of the success stories that were previously hosted on the 
Cognitect web site:

https://clojure.org/community/community_stories

is a new section containing slightly longer interviews of companies using 
Clojure (I have more on the way and I hope to post these regularly).

There is obviously some overlap between these and they may merge or evolve 
over time. You can find both pages on the left nav of the Community section 
if you need to track them down again.

If you're interested in being added to these pages or the Companies page 
(https://clojure.org/community/companies), drop me a line at 
alex.mil...@cognitect.com.

Alex

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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alex Miller]

Shoot, that was not the link I meant. I 
meant: http://clojure.org/community/contributing_site

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 4:33:14 PM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> Well there's a whole page about it at the link mentioned in the message 
> below - https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site
>
> I also have an outstanding ticket to add a link from every page to the 
> source file in the footer. I think that will be sufficient.
>  
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 4:24:59 PM UTC-5, Alan Thompson wrote:
>>
>> Alex - I could not find a link to the Clojure.org github project on the 
>> clojure.org site. Should one be added under "Contributing" somewhere?
>> Alan
>>
>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45:06 AM UTC-8, Alex Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>>>
>>> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a 
>>> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo 
>>> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site 
>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fclojure%2Fclojure-site=D=1=AFQjCNFM6DYv4VfglFu__yLjLCl5RsgWmA>
>>>  
>>> and is open for contribution. Contributions (via pull request) require a 
>>> signed Clojure Contributor Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if 
>>> you've already signed it, then you don't need to do anything additional.
>>>
>>> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section 
>>> and you can see things in process at 
>>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss 
>>> on issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
>>> channel on Slack.
>>>
>>> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he 
>>> was a pleasure to work with.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>

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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alex Miller]

Well there's a whole page about it at the link mentioned in the message 
below - https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site

I also have an outstanding ticket to add a link from every page to the 
source file in the footer. I think that will be sufficient.
 

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 4:24:59 PM UTC-5, Alan Thompson wrote:
>
> Alex - I could not find a link to the Clojure.org github project on the 
> clojure.org site. Should one be added under "Contributing" somewhere?
> Alan
>
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45:06 AM UTC-8, Alex Miller wrote:
>>
>> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>>
>> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a 
>> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo 
>> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site 
>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fclojure%2Fclojure-site=D=1=AFQjCNFM6DYv4VfglFu__yLjLCl5RsgWmA>
>>  
>> and is open for contribution. Contributions (via pull request) require a 
>> signed Clojure Contributor Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if 
>> you've already signed it, then you don't need to do anything additional.
>>
>> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
>> you can see things in process at 
>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on 
>> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
>> channel on Slack.
>>
>> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he 
>> was a pleasure to work with.
>>
>> Alex
>>
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alan Thompson]

Alex - I could not find a link to the Clojure.org github project on the 
clojure.org site. Should one be added under "Contributing" somewhere?
Alan

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45:06 AM UTC-8, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>
> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a 
> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo 
> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution. 
> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
> Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then 
> you don't need to do anything additional.
>
> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
> you can see things in process at 
> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on 
> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
> channel on Slack.
>
> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he was 
> a pleasure to work with.
>
> Alex
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Colin Yates]

It’s probably just me but I always think tech companies that don’t do SSL 
reflects badly on them, like they couldn’t be bothered :-). Can’t really 
justify that prejudice, but anyways, glad this is working now.

(There is also 
http://searchengineland.com/google-starts-giving-ranking-boost-secure-httpsssl-sites-199446).

> On 26 Jan 2016, at 03:52, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com> wrote:
> 
> You can now access https://clojure.org, thanks for the push.
> 
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 2:25:42 PM UTC-6, Alex Miller wrote:
> Noted, I will bump it up the priority list.
> 
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:49:55 PM UTC-6, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com 
>> <mailto:a...@puredanger.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> The clojure.org <http://clojure.org/> has never, and does not now, support 
>> https. It is an entirely static site, so it is not high on my priority list 
>> to work on.
> 
> Sure; but it does respond to HTTPS requests with a bogus cert, instead of 
> simply not supporting HTTPS at all.
> 
> Since it’s HTTP, an attacker on a local network can fairly trivially (by 
> which I mean: using off the shelf tools) make that “download Clojure” link 
> point to whatever they want, which is my main concern. 
> 
> I don’t know if this is an option for you, but CloudFlare will give you a 
> fairly hassle-free (and money-free) TLS termination option.
> 
> 
> lvh
> 
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alex Miller]

You can now access https://clojure.org, thanks for the push.

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 2:25:42 PM UTC-6, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> Noted, I will bump it up the priority list.
>
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:49:55 PM UTC-6, Laurens Van Houtven 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com> wrote:
>>
>> The clojure.org has never, and does not now, support https. It is an 
>> entirely static site, so it is not high on my priority list to work on.
>>
>>
>> Sure; but it does respond to HTTPS requests with a bogus cert, instead of 
>> simply not supporting HTTPS at all.
>>
>> Since it’s HTTP, an attacker on a local network can fairly trivially (by 
>> which I mean: using off the shelf tools) make that “download Clojure” link 
>> point to whatever they want, which is my main concern. 
>>
>> I don’t know if this is an option for you, but CloudFlare will give you a 
>> fairly hassle-free (and money-free) TLS termination option.
>>
>>
>> lvh
>>
>>

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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alan Moore]

Reid,

Thanks for the explanation - I did not realize the differences. I've been
landing on clojuredocs primarily due to page rank but will be sure to
include/check grimoire because I want/need the enhanced doc strings.

Terseness is great when you are an expert but I'm not there yet and can
still use the extra help with some of the less frequently used functions.

Thanks for your efforts putting grimoire together, much appreciated.

Alan
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On Jan 19, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Reid McKenzie  wrote:

Grimoire was originally built to replace ClojureDocs when it had been
inactive for some time, and as it turns out mere months prior to the big
update which is now live. That I continue to operate Grimoire now that
ClojureDocs has been updated is I suppose competition at some level.

Yes ClojureDocs and Grimoire use independent and unsynchronized content
stores. Originally Grimoire started with all of ClojureDocs' examples
unaltered. I put a bunch of time into reformatting and editing them for
Grimoire this summer. I've shared these changes with zkim although I
don't think he's done anything with them yet.

As to documentation, ClojureDocs serves the default unmodified Clojure
docstrings. My goal with Grimoire is to largely replace these famously
curt strings with more fully formed articles and commentary. This is
very much a demand directed operation, with the worklist [1] or personal
points of friction being used to direct priorities.

The examples on both ClojureDocs and Grimoire are adequate. I don't
think there's value being lost between one or the other there.
ClojureDocs has a huge Google PageRank lead which I don't think it's
worthwhile to invest time competing against. Hence my goal has been to
provide augmented docstrings which are I hope more helpful.

Reid

[1] conj.io/worklist

On 01/18/2016 09:31 PM, Mars0i wrote:

Thanks Reid.   I'm a little confused about the relationships between

the goals of ClojureDocs and Grimoire.  They both provide

community-supported documentation.   The top-level interfaces are

different of course, but I'm not sure whether there are differences in

functionality once one knows the ins and outs of each system.  (I see

now that some of what I thought was available only in ClojureDocs is

available on Grimoire as well.)


Are ClojureDocs and Grimoire in competition?  If so, there's nothing

necessarily wrong with that; each person can choose what seems best.

Perhaps there is this drawback: If a user adds an example or comment

to one, it won't appear in the other.  Given that the core

documentation in each is the same, one would have to scan through two

pages for a single function in order to see whether there's any useful

information in one but not the other.


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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Reid McKenzie]

Grimoire was originally built to replace ClojureDocs when it had been
inactive for some time, and as it turns out mere months prior to the big
update which is now live. That I continue to operate Grimoire now that
ClojureDocs has been updated is I suppose competition at some level.

Yes ClojureDocs and Grimoire use independent and unsynchronized content
stores. Originally Grimoire started with all of ClojureDocs' examples
unaltered. I put a bunch of time into reformatting and editing them for
Grimoire this summer. I've shared these changes with zkim although I
don't think he's done anything with them yet.

As to documentation, ClojureDocs serves the default unmodified Clojure
docstrings. My goal with Grimoire is to largely replace these famously
curt strings with more fully formed articles and commentary. This is
very much a demand directed operation, with the worklist [1] or personal
points of friction being used to direct priorities.

The examples on both ClojureDocs and Grimoire are adequate. I don't
think there's value being lost between one or the other there.
ClojureDocs has a huge Google PageRank lead which I don't think it's
worthwhile to invest time competing against. Hence my goal has been to
provide augmented docstrings which are I hope more helpful.

Reid

[1] conj.io/worklist

On 01/18/2016 09:31 PM, Mars0i wrote:
> Thanks Reid.   I'm a little confused about the relationships between
> the goals of ClojureDocs and Grimoire.  They both provide
> community-supported documentation.   The top-level interfaces are
> different of course, but I'm not sure whether there are differences in
> functionality once one knows the ins and outs of each system.  (I see
> now that some of what I thought was available only in ClojureDocs is
> available on Grimoire as well.)
>
> Are ClojureDocs and Grimoire in competition?  If so, there's nothing
> necessarily wrong with that; each person can choose what seems best. 
> Perhaps there is this drawback: If a user adds an example or comment
> to one, it won't appear in the other.  Given that the core
> documentation in each is the same, one would have to scan through two
> pages for a single function in order to see whether there's any useful
> information in one but not the other.

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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Mars0i]

Reid, thanks very much for the explanation, and thanks for all of the 
work.  Knowing that the docstrings may be different on Grimoire is very 
helpful.

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 1:54:48 PM UTC-6, Reid McKenzie wrote:
>
> Grimoire was originally built to replace ClojureDocs when it had been 
> inactive for some time, and as it turns out mere months prior to the big 
> update which is now live. That I continue to operate Grimoire now that 
> ClojureDocs has been updated is I suppose competition at some level. 
>
> Yes ClojureDocs and Grimoire use independent and unsynchronized content 
> stores. Originally Grimoire started with all of ClojureDocs' examples 
> unaltered. I put a bunch of time into reformatting and editing them for 
> Grimoire this summer. I've shared these changes with zkim although I 
> don't think he's done anything with them yet. 
>
> As to documentation, ClojureDocs serves the default unmodified Clojure 
> docstrings. My goal with Grimoire is to largely replace these famously 
> curt strings with more fully formed articles and commentary. This is 
> very much a demand directed operation, with the worklist [1] or personal 
> points of friction being used to direct priorities. 
>
> The examples on both ClojureDocs and Grimoire are adequate. I don't 
> think there's value being lost between one or the other there. 
> ClojureDocs has a huge Google PageRank lead which I don't think it's 
> worthwhile to invest time competing against. Hence my goal has been to 
> provide augmented docstrings which are I hope more helpful. 
>
> Reid 
>
> [1] conj.io/worklist 
>
> On 01/18/2016 09:31 PM, Mars0i wrote: 
> > Thanks Reid.   I'm a little confused about the relationships between 
> > the goals of ClojureDocs and Grimoire.  They both provide 
> > community-supported documentation.   The top-level interfaces are 
> > different of course, but I'm not sure whether there are differences in 
> > functionality once one knows the ins and outs of each system.  (I see 
> > now that some of what I thought was available only in ClojureDocs is 
> > available on Grimoire as well.) 
> > 
> > Are ClojureDocs and Grimoire in competition?  If so, there's nothing 
> > necessarily wrong with that; each person can choose what seems best. 
> > Perhaps there is this drawback: If a user adds an example or comment 
> > to one, it won't appear in the other.  Given that the core 
> > documentation in each is the same, one would have to scan through two 
> > pages for a single function in order to see whether there's any useful 
> > information in one but not the other. 
>
>

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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Leon Grapenthin]

Have you considered linking to or embedding Rich Hickeys videos "Clojure 
for Java programmers", "Clojure for Lisp programmers" and "Clojure data 
structures"?

When I was learning the language they served as excellent introductory 
material and among facts really conveyed a "feeling" for the language. 
Maybe David Nolen could add a ClojureScript for Javascript developers in 
similar style?

On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 5:24:11 PM UTC+1, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> The site does does not have any "learning" material at all. The material 
> on the existing site is intended to be authoritative reference material, 
> written by Rich (or in a few cases me). 
>
> We will add more learning / getting started material - this is definitely 
> the biggest gap in the existing site (although things like Clojure for the 
> Brave and True are great alternatives).
>
> We actually have a body of work in this area already and I will be 
> integrating it as I have time to.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Brent Millare <brent@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I think another useful way to look at the issue that Alan brings up is to 
>> view it as a top down vs bottom up approach to learning the language. The 
>> site favors a top down approach, leading with the rationale and concepts 
>> rather than examples that can act like hooks that encourage the reader to 
>> investigate further even without complete understanding. While I'm more of 
>> a default top down thinker myself, I know and respect many bottom up 
>> thinkers. I believe enhancing the website to address both learning 
>> approaches will increase its usability not to just beginners but also to 
>> experienced programmers.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:16:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Great job everyone! I really like the layout and the color scheme, very 
>>> pleasing to the eye and professional looking.
>>>
>>> My *only* constructive comment is that a total newbie landing on 
>>> clojure.org is faced with a lot of reading when maybe they should be 
>>> presented with super basic code examples, just to give them a general feel 
>>> of what Clojure code looks like. Much of this does exist on the site but is 
>>> maybe less accessible and not as up-front as it could be. I'll submit some 
>>> suggestions via the public repo and do my part to help out :-)
>>>
>>> All in all this is looking great and I appreciate the hard work in 
>>> getting it to this point. Thanks Alex for organizing the effort!
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45:06 AM UTC-8, Alex Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>>>>
>>>> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a 
>>>> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public 
>>>> repo 
>>>> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for 
>>>> contribution. Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure 
>>>> Contributor Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already 
>>>> signed it, then you don't need to do anything additional.
>>>>
>>>> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section 
>>>> and you can see things in process at 
>>>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss 
>>>> on issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
>>>> channel on Slack.
>>>>
>>>> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he 
>>>> was a pleasure to work with.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Reid McKenzie]

Hum... if this is true it's because I've diverged from Andy's cheatsheet
builds and haven't synced back up. Grimoire has 1.7 content and will
promptly support 1.8. Looking into this.

Reid

On 01/15/2016 02:36 PM, Mars0i wrote:
> I like the new look a lot.  Thanks.
>
> One comment: The cheatsheet now links to Grimoire pages that seem to
> be for Clojure 1.6.0.  The old default cheatsheet linked to
> ClojureDocs, which looks better and includes a few more useful
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alex Miller]

Actually, I was using an old version of the cheatsheet and have updated.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Reid McKenzie 
wrote:

> Hum... if this is true it's because I've diverged from Andy's cheatsheet
> builds and haven't synced back up. Grimoire has 1.7 content and will
> promptly support 1.8. Looking into this.
>
> Reid
>
> On 01/15/2016 02:36 PM, Mars0i wrote:
>
> I like the new look a lot.  Thanks.
>
> One comment: The cheatsheet now links to Grimoire pages that seem to be
> for Clojure 1.6.0.  The old default cheatsheet linked to ClojureDocs, which
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Reid McKenzie]

That this is an afterthought I suppose indicates my priorities, but if
you have particular complaints about the present design of Grimoire I'd
be delighted to hear them over on the bugtracker [1]. I'm well aware
that Grimoire lacks some amount of UI/web N+1 polish, however as I'm no
UI/UX expert progress here is and will remain slow without specific
feedback as my primary concerns are example, notes and their value add
over the official docs.

Reid

[1] https://github.com/clojure-grimoire/grimoire/issues

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>
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Reid McKenzie]

Okay. Thanks for the quick reply Alex.

Reid

On 01/18/2016 05:39 PM, Alex Miller wrote:
> Actually, I was using an old version of the cheatsheet and have updated.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Reid McKenzie  > wrote:
>
> Hum... if this is true it's because I've diverged from Andy's
> cheatsheet builds and haven't synced back up. Grimoire has 1.7
> content and will promptly support 1.8. Looking into this.
>
> Reid
>
> On 01/15/2016 02:36 PM, Mars0i wrote:
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>>
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Mars0i]

On Monday, January 18, 2016 at 6:24:06 PM UTC-6, Reid McKenzie wrote:
>
> That this is an afterthought I suppose indicates my priorities, but if you 
> have particular complaints about the present design of Grimoire I'd be 
> delighted to hear them over on the bugtracker [1]. I'm well aware that 
> Grimoire lacks some amount of UI/web N+1 polish, however as I'm no UI/UX 
> expert progress here is and will remain slow without specific feedback as 
> my primary concerns are example, notes and their value add over the 
> official docs.
>
> Reid
>
> [1] https://github.com/clojure-grimoire/grimoire/issues
>

Thanks Reid.   I'm a little confused about the relationships between the 
goals of ClojureDocs and Grimoire.  They both provide community-supported 
documentation.   The top-level interfaces are different of course, but I'm 
not sure whether there are differences in functionality once one knows the 
ins and outs of each system.  (I see now that some of what I thought was 
available only in ClojureDocs is available on Grimoire as well.)

Are ClojureDocs and Grimoire in competition?  If so, there's nothing 
necessarily wrong with that; each person can choose what seems best.  
Perhaps there is this drawback: If a user adds an example or comment to 
one, it won't appear in the other.  Given that the core documentation in 
each is the same, one would have to scan through two pages for a single 
function in order to see whether there's any useful information in one but 
not the other.


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>
> One comment: The cheatsheet now links to Grimoire pages that seem to be 
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Mars0i]

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 2:36:46 PM UTC-6, Mars0i wrote:
>
> I like the new look a lot.  Thanks.
>
> One comment: The cheatsheet now links to Grimoire pages that seem to be 
> for Clojure 1.6.0.  The old default cheatsheet linked to ClojureDocs, which 
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Fixed now.  Thanks! 

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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Brent Millare]

I think another useful way to look at the issue that Alan brings up is to 
view it as a top down vs bottom up approach to learning the language. The 
site favors a top down approach, leading with the rationale and concepts 
rather than examples that can act like hooks that encourage the reader to 
investigate further even without complete understanding. While I'm more of 
a default top down thinker myself, I know and respect many bottom up 
thinkers. I believe enhancing the website to address both learning 
approaches will increase its usability not to just beginners but also to 
experienced programmers.

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:16:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Moore wrote:
>
> Great job everyone! I really like the layout and the color scheme, very 
> pleasing to the eye and professional looking.
>
> My *only* constructive comment is that a total newbie landing on 
> clojure.org is faced with a lot of reading when maybe they should be 
> presented with super basic code examples, just to give them a general feel 
> of what Clojure code looks like. Much of this does exist on the site but is 
> maybe less accessible and not as up-front as it could be. I'll submit some 
> suggestions via the public repo and do my part to help out :-)
>
> All in all this is looking great and I appreciate the hard work in getting 
> it to this point. Thanks Alex for organizing the effort!
>
> Alan
>
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45:06 AM UTC-8, Alex Miller wrote:
>>
>> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>>
>> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a 
>> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo 
>> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution. 
>> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
>> Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then 
>> you don't need to do anything additional.
>>
>> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
>> you can see things in process at 
>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on 
>> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
>> channel on Slack.
>>
>> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he 
>> was a pleasure to work with.
>>
>> Alex
>>
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alex Miller]

The site does does not have any "learning" material at all. The material on
the existing site is intended to be authoritative reference material,
written by Rich (or in a few cases me).

We will add more learning / getting started material - this is definitely
the biggest gap in the existing site (although things like Clojure for the
Brave and True are great alternatives).

We actually have a body of work in this area already and I will be
integrating it as I have time to.


On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Brent Millare <brent.mill...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think another useful way to look at the issue that Alan brings up is to
> view it as a top down vs bottom up approach to learning the language. The
> site favors a top down approach, leading with the rationale and concepts
> rather than examples that can act like hooks that encourage the reader to
> investigate further even without complete understanding. While I'm more of
> a default top down thinker myself, I know and respect many bottom up
> thinkers. I believe enhancing the website to address both learning
> approaches will increase its usability not to just beginners but also to
> experienced programmers.
>
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:16:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Moore wrote:
>>
>> Great job everyone! I really like the layout and the color scheme, very
>> pleasing to the eye and professional looking.
>>
>> My *only* constructive comment is that a total newbie landing on
>> clojure.org is faced with a lot of reading when maybe they should be
>> presented with super basic code examples, just to give them a general feel
>> of what Clojure code looks like. Much of this does exist on the site but is
>> maybe less accessible and not as up-front as it could be. I'll submit some
>> suggestions via the public repo and do my part to help out :-)
>>
>> All in all this is looking great and I appreciate the hard work in
>> getting it to this point. Thanks Alex for organizing the effort!
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45:06 AM UTC-8, Alex Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>>>
>>> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a
>>> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo
>>> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for
>>> contribution. Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure
>>> Contributor Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already
>>> signed it, then you don't need to do anything additional.
>>>
>>> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section
>>> and you can see things in process at
>>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss
>>> on issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs
>>> channel on Slack.
>>>
>>> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he
>>> was a pleasure to work with.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Mars0i]

I like the new look a lot.  Thanks.

One comment: The cheatsheet now links to Grimoire pages that seem to be for 
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Timothy Washington]

+1 Looks good.


On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Bozhidar Batsov 
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> Great work! This was long overdue, but I'm extremely happy we made this
> solid first step!
>
> On 15 January 2016 at 04:11, Eunmin Kim  wrote:
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>> Great!!
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alan Moore]

Great job everyone! I really like the layout and the color scheme, very 
pleasing to the eye and professional looking.

My *only* constructive comment is that a total newbie landing on 
clojure.org is faced with a lot of reading when maybe they should be 
presented with super basic code examples, just to give them a general feel 
of what Clojure code looks like. Much of this does exist on the site but is 
maybe less accessible and not as up-front as it could be. I'll submit some 
suggestions via the public repo and do my part to help out :-)

All in all this is looking great and I appreciate the hard work in getting 
it to this point. Thanks Alex for organizing the effort!

Alan

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45:06 AM UTC-8, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>
> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a 
> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo 
> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution. 
> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
> Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then 
> you don't need to do anything additional.
>
> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
> you can see things in process at 
> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on 
> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
> channel on Slack.
>
> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he was 
> a pleasure to work with.
>
> Alex
>

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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Marc O'Morain]

Very nice! Good job all.

On 14 January 2016 at 15:45, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com> wrote:

> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>
> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a
> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo
> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution.
> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor
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> you don't need to do anything additional.
>
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> you can see things in process at
> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on
> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs
> channel on Slack.
>
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> a pleasure to work with.
>
> Alex
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[ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alex Miller]

The new http://clojure.org is alive!

Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a new 
shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo 
at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution. 
Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then 
you don't need to do anything additional.

We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
you can see things in process 
at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on 
issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
channel on Slack.

Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he was 
a pleasure to work with.

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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Sean Corfield]

Very nice!

Also good to see a number of Pull Requests already and some discussion in 
Issues as well!

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Subject:  [ANN] New clojure.org!

The new http://clojure.org is alive!

Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a new 
shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo at 
https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution. 
Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Laurens Van Houtven]

Huge fan of the redesign! Unfortunately HTTPS is still broken, serving with a 
CloudFront cert.

> On Jan 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Sean Corfield <s...@corfield.org> wrote:
> 
> Very nice!
> 
> Also good to see a number of Pull Requests already and some discussion in 
> Issues as well!
> 
> Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
> 
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
> 
> 
> From: Clojure Mailing List <clojure@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Alex Miller 
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> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45 AM
> To: Clojure Mailing List <clojure@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: [ANN] New clojure.org!
> 
>> The new http://clojure.org <http://clojure.org/> is alive!
>> 
>> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a new 
>> shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo at 
>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site 
>> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site> and is open for contribution. 
>> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
>> Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then 
>> you don't need to do anything additional.
>> 
>> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
>> you can see things in process at 
>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues 
>> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues> - feel free to discuss on 
>> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs channel 
>> on Slack.
>> 
>> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he was a 
>> pleasure to work with.
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
>> 
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[JeremyS]

The new website is great !

Cheers,

Jeremy.

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 5:08:41 PM UTC+1, Colin Yates wrote:
>
> +1 this is really great. 
>
> > On 14 Jan 2016, at 16:07, Stephen Gilardi  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > +1 great fresh look and process! 
> > 
> >> On Jan 14, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Marc O'Morain  > wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Very nice! Good job all. 
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Eunmin Kim]

Great!!

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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Michael Cohen]

Awesome! 

Every time - every single time - I've ever pulled up the api docs in a 
browser, for a split second I feel a tinge of embarrassment to be part of a 
community that has a language this good but a docs site that *#@&$#!& bad.

The new site is a quantum leap forward. Everyone involved take a bow. I'm 
ashamed I haven't contributed anything to it. I vow to remedy that in the 
new year.

Congratulations to every involved, and the community. 
  

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45:06 AM UTC-8, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>
> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a 
> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo 
> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution. 
> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
> Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then 
> you don't need to do anything additional.
>
> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
> you can see things in process at 
> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on 
> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
> channel on Slack.
>
> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he was 
> a pleasure to work with.
>
> Alex
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Ritchie Cai]

New site looks great! 

I feel like https://clojuredocs.org should be added to the community 
resources. Personally, it's my main reference website, and it has been 
extremely helpful. I'm sure it will be for other people too.

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> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>
> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a 
> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo 
> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution. 
> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
> Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then 
> you don't need to do anything additional.
>
> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
> you can see things in process at 
> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on 
> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
> channel on Slack.
>
> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he was 
> a pleasure to work with.
>
> Alex
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alex Miller]

The clojure.org has never, and does not now, support https. It is an
entirely static site, so it is not high on my priority list to work on.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Laurens Van Houtven <_...@lvh.cc> wrote:

> Huge fan of the redesign! Unfortunately HTTPS is still broken, serving
> with a CloudFront cert.
>
> On Jan 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Sean Corfield <s...@corfield.org> wrote:
>
> Very nice!
>
> Also good to see a number of Pull Requests already and some discussion in
> Issues as well!
>
> Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>
>
> From: Clojure Mailing List <clojure@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Alex
> Miller <a...@puredanger.com>
> Reply-To: Clojure Mailing List <clojure@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45 AM
> To: Clojure Mailing List <clojure@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [ANN] New clojure.org!
>
> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>
> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a
> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo
> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution.
> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor
> Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then
> you don't need to do anything additional.
>
> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and
> you can see things in process at
> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on
> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs
> channel on Slack.
>
> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he was
> a pleasure to work with.
>
> Alex
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Bozhidar Batsov]

Great work! This was long overdue, but I'm extremely happy we made this
solid first step!

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> Great!!
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Leon Grapenthin]

Amazing. I really like the clean and minimalistic design.

Congratulations!

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>
> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>
> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a 
> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo 
> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution. 
> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
> Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then 
> you don't need to do anything additional.
>
> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
> you can see things in process at 
> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on 
> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
> channel on Slack.
>
> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he was 
> a pleasure to work with.
>
> Alex
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alex Miller]

Noted, I will bump it up the priority list.

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:49:55 PM UTC-6, Laurens Van Houtven 
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Jan 14, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com> wrote:
>
> The clojure.org has never, and does not now, support https. It is an 
> entirely static site, so it is not high on my priority list to work on.
>
>
> Sure; but it does respond to HTTPS requests with a bogus cert, instead of 
> simply not supporting HTTPS at all.
>
> Since it’s HTTP, an attacker on a local network can fairly trivially (by 
> which I mean: using off the shelf tools) make that “download Clojure” link 
> point to whatever they want, which is my main concern. 
>
> I don’t know if this is an option for you, but CloudFlare will give you a 
> fairly hassle-free (and money-free) TLS termination option.
>
>
> lvh
>
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Alex Miller]

Hi Ritchie,

There are actually two different places where "resources" exist (just a 
by-product of the transition into the new structure really):
- http://clojure.org/guides/getting_started - has a ton of things at the 
end, including clojuredocs 
- http://clojure.org/community/resources - more obvious and presumably what 
you're referring to

I'm going to clean this up and move most of the former to the latter. 
Thanks for the ping.

Alex


On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:44:17 PM UTC-6, Ritchie Cai wrote:
>
> New site looks great! 
>
> I feel like https://clojuredocs.org should be added to the community 
> resources. Personally, it's my main reference website, and it has been 
> extremely helpful. I'm sure it will be for other people too.
>
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-6, Alex Miller wrote:
>>
>> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>>
>> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a 
>> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo 
>> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for contribution. 
>> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
>> Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then 
>> you don't need to do anything additional.
>>
>> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
>> you can see things in process at 
>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss on 
>> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
>> channel on Slack.
>>
>> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he 
>> was a pleasure to work with.
>>
>> Alex
>>
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Laurens Van Houtven]

Hi,

> On Jan 14, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com 
> <mailto:a...@puredanger.com>> wrote:
> 
> The clojure.org <http://clojure.org/> has never, and does not now, support 
> https. It is an entirely static site, so it is not high on my priority list 
> to work on.

Sure; but it does respond to HTTPS requests with a bogus cert, instead of 
simply not supporting HTTPS at all.

Since it’s HTTP, an attacker on a local network can fairly trivially (by which 
I mean: using off the shelf tools) make that “download Clojure” link point to 
whatever they want, which is my main concern.

I don’t know if this is an option for you, but CloudFlare will give you a 
fairly hassle-free (and money-free) TLS termination option.


lvh


> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Laurens Van Houtven <_...@lvh.cc 
> <mailto:_...@lvh.cc>> wrote:
> Huge fan of the redesign! Unfortunately HTTPS is still broken, serving with a 
> CloudFront cert.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Sean Corfield <s...@corfield.org 
>> <mailto:s...@corfield.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Very nice!
>> 
>> Also good to see a number of Pull Requests already and some discussion in 
>> Issues as well!
>> 
>> Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
>> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ <http://corfield.org/>
>> 
>> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
>> -- Margaret Atwood
>> 
>> 
>> From: Clojure Mailing List <clojure@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Alex Miller 
>> <a...@puredanger.com <mailto:a...@puredanger.com>>
>> Reply-To: Clojure Mailing List <clojure@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com>>
>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:45 AM
>> To: Clojure Mailing List <clojure@googlegroups.com 
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>> Subject: [ANN] New clojure.org <http://clojure.org/>!
>> 
>>> The new http://clojure.org <http://clojure.org/> is alive!
>>> 
>>> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a new 
>>> shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo at 
>>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site 
>>> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site> and is open for contribution. 
>>> Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure Contributor 
>>> Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already signed it, then 
>>> you don't need to do anything additional.
>>> 
>>> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section and 
>>> you can see things in process at 
>>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues 
>>> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues> - feel free to discuss on 
>>> issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs 
>>> channel on Slack.
>>> 
>>> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he was 
>>> a pleasure to work with.
>>> 
>>> Alex
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Colin Yates]

+1 this is really great.

> On 14 Jan 2016, at 16:07, Stephen Gilardi  wrote:
> 
> +1 great fresh look and process!
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Marc O'Morain  wrote:
>> 
>> Very nice! Good job all.
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Re: [ANN] New clojure.org!

[Howard Lewis Ship]

Long overdue, and an excellent start.  I hope to squeeze in some time to
provide some contributions!

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com> wrote:

> Hi Ritchie,
>
> There are actually two different places where "resources" exist (just a
> by-product of the transition into the new structure really):
> - http://clojure.org/guides/getting_started - has a ton of things at the
> end, including clojuredocs
> - http://clojure.org/community/resources - more obvious and presumably
> what you're referring to
>
> I'm going to clean this up and move most of the former to the latter.
> Thanks for the ping.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 1:44:17 PM UTC-6, Ritchie Cai wrote:
>>
>> New site looks great!
>>
>> I feel like https://clojuredocs.org should be added to the community
>> resources. Personally, it's my main reference website, and it has been
>> extremely helpful. I'm sure it will be for other people too.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-6, Alex Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> The new http://clojure.org is alive!
>>>
>>> Most of the content on the site is the same content as before (but in a
>>> new shinier package). However, the site is now sourced from the public repo
>>> at https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and is open for
>>> contribution. Contributions (via pull request) require a signed Clojure
>>> Contributor Agreement, just as with Clojure itself - if you've already
>>> signed it, then you don't need to do anything additional.
>>>
>>> We have been working on several new guides for the new Guides section
>>> and you can see things in process at
>>> https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues - feel free to discuss
>>> on issues there or threads here with a [DOC] indicator. Or on the #docs
>>> channel on Slack.
>>>
>>> Big thanks to Tom Hickey on the design for the new site! As always, he
>>> was a pleasure to work with.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
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clojure.org is currently down

[Alex Miller]

The underlying host (wikispaces.com) is having issues and have not been 
having much luck with support, so no ETA.

I cannot wait to switch over to the new clojure.org site!!! Soon.

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[Docs] Help needed on clojure.org guides

[Alex Miller]

Hello all, just wanted to mention a few easy places that someone could help 
out if they're interested.

There are two excellent guides that Andy Fingerhut has written in the past 
on comparators and hash/equality stuff. Andy has given the ok to contribute 
those guides onto the new clojure.org site. This is largely a job of 
porting existing content (in Markdown) into asciidoc, so these are 
comparatively easy things that need to be done. Tasks are here with links 
to the source content:

https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues/15 - comparators 
https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues/16 - hash/equality

There are a number of other issues for needed content as well if you want 
to do more writing!

https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues

Also, we have been working hard on the styling, deployment, and many other 
details and things are looking pretty good. I'm hopeful that we will be 
able to cut over to the new site before the end of the year (even if not 
everything is perfect). 

Alex

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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Leon Grapenthin]

I'd like to say that as a Clojure programmer I really like the current 
page.  

The reference documentation is an excellent resource. It does not answer 
all questions, but it answers the most critical ones very concisely and I 
hope that you intend to keep it like that.

If one thing about the page could be done better it is its appearance 
towards people who heard about Clojure the first time and want to learn 
more about it.

I think I learned about Clojure back ago when researching something Lisp 
related and in that context listened to a Rich Hickey talk. I thought: He 
created a programming language? It must either be insanely great or 
idealistic but unpractical. I went to the clojure.org website and thought: 
Oh, so he created the website for it as well (I think that is not true but 
that is what I thought), concluded that the language can't be very popular 
and probably does not have many users. It immediately ranked lower on the 
list of languages I wanted to try out. That was around 2012. The page 
failed to make me want to try out Clojure immediately mostly because it 
didn't make me trust in it on first sight. Listing high profile companies 
that are using Clojure might help.

If I remember correctly, it was a few weeks later when out of curiosity I 
opened the Youtube video "Clojure for Lisp programmers" that made me want 
to try out Clojure. There is also one "Clojure for Java programmers" and 
"Clojure Data structures" on ClojureTV. I think these should be put on the 
front page and be one click away. A 5 minute tutorial, probably with an 
in-browser REPL like tryclj.com should also be one click away. On a side 
note, "Clojure data structures" could be redone for the web as audience and 
enhanced with some visualization directed towards people who have no idea 
how immutable DS in a Lisp "feel". 

Kind regards,
 Leon.





On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 11:58:41 AM UTC+1, Nando Breiter wrote:
>
> Expanding on the content idea for new-comers *to Clojure*, like me, (but 
> not necessarily to programming in general), I've found the approachs taken 
> by Living Clojure and PurelyFunctional.tv to be really helpful. Both Carin 
> Meier and Eric Normand (for example) take a relatively shallow angle of 
> attack and yet maintain an engaging pace, focusing on key areas of the 
> language. They lay out a *path* to learn, and invite the new-comer to 
> follow along. Not everyone might need tutoring like this, but judging from 
> the recommendations I've seen, others seem to appreciate it.
>
> The Getting Started page is currently a list of resources. That's 
> certainly needed. But it can take someone new to Clojure a considerable 
> amount of time to dive into all of it. And it's easy to get bogged down. 
> While there may be value in letting folks sort it out and slog through it 
> all for themselves, there's no learning path laid out on the website. Hence 
> I think a dedicated page or section named, for instance, "How to learn 
> Clojure" might be helpful. 
>
> What should go in this section? Content that would help someone having at 
> least some difficulty learning Clojure. Content that would help them sort 
> out how to approach learning the language. Content that would help them 
> prioritize which resources to use at which level.
>
>
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> > wrote:
>
>> Content idea: Would be nice to have a section for new-comers to 
>> programming, introducing them to programming through Clojure. All of the 
>> existing Clojure books that I know of are aimed at those with intermediate 
>> to advanced programming skills in Clojure or another language. The content 
>> and learning gradient in those books can be steep and could put off a 
>> beginner. Although Clojure is such an advanced language, I think it's 
>> possible to implant programming concepts in a complete beginner by using a 
>> subset of Clojure. But maybe the the clojure.org Website is not the 
>> right place for that?
>> Thanks,
>> H
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 5:57:45 PM UTC+2, Alex Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Hildeberto,
>>>
>>> I built spikes of the site in a number of technologies like Cryogen, 
>>> Stasis, Sphinx, Asciidoctor, and some of the other Ruby-based static 
>>> generators as well. In the end, I found that JBake was the best match for 
>>> our goals at this time. The site build architecture has been decided and 
>>> we're not interested in revisiting that at t

Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Nando Breiter]

Expanding on the content idea for new-comers *to Clojure*, like me, (but
not necessarily to programming in general), I've found the approachs taken
by Living Clojure and PurelyFunctional.tv to be really helpful. Both Carin
Meier and Eric Normand (for example) take a relatively shallow angle of
attack and yet maintain an engaging pace, focusing on key areas of the
language. They lay out a *path* to learn, and invite the new-comer to
follow along. Not everyone might need tutoring like this, but judging from
the recommendations I've seen, others seem to appreciate it.

The Getting Started page is currently a list of resources. That's certainly
needed. But it can take someone new to Clojure a considerable amount of
time to dive into all of it. And it's easy to get bogged down. While there
may be value in letting folks sort it out and slog through it all for
themselves, there's no learning path laid out on the website. Hence I think
a dedicated page or section named, for instance, "How to learn Clojure"
might be helpful.

What should go in this section? Content that would help someone having at
least some difficulty learning Clojure. Content that would help them sort
out how to approach learning the language. Content that would help them
prioritize which resources to use at which level.







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On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Harrison Maseko <lis...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Content idea: Would be nice to have a section for new-comers to
> programming, introducing them to programming through Clojure. All of the
> existing Clojure books that I know of are aimed at those with intermediate
> to advanced programming skills in Clojure or another language. The content
> and learning gradient in those books can be steep and could put off a
> beginner. Although Clojure is such an advanced language, I think it's
> possible to implant programming concepts in a complete beginner by using a
> subset of Clojure. But maybe the the clojure.org Website is not the right
> place for that?
> Thanks,
> H
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 5:57:45 PM UTC+2, Alex Miller wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hildeberto,
>>
>> I built spikes of the site in a number of technologies like Cryogen,
>> Stasis, Sphinx, Asciidoctor, and some of the other Ruby-based static
>> generators as well. In the end, I found that JBake was the best match for
>> our goals at this time. The site build architecture has been decided and
>> we're not interested in revisiting that at this time. At some point down
>> the road, based on experience and tool evolution, we may take another look,
>> but not soon.
>>
>> Cryogen is a great tool and I would recommend it to others. One problem I
>> had with it was its flexibility with respect to the url structure. I
>> actually think for the purposes of creating a blog etc that is a dimension
>> that is good to remove, but it was a downside for our use.
>>
>> We are working with a designer on the site look and feel and at some
>> point that will be visible. At the point where that is visible, I expect
>> there will be some evolution on front page, navigation structure, etc and
>> would be happy to get feedback on that.
>>
>> Right now, we are primarily looking for content ideas and would love
>> thoughts on that. Or if there is interest in enhancing existing pages, I
>> would also like to talk about those.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 9:41:40 AM UTC-6, Hildeberto Mendonça
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a great initiative! Thanks! But I'm just sad to see JBake instead
>>> of Cryogen (https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen-core) which is
>>> written in Clojure :-( Can we send a pull request replacing JBake by
>>> Cryogen or is JBake a final decision?
>>>
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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Alex Miller]

Yes, all of the instructions point you to a stable build of JBake 
2.5.0-SNAPSHOT. There is, in particular, a fix coming in 2.5.0 that allows 
us to output files with no extension so that urls look like 
http://clojure.org/reader instead of http://clojure.org/reader.html. When 
2.5 is released, I'll change the instructions to point to the stable 
release instead.

The build instructions on the site may change periodically, but the 
instructions should always be up to date there.


On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-6, Hildeberto Mendonça 
wrote:
>
> All set here! Just to point out that the site generation didn't work with 
> JBake v2.4.0 (latest stable). So, if you already use JBake, you will have 
> to upgrade it to v2.5.0-SNAPSHOT, as suggested in the README file.
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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Nelson Morris]

Is there a list of reviewers and editors?

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com> wrote:

> The Clojure community is full of talented writers and valuable experience,
> and together we can create great documentation for the language and the
> ecosystem. With that in mind, we are happy to announce a new initiative to
> replace the existing http://clojure.org site. The new site will contain
> most of the existing reference and information content but will also
> provide an opportunity for additional guides or tutorials about Clojure and
> its ecosystem.
>
> The new site content is hosted in a GitHub repository
> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site> and is open for contributions.
> All contributions require a signed Clojure Contributor Agreement. This
> repository will accept contributions via pull request and issues with
> GitHub issues. The contribution and review process is described in more
> detail on the site contribution
> <https://github.com/cognitect/clojure-site/blob/master/content/community/contributing_site.adoc>
> page.
>
> We are currently working on the design elements for the site but if you
> would like to suggest a new guide, tutorial, or other content to be
> included on the site, please file an issue
> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues> for discussion or create
> a thread on the Clojure mailing list
> <http://groups.google.com/group/clojure> with [DOCS] in the subject.
> There will be an unsession at the Clojure/conj <http://clojure-conj.org/>
> conference next week for additional discussion. This is the beginning of a
> process, and things will likely evolve in the future. In the meantime, we
> look forward to seeing your contributions!
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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Hildeberto Mendonça]

All set here! Just to point out that the site generation didn't work with
JBake v2.4.0 (latest stable). So, if you already use JBake, you will have
to upgrade it to v2.5.0-SNAPSHOT, as suggested in the README file.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Dmitri  wrote:

> Just a note that the author of Cryogen is very responsive regarding
> discussions on improvements and pull requests for additional functionality.
> If there's a particular feature that's missing it might be worth creating
> an issue or opening a pr for it.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 10:57:45 AM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hildeberto,
>>
>> I built spikes of the site in a number of technologies like Cryogen,
>> Stasis, Sphinx, Asciidoctor, and some of the other Ruby-based static
>> generators as well. In the end, I found that JBake was the best match for
>> our goals at this time. The site build architecture has been decided and
>> we're not interested in revisiting that at this time. At some point down
>> the road, based on experience and tool evolution, we may take another look,
>> but not soon.
>>
>> Cryogen is a great tool and I would recommend it to others. One problem I
>> had with it was its flexibility with respect to the url structure. I
>> actually think for the purposes of creating a blog etc that is a dimension
>> that is good to remove, but it was a downside for our use.
>>
>> We are working with a designer on the site look and feel and at some
>> point that will be visible. At the point where that is visible, I expect
>> there will be some evolution on front page, navigation structure, etc and
>> would be happy to get feedback on that.
>>
>> Right now, we are primarily looking for content ideas and would love
>> thoughts on that. Or if there is interest in enhancing existing pages, I
>> would also like to talk about those.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 9:41:40 AM UTC-6, Hildeberto Mendonça
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a great initiative! Thanks! But I'm just sad to see JBake instead
>>> of Cryogen (https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen-core) which is
>>> written in Clojure :-( Can we send a pull request replacing JBake by
>>> Cryogen or is JBake a final decision?
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Blog: http://www.hildeberto.com
>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/htmfilho
>>>
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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Colin Yates]

I don’t know how feasible that is as a tool lives in a much smaller space than 
everything you can do with that tool. “programming through Clojure” feels a bit 
like teaching Carpentry through examine a hammer…

On the other hand, do I think the Clojure community have some excellent ideas 
on how to program - absolutely. Most of the value I find from the various 
Clojure related videos are nothing to do with Clojure per-sa but to do with 
programming. Complicating, simple v easy and so on.

I do think there would be much value in a page of programming related resources 
that the community consider are ‘good’ but I am not sure that is the same set 
of resources as “I don’t know how to program, how do I learn”…

I wonder whether a related page of “how Clojure helped upgrade my programming” 
might be valuable...

> On 11 Nov 2015, at 20:24, Harrison Maseko <lis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Content idea: Would be nice to have a section for new-comers to programming, 
> introducing them to programming through Clojure. All of the existing Clojure 
> books that I know of are aimed at those with intermediate to advanced 
> programming skills in Clojure or another language. The content and learning 
> gradient in those books can be steep and could put off a beginner. Although 
> Clojure is such an advanced language, I think it's possible to implant 
> programming concepts in a complete beginner by using a subset of Clojure. But 
> maybe the the clojure.org Website is not the right place for that?
> Thanks,
> H
> 
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 5:57:45 PM UTC+2, Alex Miller wrote:
> Hi Hildeberto,
> 
> I built spikes of the site in a number of technologies like Cryogen, Stasis, 
> Sphinx, Asciidoctor, and some of the other Ruby-based static generators as 
> well. In the end, I found that JBake was the best match for our goals at this 
> time. The site build architecture has been decided and we're not interested 
> in revisiting that at this time. At some point down the road, based on 
> experience and tool evolution, we may take another look, but not soon. 
> 
> Cryogen is a great tool and I would recommend it to others. One problem I had 
> with it was its flexibility with respect to the url structure. I actually 
> think for the purposes of creating a blog etc that is a dimension that is 
> good to remove, but it was a downside for our use. 
> 
> We are working with a designer on the site look and feel and at some point 
> that will be visible. At the point where that is visible, I expect there will 
> be some evolution on front page, navigation structure, etc and would be happy 
> to get feedback on that.
> 
> Right now, we are primarily looking for content ideas and would love thoughts 
> on that. Or if there is interest in enhancing existing pages, I would also 
> like to talk about those.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 9:41:40 AM UTC-6, Hildeberto Mendonça wrote:
> That's a great initiative! Thanks! But I'm just sad to see JBake instead of 
> Cryogen (https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen-core 
> <https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen-core>) which is written in 
> Clojure :-( Can we send a pull request replacing JBake by Cryogen or is JBake 
> a final decision?
> 
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> Twitter: https://twitter.com/htmfilho <https://twitter.com/htmfilho>
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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Alex Miller]

On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 10:27:34 AM UTC-6, Nelson Morris wrote:
>
> Is there a list of reviewers and editors?
>

In the interest of getting this public, I did not wait to figure out all 
the details of the review and editing process before we made the 
announcement. I am hoping to get a feel for volume and workload as we get 
going too to inform the process. For the moment, I will serve as the 
reviewer for all submissions. Rich will serve as editor for the reference 
portions of the content and I will serve as editor for the rest.

Over time these lists will expand and include people both inside and 
outside Cognitect.


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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Harrison Maseko]

Content idea: Would be nice to have a section for new-comers to 
programming, introducing them to programming through Clojure. All of the 
existing Clojure books that I know of are aimed at those with intermediate 
to advanced programming skills in Clojure or another language. The content 
and learning gradient in those books can be steep and could put off a 
beginner. Although Clojure is such an advanced language, I think it's 
possible to implant programming concepts in a complete beginner by using a 
subset of Clojure. But maybe the the clojure.org Website is not the right 
place for that?
Thanks,
H

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 5:57:45 PM UTC+2, Alex Miller wrote:
>
> Hi Hildeberto,
>
> I built spikes of the site in a number of technologies like Cryogen, 
> Stasis, Sphinx, Asciidoctor, and some of the other Ruby-based static 
> generators as well. In the end, I found that JBake was the best match for 
> our goals at this time. The site build architecture has been decided and 
> we're not interested in revisiting that at this time. At some point down 
> the road, based on experience and tool evolution, we may take another look, 
> but not soon. 
>
> Cryogen is a great tool and I would recommend it to others. One problem I 
> had with it was its flexibility with respect to the url structure. I 
> actually think for the purposes of creating a blog etc that is a dimension 
> that is good to remove, but it was a downside for our use. 
>
> We are working with a designer on the site look and feel and at some point 
> that will be visible. At the point where that is visible, I expect there 
> will be some evolution on front page, navigation structure, etc and would 
> be happy to get feedback on that.
>
> Right now, we are primarily looking for content ideas and would love 
> thoughts on that. Or if there is interest in enhancing existing pages, I 
> would also like to talk about those.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 9:41:40 AM UTC-6, Hildeberto Mendonça 
> wrote:
>>
>> That's a great initiative! Thanks! But I'm just sad to see JBake instead 
>> of Cryogen (https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen-core) which is 
>> written in Clojure :-( Can we send a pull request replacing JBake by 
>> Cryogen or is JBake a final decision?
>>
>> -- 
>> Hildeberto Mendonça, Ph.D
>> Blog: http://www.hildeberto.com
>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/htmfilho
>>
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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Hildeberto Mendonça]

That's a great initiative! Thanks! But I'm just sad to see JBake instead of
Cryogen (https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen-core) which is written
in Clojure :-( Can we send a pull request replacing JBake by Cryogen or is
JBake a final decision?

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com> wrote:

> The Clojure community is full of talented writers and valuable experience,
> and together we can create great documentation for the language and the
> ecosystem. With that in mind, we are happy to announce a new initiative to
> replace the existing http://clojure.org site. The new site will contain
> most of the existing reference and information content but will also
> provide an opportunity for additional guides or tutorials about Clojure and
> its ecosystem.
>
> The new site content is hosted in a GitHub repository
> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site> and is open for contributions.
> All contributions require a signed Clojure Contributor Agreement. This
> repository will accept contributions via pull request and issues with
> GitHub issues. The contribution and review process is described in more
> detail on the site contribution
> <https://github.com/cognitect/clojure-site/blob/master/content/community/contributing_site.adoc>
> page.
>
> We are currently working on the design elements for the site but if you
> would like to suggest a new guide, tutorial, or other content to be
> included on the site, please file an issue
> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues> for discussion or create
> a thread on the Clojure mailing list
> <http://groups.google.com/group/clojure> with [DOCS] in the subject.
> There will be an unsession at the Clojure/conj <http://clojure-conj.org/>
> conference next week for additional discussion. This is the beginning of a
> process, and things will likely evolve in the future. In the meantime, we
> look forward to seeing your contributions!
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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Hildeberto Mendonça]

Thanks for clarifying that Alex.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Alex Miller  wrote:

> Hi Hildeberto,
>
> I built spikes of the site in a number of technologies like Cryogen,
> Stasis, Sphinx, Asciidoctor, and some of the other Ruby-based static
> generators as well. In the end, I found that JBake was the best match for
> our goals at this time. The site build architecture has been decided and
> we're not interested in revisiting that at this time. At some point down
> the road, based on experience and tool evolution, we may take another look,
> but not soon.
>
> Cryogen is a great tool and I would recommend it to others. One problem I
> had with it was its flexibility with respect to the url structure. I
> actually think for the purposes of creating a blog etc that is a dimension
> that is good to remove, but it was a downside for our use.
>
> We are working with a designer on the site look and feel and at some point
> that will be visible. At the point where that is visible, I expect there
> will be some evolution on front page, navigation structure, etc and would
> be happy to get feedback on that.
>
> Right now, we are primarily looking for content ideas and would love
> thoughts on that. Or if there is interest in enhancing existing pages, I
> would also like to talk about those.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 9:41:40 AM UTC-6, Hildeberto Mendonça
> wrote:
>>
>> That's a great initiative! Thanks! But I'm just sad to see JBake instead
>> of Cryogen (https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen-core) which is
>> written in Clojure :-( Can we send a pull request replacing JBake by
>> Cryogen or is JBake a final decision?
>>
>> --
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>> Blog: http://www.hildeberto.com
>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/htmfilho
>>
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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

['Alan Forrester' via Clojure]

On 10 Nov 2015, at 15:14, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com> wrote:

> The Clojure community is full of talented writers and valuable experience, 
> and together we can create great documentation for the language and the 
> ecosystem. With that in mind, we are happy to announce a new initiative to 
> replace the existing http://clojure.org <http://clojure.org/> site. The new 
> site will contain most of the existing reference and information content but 
> will also provide an opportunity for additional guides or tutorials about 
> Clojure and its ecosystem. 
> 
> The new site content is hosted in a GitHub repository 
> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site> and is open for contributions. All 
> contributions require a signed Clojure Contributor Agreement. This repository 
> will accept contributions via pull request and issues with GitHub issues. The 
> contribution and review process is described in more detail on the site 
> contribution 
> <https://github.com/cognitect/clojure-site/blob/master/content/community/contributing_site.adoc>
>  page. 

The site contribution page does not seem to be up.

Alan

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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Alex Miller]

Link was bad - sorry!

https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/blob/master/content/community/contributing_site.adoc


On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-6, Alan Forrester wrote:
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> The site contribution page does not seem to be up.
>
>
> Alan
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[ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Alex Miller]

The Clojure community is full of talented writers and valuable experience, 
and together we can create great documentation for the language and the 
ecosystem. With that in mind, we are happy to announce a new initiative to 
replace the existing http://clojure.org site. The new site will contain 
most of the existing reference and information content but will also 
provide an opportunity for additional guides or tutorials about Clojure and 
its ecosystem. 

The new site content is hosted in a GitHub repository 
<https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site> and is open for contributions. 
All contributions require a signed Clojure Contributor Agreement. This 
repository will accept contributions via pull request and issues with 
GitHub issues. The contribution and review process is described in more 
detail on the site contribution 
<https://github.com/cognitect/clojure-site/blob/master/content/community/contributing_site.adoc>
 
page. 

We are currently working on the design elements for the site but if you 
would like to suggest a new guide, tutorial, or other content to be 
included on the site, please file an issue 
<https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues> for discussion or create a 
thread on the Clojure mailing list <http://groups.google.com/group/clojure> 
with [DOCS] in the subject. There will be an unsession at the Clojure/conj 
<http://clojure-conj.org/> conference next week for additional discussion. 
This is the beginning of a process, and things will likely evolve in the 
future. In the meantime, we look forward to seeing your contributions!

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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Hildeberto Mendonça]

A better link about Cryogen: http://cryogenweb.org

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Hildeberto Mendonça <m...@hildeberto.com>
wrote:

> That's a great initiative! Thanks! But I'm just sad to see JBake instead
> of Cryogen (https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen-core) which is
> written in Clojure :-( Can we send a pull request replacing JBake by
> Cryogen or is JBake a final decision?
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Alex Miller <a...@puredanger.com> wrote:
>
>> The Clojure community is full of talented writers and valuable
>> experience, and together we can create great documentation for the language
>> and the ecosystem. With that in mind, we are happy to announce a new
>> initiative to replace the existing http://clojure.org site. The new site
>> will contain most of the existing reference and information content but
>> will also provide an opportunity for additional guides or tutorials about
>> Clojure and its ecosystem.
>>
>> The new site content is hosted in a GitHub repository
>> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site> and is open for contributions.
>> All contributions require a signed Clojure Contributor Agreement. This
>> repository will accept contributions via pull request and issues with
>> GitHub issues. The contribution and review process is described in more
>> detail on the site contribution
>> <https://github.com/cognitect/clojure-site/blob/master/content/community/contributing_site.adoc>
>> page.
>>
>> We are currently working on the design elements for the site but if you
>> would like to suggest a new guide, tutorial, or other content to be
>> included on the site, please file an issue
>> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure-site/issues> for discussion or
>> create a thread on the Clojure mailing list
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/clojure> with [DOCS] in the subject.
>> There will be an unsession at the Clojure/conj <http://clojure-conj.org/>
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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Alex Miller]

Hi Hildeberto,

I built spikes of the site in a number of technologies like Cryogen, 
Stasis, Sphinx, Asciidoctor, and some of the other Ruby-based static 
generators as well. In the end, I found that JBake was the best match for 
our goals at this time. The site build architecture has been decided and 
we're not interested in revisiting that at this time. At some point down 
the road, based on experience and tool evolution, we may take another look, 
but not soon. 

Cryogen is a great tool and I would recommend it to others. One problem I 
had with it was its flexibility with respect to the url structure. I 
actually think for the purposes of creating a blog etc that is a dimension 
that is good to remove, but it was a downside for our use. 

We are working with a designer on the site look and feel and at some point 
that will be visible. At the point where that is visible, I expect there 
will be some evolution on front page, navigation structure, etc and would 
be happy to get feedback on that.

Right now, we are primarily looking for content ideas and would love 
thoughts on that. Or if there is interest in enhancing existing pages, I 
would also like to talk about those.

Thanks,
Alex



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> That's a great initiative! Thanks! But I'm just sad to see JBake instead 
> of Cryogen (https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen-core) which is 
> written in Clojure :-( Can we send a pull request replacing JBake by 
> Cryogen or is JBake a final decision?
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Re: [ANN] Let's make clojure.org better!

[Dmitri]

Just a note that the author of Cryogen is very responsive regarding 
discussions on improvements and pull requests for additional functionality. 
If there's a particular feature that's missing it might be worth creating 
an issue or opening a pr for it.

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 10:57:45 AM UTC-5, Alex Miller wrote:
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> Hi Hildeberto,
>
> I built spikes of the site in a number of technologies like Cryogen, 
> Stasis, Sphinx, Asciidoctor, and some of the other Ruby-based static 
> generators as well. In the end, I found that JBake was the best match for 
> our goals at this time. The site build architecture has been decided and 
> we're not interested in revisiting that at this time. At some point down 
> the road, based on experience and tool evolution, we may take another look, 
> but not soon. 
>
> Cryogen is a great tool and I would recommend it to others. One problem I 
> had with it was its flexibility with respect to the url structure. I 
> actually think for the purposes of creating a blog etc that is a dimension 
> that is good to remove, but it was a downside for our use. 
>
> We are working with a designer on the site look and feel and at some point 
> that will be visible. At the point where that is visible, I expect there 
> will be some evolution on front page, navigation structure, etc and would 
> be happy to get feedback on that.
>
> Right now, we are primarily looking for content ideas and would love 
> thoughts on that. Or if there is interest in enhancing existing pages, I 
> would also like to talk about those.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 9:41:40 AM UTC-6, Hildeberto Mendonça 
> wrote:
>>
>> That's a great initiative! Thanks! But I'm just sad to see JBake instead 
>> of Cryogen (https://github.com/cryogen-project/cryogen-core) which is 
>> written in Clojure :-( Can we send a pull request replacing JBake by 
>> Cryogen or is JBake a final decision?
>>
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Re: Is there a table of content for the whole clojure.org website?

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No, there is no "site map" of the whole thing although every page should be 
reachable from the left nav. Most pages are either in that top level or 1 
step from Features or Documentation.

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 10:07:27 AM UTC-5, Aseem Bansal wrote:
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> I mean for all the topics? There are certain topics under Rationale, 
> others under Documentation. Is there one common TOC? 
>
> Just wanted something like single.html where all the docs are so I could 
> start picking topics which seem most interesting. Obviously the other 
> option is using google search for Clojure.org
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Is there a table of content for the whole clojure.org website?

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I mean for all the topics? There are certain topics under Rationale, others 
under Documentation. Is there one common TOC? 

Just wanted something like single.html where all the docs are so I could 
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spam on clojure.org

[Otto Linnemann]

I have just noticed a lot of spam (online gambling and stuff like that) 
where clojure.org redirects too which I find incredible annoying since I 
use clojure.org frequently e.g. as API reference. Has clojure.org hacked or 
is it intentional so? 

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Re: spam on clojure.org

[Reid McKenzie]

clojure.org does no such thing, sounds like it's time to do a virus sweep.

Reid

On 03/29/2015 05:14 AM, Otto Linnemann wrote:
I have just noticed a lot of spam (online gambling and stuff like 
that) where clojure.org redirects too which I find incredible annoying 
since I use clojure.org frequently e.g. as API reference. Has 
clojure.org hacked or is it intentional so?


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Re: Updates to cheat sheet at clojure.org/cheatsheet

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I'm happy to host an updated ClojureScript cheat sheet, and give technical
help and advice to anyone wanting to update it.

As I don't use ClojureScript myself (at least not yet), I don't have the
motivation to update it myself.

Andy

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 10:22 AM, gvim gvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 05/02/2015 17:04, Andy Fingerhut wrote:

 Thanks to Alex Miller, who has updated the cheat sheet version published
 at http://clojure.org/cheatsheet

 It was updated from v13 to v21.  If you are curious what changes have
 been made between those versions, you can read the change log here:
 https://github.com/jafingerhut/clojure-cheatsheets/blob/master/src/
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 https://github.com/readevalprintlove/clojurescript-cheatsheet

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Re: Updates to cheat sheet at clojure.org/cheatsheet

[gvim]

On 05/02/2015 20:46, Andy Fingerhut wrote:

I'm happy to host an updated ClojureScript cheat sheet, and give
technical help and advice to anyone wanting to update it.

As I don't use ClojureScript myself (at least not yet), I don't have the
motivation to update it myself.

Andy



Sorry if my reply suggested any responsibility on your part. It was 
meant as a general observation.


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Re: Updates to cheat sheet at clojure.org/cheatsheet

[Andy Fingerhut]

Nice!  I've added a link to that newer ClojureScript cheat sheet to my page
of similar links, here, so hopefully more people can find it in the future:

http://jafingerhut.github.io

That is the page you get to when clicking on the Download other versions
with tooltips near the top of http://clojure.org/cheatsheet

Andy

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bruce Wang br...@brucewang.net wrote:

 There are http://cljs.info/cheatsheet/

 from the commit logs on https://github.com/oakmac/cljs.info  it's less
 than 4 days old

 On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 5:22 AM, gvim gvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 05/02/2015 17:04, Andy Fingerhut wrote:

 Thanks to Alex Miller, who has updated the cheat sheet version published
 at http://clojure.org/cheatsheet

 It was updated from v13 to v21.  If you are curious what changes have
 been made between those versions, you can read the change log here:
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 https://github.com/readevalprintlove/clojurescript-cheatsheet

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Re: Updates to cheat sheet at clojure.org/cheatsheet

[Bruce Wang]

There are http://cljs.info/cheatsheet/

from the commit logs on https://github.com/oakmac/cljs.info  it's less than
4 days old

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 5:22 AM, gvim gvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 05/02/2015 17:04, Andy Fingerhut wrote:

 Thanks to Alex Miller, who has updated the cheat sheet version published
 at http://clojure.org/cheatsheet

 It was updated from v13 to v21.  If you are curious what changes have
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 As always, the most recent version, plus tooltips containing doc strings
 and a search box, can be found by clicking on the Download other
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Updates to cheat sheet at clojure.org/cheatsheet

[Andy Fingerhut]

Thanks to Alex Miller, who has updated the cheat sheet version published at
http://clojure.org/cheatsheet

It was updated from v13 to v21.  If you are curious what changes have been
made between those versions, you can read the change log here:
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Re: Updates to cheat sheet at clojure.org/cheatsheet

[gvim]

On 05/02/2015 17:04, Andy Fingerhut wrote:

Thanks to Alex Miller, who has updated the cheat sheet version published
at http://clojure.org/cheatsheet

It was updated from v13 to v21.  If you are curious what changes have
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and a search box, can be found by clicking on the Download other
versions with tooltips link near the top of that page.

Andy



Contrasts sharply with cljs-cheatsheet which is now 3 years old:

https://github.com/readevalprintlove/clojurescript-cheatsheet

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Re: clojure.org uses a wikispaces TLS certificate

[Laurens Van Houtven]

Hi Alex,

On 20 Sep 2014, at 20:20, Alex Miller a...@puredanger.com wrote:

 Clojure.org is hosted on wikispaces. For what purpose would you access it by 
 https?

It’s not a (purposeful) choice; my browser is configured to access any site 
that supports it over HTTPS.

Since this is intentional, I have simply instructed it to remember this 
(Wikispaces) certificate as the certificate for Clojure.org.

thanks
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Re: clojure.org uses a wikispaces TLS certificate

[Alex Miller]

It is likely that at some point in the future, clojure.org will be hosted 
elsewhere. For now, this doesn't seem to be a high priority to address so I 
don't plan to do anything about it (presumably it would be difficult to do 
so).

On Monday, September 22, 2014 7:02:06 AM UTC-5, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:

 Hi Alex, 

 On 20 Sep 2014, at 20:20, Alex Miller al...@puredanger.com javascript: 
 wrote: 

  Clojure.org is hosted on wikispaces. For what purpose would you access 
 it by https? 

 It’s not a (purposeful) choice; my browser is configured to access any 
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 Since this is intentional, I have simply instructed it to remember this 
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Re: clojure.org uses a wikispaces TLS certificate

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On 22 Sep 2014, at 17:30, Alex Miller a...@puredanger.com wrote:

 It is likely that at some point in the future, clojure.org will be hosted 
 elsewhere. For now, this doesn't seem to be a high priority to address so I 
 don't plan to do anything about it (presumably it would be difficult to do 
 so).

Absolutely. I just wanted to report the issue, not insist that it’s fixed right 
away.

Thanks!
lvh



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clojure.org uses a wikispaces TLS certificate

[Alex Miller]

Clojure.org is hosted on wikispaces. For what purpose would you access it by 
https?

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clojure.org uses a wikispaces TLS certificate

[Laurens Van Houtven]

Hi!


clojure.org presents a bogus certificate when you attempt to reach it over 
HTTPS. The cert it provides has *.wikispaces.com as a CN, but is otherwise 
fine.

My apologies if there's a better place to report this; I couldn't find it.


hth
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http://clojure.org/ link to CLR links old git

[JP Bader]

Shouldn't the link be updated to https://github.com/clojure/clojure-clr?

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Re: http://clojure.org/ link to CLR links old git

[Alex Miller]

Fixed.

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:50:54 PM UTC-5, JP Bader wrote:

 Shouldn't the link be updated to https://github.com/clojure/clojure-clr?


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Re: Clojure.org: Concurrency screencast 404

[abhi]

http://clojure.org/concurrent_programming

Apologies for the delayed response.


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 Which page had the link?

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Re: Clojure.org: Concurrency screencast 404

[abhi]

Oh. Looks like the link has been updated already. Missed that earlier.


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 http://clojure.org/concurrent_programming

 Apologies for the delayed response.


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Re: Clojure.org: Concurrency screencast 404

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Yeah, I found it. :) 

On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 10:21:24 AM UTC-6, Abhijith wrote:

 Oh. Looks like the link has been updated already. Missed that earlier.


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 http://clojure.org/concurrent_programming

 Apologies for the delayed response.


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Re: Clojure.org: Concurrency screencast 404

[abhi]

 That's the one I was looking for. Thanks!

Is there a place I can file this as an issue so that the website points to
the right one?


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 blip.tv killed the Clojure account. Many of the videos were moved to
 YouTube under the ClojureTV account:

 http://www.youtube.com/user/ClojureTV

 I suspect this is the talk you're referring to:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGVqrGmwOAw


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 Hello,
Concurrency screencast link to blip.tv is throwing a 404. Is this a
 temporary thing or has it moved permanently?

  Most of this is covered in more detail in the concurrency 
  screencasthttp://blip.tv/file/812787
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Re: Clojure.org: Concurrency screencast 404

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Which page had the link?

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Clojure.org: Concurrency screencast 404

[abhi]

Hello,
   Concurrency screencast link to blip.tv is throwing a 404. Is this a
temporary thing or has it moved permanently?

 Most of this is covered in more detail in the concurrency 
 screencasthttp://blip.tv/file/812787
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Re: Clojure.org: Concurrency screencast 404

[Cedric Greevey]

On a related note, why is the 301 Moved Permanently HTTP status never
used in actual practice? Instead, when things move you always get 404s and
have to hunt them down manually. :P


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 Hello,
Concurrency screencast link to blip.tv is throwing a 404. Is this a
 temporary thing or has it moved permanently?

  Most of this is covered in more detail in the concurrency 
  screencasthttp://blip.tv/file/812787
 .

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Re: Clojure.org: Concurrency screencast 404

[Alex Miller]

blip.tv killed the Clojure account. Many of the videos were moved to 
YouTube under the ClojureTV account:

http://www.youtube.com/user/ClojureTV

I suspect this is the talk you're referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGVqrGmwOAw

On Monday, December 16, 2013 2:44:53 AM UTC-6, Abhijith wrote:

 Hello,
Concurrency screencast link to blip.tv is throwing a 404. Is this a 
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  Most of this is covered in more detail in the concurrency 
  screencasthttp://blip.tv/file/812787
 .

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Re: What font is used for Clojure on clojure.org?

[Alex Baranosky]

Where I'm from the notion of cider in a champagne glass is a little
ludicrous. =)  But I guess maybe they're thinking of an alcoholic cider,
and I'm thinking more of the winter holiday season spiced warm cider in a
mug??


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 Cider _is_ nrepl.el at this point, essentially, so any screencast
 documenting nrepl.el would get you most of the way there.

 Also, Cider is _unstable_ at this point. I'm still using nrepl 0.2.0
 and it's working fine. I would _not_ recommend upgrading to Cider at
 this point.

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  And what about the screencasts?
 
  On Nov 7, 2013 8:34 AM, Tim Visher tim.vis...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  It's funny that in the comments bbatsov and I have already explored
  this space a bit. :)
 
  It seems like everyone has a different experience of drinking cider.
  I've never drank cider in anything but cups or mugs, and hot cider is
  always served in a mug in my circles. While it seems like other people
  have only ever drank it from champagne glasses. I wonder if this'll be
  a consistent source of confusion. :)
 
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 wrote:
   Is there any screen cast that shows how to use Cider? I would like to
   see it
   in action.
  
   I really liked this logo
  
 https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider/issues/399#issuecomment-27805491
   I
   think it blends the Cider concept with the clojure characters ... the
   other
   are more colorful but really it looks like a coffee mug.
  
   Great Job!
  
   Erlis
  
  
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   Thanks, Tom!
  
   Here's what I did with it:
  
 https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider/issues/399#issuecomment-27878950
  
  
   On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Tom Hickey thic...@gmail.com
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Hi Tim,
   
That is Avenir 65 Medium.
   
Cheers,
Tom Hickey
   
   
On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:06:24 AM UTC-5, Tim Visher wrote:
   
I'm looking for it to incorporate it into a cIDEr logo I'm playing
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Re: What font is used for Clojure on clojure.org?

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Is there any screen cast that shows how to use Cider? I would like to see
it in action.

I really liked this logo
https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider/issues/399#issuecomment-27805491 I
think it blends the Cider concept with the clojure characters ... the other
are more colorful but really it looks like a coffee mug.

Great Job!

Erlis


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 Thanks, Tom!

 Here's what I did with it:
 https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider/issues/399#issuecomment-27878950


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  That is Avenir 65 Medium.
 
  Cheers,
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  On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:06:24 AM UTC-5, Tim Visher wrote:
 
  I'm looking for it to incorporate it into a cIDEr logo I'm playing with.
 
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Re: What font is used for Clojure on clojure.org?

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It's funny that in the comments bbatsov and I have already explored
this space a bit. :)

It seems like everyone has a different experience of drinking cider.
I've never drank cider in anything but cups or mugs, and hot cider is
always served in a mug in my circles. While it seems like other people
have only ever drank it from champagne glasses. I wonder if this'll be
a consistent source of confusion. :)

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Erlis Vidal er...@erlisvidal.com wrote:
 Is there any screen cast that shows how to use Cider? I would like to see it
 in action.

 I really liked this logo
 https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider/issues/399#issuecomment-27805491 I
 think it blends the Cider concept with the clojure characters ... the other
 are more colorful but really it looks like a coffee mug.

 Great Job!

 Erlis


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 Thanks, Tom!

 Here's what I did with it:
 https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider/issues/399#issuecomment-27878950


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  That is Avenir 65 Medium.
 
  Cheers,
  Tom Hickey
 
 
  On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:06:24 AM UTC-5, Tim Visher wrote:
 
  I'm looking for it to incorporate it into a cIDEr logo I'm playing
  with.
 
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Re: What font is used for Clojure on clojure.org?

[Erlis Vidal]

And what about the screencasts?
On Nov 7, 2013 8:34 AM, Tim Visher tim.vis...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's funny that in the comments bbatsov and I have already explored
 this space a bit. :)

 It seems like everyone has a different experience of drinking cider.
 I've never drank cider in anything but cups or mugs, and hot cider is
 always served in a mug in my circles. While it seems like other people
 have only ever drank it from champagne glasses. I wonder if this'll be
 a consistent source of confusion. :)

 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Erlis Vidal er...@erlisvidal.com wrote:
  Is there any screen cast that shows how to use Cider? I would like to
 see it
  in action.
 
  I really liked this logo
  https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider/issues/399#issuecomment-27805491I
  think it blends the Cider concept with the clojure characters ... the
 other
  are more colorful but really it looks like a coffee mug.
 
  Great Job!
 
  Erlis
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Tim Visher tim.vis...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Thanks, Tom!
 
  Here's what I did with it:
  https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider/issues/399#issuecomment-27878950
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Tom Hickey thic...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hi Tim,
  
   That is Avenir 65 Medium.
  
   Cheers,
   Tom Hickey
  
  
   On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:06:24 AM UTC-5, Tim Visher wrote:
  
   I'm looking for it to incorporate it into a cIDEr logo I'm playing
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Re: What font is used for Clojure on clojure.org?

[Tim Visher]

Cider _is_ nrepl.el at this point, essentially, so any screencast
documenting nrepl.el would get you most of the way there.

Also, Cider is _unstable_ at this point. I'm still using nrepl 0.2.0
and it's working fine. I would _not_ recommend upgrading to Cider at
this point.

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Erlis Vidal er...@erlisvidal.com wrote:
 And what about the screencasts?

 On Nov 7, 2013 8:34 AM, Tim Visher tim.vis...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's funny that in the comments bbatsov and I have already explored
 this space a bit. :)

 It seems like everyone has a different experience of drinking cider.
 I've never drank cider in anything but cups or mugs, and hot cider is
 always served in a mug in my circles. While it seems like other people
 have only ever drank it from champagne glasses. I wonder if this'll be
 a consistent source of confusion. :)

 On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Erlis Vidal er...@erlisvidal.com wrote:
  Is there any screen cast that shows how to use Cider? I would like to
  see it
  in action.
 
  I really liked this logo
  https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider/issues/399#issuecomment-27805491
  I
  think it blends the Cider concept with the clojure characters ... the
  other
  are more colorful but really it looks like a coffee mug.
 
  Great Job!
 
  Erlis
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Tim Visher tim.vis...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Thanks, Tom!
 
  Here's what I did with it:
  https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider/issues/399#issuecomment-27878950
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Tom Hickey thic...@gmail.com wrote:
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   That is Avenir 65 Medium.
  
   Cheers,
   Tom Hickey
  
  
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   I'm looking for it to incorporate it into a cIDEr logo I'm playing
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Re: What font is used for Clojure on clojure.org?

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Hi Tim,

That is Avenir 65 Medium.

Cheers,
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