Re: What the hell is going on with the Clojure cheat sheet?

2011-04-05 Thread Aaron Bedra

On 04/05/2011 09:55 AM, Ken Wesson wrote:

I keep a tab parked at the Clojure cheat sheet, and just now I clicked
a link there. When I hit back, instead of the browser displaying the
cheat sheet again, as it should have, it displayed a big block of ads
and other cruft with no cheat sheet in sight!

The cheat sheet web page has apparently been defaced!

It was not defaced, the domain expired.  It is being (or has been 
already) renewed.  As soon as the dns changes propagate back out it will 
come back again.


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Re: What the hell is going on with the Clojure cheat sheet?

2011-04-05 Thread Ken Wesson
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Aaron Bedra aaron.be...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/05/2011 09:55 AM, Ken Wesson wrote:

 I keep a tab parked at the Clojure cheat sheet, and just now I clicked
 a link there. When I hit back, instead of the browser displaying the
 cheat sheet again, as it should have, it displayed a big block of ads
 and other cruft with no cheat sheet in sight!

 The cheat sheet web page has apparently been defaced!

 It was not defaced, the domain expired.

 That cannot be right. This project is not dead enough for the domain
 have been left to lapse, surely?

And why would it come up as a page full of ads (mostly pretty scammy
looking ads, like fake Windows messageboxes and such) instead of a
Host Unknown error?!

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Re: What the hell is going on with the Clojure cheat sheet?

2011-04-05 Thread Ken Wesson
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Aaron Bedra aaron.be...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/05/2011 09:55 AM, Ken Wesson wrote:

 I keep a tab parked at the Clojure cheat sheet, and just now I clicked
 a link there. When I hit back, instead of the browser displaying the
 cheat sheet again, as it should have, it displayed a big block of ads
 and other cruft with no cheat sheet in sight!

 The cheat sheet web page has apparently been defaced!

 It was not defaced, the domain expired.

That cannot be right. This project is not dead enough for the domain
have been left to lapse, surely?

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Re: What the hell is going on with the Clojure cheat sheet?

2011-04-05 Thread Stuart Sierra
Our registrar failed to get updated billing info; see:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clojure/Oa37OufE2rA/discussion

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Re: What the hell is going on with the Clojure cheat sheet?

2011-04-05 Thread Mike Meyer
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:00:28 -0400
Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
 And why would it come up as a page full of ads (mostly pretty scammy
 looking ads, like fake Windows messageboxes and such) instead of a
 Host Unknown error?!

Because the registrar for clojure.org chose to resolve lapsed domain
names to a page that it thinks could make it some money instead of
failing. If you look closely (assuming you can still get the page),
you're liable to find a buy this domain link somewhere on it.

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Re: What the hell is going on with the Clojure cheat sheet?

2011-04-05 Thread Ken Wesson
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Mike Meyer m...@mired.org wrote:
 On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:00:28 -0400
 Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
 And why would it come up as a page full of ads (mostly pretty scammy
 looking ads, like fake Windows messageboxes and such) instead of a
 Host Unknown error?!

 Because the registrar for clojure.org chose to resolve lapsed domain
 names to a page that it thinks could make it some money instead of
 failing. If you look closely (assuming you can still get the page),
 you're liable to find a buy this domain link somewhere on it.

That's pretty evil. Their behavior makes Clojure look unprofessional,
or even hacked, and is confusing to users trying to reach the page.
It's like going to your local mall and finding a big, neon-encrusted
casino or something in its stead, rather than either the mall or a
vacant lot.

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Re: What the hell is going on with the Clojure cheat sheet?

2011-04-05 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
 And why would it come up as a page full of ads (mostly pretty scammy
 looking ads, like fake Windows messageboxes and such) instead of a
 Host Unknown error?!

 Because the registrar for clojure.org chose to resolve lapsed domain
 names to a page that it thinks could make it some money instead of
 failing. If you look closely (assuming you can still get the page),
 you're liable to find a buy this domain link somewhere on it.

 That's pretty evil. Their behavior makes Clojure look unprofessional,
 or even hacked, and is confusing to users trying to reach the page.
 It's like going to your local mall and finding a big, neon-encrusted
 casino or something in its stead, rather than either the mall or a
 vacant lot.

Most domain registrars do that. What fix do you suggest to make
Clojure look more professional?

Regards,
BG

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Re: What the hell is going on with the Clojure cheat sheet?

2011-04-05 Thread Sean Corfield
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's pretty evil. Their behavior makes Clojure look unprofessional,
 or even hacked, and is confusing to users trying to reach the page.

It's pretty standard behavior for domain registrars. I manage a lot of
domains for clients and things like this happen from time to time.

A local hosting company _just_ notified me that the credit cards they
have on file expired for a couple of sites (one of them expired nearly
three years ago!) so I'm working with them - and the clients - to get
updated credit card information and reinstate hosting. If they'd given
me advance warning (like most hosting companies do most of the time),
I would have had time to get everything updated before we had
problems. Generally, that hosting company is pretty good about that.
As Stuart said, this is just one of those little glitches that happens
from time to time.

I'm guessing you haven't had to deal much with domain registration? :)
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Re: What the hell is going on with the Clojure cheat sheet?

2011-04-05 Thread Aaron Bedra

On 04/05/2011 12:53 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Ken Wessonkwess...@gmail.com  wrote:

And why would it come up as a page full of ads (mostly pretty scammy
looking ads, like fake Windows messageboxes and such) instead of a
Host Unknown error?!

Because the registrar for clojure.org chose to resolve lapsed domain
names to a page that it thinks could make it some money instead of
failing. If you look closely (assuming you can still get the page),
you're liable to find a buy this domain link somewhere on it.

That's pretty evil. Their behavior makes Clojure look unprofessional,
or even hacked, and is confusing to users trying to reach the page.
It's like going to your local mall and finding a big, neon-encrusted
casino or something in its stead, rather than either the mall or a
vacant lot.

Most domain registrars do that. What fix do you suggest to make
Clojure look more professional?

Regards,
BG

I think we have moved past the relevant portion of this conversation.  
There was a mistake, it was corrected.  We apologize for any 
inconvenience this has caused.  Since there is an answer to this thread 
let's put it to rest and move on with more important matters.


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Re: What the hell is going on with the Clojure cheat sheet?

2011-04-05 Thread Ken Wesson
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Baishampayan Ghose b.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Ken Wesson kwess...@gmail.com wrote:
 And why would it come up as a page full of ads (mostly pretty scammy
 looking ads, like fake Windows messageboxes and such) instead of a
 Host Unknown error?!

 Because the registrar for clojure.org chose to resolve lapsed domain
 names to a page that it thinks could make it some money instead of
 failing. If you look closely (assuming you can still get the page),
 you're liable to find a buy this domain link somewhere on it.

 That's pretty evil. Their behavior makes Clojure look unprofessional,
 or even hacked, and is confusing to users trying to reach the page.
 It's like going to your local mall and finding a big, neon-encrusted
 casino or something in its stead, rather than either the mall or a
 vacant lot.

 Most domain registrars do that. What fix do you suggest to make
 Clojure look more professional?

Renewing the domain registration *before* it expires in future would
be a start; and using a registrar that won't play dirty tricks and
will just give a clean Host Unknown error page for nonexistent
domains.

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