Re: Stus-List Jabsco Shower Sump Pump Replacement
This is the newer (and cheaper) model of my original pump. http://www.amazon.com/AMRS-2901-0213-Shurflo-Junior-Fresh-Water/dp/B00NJU3K1E Here is the replacement pump. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--4-0-washdown-pump-kit--13997978 The original was marketed as a potable water pump and may be used for general water transfer. The replacement has worked for 2 seasons now. Josh On Mar 9, 2015 8:00 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Usually, if the diaphragm isn't ruptured, the problem is a little bit of dirt or hair in the intake or outlet valves. Definitely worth taking it apart for a looksee first. Ken H. On 9 March 2015 at 18:03, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I've got a Jabsco 36970, 2.8gpm diaphragm pump for emptying out the shower sump in the head of our 30-2.Similar to this one: http://www.westmarine.com/buy/jabsco--diaphragm-bilge-pump-4gpm-3-4-port--109951 It hasn't worked since got the boat (gets juice, piston moves up and down, but no suction. I took it off the boat this weekend but haven't had a chance to open it up yet. I presume it needs a service kit, but they are $99 USD at defender. Which seems like a lot of $ for rubber for a 25 yo pump. Question is: Is there an alternative pump that I might consider purchasing (other than a hand pump) that would work for very occasionally pumping out a shower sump? Ideally cheaper is better. Thanks ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Lubricant for stiff rudder CC32
I want to add another possibility on this subject--the problem may simply be a small misalignment of the upper bearing which is bolted to the deck. I had this problem on my Landfall 38 and didn't find it until I had replaced my rudder (thinking that it was a bent rudder shaft). The bolts on the upper bearing can simply be loosened and the bearing moved laterally until the resistance disappears and then the bolts retightened. It cost me a lot of money to ultimately find this! Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Jabsco Shower Sump Pump Replacement
To add to Ken's possibility of dirt, the rubber can also lose it's flexibility and take on a set. As for spending $100 dollars on a rebuild kit... it seems like a low percentage of the replacement cost. My dewatering pump was a tri-plex diaphram style and it stopped pumping because of the diaphrams loosing flex. Being mid voyage I needed a solution last night, literally. My poor wife stood there half covered in soap for 10-15 minutes before I gave up trying to fix the pump. Deck showers in 40° spring air are not the sought after adventures she was looking for. At the next port we promptly found a West Marine which had a special on deck washdown kits. A quick comparison showed that it was a similar pump design to what we already had with a higher volume PSI, and lower price than it's counterparts on the shelf. Coincidentally $99. And it came with a coil hose, pistol grip spray handle, and quick disconnects all around. The wash down pump was a comfortable fit with no significant challenges. It is a bit louder than the original which was labeled ShurQuiet made by Shur pumps. Once we got home and had time, I found the original pump cost $~240 which made buying the rebuild kit for $65 a pretty easy decision. I've since been considering reusing it as a low volume bildge pump for removing the small amount of water that gets left by the Rule 500. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mar 9, 2015 8:00 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Usually, if the diaphragm isn't ruptured, the problem is a little bit of dirt or hair in the intake or outlet valves. Definitely worth taking it apart for a looksee first. Ken H. On 9 March 2015 at 18:03, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I've got a Jabsco 36970, 2.8gpm diaphragm pump for emptying out the shower sump in the head of our 30-2.Similar to this one: http://www.westmarine.com/buy/jabsco--diaphragm-bilge-pump-4gpm-3-4-port--109951 It hasn't worked since got the boat (gets juice, piston moves up and down, but no suction. I took it off the boat this weekend but haven't had a chance to open it up yet. I presume it needs a service kit, but they are $99 USD at defender. Which seems like a lot of $ for rubber for a 25 yo pump. Question is: Is there an alternative pump that I might consider purchasing (other than a hand pump) that would work for very occasionally pumping out a shower sump? Ideally cheaper is better. Thanks ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Jabsco Shower Sump Pump Replacement
Have you tried cleaning both the brass pick up in the shower basin as well as the screened filter plumbed in just before the pump? Works every time for me. Allan30-2 #90 From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 5:03 PM Subject: Stus-List Jabsco Shower Sump Pump Replacement I've got a Jabsco 36970, 2.8gpm diaphragm pump for emptying out the shower sump in the head of our 30-2.Similar to this one: http://www.westmarine.com/buy/jabsco--diaphragm-bilge-pump-4gpm-3-4-port--109951 It hasn't worked since got the boat (gets juice, piston moves up and down, but no suction. I took it off the boat this weekend but haven't had a chance to open it up yet. I presume it needs a service kit, but they are $99 USD at defender. Which seems like a lot of $ for rubber for a 25 yo pump. Question is: Is there an alternative pump that I might consider purchasing (other than a hand pump) that would work for very occasionally pumping out a shower sump? Ideally cheaper is better. Thanks ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Garhauer Sheet Lead System
Thanks Rick for the detailed explanation. I can send you a pic of how I laid it out before installation, so you can see what I mean. This is most helpful. Thanks, Alex Alex Giannelia a...@airsensing.com +1 (416) 203-9858 Office +1 (416) 529-0070 Mobile www.airsensing.com -Original Message- From: Rick Brass [mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net] Sent: March-09-15 11:13 PM To: Alex Giannelia; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List Garhauer Sheet Lead System Alex; If I recall from earlier posts, your boat is about a 35. So I presume you have a set of Garhauer EZ-G2 adjustable cars. This is the car that has a stand up ball bearing block that swivels as the sheet lead changes. And I can see where it could be called a single sheet lead system. There is also an EZ G3 system. That has a non-swiveling block on the car that can lean outward at about 45 degrees off vertical to allow for changing sheet lead, and since the block is wider you could probably run two sheets through the block. Since this is the big boat configuration for higher sheet loads, I suspect the larger block is to accommodate larger diameter sheets, but it should also do for double sheets. Since you ask the question, I presume that you are planning to race the boat and will be doing a fair number of headsail changes. And the double sheet car would let you thread the sheets for the new sail before the hoist and extract the sheets from the old sail after the drop. If you have roller furling there is almost no need to change the sheets as you furl, you just adjust the car. I have a G2 system on my 38 (and a G1 on my 25). I now have roller furling and I quite like the flexibility of the block. When I'm furled down to 100 or 110%, the car goes forward to 3 or 4 feet behind the shrouds, and the block leans over and turns out to accommodate the sheet. When I'm reaching or running and have the sail let out, there is nothing for the sheet to rub against (OK, except the upper lifeline). I had concerns about the sheet rubbing on the outside face of the block in the G3 system. While I still had the headfoil in Imzadi and was racing, I can only recall one time I actually changed the headsail during a race. We went from the number 1 to the number 2 as conditions changed during a distance race. We hoisted the #2 inside the #1 and swapped the lazy sheets. Then we tacked and put the #1 inside the #2 and swapped the lazy sheets after the #1 was down. Probably not the optimum or quickest way to do it, but it worked for us. The tracks on both my boats run from a few inches ahead of the primary winches to a couple of feet behind the shrouds. You've not indicated how long your tracks are. My 38 used to have a #3 with a reef to make it a #4. Call it 100% to maybe 80%. When it is blowing hard enough to use the #4, I've not been beating hard into the wind and waves. Footed off a bit to accommodate the conditions, having the car 3 feet or so aft of the shrouds was not a problem. I don't believe I've ever pulled the car all the way forward on the track (except when cleaning the deck or reeving a new towline). Ditto on my 25. I flew the 65% storm jib one time, just to see how to rig it in case I ever needed to do it. I don't think I needed the car all the way forward even then - but I wasn't trying to sail at 32 degrees apparent, either. My boats are both rigged with the swivel cleat on the aft end of the genoa track. I'm sure that there is friction on the tow line where it passes the inboard side of the car, but it has never been a problem. Most of the time it isn't even noticeable because, whatever friction there is, when pulling the car forward you are overcoming several hundred pounds of load on the sheets and a bit of resistance due to friction is hardly significant. One of the things you will need to do to make the line adjustable cars work easily is to route your sheet through a turning block on the way to the winch. The objective is to keep the sheet almost level with the deck as it goes aft from the car. That way the load on the sheet between the car and the clew of the sail will tend to push the car aft when you ease the tow line. If you go from clew to car to winch, the load on the aft part of the line angling up to the winch will tend to force the car forward and it will be hard to get the car aft when you need foot of the sail to be really flat. If you are interested, I can send a couple of photos of my arrangement to you off the list. Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia via CnC-List Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 6:32 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Garhauer Sheet Lead System Hi folks, Long time since I was on the list. Finally launched the boat after 7.5 years on the hard and got sailing a few times last summer and now I am
Stus-List bottom paint
I have been told that Ameron ABC #4 is the closest paint to Micron 66 available in Canada. Bob Abbott believes it is more like Micron CSC and that Dwight Veinot uses it on Aliana. Anybody else have comparisons or experiences with these particular paints? I have used VC Offshore and Micron CSC over the past 10 years or so and found that VC Offshore faster but fouls more quickly than Micron CSC and that both slime up especially in the Fall. The antifouling properties I have been told Micron 66 has are a big interest for me as it reduces or eliminates haulouts to scrub or hiring a diver Mike Persistence ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint
I am in the same marina as Dwight Veniot and I did use Amercoat #4 for several years. As an antifouling agent it works very well but I found it to be too ablative for my boat which sails about 1000nm per season. After a power wash in the fall, the hull would be nearly bare. Since that time, I have switched to micron CSC which holds up much better and sometimes just needs a brokers touch up rather than a full coat each year. Therefore, I think any cost savings you will get with the Amercoat are offset by just going with CSC.___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint
Mike For antifouling properties do you find CSC as good as Amercoat #4? It is the fouling that occurs on Micron CSC that I am trying to get away from Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of mike amirault via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint I am in the same marina as Dwight Veniot and I did use Amercoat #4 for several years. As an antifouling agent it works very well but I found it to be too ablative for my boat which sails about 1000nm per season. After a power wash in the fall, the hull would be nearly bare. Since that time, I have switched to micron CSC which holds up much better and sometimes just needs a brokers touch up rather than a full coat each year. Therefore, I think any cost savings you will get with the Amercoat are offset by just going with CSC. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List bottom paint story
Some years back, my brother and I were campaigning our Kirby 25we used Micron CSCjust before this weekend regatta, we hauled the K25 on our club's 5 ton crane to give the bottom a cleaning. Day one on the long spin run to the finish line, there was a CC 37R just to leeward and a few boat lengths behind us.they could not pass us not matter what they did. We were in different fleets but on the same course to the finish line. As it turned out, the 37R had a dirty bottom.not sure what paint they were using, but their bottom was definitely slowing them down and they knew it. They next morning, the owner had a diver cleaning the bottom before the Sunday afternoon race. Fortunately or unfortunately, we didn't get to hook up that pm to see how much of a difference the bottom cleaning made on the 37R. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. Bob told me about Micron 66 repeatedly and showed me Azura bottom in December. It is how he described. I have used Micron CSC, VC Offshore and whatever came on our boat last year (similar to CSC). I would haul Nut Case at least three times per year (could use a crane so was cheap). 1^st time would be mid July at a race week after in water for 1.5 months – bottom looked clean but scrubbed anyway. 2^nd time Labour day weekend at beginning September when we brought the boat back to Halifax from its summer location on Northumberland Strait. There would be some slime and whatever it is that grows on the flat undersides in a star shaped pattern. Last haulout would be end of October in Halifax after sitting on a mooring in NW Arm approx. 150 feet from Bob’s boat. Would be slime and also grass growing on the vertical surfaces. This mattered not weather Micron CSC or VC Offshore. Last year Persistence came with another manufacturer version of Micron CSC. Was launched in June, hauled mid July to work on Transducers, hauled Sept 8 to work on propeller shaft, relaunched Sept 19 and hauled 1^st week November. Was dirty on each haulout. When I compare my experiences with Bob’s on Azura with Micron 66 I cannot conceive using Micron CSC. The pain of obtaining Micron 66 has made me consider Ameron ABC #4 because a 1D35 in our area has been using for 10 years and owners say it is closest thing to Micron 66 available in Canada. They insist it is closer to Micron 66 in its properties than to Micron CSC. All of the above are racing paints and that is also a consideration even though we now sail a Winnebago Mike Persistence *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *robert via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:05 AM *To:* mike amirault; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List bottom paint I had no complaints using Micron CSCused it for about 12 yearsa few years back, I had the opportunity to buy a few gallons of Micron 66 for $100 per gallon. I read about its effectiveness in dealing with 'slime'.the biocides in it I guess which are not in CSC. And 2 1/2 gallons for $250, how could I refuse. AZURA logs close to 1,000nm per season and when the boat is hauled in October, it does not need a bottom cleaning and/or pressure wash. The bottom looks pretty much the same as it did when given a light coat of 66 in the Spring. I have used 66 for 3 seasons now.I dilute it about 10% to make rolling it on easier. I am usually applying antifouling paint around +10C and the little extra solvent makes rolling it on easier and it the paint seems to go farther. The boat could go back in the water this Spring with no attention to the bottom, however, it will get another diluted, light coat. A few other club members have witnessed the effectiveness of 66 on my boat and have switched from whatever they were using. They all get it when they drive to the USA. I asked the Binnacle here why they don't carry it..they said it too much trouble getting all the govt approvals because of the biocides in the 66. I don't race AZURA so it really doesn't matter what's on its bottom as long as it is not mussels and barnacles and other similar marine growth. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N. On 2015-03-10 10:39 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List wrote: I am in the same marina as Dwight Veniot and I did use Amercoat #4 for several years. As an antifouling agent it works very well but I found it to be too ablative for my boat which sails about 1000nm per season. After a power wash in the fall, the hull would be nearly bare. Since that time, I have switched to micron CSC which holds up much better and sometimes just needs a brokers touch up rather than a full coat each year. Therefore, I think any cost savings you will get with the Amercoat are offset by justing with CSC. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To
Re: Stus-List bottom paint
I had no complaints using Micron CSCused it for about 12 yearsa few years back, I had the opportunity to buy a few gallons of Micron 66 for $100 per gallon. I read about its effectiveness in dealing with 'slime'.the biocides in it I guess which are not in CSC. And 2 1/2 gallons for $250, how could I refuse. AZURA logs close to 1,000nm per season and when the boat is hauled in October, it does not need a bottom cleaning and/or pressure wash. The bottom looks pretty much the same as it did when given a light coat of 66 in the Spring. I have used 66 for 3 seasons now.I dilute it about 10% to make rolling it on easier. I am usually applying antifouling paint around +10C and the little extra solvent makes rolling it on easier and it the paint seems to go farther. The boat could go back in the water this Spring with no attention to the bottom, however, it will get another diluted, light coat. A few other club members have witnessed the effectiveness of 66 on my boat and have switched from whatever they were using. They all get it when they drive to the USA. I asked the Binnacle here why they don't carry it..they said it too much trouble getting all the govt approvals because of the biocides in the 66. I don't race AZURA so it really doesn't matter what's on its bottom as long as it is not mussels and barnacles and other similar marine growth. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N. On 2015-03-10 10:39 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List wrote: I am in the same marina as Dwight Veniot and I did use Amercoat #4 for several years. As an antifouling agent it works very well but I found it to be too ablative for my boat which sails about 1000nm per season. After a power wash in the fall, the hull would be nearly bare. Since that time, I have switched to micron CSC which holds up much better and sometimes just needs a brokers touch up rather than a full coat each year. Therefore, I think any cost savings you will get with the Amercoat are offset by justing with CSC. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List paper charts question
Chart kits are OK. PDF print on demand charts are OK. The laminated fishing sites chart is OK. Electronic is not OK. And the hard part is going to be updated to the latest Local Notice to Mariners, if it ever becomes an issue. Personally I think the spirit of the requirement isnt backup if your GPS goes out. The backup to GPS is a second GPS. Heck, I bought two perfectly good Magellan handheld GPS units for my ditch bag for $10 at a marine yard sale last year. The spirit of the requirement is backup if your boat gets hit by lightning or some other catastrophe that deprives you of electric power. And in any event, having some sort of paper chart just makes sense. Your IPad, smart phone, or expensive plotter with a 12 screen will show you in great detail what is ½ mile in front of you. But it wont show you the reef 5 miles ahead. To see the bigger picture, you need the paper chart. Remember the conversation started because the VOR boat did not see, on their chart plotter, a reef that covered 500 square miles on a chart. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:22 PM To: Chuck S; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List paper charts question Chartkits are paper charts...aren't they? They are just a bunch of charts all bound together in a book. The spirit of the requirement is to ensure that you aren't flying blind if the GPS goes out. NOAA has PDF versions that you could print out. Pretty sure they would count too. Remember there is also a requirement to have Chart 1 which is basically a map legend. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List paper charts question
ECDIS is the chart plotter on steroids that you would find on a cruise ship or tanker. Very elaborate, very expensive. Probably more expensive than my boat – likely more than both put together. And you need a special USCG credential to operate one. To find the requirements for charts you need to search the COLREGS and CFRs, as I recall. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Davin via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:37 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List paper charts question I don't think USCG requires paper charts, at least based on what this Google search turns up: https://www.google.com/search?q=us+coast+guard+requirements+paper+charts http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg553/NAVStandards/ECDIS.asp They don't say what adequate backup arrangements to an ECDIS (electronic chart display) are, but I would guess a second ECDIS would suffice? Also doesn't say what meets their requirements for an ECDIS, but probably most decent GPS displays I would think. The policy has been around since 2004. The rationale they included seems to indicate they passed it to relieve people of the expense + storage of paper charts: the ECDIS meets the same navigational safety concerns as do paper nautical charts. This policy benefits the ship owner and operator by relieving them of the need to unnecessarily duplicate equipment.” On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:56 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net To: Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com mailto:dave.god...@me.com , CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:48:05 + (UTC) Subject: Stus-List paper charts question For us in US, I believe the Coast Guard requires paper charts be on board? I'm always worried if I get boarded, they might not accept my 1986 chartkits. Has that changed? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
Myself and 10 other crew helped Derek Hatfield sail his Volvo 60 1,700 nm from Halifax to Antigua just over a year ago. Fortunately we hit no reefs, though we did run aground (under power) on the way into Jolly Harbour in Antigua. The boat has a long spade keel with a bulb at the bottom and carries about 12 ft of draft. Our top speed on our trip was about 22 knots, the most I had at the helm was 18 knots. At that kind of speed it's incredible there weren't serious personal injuries from the reef grounding situation. Bodies must have gone flying . . . On a side note it is not pleasant to be off-shift on that boat in tropical weather. There is no cabin ventilation whatsoever due to constant wash and spray, it's very hot inside. Cheers Steve Hood S/V Diamond Girl CC 34 Lions Head ON -- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 20:22:07 + From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com To: CnC cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report Message-ID: 54ff53a2.6f12320a.7e17.6...@mx.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vesta s-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn -from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqa t=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I?ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I?m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150310/5a 110336/attachment-0001.html -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Jabsco Shower Sump Pump Replacement
I replaced the original Jabsco pump (and the hoses) for my shower drain a long time ago. For ease of carrying spares and parts, I use the same ShurFlo pump model on my fresh water system, my deck wash, and my shower drain/icebox pumpout. The ShurFlo is a lot quieter than the Jabsco. (I installed av3-way valve that lets me draw from the shower drain or my icebox and pump overboard.) I also recently changed the plastic shower drain pickup because it was badly deteriorated after 30+ years of service. The only one I could find was all brass/bronze and it was costly. Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Jabsco Shower Sump Pump Replacement
Did you price kit at Depco Pumps? Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I've got a Jabsco 36970, 2.8gpm diaphragm pump for emptying out the shower sump in the head of our 30-2.Similar to this one: http://www.westmarine.com/buy/jabsco--diaphragm-bilge-pump-4gpm-3-4-port--109951 It hasn't worked since got the boat (gets juice, piston moves up and down, but no suction. I took it off the boat this weekend but haven't had a chance to open it up yet. I presume it needs a service kit, but they are $99 USD at defender. Which seems like a lot of $ for rubber for a 25 yo pump. Question is: Is there an alternative pump that I might consider purchasing (other than a hand pump) that would work for very occasionally pumping out a shower sump? Ideally cheaper is better. Thanks ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint
Bob told me about Micron 66 repeatedly and showed me Azura bottom in December. It is how he described. I have used Micron CSC, VC Offshore and whatever came on our boat last year (similar to CSC). I would haul Nut Case at least three times per year (could use a crane so was cheap). 1st time would be mid July at a race week after in water for 1.5 months - bottom looked clean but scrubbed anyway. 2nd time Labour day weekend at beginning September when we brought the boat back to Halifax from its summer location on Northumberland Strait. There would be some slime and whatever it is that grows on the flat undersides in a star shaped pattern. Last haulout would be end of October in Halifax after sitting on a mooring in NW Arm approx. 150 feet from Bob's boat. Would be slime and also grass growing on the vertical surfaces. This mattered not weather Micron CSC or VC Offshore. Last year Persistence came with another manufacturer version of Micron CSC. Was launched in June, hauled mid July to work on Transducers, hauled Sept 8 to work on propeller shaft, relaunched Sept 19 and hauled 1st week November. Was dirty on each haulout. When I compare my experiences with Bob's on Azura with Micron 66 I cannot conceive using Micron CSC. The pain of obtaining Micron 66 has made me consider Ameron ABC #4 because a 1D35 in our area has been using for 10 years and owners say it is closest thing to Micron 66 available in Canada. They insist it is closer to Micron 66 in its properties than to Micron CSC. All of the above are racing paints and that is also a consideration even though we now sail a Winnebago Mike Persistence From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:05 AM To: mike amirault; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint I had no complaints using Micron CSCused it for about 12 yearsa few years back, I had the opportunity to buy a few gallons of Micron 66 for $100 per gallon. I read about its effectiveness in dealing with 'slime'.the biocides in it I guess which are not in CSC. And 2 1/2 gallons for $250, how could I refuse. AZURA logs close to 1,000nm per season and when the boat is hauled in October, it does not need a bottom cleaning and/or pressure wash. The bottom looks pretty much the same as it did when given a light coat of 66 in the Spring. I have used 66 for 3 seasons now.I dilute it about 10% to make rolling it on easier. I am usually applying antifouling paint around +10C and the little extra solvent makes rolling it on easier and it the paint seems to go farther. The boat could go back in the water this Spring with no attention to the bottom, however, it will get another diluted, light coat. A few other club members have witnessed the effectiveness of 66 on my boat and have switched from whatever they were using. They all get it when they drive to the USA. I asked the Binnacle here why they don't carry it..they said it too much trouble getting all the govt approvals because of the biocides in the 66. I don't race AZURA so it really doesn't matter what's on its bottom as long as it is not mussels and barnacles and other similar marine growth. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N. On 2015-03-10 10:39 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List wrote: I am in the same marina as Dwight Veniot and I did use Amercoat #4 for several years. As an antifouling agent it works very well but I found it to be too ablative for my boat which sails about 1000nm per season. After a power wash in the fall, the hull would be nearly bare. Since that time, I have switched to micron CSC which holds up much better and sometimes just needs a brokers touch up rather than a full coat each year. Therefore, I think any cost savings you will get with the Amercoat are offset by justing with CSC. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List paper charts question
Paper charts “for the area being navigated” and “Updated to the latest Local Notice To Mariners” are required on any vessel carrying passengers. What carrying passengers means is subject to interpretation. Strictly speaking it means the owner, operator, or skipper has received some “valuable consideration” from the passenger. Whether a case of beer or filling the fuel tank is valuable consideration probably depends on the circumstances and how excessively persnickety you are in applying the letter of the law. “Charts”, btw, means paper to the USCG. Electronic charts don’t count except for some technologies not found on boats like ours. The same applies for the other required items like a Coast Pilot and a Light List. BTW, the “valuable consideration” thing also means you are supposed to have a USCG license of some sort if you are operating the vessel. But the Coasties are even less likely to get their nickers in a knot if you are just out for a leisure sail with a couple of buddies. You are also required to have charts aboard a boat larger than a certain size, as I recall. I think that is larger than 65 feet in length. My defense against my own electronic charts and old chart books (1986? Really?), and against whatever the owner happens to have on a boat I am delivering, is to print out a set of the free, print-on-demand Booklet Charts. They can be downloaded from NOAA and printed on your home printer, and they are always up to date with the latest LNM. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 6:48 PM To: Dave Godwin; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Stus-List paper charts question For us in US, I believe the Coast Guard requires paper charts be on board? I'm always worried if I get boarded, they might not accept my 1986 chartkits. Has that changed? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint
I used the Micron ablative paints in South Florida about 11 years ago. They're not good for the subtropics. Growth is quick, and the bottom is near impossible to clean in the water, unless you like being covered in toxic chemicals. Petite Trinidad is the way to go here. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO Original message From: mike amirault via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date:03/10/2015 8:24 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint Yes, I find CSC equally effective. It does depend on where you keep your boat, though, some areas tend to attract more fuzz than others. This may be the case for Dwight who is located way up the head of St Margarets bay.___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Breaker panels
I bought these to replace the worn phillips head screws on my breaker panels: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ONZW96/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8psc=1 Easy to drill and tap the existing holes to fit. -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Jabsco Shower Sump Pump Replacement
Well I took it apart and there was no clog (in any of the lines, pick up etc) and rubber looked serviceable but is stiff and probably why it's not pulling. In lieu of the $100 replacement parts, I am likely to take the advice and replace it with a small Rule bilge pump assuming I have the clearance to fit it. I hesitate to run it into the bilge unless I need to though I am not above this solution. If anyone needs a good diapraghm pump in need of a rebuild, let me know and I will swing you a deal. Thanks, Kevin 30-2 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015, 5:00 PM Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com wrote: Usually, if the diaphragm isn't ruptured, the problem is a little bit of dirt or hair in the intake or outlet valves. Definitely worth taking it apart for a looksee first. Ken H. On 9 March 2015 at 18:03, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I've got a Jabsco 36970, 2.8gpm diaphragm pump for emptying out the shower sump in the head of our 30-2.Similar to this one: http://www.westmarine.com/buy/jabsco--diaphragm-bilge-pump- 4gpm-3-4-port--109951 It hasn't worked since got the boat (gets juice, piston moves up and down, but no suction. I took it off the boat this weekend but haven't had a chance to open it up yet. I presume it needs a service kit, but they are $99 USD at defender. Which seems like a lot of $ for rubber for a 25 yo pump. Question is: Is there an alternative pump that I might consider purchasing (other than a hand pump) that would work for very occasionally pumping out a shower sump? Ideally cheaper is better. Thanks ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
I have noticed last year when my GPS antena shorted out and I went to my phone based software (navionics) that it did not show bouys that I knew were there unless I zoomed in. The NOAA charts when converted to electronic at least show a fot or something. You may have to zoom in to see what it is but you have a clue. The radtor chart on my phone still failed yo tell me about the bouy that was pretty darn close. It was Lake St. Clair and I knew about the bouy but it made me wonder about being in unfamiliar waters. Then Tean Vestesnow I really am nervous about just electronic navigation in unfamiliar waters. On Mar 10, 2015 4:27 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: *http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1* http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat Review: CC 30 - SAIL Magazine
Hauled out at Stanleys in Barrington RI for the winter. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:44 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Stus-List Boat Review: CC 30 - SAIL Magazine For your reading pleasure: http://www.sailmagazine.com/sailboat-reviews/new-boat-cc-30-0 Ken H. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 30 review
From *Sail* Magazine: Grand prix-style, one design racing for all! Ultimately, modern sailboats are the stuff of dreams, waterborne works of art that serve to transport (figuratively as well as literally) and delight—and it would be hard to find a better or more exciting dream than the CC 30. Congrats to the guys as US Boat! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat Review: CC 30 - SAIL Magazine
I used to haul my power boat out at Lavin’s in Barrington. They were right at the mouth of the river on the right heading in. They are under new ownership now. Not familiar with Stanleys From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:30 PM To: Petar Horvatic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Review: CC 30 - SAIL Magazine Haven't been to Stanley's in 40 years! Good to know they are still in business. Joel On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hauled out at Stanleys in Barrington RI for the winter. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:44 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Stus-List Boat Review: CC 30 - SAIL Magazine For your reading pleasure: http://www.sailmagazine.com/sailboat-reviews/new-boat-cc-30-0 Ken H. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat Review: CC 30 - SAIL Magazine
Haven't been to Stanley's in 40 years! Good to know they are still in business. Joel On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hauled out at Stanleys in Barrington RI for the winter. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Heaton via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:44 PM *To:* cnc-list *Subject:* Stus-List Boat Review: CC 30 - SAIL Magazine For your reading pleasure: http://www.sailmagazine.com/sailboat-reviews/new-boat-cc-30-0 Ken H. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Boat Review: CC 30 - SAIL Magazine
For your reading pleasure: http://www.sailmagazine.com/sailboat-reviews/new-boat-cc-30-0 Ken H. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
That kind of mistake REALLY hurts in an airplane From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:23 PM To: CnC Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report They actually had the charts, but didn’t look! sam :-) From: Martin DeYoung mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:17 PM To: Sam Salter mailto:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com , CnC mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter. For offshore passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight. I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper. Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand between me and a safe passage. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
Maybe to save weight? Seriously though, I too always have paper charts and try and keep a plot going with GPS positions, hopefully every hour. Generational because I distinctly remember losing GPS (very, very early days of GPS) on a delivery down through the Bahamas. Nice to kinda know where we were. Dave Sent from my iPad On Mar 10, 2015, at 17:17, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter. For offshore passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight. I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper. Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand between me and a safe passage. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle image001.png From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
Maybe I am a bit over the top, but I call it good seamanship (or lack thereof). Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung via CnC-List Sent: March-10-15 17:18 To: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter. For offshore passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight. I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper. Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand between me and a safe passage. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter. For offshore passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight. I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper. Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand between me and a safe passage. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
They actually had the charts, but didn’t look! sam :-) From: Martin DeYoung Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:17 PM To: Sam Salter, CnC I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter. For offshore passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight. I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper. Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand between me and a safe passage. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report
Can't believe they only had one GPS dongle for two laptops. Is there a budget that tight? Joel On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Maybe I am a bit over the top, but I call it good seamanship (or lack thereof). Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');] *On Behalf Of *Martin DeYoung via CnC-List *Sent:* March-10-15 17:18 *To:* sam.c.sal...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sam.c.sal...@gmail.com');; cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter. For offshore passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight. I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper. Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand between me and a safe passage. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [image: Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');] *On Behalf Of *Sam Salter via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM *To:* CnC *Subject:* Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List paper charts question
I commonly carry paper charts that at near 40 years old. I do purchase up to date large area coverage charts to be sure I have the additions and corrections, especially to the lights and buoys. I purchase updated C-Map NT charts for Calypso’s chart plotter if I am headed outside of the waters I know very well. IIRC during a delivery from Tonga to New Zealand I had a few charts that included info referencing Capt. Cook’s surveys (1790+-). We did not approach the Minerva Reef until the sun was up as the differences between older charts and the GPS can be quite large. As to the US Coast Guard, I expect they would be so pleased to see a skipper that had several viable navigation aids/methods (GPS. Paper, ded reckoning skills) that they would give a pass is a chart or two were out of date. They do not give a pass to expired flares. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:48 PM To: Dave Godwin; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Stus-List paper charts question For us in US, I believe the Coast Guard requires paper charts be on board? I'm always worried if I get boarded, they might not accept my 1986 chartkits. Has that changed? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List paper charts question
I don't think USCG requires paper charts, at least based on what this Google search turns up: https://www.google.com/search?q=us+coast+guard+requirements+paper+charts http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg553/NAVStandards/ECDIS.asp They don't say what adequate backup arrangements to an ECDIS (electronic chart display) are, but I would guess a second ECDIS would suffice? Also doesn't say what meets their requirements for an ECDIS, but probably most decent GPS displays I would think. The policy has been around since 2004. The rationale they included seems to indicate they passed it to relieve people of the expense + storage of paper charts: the ECDIS meets the same navigational safety concerns as do paper nautical charts. This policy benefits the ship owner and operator by relieving them of the need to unnecessarily duplicate equipment.” On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:56 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net To: Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:48:05 + (UTC) Subject: Stus-List paper charts question For us in US, I believe the Coast Guard requires paper charts be on board? I'm always worried if I get boarded, they might not accept my 1986 chartkits. Has that changed? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List paper charts question
For us in US, I believe the Coast Guard requires paper charts be on board? I'm always worried if I get boarded, they might not accept my 1986 chartkits. Has that changed? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:29:23 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report Maybe to save weight? Seriously though, I too always have paper charts and try and keep a plot going with GPS positions, hopefully every hour. Generational because I distinctly remember losing GPS (very, very early days of GPS) on a delivery down through the Bahamas. Nice to kinda know where we were. Dave Sent from my iPad On Mar 10, 2015, at 17:17, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter. For offshore passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight. I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper. Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand between me and a safe passage. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle image001.png From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I’ve got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I’m going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta blockquote ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Breaker panels
Nice touch. FYI, my local Ace Hardware carries knurled head machine screws in SS in several sizes. Ace is pricey, but convenient. I might add SS Tee Nuts to the back of the wood where my panel is mounted. Thanks for the idea. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:48:00 AM Subject: Stus-List Breaker panels I bought these to replace the worn phillips head screws on my breaker panels: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ONZW96/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8psc=1 Easy to drill and tap the existing holes to fit. -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint
Used Micron 66 after reading about it on this list. Great paint for salt water. Fast and stays clean compared to VC-Offshore which requires frequent scrubbing. I moved my boat to Chesapeake and now have to change. I'll probably go to Extra and burnish lightly. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Mike via CnC-List Hoyt cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:19:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint Bob told me about Micron 66 repeatedly and showed me Azura bottom in December. It is how he described. I have used Micron CSC, VC Offshore and whatever came on our boat last year (similar to CSC). I would haul Nut Case at least three times per year (could use a crane so was cheap). 1 st time would be mid July at a race week after in water for 1.5 months – bottom looked clean but scrubbed anyway. 2 nd time Labour day weekend at beginning September when we brought the boat back to Halifax from its summer location on Northumberland Strait. There would be some slime and whatever it is that grows on the flat undersides in a star shaped pattern. Last haulout would be end of October in Halifax after sitting on a mooring in NW Arm approx. 150 feet from Bob’s boat. Would be slime and also grass growing on the vertical surfaces. This mattered not weather Micron CSC or VC Offshore. Last year Persistence came with another manufacturer version of Micron CSC. Was launched in June, hauled mid July to work on Transducers, hauled Sept 8 to work on propeller shaft, relaunched Sept 19 and hauled 1 st week November. Was dirty on each haulout. When I compare my experiences with Bob’s on Azura with Micron 66 I cannot conceive using Micron CSC. The pain of obtaining Micron 66 has made me consider Ameron ABC #4 because a 1D35 in our area has been using for 10 years and owners say it is closest thing to Micron 66 available in Canada. They insist it is closer to Micron 66 in its properties than to Micron CSC. All of the above are racing paints and that is also a consideration even though we now sail a Winnebago Mike Persistence From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:05 AM To: mike amirault; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint I had no complaints using Micron CSCused it for about 12 yearsa few years back, I had the opportunity to buy a few gallons of Micron 66 for $100 per gallon. I read about its effectiveness in dealing with 'slime'.the biocides in it I guess which are not in CSC. And 2 1/2 gallons for $250, how could I refuse. AZURA logs close to 1,000nm per season and when the boat is hauled in October, it does not need a bottom cleaning and/or pressure wash. The bottom looks pretty much the same as it did when given a light coat of 66 in the Spring. I have used 66 for 3 seasons now.I dilute it about 10% to make rolling it on easier. I am usually applying antifouling paint around +10C and the little extra solvent makes rolling it on easier and it the paint seems to go farther. The boat could go back in the water this Spring with no attention to the bottom, however, it will get another diluted, light coat. A few other club members have witnessed the effectiveness of 66 on my boat and have switched from whatever they were using. They all get it when they drive to the USA. I asked the Binnacle here why they don't carry it..they said it too much trouble getting all the govt approvals because of the biocides in the 66. I don't race AZURA so it really doesn't matter what's on its bottom as long as it is not mussels and barnacles and other similar marine growth. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N. On 2015-03-10 10:39 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List wrote: I am in the same marina as Dwight Veniot and I did use Amercoat #4 for several years. As an antifouling agent it works very well but I found it to be too ablative for my boat which sails about 1000nm per season. After a power wash in the fall, the hull would be nearly bare. Since that time, I have switched to micron CSC which holds up much better and sometimes just needs a brokers touch up rather than a full coat each year. Therefore, I think any cost savings you will get with the Amercoat are offset by justing with CSC. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List paper charts question
Chartkits are paper charts...aren't they? They are just a bunch of charts all bound together in a book. The spirit of the requirement is to ensure that you aren't flying blind if the GPS goes out. NOAA has PDF versions that you could print out. Pretty sure they would count too. Remember there is also a requirement to have Chart 1 which is basically a map legend. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mar 10, 2015 6:48 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: For us in US, I believe the Coast Guard requires paper charts be on board? I'm always worried if I get boarded, they might not accept my 1986 chartkits. Has that changed? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:29:23 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report Maybe to save weight? Seriously though, I too always have paper charts and try and keep a plot going with GPS positions, hopefully every hour. Generational because I distinctly remember losing GPS (very, very early days of GPS) on a delivery down through the Bahamas. Nice to kinda know where we were. Dave Sent from my iPad On Mar 10, 2015, at 17:17, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I always have a paper chart(s) as a back-up to the chart plotter. For offshore passages I also carry a sextant and the materials needed to reduce a sight. I am surprised that professional, highly paid, top of their industry navigators and skippers to not have even a large area overview chart on paper. Maybe it is a generational thing that I do not trust electronics to stand between me and a safe passage. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle image001.png *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Salter via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM *To:* CnC *Subject:* Stus-List Volvo Reef Grounding Report http://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/comment-how-the-team-vestas-wind-crash-really-happened-and-the-surprisingly-simple-things-we-can-learn-from-it-62634?elqTrackId=244797bc7870487dab6568ea90f95c29elqaid=15257elqat=1 Interesting reading! If I think about it, I've got a bit lax lately, relying more and more on digital charts. I'm going to get a bit more rigorous from now on and use/check my paper charts a lot more. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List bottom paint
Yes, I find CSC equally effective. It does depend on where you keep your boat, though, some areas tend to attract more fuzz than others. This may be the case for Dwight who is located way up the head of St Margarets bay.___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
