[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-19 Thread Dusty Mabe

dustymabe added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Discussion in the meeting today and votes in the ticket means we are approving 
jberkus' proposal. the [mailing 
list](https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/atomic.lists.fedoraproject.org/)
 has been created and the irc channel (#fedora-atomic) exists.

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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-19 Thread Dusty Mabe

dustymabe added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
> Sorry if I'm missing context from the IRC #fedora-cloud convo, but isn't the 
> proper place for those discussions in #fedora-releng? Is it worth having a 
> separate channel just for FAH releng? If that's really the case, then maybe 
> the channel should be called #fah-releng instead. Calling it "fedora-atomic" 
> invites discussions that should probably happen in #atomic by the proposal.

The topic in #fedora-atomic points people towards #atomic and we can monitor 
what goes on in there to try to make sure discussions happen in the right place.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-19 Thread Josh Berkus

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@jlebon that was suggested, but @dustymabe really wanted a separate channel, 
and nobody argued against it.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-19 Thread Jonathan Lebon

jlebon added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
> discussions and troubleshooting Fedora build pipeline/releng (bodhi, punji, 
> etc.) for Atomic will be on the new channel #fedora-atomic. Content 
> discussions which start there will get re-directed to #atomic.

Sorry if I'm missing context from the IRC #fedora-cloud convo, but isn't the 
proper place for those discussions in #fedora-releng? Is it worth having a 
separate channel just for FAH releng? If that's really the case, then maybe the 
channel should be called #fah-releng instead. Calling it "fedora-atomic" 
invites discussions that should probably happen in #atomic by the proposal.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-19 Thread Sinny Kumari

sinnykumari added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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+1 to jberkus' proposal.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-19 Thread Adam Miller

maxamillion added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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+1 to jberkus' proposal. :thumbsup: 
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-19 Thread Mike Ruckman

roshi added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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+1 to the @jberkus proposal
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-17 Thread Jason Brooks

jasonbrooks added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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+1 to jberkus' proposal.

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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-17 Thread Joe Brockmeier

jzb added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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+1 to jberkus' proposal. 
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-13 Thread Dusty Mabe

dustymabe added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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> Revised proposal based on discussion on #fedora-cloud:

known as jberkus' proposal

+1 to jberkus' proposal
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-13 Thread Josh Berkus

jberkus added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Revised proposal based on discussion on #fedora-cloud:

Mailing Lists:

* ato...@lists.fedoraproject.org gets created.  This list is for all automated 
messages and cc'd on announcements.   It is not a discussion list; discussions 
on it will be either (a) cc'd to atomic-devel or (b) redirected to a pagure 
issue as appropriate.
* atomic-de...@projectatomic.io will be used for all mailing list discussions.

IRC:

* all discussions of general topics around Fedora Atomic, including contents, 
containerized kube, container reviews, ostree changes, etc, etc. will be on 
#atomic.
* discussions and troubleshooting Fedora build pipeline/releng (bodhi, punji, 
etc.) for Atomic will be on the new channel #fedora-atomic.  Content 
discussions which start there will get re-directed to #atomic.

Works for everyone?
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-13 Thread Josh Berkus

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``
I'll also point out that https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/download/ already 
directs people to ato...@pa.io and #atomic.  This isn't something I changed; 
it's how it was before I started working on Fedora Atomic.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-13 Thread Josh Berkus

jberkus added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
So for the last month, we have only two threads which were NOT automated 
messages (and in the meantime, over 100 automated messages).  One was Stef's 
CI/CD question (which arguably should have been a Pagure issue, and could just 
as easily have been on atomic-devel@), and the other was one call for contianer 
review (which got no responses).  

So the reality is we have two media for communication in the project: IRC, and 
Pagure issues.  The mailing list is NOT used for discussion, materially.  So 
when we're talking about the list, we're really asking "where do automated 
messages go".  And if that's the question, the answer *is* ato...@lists.fp.org. 
 

However, also based on that evidence, I assert that we should be telling people:

discussion and support questions should go to atomic-devel@pa OR should be 
filed as issues on pagure, because that's where they'll get responses.

Hence my proposal, above.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-13 Thread Jason Brooks

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The atomic-specific bits of each atomic host are very close. The questions 
relating to each, including things like enabling gpg sig verification or 
mirroring ostree content, generally apply to both centos and fedora atomic. You 
can run centos or fedora-based containers on both hosts, rpm ostree issues 
apply to both, etc.

I really like the idea of bringing our "atomic" communities closer together, of 
having a main place to hang out and field q's that's more focused.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-13 Thread Josh Berkus

jberkus added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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@mattdm well, the contributors use email, so we need *something* for them to 
use.  

Or do we?  I'm going to do an examination of traffic on cloud@.  I'm willing to 
bet that I'll find out that 90% of the traffic is automated messages.  Given 
that, we could have those messages go pretty much *anywhere*.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller

mattdm added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
So, thinking back to "These folks generally prefer not to use "antiquated" 
media like email and IRC at all", maybe the answer is _not a mailing list at 
all_? I've been thinking of spinning up Discourse instance in OpenShift (either 
the Fedora instance or OpenShift Online) to replace Ask, and maybe we could use 
a second one for this.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-13 Thread Josh Berkus

jberkus added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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Given the level of traffic on atomic@, those could be combined, frankly.  And I 
think it would get questions on atomic@ answered faster.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-13 Thread Dusty Mabe

dustymabe added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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> ... but what if their question is actually about rpm-ostree, or the Atomic 
> CLI, once we get the details?  Then we have to shunt them to another list.  
> This is a bad experience for people new to the community.  do you follow?

What do you do if someone asks a question on the `atomic` mailing list that 
should have been asked on `atomic-devel` ? By your same reasoning these two 
mailing lists should be combined as well, unless I am missing something. 
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-13 Thread Josh Berkus

jberkus added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
... but what if their question is actually about rpm-ostree, or the Atomic CLI, 
once we get the details?  Then we have to shunt them to another list.  This is 
a bad experience for people new to the community.  do you follow?
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Dusty Mabe

dustymabe added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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> "if a new participant/user/fedora packager wants to start a discussion about 
> Fedora Atomic, where do we direct them?"

since you asked that specific question, I would say `ato...@lists.fp.o`.

If you had asked a different question the answer might be different. I honestly 
don't think there is a magic answer to solving confusion everywhere on this 
front, but do think the existing setup where we re-use *cloud* assets needs to 
change. 
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Josh Berkus

jberkus added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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@dustymabe, @mattdm 

One question is, "if a new participant/user/fedora packager wants to start a 
discussion about Fedora Atomic, where do we direct them?"  If we can answer 
that, we can decide what to do with the mailing lists.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Dusty Mabe

dustymabe added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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> I am opposed to both having a new list and especially to having a new IRC 
> channel.

> Let me explain the main reason for my opposition, followed by some detail on 
> IRC vs. ML.

> A lot of the container audience is new developers and devops people.  These 
> folks generally prefer not to use "antiquated" media like email and IRC at 
> all (mostly they use slack and github issues).  We really want to reach this 
> sector as users and potential contributors.  It's bad enough that we're 
> asking them to join a mailing list or an IRC channel at all; asking them to 
> join multiple lists and channels is an automatic "Forget it, I'll use 
> something else".

damn kids - honestly whatever channel they want to join would have someone in 
it who could help them. Maybe #fedora-atomic can just have discussions related 
to atomic + releng/infra.

> Now, for the IRC channel, it's a fact today that #fedora-cloud and #atomic 
> are used almost interchangeably by the contributors to Atomic Host and its 
> underlying tech.  I've seen CAH, CLI and rpm-ostree discussions on 
> #fedora-cloud, and I've seen Fedora Atomic build discussions on #atomic.  
> Given that, we should stop confusing new users and simply have One Big 
> Channel with all things Atomic, which would be channel #atomic.

Yeah honestly people move around when there is more than one conversation going 
on at a time. That's probably why you've seen cross talk. Having one big 
channel wouldn't help that.

> The mailing list is more complicated.  If you look at the traffic on cloud 
> @lists.fedoraproject, you'll see that 80% of the traffic is automated notices 
> of some kind.  My proposal is that we:
> a. Move all discussion traffic to atomic-devel @projectatomic.io
> b. Create a new list, atomic @list.fp, which is exclusively for automated 
> notices

I guess something like that could work. I don't really think it makes things 
any less confusing to users than if we had the same setup we do today but with 
s/fedora-cloud/fedora-atomic.

> While this seems like a fine difference from Dusty's proposal, the 
> distinction is important. Again, like #atomic, there is no clear distinction 
> between what discussion belongs on atomic-devel vs. cloud @fedora, and as a 
> result discussions end up getting crossed over or sent to both.  This is very 
> confusing to new community participants, especially if they're only 
> subscribed to one of the lists.

I completely agree with you for atomic-devel vs fedora-cloud, but atomic-devel 
vs fedora-atomic would be something like this:

fedora-atomic: anything fedora specific (i.e. *enable gpg sig verification in 
Fedora 26* or *enable mirroring ostree content*)
atomic-devel: anything not fedora specific (i.e. *rpm-ostree livefs new 
feature* or *PAPR project for pull request testing*)

> Second, by making the list split discussion vs. notices, we allow people to 
> join in the discussion without requiring them to receive all of the automated 
> notices.

TBH the issue tracker is where we are having discussions these days. I don't 
tend to go back to old mailing list discussions and fire it back up. Usually I 
try to link to a mailing list disucssion from/to an issue tracker to prove a 
point and then continue discussion there or do associated work, etc..

I'm not opposed to your proposal. Just want to voice my concerns.

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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Matthew Miller

mattdm added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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I don't think we want to direct all Fedora-related Atomic development 
discussion to projectatomic.io -- I don't think that's very discoverable for 
people in the Fedora community and will lead to confusion about 1) Fedora 
Atomic Host as an Edition and 2) whether Fedora community people in general are 
welcome to participate or need to go through some special hoops. I think it 
will decrease participation from areas like Docs, Marketing, and Ambassadors, 
right when we need to build that up.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Josh Berkus

jberkus added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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I am opposed to both having a new list and especially to having a new IRC 
channel.

Let me explain the main reason for my opposition, followed by some detail on 
IRC vs. ML.

A lot of the container audience is new developers and devops people.  These 
folks generally prefer not to use "antiquated" media like email and IRC at all 
(mostly they use slack and github issues).  We really want to reach this sector 
as users and potential contributors.  It's bad enough that we're asking them to 
join a mailing list or an IRC channel at all; asking them to join *multiple* 
lists and channels is an automatic "Forget it, I'll use something else".

Now, for the IRC channel, it's a fact today that #fedora-cloud and #atomic are 
used almost interchangeably by the contributors to Atomic Host and its 
underlying tech.  I've seen CAH, CLI and rpm-ostree discussions on 
#fedora-cloud, and I've seen Fedora Atomic build discussions on #atomic.  Given 
that, we should stop confusing new users and simply have One Big Channel with 
all things Atomic, which would be channel #atomic.

The mailing list is more complicated.  If you look at the traffic on 
cloud@lists.fedoraproject, you'll see that 80% of the traffic is automated 
notices of some kind.  My proposal is that we:

a. Move all *discussion* traffic to atomic-de...@projectatomic.io
b. Create a new list, ato...@list.fp, which is exclusively for automated notices

While this seems like a fine difference from Dusty's proposal, the distinction 
is important. Again, like #atomic, there is no clear distinction between what 
discussion belongs on atomic-devel vs. cloud@fedora, and as a result 
discussions end up getting crossed over or sent to both.  This is very 
confusing to new community participants, especially if they're only subscribed 
to one of the lists.

Second, by making the list split discussion vs. notices, we allow people to 
join in the discussion without requiring them to receive all of the automated 
notices.

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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Sinny Kumari

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+1 . A common place to discuss anything related to Fedora Atomic
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Adam Miller

maxamillion added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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I'm +1 to this

Also note, that I created `ato...@lists.fedoraproject.org` months ago and 
discussed it at one of the meetings but we never really moved over. It's there, 
it's just "inactive" because there's been zero email to it so the Hyperkitty 
webUI hides it by default in the UI.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Joe Brockmeier

jzb added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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+1
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Micah Abbott

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+1
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Yu Qi Zhang

yzhang added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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Makes sense, +1
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-12 Thread Jason Brooks

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+1
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-06 Thread Josh Boyer

jwboyer added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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> 
> To clarify, does atomic   @lists.fedoraproject.org actually exist now, or 
> would that be a new list request?  I can't find it on 
> lists.fedoraproject.org, so I'm assuming the latter.
> 
> it exists now but I would prefer people not sign up for the list until we 
> make a decision.

Yeah, I found it with some more digging.  Hyperkitty is not... helpful.
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-06 Thread Dusty Mabe

dustymabe added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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> There was a discussion before about moving Cloud Base under Server; that 
> makes some sense to me.  Then we could cleanly close the cloud@ list and 
> really in general stop talking about Cloud, which reduces confusion.  
> Discussion for Project Atomic moves to @atomic, cloud base moves to server@.

those discussions mostly stopped as we don't see much reason to change the 
cloud base image from what it currently is - a reasonable base for 
bootstrapping whatever cloud server you may want to run. The cloud-sig will be 
a smaller group of people, but with a goal of delivering a base image in the 
same way we have been doing in the past: http://pagure.io/cloud-sig. 
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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-06 Thread Colin Walters

walters added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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There was a discussion before about moving Cloud Base under Server; that makes 
some sense to me.  Then we could cleanly close the cloud@ list and really in 
general stop talking about Cloud.  Discussion for Project Atomic moves to 
`@atomic`, cloud base moves to `server@`.

If one views Cloud as "traditional dnf" or "not containerized", it's very 
quickly going to run up against the Modularity reality and hence what Server is 
doing.

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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-06 Thread Dusty Mabe

dustymabe added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
> To clarify, does atomic  @lists.fedoraproject.org actually exist now, or 
> would that be a new list request?  I can't find it on 
> lists.fedoraproject.org, so I'm assuming the latter.

it exists now but I would prefer people not sign up for the list until we make 
a decision. 
``

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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-06 Thread Josh Boyer

jwboyer added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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To clarify, does atomic @lists.fedoraproject.org actually exist now, or would 
that be a new list request?  I can't find it on lists.fedoraproject.org, so I'm 
assuming the latter.
``

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[atomic-wg] Issue #295: Start using new mailing list/IRC channel around f26 release time

2017-07-06 Thread Dusty Mabe

dustymabe reported a new issue against the project: `atomic-wg` that you are 
following:
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There is plenty of confusion still to be had around the previous form of the 
cloud working group and what the atomic working group is today. This is 
compounded by the fact that we still use the cloud mailing list and the 
#fedora-cloud IRC channel. While it may be inconvenient for those of us that 
want to follow both the fedora cloud base image and the fedora atomic group, I 
think it would benefit users/contributors if we more clearly delineated between 
cloud and atomic.

Let's discuss/vote on using #fedora-atomic on freenode as well as the 
ato...@lists.fedoraproject.org mailing list?

Note - The cloud base image has not gone anywhere. It will still be managed by 
the cloud-sig http://pagure.io/cloud-sig. 
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