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[Brian Morrison via CnC-List]

The bilge pump on my 1979 C&C34 has died. I would like to replace it with the 
same type. It is the original which is mounted on the wall in the lazaret. It 
pulls water from a hose in the bilge and pumps it overboard through a hose 
connected on the opposite side of the pump. Does anyone know where I can find a 
replacement?

Brian

"He gonna gimme my ham, my ham, my ham! He gonna gimme my ham!" August Wilson's 
Hambone.
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Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

"I wish I'd used smaller mooring lines for that storm", said no-one ever :)  
I'd rather go big and have that extra margin of safety.  I alas have no usable 
chocks as previously noted, so given I have no easy solution, I'd rather do it 
right - whatever that is.  A buoy mast/hook looks a fine idea indeed.
Cheers,
Paul.


Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 23:27:45 -0300
From: cnclistforw...@hotmail.com
To: pjbake...@hotmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring


  

  
  
Hi Paul

My boat lives on a mooring, the setup is a chock on each side and a
cleat aft of each.  I would not use the anchor roller for mooring
lines.



3/4" pendants are overkill, I'm running 3/4 and am probably 12000
lbs.  I had an Aloha 27, I used 5/8 pendants for it, similar size to
the C&C 27.



If you single hand your boat I'd also recommend getting a mast buoy
- fastened to one pendant it makes retrieval very easy.  I have a
ring on one pendant that lets me unclip it when the boat is moored.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-03-13 9:28 PM, Paul Baker via
  CnC-List wrote:



  
  So, I am going to be moving my boat from a nice,
safe and secluded slip, to a mooring buoy out in the harbour. 
Yes, the mooring is big enough, yes I will be using at least 2
unequal pendants of good quality (probably at least 3/4"), and
yes I will be using chafe guard where appropriate.  Assume also
that any hardware would have backing plates as large as
practically possible.



My current deck hardware consists of a central 6" or so cleat,
with a small teak backing plate.  An anchor roller of unknown
quality and fit (I have never used it), and a small chock that
serves no purpose since the hawse pipe blocks a fair lead from
the cleat to the chock.  Deck is balsa cored glass, toerail is
standard C&C, so an aluminum L section perforated rail
bolted though the deck and hull on roughly 3-4" intervals. 
Basically, whatever I do is going to require a fair amount of
work.  Given this, I can't decide on the best route.



1. Try to find some way of putting a cleat on the rail at each
side of the bow - this will likely involve fabricating some sort
of mounting block, bolting the cleat to that, and then through
the rail/deck.



2. Fit some chocks (which will likely involve cutting the
vertical part of the L section off) and replace the central
cleat with a bigger one, with a bigger backing plate.



3. Fit a bow eye and moor to that - this might involve running a
temp 3rd mooring line to the deck cleat and then releasing the
shackle(s) from the dinghy, I haven't got on the boat to see if
it's feasible from there.



4. Something else I haven't thought of yet.



I'm thinking that option 3 might actually be the better route -
doesn't involve disturbing the toerail at all, and while not the
most convenient, it might have some advantages, namely much less
chance of chafe, and a lower attachment point gives me better
scope, plus I'd only have to drill two holes through glass.



I kind of need to make a decision in the next day or three so
that I can get the bits and get going, boat will need to be on
the mooring for April 1st, so I have two weekends after this
one.



Mooring will be in Tsehum Harbour, in Sidney, BC.  No hurricanes
here, 40kts is the highest gust speed recorded in Sidney in the
last 10 years.



What would my fellow C&C'ers suggest?



Cheers,

Paul



Orange Crush

1974 C&C27 MkII

Sidney, BC

  
  

  
  

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Stus-List Trimming Gmail replies to list

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Listers using Gmail can easily trim the long string of replies.

Go to "Settings".  You will land on the "General" settings page.  Look near
the top for the link called "Labs" and click it.  Scroll down the
"Available Labs" until you see "Quote Selected Text".  Select the "Enabled"
box.  Scroll to the bottom and click "Save Changes".

Now when you want to reply, just select a portion of the original message
and click the "Reply" arrow.  Only the portion of the original message you
selected will be in the reply.  The rest of the message(s) will not be sent.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

For anyone that is interested, this is the address for the Yahoo C&C group.
It is, to be kind, dormant.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/CnCSailBoats/info

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 13 March 2015 at 20:30, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Someone mentioned a yahoo group. I am a member of a few and they send
> messages (e-mails, like this list), but at the same time allow to
> participate in them like in a Forum (on a web site, following threads,
> allowing photo albums etc.).
>
>
>
> I already voted for the list, but possibly that option can be
> investigated, as well.
>
>
>
> On the flip side, let's not overestimate the bandwidth required for
> including the original text. All these messages were in the teens of kB,
> very tiny compared to the current internet speeds and sizes.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick
> Brass via CnC-List
> *Sent:* March-13-15 22:00
> *To:* 'Robert Boyer'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> We each have the option to change our email settings so the original
> message string is not included in the new email when we reply to a message.
> That would eliminate all the repeated information and the very long message
> strings that cause so much trouble and band width cost for Stu.
>
>
>
> Sometimes I like to include all or part of the message to which I am
> responding, so others will know the context of my email. I find that I am
> frequently not responding to the last message on a given topic. But, hey,
> I’m old and forget to delete all the unwanted part of the string.
>
>
>
> My problem with a forum is that I need to find the time to go look at it
> and see what is being discussed. Messages from the list, OTOH, are in my
> inbox and actually give me something to look forward to when I open my
> email.
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
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Re: Stus-List List or forum

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I don't do Facebook and can just barely do anything computer.Needless to say, I 
like the list since I can usually do email.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL

  From: Bob Hickson via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 7:43 PM
 Subject: Stus-List List or forum
   
My 5 cents 
worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing.  I would like to see a 
change to a forum if it can be done.  The vast majority of the items on the 
list are personal comments that are only indirectly C&C related.A searchable 
forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful information.  If some 
members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED C&C Facebook group 
(this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation).The C&C 29 Association 
has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason that I have a Facebook 
account)  Fair Winds,  Bob Hickson, P. Eng.Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club,C and C 
29 mark 2, Flying Colours,416-919-2297bobhick...@rogers.com      
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Someone mentioned a yahoo group. I am a member of a few and they send messages 
(e-mails, like this list), but at the same time allow to participate in them 
like in a Forum (on a web site, following threads, allowing photo albums etc.).

 

I already voted for the list, but possibly that option can be investigated, as 
well.

 

On the flip side, let's not overestimate the bandwidth required for including 
the original text. All these messages were in the teens of kB, very tiny 
compared to the current internet speeds and sizes.

 

Marek

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: March-13-15 22:00
To: 'Robert Boyer'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

 

Bob

 

We each have the option to change our email settings so the original message 
string is not included in the new email when we reply to a message. That would 
eliminate all the repeated information and the very long message strings that 
cause so much trouble and band width cost for Stu.

 

Sometimes I like to include all or part of the message to which I am 
responding, so others will know the context of my email. I find that I am 
frequently not responding to the last message on a given topic. But, hey, I’m 
old and forget to delete all the unwanted part of the string.

 

My problem with a forum is that I need to find the time to go look at it and 
see what is being discussed. Messages from the list, OTOH, are in my inbox and 
actually give me something to look forward to when I open my email.

 

Rick Brass

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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The pros for a forum are what Stu said. 

 

A few major pros for the list are that it can be viewed on any platform, can be 
read off-line, requires much less bandwidth etc.

 

I would say that it works fine, as is.

 

Marek

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt 
Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: March-13-15 19:06
To: 'Stu'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

 

Stu, the list is far better than any forum I have “joined” but if the forum is 
easier for you I would support it

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 5:32 PM
To: C&C Email List
Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum

 

Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
“Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like 
this one).

 

PROS:

1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list

2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.

3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.

4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.

5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.

6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.

 

CONS:

1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.

2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()

3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.

 

Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.

 

Stu

 

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Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Paul
My boat lives on a mooring, the setup is a chock on each side and a 
cleat aft of each.  I would not use the anchor roller for mooring lines.


3/4" pendants are overkill, I'm running 3/4 and am probably 12000 lbs.  
I had an Aloha 27, I used 5/8 pendants for it, similar size to the C&C 27.


If you single hand your boat I'd also recommend getting a mast buoy - 
fastened to one pendant it makes retrieval very easy.  I have a ring on 
one pendant that lets me unclip it when the boat is moored.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-03-13 9:28 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List wrote:
So, I am going to be moving my boat from a nice, safe and secluded 
slip, to a mooring buoy out in the harbour. Yes, the mooring is big 
enough, yes I will be using at least 2 unequal pendants of good 
quality (probably at least 3/4"), and yes I will be using chafe guard 
where appropriate.  Assume also that any hardware would have backing 
plates as large as practically possible.


My current deck hardware consists of a central 6" or so cleat, with a 
small teak backing plate.  An anchor roller of unknown quality and fit 
(I have never used it), and a small chock that serves no purpose since 
the hawse pipe blocks a fair lead from the cleat to the chock.  Deck 
is balsa cored glass, toerail is standard C&C, so an aluminum L 
section perforated rail bolted though the deck and hull on roughly 
3-4" intervals. Basically, whatever I do is going to require a fair 
amount of work.  Given this, I can't decide on the best route.


1. Try to find some way of putting a cleat on the rail at each side of 
the bow - this will likely involve fabricating some sort of mounting 
block, bolting the cleat to that, and then through the rail/deck.


2. Fit some chocks (which will likely involve cutting the vertical 
part of the L section off) and replace the central cleat with a bigger 
one, with a bigger backing plate.


3. Fit a bow eye and moor to that - this might involve running a temp 
3rd mooring line to the deck cleat and then releasing the shackle(s) 
from the dinghy, I haven't got on the boat to see if it's feasible 
from there.


4. Something else I haven't thought of yet.

I'm thinking that option 3 might actually be the better route - 
doesn't involve disturbing the toerail at all, and while not the most 
convenient, it might have some advantages, namely much less chance of 
chafe, and a lower attachment point gives me better scope, plus I'd 
only have to drill two holes through glass.


I kind of need to make a decision in the next day or three so that I 
can get the bits and get going, boat will need to be on the mooring 
for April 1st, so I have two weekends after this one.


Mooring will be in Tsehum Harbour, in Sidney, BC.  No hurricanes here, 
40kts is the highest gust speed recorded in Sidney in the last 10 years.


What would my fellow C&C'ers suggest?

Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
1974 C&C27 MkII
Sidney, BC


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Re: Stus-List List or forum

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Bob;

 

It seems that what you are3 wanting is pretty much what is on the DIY pages
of the photo album.

 

Personally, I value the personal comments and experiences on the list, even
if they are only tangentially related to C&Cs. There are folks on the list
that I first "met" a couple of versions of the list - pushing 20 years -
ago, and folks on the list who don't even own a C&C anymore. The list is a
community.

 

And as far as a CLOSED Facebook page goes, I have a friend with a new to her
29-2. She discovered the Photo Album and the list on her own. If the C&C 29
Facebook page is invitation only, how would she even find it, let alone get
an invitation to join. 

 

The Phot Album and this list are one of the strongest reasons I can think of
for buying an older C&C in preference to another brand.

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Hickson via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List List or forum

 

The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are
only indirectly C&C related.

A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful
information.

 

If some members want a Facebook type "list" why not form a CLOSED C&C
Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation).

The C&C 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason
that I have a Facebook account)

 

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Re: Stus-List List or forum

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

I'd like to put forward a vote to try the forum. 
I've been using this list for over 12 years. I'm a big fan and try to give back 
and help newer skippers as I was helped when I first got my C&C. But I'm 
starting to think the forum format might be better? Sometimes I google a 
question on the web and find wonderful advice and recommendations from the 
other forums like Sailnet and Sailing Anarchy and many others, but I don't 
think the list is open to those kinds of searches? 

If Stu would like the challenge, fine. If its a pain to do, don't bother. 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Bob Hickson via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:43:15 PM 
Subject: Stus-List List or forum 



My 5 cents worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing. 



I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done. 



The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are only 
indirectly C&C related. 

A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful 
information. 



If some members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED C&C Facebook 
group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation). 

The C&C 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason 
that I have a Facebook account) 



Fair Winds, 



Bob Hickson, P. Eng. 

Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club, 

C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours, 

416-919-2297 

bobhick...@rogers.com 








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Re: Stus-List List or forum

[jtsails via CnC-List]

I’m with Bob
James
Delaney
C&C 38 Mk2
Oriental, NC

From: Bob Hickson via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List List or forum

My 5 cents worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing.

 

I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done.

 

The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are only 
indirectly C&C related.

A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful 
information.

 

If some members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED C&C Facebook 
group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation).

The C&C 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason 
that I have a Facebook account)

 

Fair Winds,

 

Bob Hickson, P. Eng.

Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club,

C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours,

416-919-2297

bobhick...@rogers.com

 

 

 




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Stus-List Fwd: Email List or Forum

[Ed Dooley via CnC-List]

Oops! 
Ed

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Ed Dooley 
> Date: March 13, 2015, 9:54:27 PM EDT
> To: Burt Stratton 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
> 
> Email list works fine for me. I administer 2 email lists, both free, one on 
> Wiggio and one on Groupspaces. My lists are very simple, so I'm not familiar 
> with their available options, such as archive search.
> Ed
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 13, 2015, at 7:05 PM, "Burt Stratton"  wrote:
> 
>> Stu, the list is far better than any forum I have “joined” but if the forum 
>> is easier for you I would support it
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 5:32 PM
>> To: C&C Email List
>> Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum
>>  
>> Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to 
>> have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email 
>> list (like this one).
>>  
>> PROS:
>> 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
>> 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
>> 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
>> 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
>> 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
>> undesirable subscribers blocked.
>> 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view 
>> the latest topics since your last visit.
>>  
>> CONS:
>> 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
>> enhancements.
>> 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
>> ()
>> 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
>> more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
>>  
>> Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
>> does not matter to me.
>>  
>> Stu
>>  
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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Bob

 

We each have the option to change our email settings so the original message 
string is not included in the new email when we reply to a message. That would 
eliminate all the repeated information and the very long message strings that 
cause so much trouble and band width cost for Stu.

 

Sometimes I like to include all or part of the message to which I am 
responding, so others will know the context of my email. I find that I am 
frequently not responding to the last message on a given topic. But, hey, I’m 
old and forget to delete all the unwanted part of the string.

 

My problem with a forum is that I need to find the time to go look at it and 
see what is being discussed. Messages from the list, OTOH, are in my inbox and 
actually give me something to look forward to when I open my email.

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boyer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:56 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum

 

Stu's original listing was copied and resent 11 times in 12 messages!   It is 
completely unnecessary and would probably be eliminated in a forum format.  

 

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Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

In a forum you can make your individual settings such that postings on a topic 
you are subscribed to will be emailed to you when each posting is made.  I 
think you can respond to the posting on a forum via email, so I don't 
understand how it would leave Wally out of the picture.

The forum would have a lot better search features.

My iPhone and my iPad have been set to "thread view" and it doesn't eliminate 
the copied text.  However, if there is a setting in an email account that 
eliminates copied text, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Ed Dooley via CnC-List]

Yes, people can customize how they receive emails in ways to make them more 
convenient.
Ed

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 13, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:

> I guess it has never bothered me cause my gmail and Gmail client auto hide 
> the quoted text AND they auto group emails with the same subject.  It's not 
> always necessary but sometimes it is nice to be able to see what exact 
> referance someone was making simply by looking at the quoted text. 
> 
> I like the fact that I don't have to go to a forum app or website to see the 
> message stream or to participate.  
> I like being able to quickly and easily take the conversion of list and then 
> back again without leaving the email client.  
> I like how lightweight and ubiquitous email is.  No fancy graphics to take up 
> bandwidth.  
> Maybe people think it's creepy but I like that we all have each others email 
> and can easily contact one another with something off list via email if 
> needed.  Edd with Star Trek stuff, Fred with electronics questions, Joel for 
> offshore races and Jake for a fix from a Midnight Mistress.
> 
> Warm regards to all,
> Josh Muckley
> 
> PS:
> Just so you all know to what I'm refering I've quoted the text from the 
> previous email.
> 
> On Mar 13, 2015 8:56 PM, "Robert Boyer via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
>> Stu's original listing was copied and resent 11 times in 12 messages!  Does 
>> everyone really like this?  It is completely unnecessary and would probably 
>> be eliminated in a forum format.  That's really the primary change--the 
>> people would be the same.
>> 
>> Bob Boyer
>> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
>> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
>> email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
>> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>> 
>> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
>> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

If your 27 is like my 1975 25, the foredeck is cored with ¾” marine plywood.
I have a central cleat with a teak backing plate. There are chocks on either
side of the stem fitting on my 25, near the bow.

 

When the 25 lived on a mooring back in the 90s (for about 4 years), I had
two equal length pendants on the mooring ball. Each had an eye in the end. I
used a pick up stick on a float that I used to hold the eyes together when I
was away from the mooring, and to make picking up the mooring much easier.
One of the pendants was routed through each chock, with the eyes of both
pendants over the central cleat. Nylon webbing over the pendants where they
went through the chocks.

 

Never had a problem, even in strong Nor’easters in Delaware Bay. I wouldn’t
use this system in a hurricane, though.

 

For hurricanes (5 since I moved to NC, plus 5 or 6 more near misses) I take
the boat up a creek where the wind will have little or no fetch. Two anchors
go from the bow out at 120 degrees, with the bow pointed in the direction
that should see the greatest wind. (I think of this as “upstream”, though it
is usually actually  downstream of the normal current in the creek.) Both
rodes come through the chocks and are cleated on the central cleat. The
tails of the rodes do go back to the mast, where they are tied off as
insurance against failure of the bow cleat. A third anchor is set aft
(“downstream”) to keep the boat from swinging and  to keep it in place when
the wind and current reverse after the eye of the hurricane passes.

 

This has worked for me in local winds up to about 80 knots. One time I came
back to retrieve my boat after a storm, and found two other boats hanging on
mine. Boat 1 had dragged and fouled the anchor of boat 2, then both dragged
down on me. The tangled anchor rodes got caught on my bow, and I had one of
the wandering boats on either beam of my boat.

 

Based on my experience, you may find the original cleat installation by C&C
quite adequate for your needs. I would make sure that you have a good chock
on either side of the bow, since you indicate you do not have them now.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

 

So, I am going to be moving my boat from a nice, safe and secluded slip, to
a mooring buoy out in the harbour.  Yes, the mooring is big enough, yes I
will be using at least 2 unequal pendants of good quality (probably at least
3/4"), and yes I will be using chafe guard where appropriate.  Assume also
that any hardware would have backing plates as large as practically
possible.

My current deck hardware consists of a central 6" or so cleat, with a small
teak backing plate.  An anchor roller of unknown quality and fit (I have
never used it), and a small chock that serves no purpose since the hawse
pipe blocks a fair lead from the cleat to the chock.  Deck is balsa cored
glass, toerail is standard C&C, so an aluminum L section perforated rail
bolted though the deck and hull on roughly 3-4" intervals.  Basically,
whatever I do is going to require a fair amount of work.  Given this, I
can't decide on the best route.

1. Try to find some way of putting a cleat on the rail at each side of the
bow - this will likely involve fabricating some sort of mounting block,
bolting the cleat to that, and then through the rail/deck.

2. Fit some chocks (which will likely involve cutting the vertical part of
the L section off) and replace the central cleat with a bigger one, with a
bigger backing plate.

3. Fit a bow eye and moor to that - this might involve running a temp 3rd
mooring line to the deck cleat and then releasing the shackle(s) from the
dinghy, I haven't got on the boat to see if it's feasible from there.

4. Something else I haven't thought of yet.

I'm thinking that option 3 might actually be the better route - doesn't
involve disturbing the toerail at all, and while not the most convenient, it
might have some advantages, namely much less chance of chafe, and a lower
attachment point gives me better scope, plus I'd only have to drill two
holes through glass.

I kind of need to make a decision in the next day or three so that I can get
the bits and get going, boat will need to be on the mooring for April 1st,
so I have two weekends after this one.

Mooring will be in Tsehum Harbour, in Sidney, BC.  No hurricanes here, 40kts
is the highest gust speed recorded in Sidney in the last 10 years.

What would my fellow C&C'ers suggest?

Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
1974 C&C27 MkII
Sidney, BC

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Re: Stus-List List or forum

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

Bob, I agree with your comments. 

Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg. 

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> On Mar 13, 2015, at 7:43 PM, Bob Hickson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My 5 cents worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing.
>  
> I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done.
>  
> The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are 
> only indirectly C&C related.
> A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful 
> information.
>  
> If some members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED C&C 
> Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation).
> The C&C 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason 
> that I have a Facebook account)
>  
> Fair Winds,
>  
> Bob Hickson, P. Eng.
> Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club,
> C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours,
> 416-919-2297
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Re: Stus-List List or forum

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Facebook.  Talk about a place where it is impossible to find anything, for
me at least.

Ken H.

On 13 March 2015 at 21:43, Bob Hickson via CnC-List 
wrote:

> My 5 cents worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing.
>
>
>
> I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done.
>
>
>
> The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are
> only indirectly C&C related.
>
> A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful
> information.
>
>
>
> If some members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED C&C
> Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation).
>
> The C&C 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only
> reason that I have a Facebook account)
>
>
>
> Fair Winds,
>
>
>
> Bob Hickson, P. Eng.
>
> Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club,
>
> C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours,
>
> 416-919-2297
>
> bobhick...@rogers.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List List or forum

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I'm allergic to Facebook. There is a forum type already in the Yahoo group
that nobody goes to. Low bandwidth is good.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 13 March 2015 at 17:43, Bob Hickson via CnC-List 
wrote:

> My 5 cents worth … it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing.
>
>
>
> I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done.
>
>
>
> The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are
> only indirectly C&C related.
>
> A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful
> information.
>
>
>
> If some members want a Facebook type “list” why not form a CLOSED C&C
> Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation).
>
> The C&C 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only
> reason that I have a Facebook account)
>
>
>
> Fair Winds,
>
>
>
> Bob Hickson, P. Eng.
>
> Frenchman’s Bay Yacht Club,
>
> C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours,
>
> 416-919-2297
>
> bobhick...@rogers.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

For the same reasons as Josh (and probably many others) my Gmail and Gmail
client auto hide the quoted text AND they auto group emails with the same
subject.   Perhaps some of you just need a better email client.

I'm good with the list.

Ken H.

On 13 March 2015 at 21:46, Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I much prefer a forum!  It would end the repeated copying of text and
> resending it over and over.  I've read the notice to mariners about ice on
> the northern Chesapeake Bay about 10 times now because listers think they
> have to copy it I guess so that everyone knows what they are responding
> to.  There are pages and pages of unnecessary repeated information on this
> list.
>
> On a forum, the discussion would be on a topic and it would just flow like
> a conversation.  As far as I'm concerned, a forum is a lot better.  Just
> google cruisers forum and look at their format...
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>
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> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I guess it has never bothered me cause my gmail and Gmail client auto hide
the quoted text AND they auto group emails with the same subject.  It's not
always necessary but sometimes it is nice to be able to see what exact
referance someone was making simply by looking at the quoted text.

I like the fact that I don't have to go to a forum app or website to see
the message stream or to participate.
I like being able to quickly and easily take the conversion of list and
then back again without leaving the email client.
I like how lightweight and ubiquitous email is.  No fancy graphics to take
up bandwidth.
Maybe people think it's creepy but I like that we all have each others
email and can easily contact one another with something off list via email
if needed.  Edd with Star Trek stuff, Fred with electronics questions, Joel
for offshore races and Jake for a fix from a Midnight Mistress.

Warm regards to all,
Josh Muckley

PS:
Just so you all know to what I'm refering I've quoted the text from the
previous email.
On Mar 13, 2015 8:56 PM, "Robert Boyer via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Stu's original listing was copied and resent 11 times in 12 messages!
> Does everyone really like this?  It is completely unnecessary and would
> probably be eliminated in a forum format.  That's really the primary
> change--the people would be the same.
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>
> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply
> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
>
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Excellent point Danny!
On Mar 13, 2015 9:04 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> As I recall, Wally can't do the forum. That alone is reason enough fur me
> to vote email list
>
> Danny
>
>
> From my Android phone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Sam Salter via CnC-List 
> Date: 03/13/2015 5:36 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Stu ,cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum
>
>
> I'm easy either way.
> I'll go with the majority.
>
> sam :-)
>
> On 2015-03-13, at 3:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>  Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to
> have a "Forum" similar to "cruisersforum" or "sailnet" instead of an email
> list (like this one).
>
> PROS:
> 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
> 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
> 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
> 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
> 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and
> undesirable subscribers blocked.
> 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and
> view the latest topics since your last visit.
>
> CONS:
> 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional
> enhancements.
> 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting
> site. ()
> 3. Installation - I've done it before and it does take some time.  And a
> bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
>
> Bottom line - would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?
> It does not matter to me.
>
> Stu
>
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

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As I recall, Wally can't do the forum. That alone is reason enough fur me to 
vote email list

Danny


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 Original message 
From: Sam Salter via CnC-List  
Date: 03/13/2015  5:36 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Stu ,cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum 
 
I'm easy either way.
I'll go with the majority.

sam :-)

On 2015-03-13, at 3:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:

Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
“Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like 
this one).
 
PROS:
1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.
6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.
 
CONS:
1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.
2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()
3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
 
Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.
 
Stu
 
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Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Stu's original listing was copied and resent 11 times in 12 messages!  Does 
everyone really like this?  It is completely unnecessary and would probably be 
eliminated in a forum format.  That's really the primary change--the people 
would be the same.

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

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Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I much prefer a forum!  It would end the repeated copying of text and resending 
it over and over.  I've read the notice to mariners about ice on the northern 
Chesapeake Bay about 10 times now because listers think they have to copy it I 
guess so that everyone knows what they are responding to.  There are pages and 
pages of unnecessary repeated information on this list.

On a forum, the discussion would be on a topic and it would just flow like a 
conversation.  As far as I'm concerned, a forum is a lot better.  Just google 
cruisers forum and look at their format...

Bob

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S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I agree with Dennis C and what seems to be the majority, I prefer the list. 
Unless a forum format would be easier for you, Stu. 

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 7:24 PM
To: Paul Fountain; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

 

I would vote list. 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

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On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I'm with Dennis ... Old and like email !

Paul. :) 

 


On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

1)  I can set my email to "thread" view.  No advantage for me to go to forum.

2) How mobile friendly would forum be?  I read a lot of the list mails on my 
smartphone.

I'm old and don't like change.  Slight preference to maintain current system.

Dennis C.

 

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
“Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like 
this one).

 

PROS:

1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list

2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.

3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.

4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.

5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.

6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.

 

CONS:

1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.

2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()

3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.

 

Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.

 

Stu

 


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Stus-List List or forum

[Bob Hickson via CnC-List]

My 5 cents worth . it is contrary to the comments that I am seeing.

 

I would like to see a change to a forum if it can be done.

 

The vast majority of the items on the list are personal comments that are
only indirectly C&C related.

A searchable forum would be far more useful in terms of sharing useful
information.

 

If some members want a Facebook type "list" why not form a CLOSED C&C
Facebook group (this is type of Facebook is open only by invitation).

The C&C 29 Association has a closed Facebook group (this is the only reason
that I have a Facebook account)

 

Fair Winds,

 

Bob Hickson, P. Eng.

Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club,

C and C 29 mark 2, Flying Colours,

416-919-2297

bobhick...@rogers.com  

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Al Serrato via CnC-List]

I'm happy with the list as well.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 13, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
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> I would vote list. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
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> On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm with Dennis ... Old and like email !
> 
> Paul. :)
> 
> 
> On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>> 1)  I can set my email to "thread" view.  No advantage for me to go to forum.
>> 2) How mobile friendly would forum be?  I read a lot of the list mails on my 
>> smartphone.
>> 
>> I'm old and don't like change.  Slight preference to maintain current system.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to 
>>> have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email 
>>> list (like this one).
>>>  
>>> PROS:
>>> 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
>>> 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
>>> 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
>>> 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
>>> 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
>>> undesirable subscribers blocked.
>>> 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view 
>>> the latest topics since your last visit.
>>>  
>>> CONS:
>>> 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
>>> enhancements.
>>> 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
>>> ()
>>> 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a 
>>> bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
>>>  
>>> Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  
>>> It does not matter to me.
>>>  
>>> Stu
>>>  
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Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

So, I am going to be moving my boat from a nice, safe and secluded slip, to a 
mooring buoy out in the harbour.  Yes, the mooring is big enough, yes I will be 
using at least 2 unequal pendants of good quality (probably at least 3/4"), and 
yes I will be using chafe guard where appropriate.  Assume also that any 
hardware would have backing plates as large as practically possible.

My current deck hardware consists of a central 6" or so cleat, with a small 
teak backing plate.  An anchor roller of unknown quality and fit (I have never 
used it), and a small chock that serves no purpose since the hawse pipe blocks 
a fair lead from the cleat to the chock.  Deck is balsa cored glass, toerail is 
standard C&C, so an aluminum L section perforated rail bolted though the deck 
and hull on roughly 3-4" intervals.  Basically, whatever I do is going to 
require a fair amount of work.  Given this, I can't decide on the best route.

1. Try to find some way of putting a cleat on the rail at each side of the bow 
- this will likely involve fabricating some sort of mounting block, bolting the 
cleat to that, and then through the rail/deck.

2. Fit some chocks (which will likely involve cutting the vertical part of the 
L section off) and replace the central cleat with a bigger one, with a bigger 
backing plate.

3. Fit a bow eye and moor to that - this might involve running a temp 3rd 
mooring line to the deck cleat and then releasing the shackle(s) from the 
dinghy, I haven't got on the boat to see if it's feasible from there.

4. Something else I haven't thought of yet.

I'm thinking that option 3 might actually be the better route - doesn't involve 
disturbing the toerail at all, and while not the most convenient, it might have 
some advantages, namely much less chance of chafe, and a lower attachment point 
gives me better scope, plus I'd only have to drill two holes through glass.

I kind of need to make a decision in the next day or three so that I can get 
the bits and get going, boat will need to be on the mooring for April 1st, so I 
have two weekends after this one.

Mooring will be in Tsehum Harbour, in Sidney, BC.  No hurricanes here, 40kts is 
the highest gust speed recorded in Sidney in the last 10 years.

What would my fellow C&C'ers suggest?

Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
1974 C&C27 MkII
Sidney, BC
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

I would vote list. 


All the best,

Edd

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On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List  
wrote:

I'm with Dennis ... Old and like email !

Paul. :)


On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:

> 1)  I can set my email to "thread" view.  No advantage for me to go to forum.
> 2) How mobile friendly would forum be?  I read a lot of the list mails on my 
> smartphone.
> 
> I'm old and don't like change.  Slight preference to maintain current system.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to 
>> have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email 
>> list (like this one).
>>  
>> PROS:
>> 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
>> 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
>> 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
>> 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
>> 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
>> undesirable subscribers blocked.
>> 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view 
>> the latest topics since your last visit.
>>  
>> CONS:
>> 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
>> enhancements.
>> 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
>> ()
>> 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
>> more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
>>  
>> Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
>> does not matter to me.
>>  
>> Stu
>>  
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Vote: List

Stu, if the costs are not covered routinely by donations, I suggest you 
let us know that too.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 3/13/2015 5:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List wrote:
Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like 
to have a "Forum" similar to "cruisersforum" or "sailnet" instead of 
an email list (like this one).

PROS:
1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted 
and undesirable subscribers blocked.
6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and 
view the latest topics since your last visit.

CONS:
1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on 
additional enhancements.
2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting 
site. ()
3. Installation -- I've done it before and it does take some time.  
And a bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
Bottom line -- would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this 
list?  It does not matter to me.

Stu


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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I prefer the list, but if the question was existential, a forum would be better 
than nothing. 

Steve Thomas
  - Original Message - 
  From: Stu via CnC-List 
  To: C&C Email List 
  Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 17:32
  Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum


  Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have 
a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list 
(like this one).

  PROS:
  1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
  2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
  3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
  4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
  5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.
  6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view 
the latest topics since your last visit.

  CONS:
  1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.
  2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()
  3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.

  Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.

  Stu



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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Stu, the list is far better than any forum I have “joined” but if the forum is 
easier for you I would support it

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 5:32 PM
To: C&C Email List
Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum

 

Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
“Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like 
this one).

 

PROS:

1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list

2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.

3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.

4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.

5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.

6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.

 

CONS:

1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.

2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()

3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.

 

Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.

 

Stu

 

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[D Harben via CnC-List]

List

Don
Life



> On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Mike Brannon via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> List.
> 
> Sent from my iPad Mini
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2015, at 17:32, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:
>> 
>> Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to 
>> have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email 
>> list (like this one).
>>  
>> PROS:
>> 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
>> 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
>> 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
>> 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
>> 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
>> undesirable subscribers blocked.
>> 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view 
>> the latest topics since your last visit.
>>  
>> CONS:
>> 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
>> enhancements.
>> 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
>> ()
>> 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
>> more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
>>  
>> Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
>> does not matter to me.
>>  
>> Stu
>>  
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

I'd  stay with the list, Stu

You never know what you're going t learn and it's easy to delete what doesn't  
interest you. I am grateful for the every time I access it. Many thanks.

-Original Message-
From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
Sent: ‎2015-‎03-‎13 6:16 PM
To: "Stu" ; "CnClist" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

1)  I can set my email to "thread" view.  No advantage for me to go to forum.

2) How mobile friendly would forum be?  I read a lot of the list mails on my 
smartphone.


I'm old and don't like change.  Slight preference to maintain current system.


Dennis C.



On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:

Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
“Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like 
this one).
 
PROS:
1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.
6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.
 
CONS:
1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.
2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()
3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
 
Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.
 
Stu
 

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Mike Brannon via CnC-List]

List.

Sent from my iPad Mini

> On Mar 13, 2015, at 17:32, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have 
> a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list 
> (like this one).
>  
> PROS:
> 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
> 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
> 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
> 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
> 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
> undesirable subscribers blocked.
> 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view 
> the latest topics since your last visit.
>  
> CONS:
> 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
> enhancements.
> 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
> ()
> 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
> more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
>  
> Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
> does not matter to me.
>  
> Stu
>  
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

HI Stu,

List please.

This list feels more like family than any forum I 
used to visit. I say, "...used to visit." 'cause 
somehow I just drift away from them eventually.
It's so much nicer when the messages come to me. 
(Even the hundred or more after a vacation :)


Cheers, Russ


At 02:32 PM 13/03/2015, you wrote:
Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated 
that they would like to have a “Forum” 
similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” 
instead of an email list (like this one).


PROS:
1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
5. Easily moderated by more than one 
person.  Threads can be deleted and undesirable subscribers blocked.
6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site 
at your convenience and view the latest topics since your last visit.


CONS:
1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 
depending on additional enhancements.
2. Might (???) require additional disk space and 
bandwidth on hosting site. ()
3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it 
does takee some time.  And a bit more time 
involved to get it tweeked to perfection.


Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or 
continue using this list?  It does not matter to me.


Stu

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

I'm with Dennis ... Old and like email !

Paul. :)


On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

1)  I can set my email to "thread" view.  No advantage for me to go to forum.
2) How mobile friendly would forum be?  I read a lot of the list mails on my 
smartphone.

I'm old and don't like change.  Slight preference to maintain current system.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
"Forum" similar to "cruisersforum" or "sailnet" instead of an email list (like 
this one).

PROS:
1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.
6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.

CONS:
1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.
2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()
3. Installation - I've done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.

Bottom line - would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.

Stu


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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Sounds like a couple big “ifs” out there, but assuming the cost and maintenance 
headache is less for Stu, I’ll vote forum

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:32 PM
To: C&C Email List
Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum

 

Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
“Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like 
this one).

 

PROS:

1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list

2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.

3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.

4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.

5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.

6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.

 

CONS:

1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.

2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()

3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.

 

Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.

 

Stu

 

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I prefer the list.

There are plenty of forums.  This list is different / better because of the C&C 
focus and limited participation (not invaded by non C&C owners and alumni).

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stu via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:32 PM
To: C&C Email List
Subject: Stus-List Email List or Forum

Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
“Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like 
this one).

PROS:
1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.
6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.

CONS:
1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.
2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()
3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.

Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.

Stu

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

1)  I can set my email to "thread" view.  No advantage for me to go to
forum.
2) How mobile friendly would forum be?  I read a lot of the list mails on
my smartphone.

I'm old and don't like change.  Slight preference to maintain current
system.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List 
wrote:

>   Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like
> to have a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an
> email list (like this one).
>
> PROS:
> 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
> 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
> 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
> 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
> 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and
> undesirable subscribers blocked.
> 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and
> view the latest topics since your last visit.
>
> CONS:
> 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional
> enhancements.
> 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting
> site. ()
> 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a
> bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
>
> Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?
> It does not matter to me.
>
> Stu
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

List
On Mar 13, 2015 5:32 PM, "Stu via CnC-List"  wrote:

>   Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like
> to have a "Forum" similar to "cruisersforum" or "sailnet" instead of an
> email list (like this one).
>
> PROS:
> 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
> 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
> 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
> 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
> 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and
> undesirable subscribers blocked.
> 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and
> view the latest topics since your last visit.
>
> CONS:
> 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional
> enhancements.
> 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting
> site. ()
> 3. Installation - I've done it before and it does take some time.  And a
> bit more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
>
> Bottom line - would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?
> It does not matter to me.
>
> Stu
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Ditto

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 5:37 PM
To: Stu; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

 

I'm easy either way.

I'll go with the majority.

 

sam :-)

On 2015-03-13, at 3:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:

Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
“Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like 
this one).

 

PROS:

1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list

2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.

3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.

4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.

5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.

6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.

 

CONS:

1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.

2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()

3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.

 

Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.

 

Stu

 

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

I'm easy either way.
I'll go with the majority.

sam :-)

On 2015-03-13, at 3:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:

> Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have 
> a “Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list 
> (like this one).
>  
> PROS:
> 1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
> 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
> 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
> 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
> 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
> undesirable subscribers blocked.
> 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view 
> the latest topics since your last visit.
>  
> CONS:
> 1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
> enhancements.
> 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
> ()
> 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
> more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.
>  
> Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
> does not matter to me.
>  
> Stu
>  
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Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Stu via CnC-List]

Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to have a 
“Forum” similar to “cruisersforum” or “sailnet” instead of an email list (like 
this one).

PROS:
1. Eliminate the costs related to the email list
2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
undesirable subscribers blocked.
6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view the 
latest topics since your last visit.

CONS:
1. Forum software runs from free to around $250 depending on additional 
enhancements.
2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
()
3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a bit 
more time involved to get it tweeked to perfection.

Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  It 
does not matter to me.

Stu
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Re: Stus-List How to run jacklines on an LF38

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

On longer runs, say over 20', there is a lot of mechanical ( geometric ? )
purchase pulling on the jackline mid way. I use low stretch webbing, the
stuff sailmakers use for tacks and reinforcing corners. Even on a 28' run
firmly tightened down I can easily lift the midpoint 2'. I suspect on a 40'
run with extreme low stretch webbing pre-tensioned to 500 lbs a 250 lb
shock load at the mid span would transfer a few tons of force into the
cleats.

After you set up the jacklines have a couple of people go mid span and
give it the hardest yank they can. I would be interested in the results.

Here is an article on webbing and stretch:

http://www.balancecommunity.com/knowledge/slackline-webbing/



Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1



Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 22:29:39 -0700 
From: Jim Watts  
To: Rick Brass , 1 CnC List 
      
Subject: Re: Stus-List How to run jacklines on an LF38. 
Message-ID: 
      
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
Nylon is not the best choice for jacklines, you want something that doesn't 
stretch and lose half its strength when wet. One taut centerline jackline, 
if you  can rig it, the idea is to stay on the boat, not be cushioned in 
your ride behind it. 
 
Jim Watts 
Paradigm Shift 
C&C 35 Mk III 
Victoria, BC 
 
On 12 March 2015 at 19:10, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
wrote: 
 
> For starters you need 40? or 45? flat nylon jacklines. It is best if you 
> can find or make a set with Dynema line or steel wire inside the flat 
> nylon. 
> 
> 
> 
> On my 38 the jacklines get rigged with the eyes attached to the two 10? 
> cleats in the bow of the boat, then led on the deck inside of the shrouds, 
> aft to the cockpit where they are secured to a pair of padeyes in the 
> cockpit. The padeyes were left behind when I upgraded my traveler. 
> 
> 
> 
> My tethers are double ended, so crew on deck can pass inside the shrouds 
> when going forward or ?Hook on, hook off? to go around the outside of the 
> shrouds. I?ve also been known to use the padeyes on the side of the mast 
> for the reaching strut as a place to hook on when standing at the mast to 
> reef or crank on the outhaul. 
> 
> 
> Rick Brass 
> 
> *Imzadi  *C&C 38 mk 2 
> 
> *la Belle Aurore *C&C 25 mk1 
> 
> Washington, NC 
> 
> 
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel 
> Sheer via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 4:00 PM 
> *To:* Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners 
> *Subject:* Stus-List How to run jacklines on an LF38. 
> 
> 
> 
> I need 'em for the NE voyage. The mast is 16+ ft back from the bow. Theres 
> a good, sturdy eye near the bow. I can run them to the cabintop handrails 
> at the cockpit, but that seems strange. Suggestions, please. 
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Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Was it just last year a bunch of guys back east were complaining 
about having not enough water? :)


Nice day here for a ride on the motorcycle, then go sailing perhaps. 
No racing though, that is every other weekend.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk1
East side o' Vancouver Island



At 04:55 AM 13/03/2015, you wrote:
You're not alone... the Ohio River is above flood stage from Ohio 
through Illinois; we are currently at 26 ft. and predicted to go 
another1-2 feet by Monday, (flood stage is 23 ft; "normal" pool 
stage is 12 ft.)


Richard
1985 C&c 37; Ohio River, mile 596; (happily on a floating dock)
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255




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Re: Stus-List 1976 C&C 38 Electrical Panel

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fred,

Thanks for checking!  I'm almost complaint!

Joel

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Frederick G Street 
wrote:

> Sorry, Joel — I misspoke.  Checking the ABYC standards, it is indeed four
> terminals under a single bolt or screw.  But in my certification classes,
> the instructor said that a maximum of three should be the goal, and that
> apparently stuck with me.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Mar 12, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Three?  Thought it was 4.  More to do!
>
> Is there an easy way to mount a bus bar to the hull?  Epoxy a wood block
> to it?
>
> Joel
>
>
>


-- 
Joel
301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List 1976 C&C 38 Electrical Panel

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Sorry, Joel — I misspoke.  Checking the ABYC standards, it is indeed four 
terminals under a single bolt or screw.  But in my certification classes, the 
instructor said that a maximum of three should be the goal, and that apparently 
stuck with me.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 12, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:

> Joe,
> 
> Three?  Thought it was 4.  More to do!
> 
> Is there an easy way to mount a bus bar to the hull?  Epoxy a wood block to 
> it?
> 
> Joel
> 

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Re: Stus-List 1976 C&C 38 Electrical Panel

[Petar Horvatic via CnC-List]

It was due to the switch, it was brand new 10A panel mount toggle switch.  I 
had re-wired my entire boat prior to my fridge installation.  I kept the panel 
but put new switches and panel mount AGC fuse holders next to each.  When you 
say “too many other items on it”, it sounds to me like you are worried about 
positive feed to the panel.   Old C&C 38 wiring is not designed for what we 
install on the boat nowdays.  So that would be a good place to look if you run 
into problems. 

I would have a DMM handy and once you’re done and fire up the fridge, measure 
voltage on terminals at the Danfoss.  Load has to be running for you to measure 
voltage drop.  It might not be easy with the way most people connect their 
wires because terminals end up getting covered.  On mine, I have a terminal 
block on the bulkhead within 6 inches of my fridge.  Instead of using those 
female crimp terminals to connect to Compressor, I soldered marine wire to 
Compressor + and -, and on the other end of 6” wire I put ring type crimp 
terminal to connect to terminal block.  So these “pigtails” are part of the 
compressor but I never have to worry about that connection on the compressor, 
which in my case is hard to reach and prone to connectivity issues, voltage 
drops, vibrating off, etc etc.   If your drop is 0.5V to 1V when compressor is 
running that might be an issue.  When your battery is at say 12.3V, compressor 
will see 11.3V-11.7V and will shut the fridge off “to preserve the battery” .  
I’m not sure if and at what voltage isotherm set the cutoff point.  To avoid 
this, run fresh line, like you said AWG10 all the way to a known “good” node.  
If you don’t know conditions of your positive wire between battery terminal and 
panel mounted switch for the fridge, then run a fresh 10AWG from panel to a 
high buss bar capable of feeding everything that is connected to it.  Every 
load should be appropriately fused.  So 100Amp fuse will likely not protect 
against fire causing fault caused by your fridge.  

  

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

 

From: Joe Scott [mailto:joseph.sco...@icloud.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:39 PM
To: Petar Horvatic
Cc: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1976 C&C 38 Electrical Panel

 

Thanks, I bought an Isotherm 2501 which also has a BD50 compressor.  I was 
planning 10AWG wiring and running back to the ground bus bar.  I will keep in 
mind what you experienced with the main panel if I have issues although the PO 
took a lot of stuff off of the main panel.  Do you think you lost voltage due 
to the age of the panel or too many other items on it.  The PO of my boat put a 
100 amp line to a blue sea fuse panel at the nav station for all the 
electronics on the boat.

 

Thanks

 

Joe

On Mar 12, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Petar Horvatic  wrote:

 

Hi Joe,

Not sure what compressor you’re using, but for me Danfoss BD50 control module 
was cutting out due to significant voltage drop at the compressor.  Make sure 
your fridge wires are good gauge.  I ended up running 2x10AWG.  Two 10AWG for 
positive and two for return.  Any by return I mean not just to a nearest 
ground.  Back to the battery or negative high power bus bar.  My main culprit 
for voltage drop was the main panel switch I used to turn the fridge on/off. 
After few months of headaches and troubleshooting,  I ended up re-purposing the 
switch.  Instead of a panel switch, I just have AGC fuse which I install in the 
spring and take out in the fall.  For me, there is no other way to shut off the 
fridge.  The double 10AWG was added prior to finding that switch was the main 
culprit.  I left it as it could only help.  

Also, bus bars Dennis mentioned would help with voltage drops for all your 
loads. 

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:07 PM
To: Joseph Scott; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1976 C&C 38 Electrical Panel

 

This would be a good time to install a ground bus bar or a Blue Sea PowerPost 
Plus.

 
 
https://www.bluesea.com/products/2300/Common_150A_BusBar_-_10_Gang_with_Cover

 
 
https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/PowerPost_Connectors/PowerPost_Plus

Dennis C.

 

 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Joseph Scott via CnC-List < 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Yep, that's exactly how my panel is and I did see those bolts. I guess I was 
expecting a bar or something.  Thanks a lot. This is my first electrical 
project.

Sent from my iPad


> On Mar 11, 2015, at 10:13 PM, Rick Brass <  
> rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Remove the panel from its mounting slots (lift up, pull the bo

Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I am sure the order will be canceled as soon as the ice is gone.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:56 PM
To: Rick Brass; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend

Looks like the enforcement stopped March 9th anyway.  No worries.


From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: "Della Barba, Joe" 
mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>, 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:20:04 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend

No sailing until April 15th? Damn!

Are we talking icebergs in the Susquehanna River? Do they expect some doofus to 
have his very own “Night to Remember”?

In the northern parts of NC the Coasties are making announcements on 22Alpha 
about transiting certain areas because the ice may have moved some of the 
NavAids, and asking mariners to report missing or miss located NavAids.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:00 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Subject: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend

[Federal Register Volume 80, Number 45 (Monday, March 9, 2015)]
[Rules and Regulations]
[Pages 12338-12341]
From the Federal Register Online via the Government Printing Office 
[www.gpo.gov]
[FR Doc No: 2015-05475]


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DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY

Coast Guard

33 CFR Part 165

[Docket Number USCG-2014-0292]
RIN 1625-AA00


Safety Zone for Ice Conditions; Chesapeake and Delaware Canal,
Upper Chesapeake Bay, and Tributaries, MD

AGENCY: Coast Guard, DHS.

ACTION: Temporary rule.

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SUMMARY: The Coast Guard is establishing a temporary safety zone in all
navigable waters within the northern portion of the Chesapeake Bay and
its tributaries, including the western portion of the Chesapeake and
Delaware Canal, located between the Delaware/Maryland Boundary Line
across the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal east of Chesapeake City, MD,
and a line drawn across the Chesapeake Bay at the William P. Lane, Jr.
(US-50/301) Memorial Bridges, located between Sandy Point and Kent
Island, MD. The temporary safety zone restricts vessels from transiting
the zone during the effective period, unless authorized by the Captain
of the Port Baltimore or his designated representative. This safety
zone is necessary to protect mariners from the hazards associated with
ice in the navigable waterways.

DATES: This rule is effective without actual notice from March 9, 2015
until April 15, 2015. For the purposes of enforcement, actual notice
will be used from the date the rule was signed, February 17, 2015 until
March 9, 2015.

ADDRESSES: Documents mentioned in this preamble are part of Docket
Number USCG-2014-0292. To view documents mentioned in this preamble as
being available in the docket, go to http://www.regulations.gov, type
the docket number in the ``SEARCH'' box and click ``SEARCH.'' Click on
``Open Docket Folder'' on the line associated with this rulemaking. You
may also visit the Docket Management Facility in Room W12-140 on the
ground floor of the Department of Transportation West Building, 1200
New Jersey Avenue SE., Washington, DC 20590, between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m.,
Monday through Friday, except Federal holidays.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: If you have questions on this rule,
call or email Mr. Ronald L. Houck, Sector Baltimore Waterways
Management Division, U.S. Coast Guard; telephone 410-576-2674, email
ronald.l.ho...@uscg.mil. If you have questions 
on viewing or submitting
material to the docket, call Cheryl Collins, Program Manager, Docket
Operations, telephone (202) 366-9826.


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Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

You're not alone... the Ohio River is above flood stage from Ohio through 
Illinois; we are currently at 26 ft. and predicted to go another1-2 feet by 
Monday, (flood stage is 23 ft; "normal" pool stage is 12 ft.)
 

Richard
1985 C&c 37; Ohio River, mile 596; (happily on a floating dock)
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 



 
  
 


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Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend

[Chris Price via CnC-List]

The Susquehanna just started to break up in some areas yesterday, withe the 
bergy bits starting to pile up. I suspect the rest of the river will open up 
after we get an inch of rain overnight tonight. The slow meltdown over the last 
few days hopefully will prevent the ice from backing up and causing flooding. 

Chris Price 
Pradel 35 MK I 

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From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List"  
To: "Della Barba, Joe" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:20:04 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend 



No sailing until April 15 th ? Damn! 



Are we talking icebergs in the Susquehanna River? Do they expect some doofus to 
have his very own “Night to Remember”? 



In the northern parts of NC the Coasties are making announcements on 22Alpha 
about transiting certain areas because the ice may have moved some of the 
NavAids, and asking mariners to report missing or miss located NavAids. 




From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:00 PM 
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Subject: Stus-List I guess no sailing this weekend 




[Federal Register Volume 80, Number 45 (Monday, March 9, 2015)] 

[Rules and Regulations] 

[Pages 12338-12341] 

>From the Federal Register Online via the Government Printing Office [ 
>www.gpo.gov ] 

[FR Doc No: 2015-05475] 





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DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 



Coast Guard 



33 CFR Part 165 



[Docket Number USCG-2014-0292] 

RIN 1625-AA00 





Safety Zone for Ice Conditions; Chesapeake and Delaware Canal, 

Upper Chesapeake Bay, and Tributaries, MD 



AGENCY: Coast Guard, DHS. 



ACTION: Temporary rule. 



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SUMMARY: The Coast Guard is establishing a temporary safety zone in all 

navigable waters within the northern portion of the Chesapeake Bay and 

its tributaries, including the western portion of the Chesapeake and 

Delaware Canal, located between the Delaware/Maryland Boundary Line 

across the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal east of Chesapeake City, MD, 

and a line drawn across the Chesapeake Bay at the William P. Lane, Jr. 

(US-50/301) Memorial Bridges, located between Sandy Point and Kent 

Island, MD. The temporary safety zone restricts vessels from transiting 

the zone during the effective period, unless authorized by the Captain 

of the Port Baltimore or his designated representative. This safety 

zone is necessary to protect mariners from the hazards associated with 

ice in the navigable waterways. 



DATES: This rule is effective without actual notice from March 9, 2015 

until April 15, 2015. For the purposes of enforcement, actual notice 

will be used from the date the rule was signed, February 17, 2015 until 

March 9, 2015. 



ADDRESSES: Documents mentioned in this preamble are part of Docket 

Number USCG-2014-0292. To view documents mentioned in this preamble as 

being available in the docket, go to http://www.regulations.gov , type 

the docket number in the ``SEARCH'' box and click ``SEARCH.'' Click on 

``Open Docket Folder'' on the line associated with this rulemaking. You 

may also visit the Docket Management Facility in Room W12-140 on the 

ground floor of the Department of Transportation West Building, 1200 

New Jersey Avenue SE., Washington, DC 20590, between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m., 

Monday through Friday, except Federal holidays. 



FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: If you have questions on this rule, 

call or email Mr. Ronald L. Houck, Sector Baltimore Waterways 

Management Division, U.S. Coast Guard; telephone 410-576-2674, email 

ronald.l.ho...@uscg.mil . If you have questions on viewing or submitting 

material to the docket, call Cheryl Collins, Program Manager, Docket 

Operations, telephone (202) 366-9826. 



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