Stus-List Universal Engine panel wiring
The engine should turn over whether the glow plug button is depressed or not. Twelve volts should go to the ignition switch. The other side of the ignition switch should go to the starter button and to the glow plug button. Depressing the glow plug button will energize the glow plug. Then depressing the starter button while still depressing the glow plug button should start the engine. However, if the engine is warm, you should be able to start the engine by just depressing the starter button. If the red-yellow wire is only showing eight volts at the solenoid when the starter button and the glow plug button are depressed, trace the wire to see whether there is a bad connection somewhere in the circuit. It's also possible that the starter button is bad, but appears good when there isn't much current being drawn. Try shorting the starter button while depressing the glow plug button. If you get twelve volts at the solenoid, you have a bad starter button. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR 1. The buttons both tested fine in terms of their switch function. We then tested power at the engine. There is a heavy red cable coming from the battery to the starter measured 12V. The red-yellow wire from the start button is attached to what I am presuming is the solenoid (the wiring diagram in the manual does not show a solenoid). We only measured 8 volts at the solenoid when the button is pushed, but 12 volts everywhere else. So that probably explains the fact that both the glow plugs and starter won’t work at the same time because we appear to be losing 4 volts in the solenoid. I will pull the starter next winter and have someone test it unless someone has an alternative suggestion. 2. The wiring diagram in the manual (Fig 2 on page 13) shows the power from the key switch coming into the glow plug button and then a wire from the other lead to the start button. The manual shows that wire running from the downstream side of the glow plug switch so that the start button should only be energized when the glow plug button is pushed (as the manual describes). If that were the case, the I would not be able to start the engine with only the start button. Nevertheless, it does start the engine. Tracing the wires, we found that the bridging wire actually came from the hot side of the glow plug switch, so that either button will work independently as both are always powered. What I don’t understand is why you would wire it the other way (as the manual shows) since that would remove the ability to start the engine without the glow plugs (as in an already warm engine). I don’t know if the PO or some yard mechanic made that change or if it is indicated wrong in the manual, so I am curious how other Universal panels are wired. The way it is actually wired makes more sense to me than what is in the manual unless I am missing something. Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Volvo penta 2003 air silencer
I put an AirSep air filter/silencer on Calypso's Perkins 4-108 and it did reduce the intake noise. It has been a while since I have heard the engine with out the AirSep in place but IIRC it mostly reduced the roaring sound of the air rushing through the intake. The AirSep also recycles blow by oil mist directly back into the oil pan. On Calypso's older, high hours engine the blow by handling is nice feature. (BTW this 4-108 is Calypso's second engine installed around 1990 by the prior owner. I estimate it has about 2,000 hours.) I expect an AirSep for your engine would cost more than the Volvo part, but maybe not as I have heard Volvo parts can be expensive. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Bill Hoyne via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bill Hoyne Subject: Stus-List Volvo penta 2003 air silencer Hi All, I have a old (no surprise there)volvo penta 2003 and my mechanic said if I put an intake air silencer (part no 840691) on it would reduce the noise level of the engine. Volvo unfortunately no longer makes these things. Can they be found? (No luck yet with search) Is there a better way to do this with other aftermarket parts? More importantly will this reduce the volume of noise my engine makes? Cheers, Bill Mithrandir ’74 CC35 MkII in Victoria,BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
We're you motor sailing? If heeled, as when motor sailing, I have experience oil pressure alarm. I assumed the oil pick up was affected by heel of boat. Oil level was mid level on stick when at rest. A thought. Bill Walker CnC 36 Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Monday, August 10, 2015 Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Thanks Martin The engine sounded normal. When I shut it down and checked the oil level it was mid range in acceptable area on dip stick. The engine compartment did not seem hot. There was no sign of oil or coolant leakage. Oil level approx the same as when checked two weeks ago One note that may be relevant is that the warning light and buzzer occasionally does not come on when key is ON and engine Stopped. Possible loose connection because a small jiggle of starter key area and it works properly Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Martin DeYoung Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Was there any noise from the engine that sounded like it was short of lube oil pressure? It is an easy and low cost test to buy a new oil pressure sending unit. Install it and test again with the engine at normal operating temp. If you still get the warning it is likely the lube oil pump. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 - Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a clicking sound was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Volvo penta 2003 air silencer
Hi All, I have a old (no surprise there)volvo penta 2003 and my mechanic said if I put an intake air silencer (part no 840691) on it would reduce the noise level of the engine. Volvo unfortunately no longer makes these things. Can they be found? (No luck yet with search) Is there a better way to do this with other aftermarket parts? More importantly will this reduce the volume of noise my engine makes? Cheers, Bill Mithrandir ’74 CC35 MkII in Victoria,BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
No. We were motoring in waves though. Mostly from astern or on quarter so boat had been moving around. At dock was perfectly level From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William Walker via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 1:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: wwadjo...@aol.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning We're you motor sailing? If heeled, as when motor sailing, I have experience oil pressure alarm. I assumed the oil pick up was affected by heel of boat. Oil level was mid level on stick when at rest. A thought. Bill Walker CnC 36 Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Monday, August 10, 2015 Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Also not expensive to get a mechanical oil pressure gauge and hook it up, even if you only want to do it temporarily. Actually just about any mechanical pressure gauge will work for test purposes, including air pressure gauges, just get one with an appropriate pressure range. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Martin DeYoung Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:24 Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Was there any noise from the engine that sounded like it was short of lube oil pressure? It is an easy and low cost test to buy a new oil pressure sending unit. Install it and test again with the engine at normal operating temp. If you still get the warning it is likely the lube oil pump. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle -- From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
One thing that can cause this is when the oil is not draining back from the head or wherever fast enough. At higher RPM you might be pumping more oil up, and after a while sucking air in the pan instead of oil. You might be able to determine if this is the case by measuring the oil level by dipstick while it is running with alarm on. Or you could pull the rocker cover and check the drain holes. Note that in most non-sailboat applications the engine is level and multiple holes share the duty. I am guessing your 3GM30F may be at an incline, so if the rear drain is clogged it might cause the problem. Or not. Lots of other options. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 A heavy duty oil cleaner may help. Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:17:45 + From: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Message-ID: 169e312f80b4c044be2dc1780a7de72f0db...@hfxexc11.impgroup.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 ? Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a ?clicking sound? was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
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Mike, summit racing is a great place to get gauges. Prices are good and
delivery is fast. The connection on the engine I believe is std 1/8th pipe
thread. At least that was true on my 3qm30. The list is on the right track for
your problem. Good luck. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard,
WA.
-- Original message--From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Date: Mon, Aug 10,
2015 10:10To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Hoyt, Mike;Subject:Re: Stus-List 3GM30F
Oil Pressure warning
So likely the best place to start is to change the oil and filter first and
then check oil pressure. On phone to yanmar dealer to find out where to get a
manual pressure guage and where I attach it to engine to test … Engine was not
putting off excessive heat that I could notice. Did not get a chance to check
coolant level but can top that up also. I believe that is a different light on
the panel though. We have the B type panel and Oil Pressure lamp is second from
right while water temp warning lamp is third from right. The water temp lamp
was not illuminated From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On
Behalf Of S Thomas via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: S Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Also not expensive to get a
mechanical oil pressure gauge and hook it up, even if you only want to do it
temporarily. Actually just about any mechanical pressure gauge will work for
test purposes, including air pressure gauges, just get one with an appropriate
pressure range. Steve ThomasCC27 MKIIIPort Stanley, ON- Original Message
-From:Martin DeYoung via CnC-ListTo:cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc:Martin
DeYoungSent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:24Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil
Pressure warning Was there any noise from the engine that sounded like it was
short of lube oil pressure? It is an easy and low cost test to buy a new oil
pressure sending unit. Install it and test again with the engine at normal
operating temp. If you still get the warning it is likely the lube oil pump.
MartinCalypso1971 CC 43SeattleFrom: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
on behalf of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warningOil changed in May. Used 15W
40Oil level checked July 22300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then
Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx.
5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram
mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm
speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated
and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At
dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and
the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the
clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil
pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes
later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then
full alarm
Re: Stus-List Off Topic- Automated Race Signals
Thanks to all for the ideas. I like the VHF start idea and race score as compensation may work too. Regatta Pro is one of the systems I have been looking at. Once upon a time before I joined the club there were 6 permanent marks placed each year and each race they picked the best windward leeward combination and went with that. A mark boat was not required. However, as they were not equipped with functioning lights, and after a powerboat hit one at night, they were deemed a hazard and have not been used since. They had the added benefit too of allowing boats to practice without having an actual race. You could do a windward leeward race with yourself whenever you felt like it. Most of the sailing community on the lake is pretty choked we can't have those anymore, but we all have to get along... Thanks David Donnelly CC 26 Mistress On August 10, 2015 at 2:33 AM Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: We use the regatta pro system for sound signals - it is almost idiot proof if the operators don't mess with the settings! We recently modified the set up so that instead of the electric output going to the supplied air pump (and horns) it now goes directly to power horns in the committee boat. I dare say an electronics engineer could use the electric output signals from the regatta pro to drive lights - but it would not be very easy. Maybe it's commercially available. I am not sure if this is permissible on lakes, but we on Long Island Sound have been placing permanent (removed in the winter) race marks in our racing area. Each year they are re-placed in exactly the same location. Over many many years, the locations have been determined based on common winds. For sure, the windward mark is not always exactly upwind of the chosen starting pin, but usually close enough to satisfy our most competitive sailors. Use of fixed marks, and the regatta pro allows us to run races with two on the committee boat (though we usually have three) and eliminates need for a mark boat. As other Clubs, we also require those that race to do time on the Committee boat - though we do not compensate with a race score. We also rely heavily on non-racing members of the Club to volunteer on RC duty. It's not generally an issue - we make those individuals responsible for finding their own replacements if they cannot perform their duties on a given date. Hope this helps with some ideas. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
OK. So the service manual says to connect the oil pressure gauge to the pilot lamp unit for primary pressure and lubricating oil pipe connector for secondary pressure. Where is the pilot lamp unit? Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: svpegasu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Mike, summit racing is a great place to get gauges. Prices are good and delivery is fast. The connection on the engine I believe is std 1/8th pipe thread. At least that was true on my 3qm30. The list is on the right track for your problem. Good luck. Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message-- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Date: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 10:10 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Cc: Hoyt, Mike; Subject:Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning So likely the best place to start is to change the oil and filter first and then check oil pressure. On phone to yanmar dealer to find out where to get a manual pressure guage and where I attach it to engine to test … Engine was not putting off excessive heat that I could notice. Did not get a chance to check coolant level but can top that up also. I believe that is a different light on the panel though. We have the B type panel and Oil Pressure lamp is second from right while water temp warning lamp is third from right. The water temp lamp was not illuminated From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto::cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:%20cnc-l...@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Also not expensive to get a mechanical oil pressure gauge and hook it up, even if you only want to do it temporarily. Actually just about any mechanical pressure gauge will work for test purposes, including air pressure gauges, just get one with an appropriate pressure range. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From:Martin DeYoung via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To:cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc:Martin DeYoungmailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:24 Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Was there any noise from the engine that sounded like it was short of lube oil pressure? It is an easy and low cost test to buy a new oil pressure sending unit. Install it and test again with the engine at normal operating temp. If you still get the warning it is likely the lube oil pump. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:[cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:[cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Cooling water flow? When changing the light bulbs or wiring in the past it is easy enough to imagine a mixup. Checking engine temp is where I would start. You could also have a very slight dilution of your oil with fuel. After it gets hot enough the viscosity drops and causes your low pressure alarm. The priming pumps have a rubber diaphragm that when degraded allows diesel into the crankcase. Bad HP injector pump seals can also let fuel in the crankcase. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 10, 2015 12:18 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Sounds like bad/loose wiring or a bad sending unit, with wiring the more likely. My 2 cents. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: No. We were motoring in waves though. Mostly from astern or on quarter so boat had been moving around. At dock was perfectly level *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *William Walker via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 1:49 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* wwadjo...@aol.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning We're you motor sailing? If heeled, as when motor sailing, I have experience oil pressure alarm. I assumed the oil pick up was affected by heel of boat. Oil level was mid level on stick when at rest. A thought. Bill Walker CnC 36 Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -- On Monday, August 10, 2015 Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
So likely the best place to start is to change the oil and filter first and then check oil pressure. On phone to yanmar dealer to find out where to get a manual pressure guage and where I attach it to engine to test ... Engine was not putting off excessive heat that I could notice. Did not get a chance to check coolant level but can top that up also. I believe that is a different light on the panel though. We have the B type panel and Oil Pressure lamp is second from right while water temp warning lamp is third from right. The water temp lamp was not illuminated From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Also not expensive to get a mechanical oil pressure gauge and hook it up, even if you only want to do it temporarily. Actually just about any mechanical pressure gauge will work for test purposes, including air pressure gauges, just get one with an appropriate pressure range. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Martin DeYoungmailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:24 Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Was there any noise from the engine that sounded like it was short of lube oil pressure? It is an easy and low cost test to buy a new oil pressure sending unit. Install it and test again with the engine at normal operating temp. If you still get the warning it is likely the lube oil pump. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 - Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a clicking sound was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Electronics upgrade
John — like most Furuno gear, I imagine the black-box radar is pretty reliable. My concern is with the other gear needed to use it. If you’re going to spend that much on buying and installing a system, you want it to work when you need it. And that’s generally when conditions are bad; which is also when the consumer stuff (laptop, iPad, etc) is going to fail. Then your investment is worthless. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 9, 2015, at 9:07 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Any thoughts on the reliability of the Furuno unit itself? It's a bit of an oddity but has been on the market for a while. Radar is not a critical function to me (except when it is) but I view this more of an offshore tool than anything else. Just my opinion which I'm sure most would disagree with. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI
Can anyone tell me the mast height above water for a CC 30 MKI. Prospective new owner needs info to make sure they can clear a bridge. David Midkiff Serendipity CC 30 MkI Infatuation CC 35 MKIII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Mike: Did you check the oil level after the alarm sounded? It could be low after a period of little use followed by motoring for a few hours. At higher RPM’s, the oil might fall below the pickup as more oil is pumped to the head than returns to the pan. I hope it is simple….. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:17, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
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Mike, for your situation start with the secondary pressure. Not having a
manual in front of me. My guess this will give you pressure after the filter.
You should be able to detect a pressure drop across all rpm ranges. For
reference my 3qm30 pressure is 75 at idle after start. 65 at 2100 engine warm.
And 25 at ldle engine warm. Hope this helps.
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.
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Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
The light doesn't come in when the engine is cold(?). Has to be cooling related. And yes, that can result in a low pressure warning before a temp warning. Check your impeller. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2015, at 2:27 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Was there any noise from the engine that sounded like it was short of lube oil pressure? It is an easy and low cost test to buy a new oil pressure sending unit. Install it and test again with the engine at normal operating temp. If you still get the warning it is likely the lube oil pump. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Rich Me too! I checked the level on the dipstick immediately after stopping engine. Was middle of “safe” zone. Plan to change oil and filter on the weekend, remove panel, check wiring and check oil pressure. Boat had done a motor sail from Halifax to St Peters July 23-24 (25 hours motor) , St Peters to Dundee July 25 (mostly sail), Dundee to Baddeck Aug 2 (5.5 hrs mostly motor). Every day last week motor on for 20-30 minutes going to race and 10 coming back. Then the next day 5.5 hrs Baddeck to Dundee (motor) . I cannot call this a period of little use. There was another boat named Indigo in Baddeck last week BTW Mike Persistence From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:24 PM To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Knowles Rich Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Mike: Did you check the oil level after the alarm sounded? It could be low after a period of little use followed by motoring for a few hours. At higher RPM’s, the oil might fall below the pickup as more oil is pumped to the head than returns to the pan. I hope it is simple….. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:17, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Good article on oïl pressure: http://www.international-auto.com/fiat-lancia-tips-on-reading-gauges/tips-on-reading-gauges-oil-pressure-gauges.cfm Yves Foxy, cc 33-1 Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 2015-08-10 à 14:25, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com a écrit : OK. So the service manual says to connect the oil pressure gauge to the pilot lamp unit for primary pressure and lubricating oil pipe connector for secondary pressure. Where is the pilot lamp unit? Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: svpegasu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Mike, summit racing is a great place to get gauges. Prices are good and delivery is fast. The connection on the engine I believe is std 1/8th pipe thread. At least that was true on my 3qm30. The list is on the right track for your problem. Good luck. Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message-- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Date: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 10:10 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Cc: Hoyt, Mike; Subject:Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning So likely the best place to start is to change the oil and filter first and then check oil pressure. On phone to yanmar dealer to find out where to get a manual pressure guage and where I attach it to engine to test … Engine was not putting off excessive heat that I could notice. Did not get a chance to check coolant level but can top that up also. I believe that is a different light on the panel though. We have the B type panel and Oil Pressure lamp is second from right while water temp warning lamp is third from right. The water temp lamp was not illuminated From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 2:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Also not expensive to get a mechanical oil pressure gauge and hook it up, even if you only want to do it temporarily. Actually just about any mechanical pressure gauge will work for test purposes, including air pressure gauges, just get one with an appropriate pressure range. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From:Martin DeYoung via CnC-List To:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc:Martin DeYoung Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:24 Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Was there any noise from the engine that sounded like it was short of lube oil pressure? It is an easy and low cost test to buy a new oil pressure sending unit. Install it and test again with the engine at normal operating temp. If you still get the warning it is likely the lube oil pump. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of
Stus-List CC 30 Mk1 mast height
David, A quick check of the brochure says 42 feet 6 inches from the waterline. Wind instruments not included! Len Sent from my mobile device. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Volvo penta 2003 air silencer
I put an aftermarket air filter on my yanmar and i can tell a difference. Not silent, but quieter. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD Yanmar 3HM35F On Aug 10, 2015 2:36 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, I have a old (no surprise there)volvo penta 2003 and my mechanic said if I put an intake air silencer (part no 840691) on it would reduce the noise level of the engine. Volvo unfortunately no longer makes these things. Can they be found? (No luck yet with search) Is there a better way to do this with other aftermarket parts? More importantly will this reduce the volume of noise my engine makes? Cheers, Bill Mithrandir ’74 CC35 MkII in Victoria,BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off Topic- Automated Race Signals
Try this: http://www.lunenburghooter.ca/ On 8/9/2015 11:37 PM, David Donnelly via CnC-List wrote: I know this is sailing related but it is not CC related. We have a fair number of avid racers on the list and I was hoping for some useful leads. A short background. I started sailing essentially 3 years ago when we bought our CC 26. Although I have only raced in the “fun races” I have been volunteering on the race committee since joining the club. One problem we have always had is lack of other volunteers to help run good races, often there would be only 2 of us. One person usually ran the start countdowns and recorded times and I assisted on line calls and did all the mark setting and adjusting for changes in wind direction. Being on a lake wind shifts are a regular part of the day and while not an excessive amount there is almost always adjusting of the marks. 2 people can manage the duties as long as they know what they are doing, committee boat and mark boat. The other individual is retiring from the committee boat duties. I am only talking keelboat PHRF racing, not dingy racing. Series racing we have 6-8 boats usually and fun races we have 20ish. I have been asked to be fleet captain next year. Having reservations regarding the ability to get volunteers as I have 3 seasons of experience in this regard I am trying to think of ways to “automate” the start sequence so that we can assign other club members to committee boat duty throughout the season. My thought process being if they are intimidated by racing rules, having a simple system pushing a button and watching the line is easier to train and get people acclimated. It also provides consistency to the boats racing that no one “forgets” the horn because they were talking to someone else aboard. I realize this may not be official according to the rules but we are not running the Americas Cup. Having spent some time researching via google there are some commercial alternatives available, only a few I found in North America. I am looking for anyone’s experience with these devices and perhaps problems or ones to avoid. My short list of wants: 1.Ability to do a 5,4,1,0 start. 2.Easy to use / reset. Push button with its own clock 3.Connected to lights instead of using flags so all human intervention is avoided beyond the line observations and recording of time. I think racers on our lake would accept this as long as they are visible. 4.Portable, able to be taken ashore and used on different boats. 5.12V power 6.Reasonable cost The lights seem to be a non-standard option on what I found, at least on this continent, or only on homemade systems. Any leads or links appreciated. Regards David Donnelly CC 26 Mistress ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Boat_Sig Cheers, Jeff Nelson Muir Caileag CC 30 Armdale Y.C. Halifax ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Crom what I can ascertain is you have 2 filters, a large(primary)and a smaller one (secondary). The secondary oil press. is the pressure for this filter. The engine bleeds off some oil (5-10%) and sends it thru this filter and back to the oil sump.The critical pressure is the primary. This is regulated by the oil pressure relief valve (opens around 135psi) and by the clearances in the engine. As the engine wears the oil press will drop. Before changing your oil I would install an oil press guage 0 to 100psi should be enough. See what your pressures are at, cold idle, warm idle, and cruise rpm. Change the oil and filters then check again. This will tell you if the oil is getting diluted. Although old oil will have a lower press than new, but not more than 5-10psi. Feel free to contact me off list if you want. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Date: Mon, Aug 10, 2015 13:50To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Hoyt, Mike;Subject:Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning ThanksPlease explain difference between primary and secondary pressure.MikeFrom: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]Sent: August 10, 2015 5:48 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: svpegasus38@gmail.comSubject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warningMike, for your situation start with the secondary pressure. Not having a manual in front of me. My guess this will give you pressure after the filter. You should be able to detect a pressure drop across all rpm ranges. For reference my 3qm30 pressure is 75 at idle after start. 65 at 2100 engine warm. And 25 at ldle engine warm. Hope this helps.Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38just west of Ballard, WA.___Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
Thanks Please explain difference between primary and secondary pressure. Mike From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: August 10, 2015 5:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: svpegasu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Mike, for your situation start with the secondary pressure. Not having a manual in front of me. My guess this will give you pressure after the filter. You should be able to detect a pressure drop across all rpm ranges. For reference my 3qm30 pressure is 75 at idle after start. 65 at 2100 engine warm. And 25 at ldle engine warm. Hope this helps. Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 just west of Ballard, WA. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Universal Engine panel wiring
Since I got my boat, I have been bothered by the fact that the engine will not start in the way it is described in the manual unless plugged into shore power. The manual says to hold the glow plug button for about 30 seconds and then while continuing to hold that button in, push the start button. When I do that, the starter does not turn over. If I release the glow plug button and push the start button the engine starts fine. My father (retired electrical engineer) and I (genetic engineer- useless in this case but sounds good) spent some time trying to diagnose the problem this weekend and found two interesting things: 1. The buttons both tested fine in terms of their switch function. We then tested power at the engine. There is a heavy red cable coming from the battery to the starter measured 12V. The red-yellow wire from the start button is attached to what I am presuming is the solenoid (the wiring diagram in the manual does not show a solenoid). We only measured 8 volts at the solenoid when the button is pushed, but 12 volts everywhere else. So that probably explains the fact that both the glow plugs and starter won’t work at the same time because we appear to be losing 4 volts in the solenoid. I will pull the starter next winter and have someone test it unless someone has an alternative suggestion. 2. The wiring diagram in the manual (Fig 2 on page 13) shows the power from the key switch coming into the glow plug button and then a wire from the other lead to the start button. The manual shows that wire running from the downstream side of the glow plug switch so that the start button should only be energized when the glow plug button is pushed (as the manual describes). If that were the case, the I would not be able to start the engine with only the start button. Nevertheless, it does start the engine. Tracing the wires, we found that the bridging wire actually came from the hot side of the glow plug switch, so that either button will work independently as both are always powered. What I don’t understand is why you would wire it the other way (as the manual shows) since that would remove the ability to start the engine without the glow plugs (as in an already warm engine). I don’t know if the PO or some yard mechanic made that change or if it is indicated wrong in the manual, so I am curious how other Universal panels are wired. The way it is actually wired makes more sense to me than what is in the manual unless I am missing something. Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Universal Engine panel wiring
If your reading 8V at the solenoid input then you are loosing 4V in the wiring and connections. This is likely due to bad connection, loose or corroded. Did you measure the output pin on the button while pressed? Since it won't start with both buttons pushed it would seem to me the loss is occurring prior to the buttons and the more current you draw through a bad connection the more voltage will be lost over that connection. -- Forwarded message -- From: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com To: CnC CnC discussion list CnC-List@cnc-list.com Cc: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:15:43 -0400 Subject: Stus-List Universal Engine panel wiring Since I got my boat, I have been bothered by the fact that the engine will not start in the way it is described in the manual unless plugged into shore power. The manual says to hold the glow plug button for about 30 seconds and then while continuing to hold that button in, push the start button. When I do that, the starter does not turn over. If I release the glow plug button and push the start button the engine starts fine. My father (retired electrical engineer) and I (genetic engineer- useless in this case but sounds good) spent some time trying to diagnose the problem this weekend and found two interesting things: 1. The buttons both tested fine in terms of their switch function. We then tested power at the engine. There is a heavy red cable coming from the battery to the starter measured 12V. The red-yellow wire from the start button is attached to what I am presuming is the solenoid (the wiring diagram in the manual does not show a solenoid). We only measured 8 volts at the solenoid when the button is pushed, but 12 volts everywhere else. So that probably explains the fact that both the glow plugs and starter won’t work at the same time because we appear to be losing 4 volts in the solenoid. I will pull the starter next winter and have someone test it unless someone has an alternative suggestion. 2. The wiring diagram in the manual (Fig 2 on page 13) shows the power from the key switch coming into the glow plug button and then a wire from the other lead to the start button. The manual shows that wire running from the downstream side of the glow plug switch so that the start button should only be energized when the glow plug button is pushed (as the manual describes). If that were the case, the I would not be able to start the engine with only the start button. Nevertheless, it does start the engine. Tracing the wires, we found that the bridging wire actually came from the hot side of the glow plug switch, so that either button will work independently as both are always powered. What I don’t understand is why you would wire it the other way (as the manual shows) since that would remove the ability to start the engine without the glow plugs (as in an already warm engine). I don’t know if the PO or some yard mechanic made that change or if it is indicated wrong in the manual, so I am curious how other Universal panels are wired. The way it is actually wired makes more sense to me than what is in the manual unless I am missing something. Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ CnC-List mailing list CnC-List@cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI
Three basic questions: Reducing 85 feet of air draft to 65 feet requires 40 degrees of heel. What prep would you need to do to keep all your gear from ending up on the low side in a “gear-alanche”? How in the heck much do those water bags weight to heel a Bermuda 40 that much, and just how much stress do those water bags put on the mast? And who in their right mind would take a boat with an 85 foot air draft down the ICW anyway? Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:26 PM To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI Just tell them to do it like this! https://youtu.be/kiv0fxFcV3I Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 10, 2015 2:27 PM, Davidmidkiff via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Can anyone tell me the mast height above water for a CC 30 MKI. Prospective new owner needs info to make sure they can clear a bridge. David Midkiff Serendipity CC 30 MkI Infatuation CC 35 MKIII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI
Mine is 42 ft from the deck to the top . Just add the freeboard and deck height and you will have the total , my boat is a 1979 also Sent from Joe Bognar On Aug 10, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Davidmidkiff via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Can anyone tell me the mast height above water for a CC 30 MKI. Prospective new owner needs info to make sure they can clear a bridge. David Midkiff Serendipity CC 30 MkI Infatuation CC 35 MKIII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI
Rick I doubt that it was a Bermuda 40. Since it was a yawl(or maybe ketch rigged) , a B40 would likely have only 55 ‘ or less mast height. My CC 41 with a triple spreader tall rig is ~ 62 feet above the water. I keep thinking that I can make it through most of the ICW bridges. Perhaps that boat was a Hinkley Souwester 50?? Don Wagner CC 41 CB Der Baron From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI Three basic questions: Reducing 85 feet of air draft to 65 feet requires 40 degrees of heel. What prep would you need to do to keep all your gear from ending up on the low side in a “gear-alanche”? How in the heck much do those water bags weight to heel a Bermuda 40 that much, and just how much stress do those water bags put on the mast? And who in their right mind would take a boat with an 85 foot air draft down the ICW anyway? Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:26 PM To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI Just tell them to do it like this! https://youtu.be/kiv0fxFcV3I Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 10, 2015 2:27 PM, Davidmidkiff via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Can anyone tell me the mast height above water for a CC 30 MKI. Prospective new owner needs info to make sure they can clear a bridge. David Midkiff Serendipity CC 30 MkI Infatuation CC 35 MKIII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning
I hate to sound like the Grinch, and I just know that I am going to, but… I don’t know what engine you have (presume it is a Yanmar), and I know that most of us ignore the proper procedure from time to time, but I can virtually guarantee that your owner’s manual calls for you to check the oil level before you start the engine each time. I ignore proper procedure myself; my typical practice is to not check if I will be motoring for 15 or 20 minutes but to always check before and after any periods when I run the engine for an hour or more. And I check the engine oil and coolant on OPB’s I am delivering and on charters every morning before the client gets up. And “the middle of the safe zone” is really a low oil situation. Your dipstick is most likely in the back end of the oil pan and the engine is installed at a 10 to 15 degree slant. “Middle of the safe range” might be as low as a quart of oil. When I fill my Universal with the required 3 ½ quarts of oil during an oil change, the oil level is above the top mark on the dipstick by a significant margin. Think of the marks as: Top – OK, full; Bottom – shut down the engine; and In Between – add oil. The possibility of a lower than optimal oil level, combined with the long run at high RPMs and an older engine would seem to make the earlier suggestion that the oil was not circulating back to the oil pan sufficiently to keep the oil pressure above the alarm level a fairly plausible explanation of the behavior you described. I suspect the behavior you report for the alarm and light is another manifestation of the wiring problems typical of Yanmar panels. You report 40 or so hours of engine use in the last 20 days. If use has been like this since May, you are due for an oil change about now anyway (I can’t recall if a Yanmar is every 50 hours or every 100). I’d change the oil and filter, being sure to fully top off the oil, and look at the wiring harness to identify the corrosion or loose connection causing the erratic operation of the alarm. Then see if the situation reappears in the future Rick Brass Washington, NC Formerly Yanmar and Cummins certified technician and trainer for a forklift manufacturer From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Rich Me too! I checked the level on the dipstick immediately after stopping engine. Was middle of “safe” zone. Plan to change oil and filter on the weekend, remove panel, check wiring and check oil pressure. Boat had done a motor sail from Halifax to St Peters July 23-24 (25 hours motor) , St Peters to Dundee July 25 (mostly sail), Dundee to Baddeck Aug 2 (5.5 hrs mostly motor). Every day last week motor on for 20-30 minutes going to race and 10 coming back. Then the next day 5.5 hrs Baddeck to Dundee (motor) . I cannot call this a period of little use. There was another boat named Indigo in Baddeck last week BTW Mike Persistence From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:24 PM To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Knowles Rich Subject: Re: Stus-List 3GM30F Oil Pressure warning Mike: Did you check the oil level after the alarm sounded? It could be low after a period of little use followed by motoring for a few hours. At higher RPM’s, the oil might fall below the pickup as more oil is pumped to the head than returns to the pan. I hope it is simple….. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On Aug 10, 2015, at 09:17, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Oil changed in May. Used 15W 40 Oil level checked July 22 300 mile delivery to Cape Breton (Dundee then Baddeck) July 23 – Aug 2 Yesterday after running engine at 2800 RPM for approx. 5.5 hrs a “clicking sound” was heard in cockpit. Thought at first was from Ram mic but was still there once disconnected. Determined was coming from alarm speaker on Yanmar panel. Tapped panel and then Oil pressure light illuminated and alarm sounded. Shut down engine and sailed to dock (without crashing) At dock started engine and at idle no alarm or light. Revved up to 3000 RPM and the light started flickering and a sputtering sound from the speaker (the clicking sound we heard earlier) which was followed by full illumination of Oil pressure light and full alarm siren. Stoped engine and waited. A few minutes later retarted engine and had no alarm at idle, followed by sputtering and then full alarm at high rpms. Reduced RPMs to idle and alarm stopped and light turned off. Any thoughts? Boat is currently 3.5 hrs away by car so any parts will have to be taken with me in advance
Re: Stus-List CC 30 Mk1 mast height
I measured my mast and its 42 ft to the deck Sent from Joe Bognar On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Mitchell's via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: David, A quick check of the brochure says 42 feet 6 inches from the waterline. Wind instruments not included! Len Sent from my mobile device. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI
IIRC, that was a Hinckley, 60 some feet Bill Coleman Original message From: Don Wagner via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 08/10/2015 9:12 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Don Wagner don.wag...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI Rick I doubt that it was a Bermuda 40. Since it was a yawl(or maybe ketch rigged) , a B40 would likely have only 55 ‘ or less mast height. My CC 41 with a triple spreader tall rig is ~ 62 feet above the water. I keep thinking that I can make it through most of the ICW bridges. Perhaps that boat was a Hinkley Souwester 50?? Don Wagner CC 41 CB Der Baron From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 8:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI Three basic questions: Reducing 85 feet of air draft to 65 feet requires 40 degrees of heel. What prep would you need to do to keep all your gear from ending up on the low side in a “gear-alanche”? How in the heck much do those water bags weight to heel a Bermuda 40 that much, and just how much stress do those water bags put on the mast? And who in their right mind would take a boat with an 85 foot air draft down the ICW anyway? Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:26 PM To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List new topic mast height CC 30 MKI Just tell them to do it like this! https://youtu.be/kiv0fxFcV3I Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 10, 2015 2:27 PM, Davidmidkiff via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Can anyone tell me the mast height above water for a CC 30 MKI. Prospective new owner needs info to make sure they can clear a bridge. David Midkiff Serendipity CC 30 MkI Infatuation CC 35 MKIII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off Topic- Automated Race Signals
We use the regatta pro system for sound signals - it is almost idiot proof if the operators don't mess with the settings! We recently modified the set up so that instead of the electric output going to the supplied air pump (and horns) it now goes directly to power horns in the committee boat. I dare say an electronics engineer could use the electric output signals from the regatta pro to drive lights - but it would not be very easy. Maybe it's commercially available. I am not sure if this is permissible on lakes, but we on Long Island Sound have been placing permanent (removed in the winter) race marks in our racing area. Each year they are re-placed in exactly the same location. Over many many years, the locations have been determined based on common winds. For sure, the windward mark is not always exactly upwind of the chosen starting pin, but usually close enough to satisfy our most competitive sailors. Use of fixed marks, and the regatta pro allows us to run races with two on the committee boat (though we usually have three) and eliminates need for a mark boat. As other Clubs, we also require those that race to do time on the Committee boat - though we do not compensate with a race score. We also rely heavily on non-racing members of the Club to volunteer on RC duty. It's not generally an issue - we make those individuals responsible for finding their own replacements if they cannot perform their duties on a given date. Hope this helps with some ideas. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 9, 2015, at 22:37, David Donnelly via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I know this is sailing related but it is not CC related. We have a fair number of avid racers on the list and I was hoping for some useful leads. A short background. I started sailing essentially 3 years ago when we bought our CC 26. Although I have only raced in the “fun races” I have been volunteering on the race committee since joining the club. One problem we have always had is lack of other volunteers to help run good races, often there would be only 2 of us. One person usually ran the start countdowns and recorded times and I assisted on line calls and did all the mark setting and adjusting for changes in wind direction. Being on a lake wind shifts are a regular part of the day and while not an excessive amount there is almost always adjusting of the marks. 2 people can manage the duties as long as they know what they are doing, committee boat and mark boat. The other individual is retiring from the committee boat duties. I am only talking keelboat PHRF racing, not dingy racing. Series racing we have 6-8 boats usually and fun races we have 20ish. I have been asked to be fleet captain next year. Having reservations regarding the ability to get volunteers as I have 3 seasons of experience in this regard I am trying to think of ways to “automate” the start sequence so that we can assign other club members to committee boat duty throughout the season. My thought process being if they are intimidated by racing rules, having a simple system pushing a button and watching the line is easier to train and get people acclimated. It also provides consistency to the boats racing that no one “forgets” the horn because they were talking to someone else aboard. I realize this may not be official according to the rules but we are not running the Americas Cup. Having spent some time researching via google there are some commercial alternatives available, only a few I found in North America. I am looking for anyone’s experience with these devices and perhaps problems or ones to avoid. My short list of wants: 1. Ability to do a 5,4,1,0 start. 2. Easy to use / reset. Push button with its own clock 3. Connected to lights instead of using flags so all human intervention is avoided beyond the line observations and recording of time. I think racers on our lake would accept this as long as they are visible. 4. Portable, able to be taken ashore and used on different boats. 5. 12V power 6. Reasonable cost The lights seem to be a non-standard option on what I found, at least on this continent, or only on homemade systems. Any leads or links appreciated. Regards David Donnelly CC 26 Mistress ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
