Re: Stus-List transom ladder

[John McKay via CnC-List]

thanks BradWhere is Pulse in the yard?
is she tarped or would I be able to see the ladder and get some measurements?
John
 

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:37 AM, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Good morning JohnYou're welcome to take measurements and pictures from Pulse 
if you find a welder, should be someone local that can weld that up for 
you.BradC 33MkII "Pulse"

I'd rather be sailing

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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Yes.  By "fresh water cooled" I mean my Atomic 4 has a closed loop cooling 
system with a heat exchanger circulating a mixture of water and antifreeze 
(just like a car).  It then goes through a heat exchanger that dissipates the 
engine heat into seawater that's pumped into the exchanger.  I primarily sail 
in salt water... Hence the "fresh water cooled" description.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 16:11, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List 
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> Boats without a closed loop coolant system are called “raw water cooled”.
>  
> Jake
>  
> Jake Brodersen
> C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”
> Hampton VA
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joseph 
> Bognar via CnC-List
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant
>  
> If your boat is fresh water cooled then it should not have anti freeze in it 
> at all . 
> 
> Sent from Joe Bognar
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Boats without a closed loop coolant system are called “raw water cooled”.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

 

If your boat is fresh water cooled then it should not have anti freeze in it at 
all . 

Sent from Joe Bognar

 

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Re: Stus-List Boom vanging...

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

If his mast is anything like the one in my 35 MKII, lots of thickness
to drill and tap, that's the way to go and since it's likely a
permanent install drill tap and use bolts, 1/4 20 stainless, 3/4 inch
long should do fine
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On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List
 wrote:
> 1/4" stainless steel with stainless steel mandrel pop rivets have a tensile
> strength up to 2000 lbs.
>
> http://www.crawfordproducts.com/ultragrip.htm
>
> Even an aluminum / aluminum rivet is fairly strong at up to 890 lbs.
>
> I doubt there is any advantage to using a rivet unless the wall thickness of
> the mast only allows
> a couple of full threads to catch. With thinner section sizes a rivet may
> have more tensile strength.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:28:43 -0500
> From: wwadjo...@aol.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom vanging...
> Message-ID: <1528f80b523-34b0-1...@webprd-m22.mail.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Eric,
> ? I would be concerned that aluminum pop rivets wouldn't be strong enough.?
> They may be.? I drilled and tapped for stainless, used antiseize.  Have
> removed one at a time yearly since just to check.  All good.
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Evening Star
> Pentwater, Mi
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> On Friday, January 29, 2016 Eric Frank via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Just installing a Garhauer boom vang on Cat?s Paw this winter. ?Do you guys
> recommend aluminum pop rivets - in case I ever need to remove it? ?In my
> experience, SS screws tapped into the mast or boom hold fine but are a devil
> to get out because of electrolysis. ?The pop rivets can just be drilled out.
>
> Eric Frank
> Cat's Paw
> C 35 Mk II
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

You need antifreeze for winter storage in climates which freeze. Plumbing 
antifreeze is fine as it's biodegradable.

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

If your boat is fresh water cooled then it should not have anti freeze in it at 
all . 

Sent from Joe Bognar



On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
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Thanks very much.  Yes it's a fresh water-cooled A4.  Joseph, I am going to 
check the sump near the mast step too, but based on where it's pooling I think 
it's coming from the bilge just forward of the motor under the cabin sole - the 
hardest spot to reach.


John, if that turns out not to be where it is coming from, I'm definitely going 
to head to the boat at night and get out my flashlight.  Good advice!


Thanks again 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:40, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
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Mike — there are actually at least a couple of women on the list, as well… FYI… 
  :^)


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Headgorilla via CnC-List  
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Good Morning Men...
 


Mike
Skywalker 1978 34"
Southold, NY 


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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Mike — there are actually at least a couple of women on the list, as well… FYI… 
  :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
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> Good Morning Men...
>  
> 
> Mike
> Skywalker 1978 34"
> Southold, NY 

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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Thanks very much.  Yes it's a fresh water-cooled A4.  Joseph, I am going to 
check the sump near the mast step too, but based on where it's pooling I think 
it's coming from the bilge just forward of the motor under the cabin sole - the 
hardest spot to reach.

John, if that turns out not to be where it is coming from, I'm definitely going 
to head to the boat at night and get out my flashlight.  Good advice!

Thanks again 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:40, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mike — there are actually at least a couple of women on the list, as well… 
> FYI…   :^)
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Headgorilla via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
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>> Good Morning Men...
>>  
>> 
>> Mike
>> Skywalker 1978 34"
>> Southold, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[sthoma20--- via CnC-List]

You could also try arranging some white paper towels on a cookie sheet or bits 
of plywood under the engine. Pumps are a particular candidate for suspicion in 
my opinion, especially when temperature changes appear to be a factor. 

Steve Thomas
C 
Merritt Island, FL


 Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  wrote: 
> Thanks very much.  Yes it's a fresh water-cooled A4.  Joseph, I am going to 
> check the sump near the mast step too, but based on where it's pooling I 
> think it's coming from the bilge just forward of the motor under the cabin 
> sole - the hardest spot to reach.
> 
> John, if that turns out not to be where it is coming from, I'm definitely 
> going to head to the boat at night and get out my flashlight.  Good advice!
> 
> Thanks again 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: Stus-List Boom vanging...

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

1/4" stainless steel with stainless steel mandrel pop rivets have a tensile 
strength up to 2000 lbs.

http://www.crawfordproducts.com/ultragrip.htm

Even an aluminum / aluminum rivet is fairly strong at up to 890 lbs.

I doubt there is any advantage to using a rivet unless the wall thickness of 
the mast only allows
a couple of full threads to catch. With thinner section sizes a rivet may have 
more tensile strength.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:28:43 -0500 
From: wwadjo...@aol.com 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom vanging... 
Message-ID: <1528f80b523-34b0-1...@webprd-m22.mail.aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
Eric, 
? I would be concerned that aluminum pop rivets wouldn't be strong enough.? 
They may be.? I drilled and tapped for stainless, used antiseize.  Have removed 
one at a time yearly since just to check.  All good.   
Bill Walker 
CnC 36 
Evening Star 
Pentwater, Mi 
 
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On Friday, January 29, 2016 Eric Frank via CnC-List  
wrote: 
 
Just installing a Garhauer boom vang on Cat?s Paw this winter. ?Do you guys 
recommend aluminum pop rivets - in case I ever need to remove it? ?In my 
experience, SS screws tapped into the mast or boom hold fine but are a devil to 
get out because of electrolysis. ?The pop rivets can just be drilled out. 
 
Eric Frank 
Cat's Paw 
C 35 Mk II 
Mattapoisett, MA  
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Joseph Bognar via CnC-List]

If your boat is fresh water cooled then it should not have anti freeze in it at 
all . 

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks very much.  Yes it's a fresh water-cooled A4.  Joseph, I am going to 
> check the sump near the mast step too, but based on where it's pooling I 
> think it's coming from the bilge just forward of the motor under the cabin 
> sole - the hardest spot to reach.
> 
> John, if that turns out not to be where it is coming from, I'm definitely 
> going to head to the boat at night and get out my flashlight.  Good advice!
> 
> Thanks again 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:40, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mike — there are actually at least a couple of women on the list, as well… 
>> FYI…   :^)
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Headgorilla via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good Morning Men...
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> Skywalker 1978 34"
>>> Southold, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Also good ideas.  Thanks.  You guys rock.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:39, robert via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> For several winters, I was loosing approx. a cup of engine 
> antifreeze..only in the winter, not during the sailing season.
> 
> I placed white paper towel in plastic trays under the enginefound the 
> location of the leakturned out to be at a loose hose 
> connection.tighten the SS clamps and problem solved.
> 
> Must have been the cold temp causing expansion inside the hose.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
>> On 2016-01-30 1:16 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List wrote:
>> You could also try arranging some white paper towels on a cookie sheet or 
>> bits of plywood under the engine. Pumps are a particular candidate for 
>> suspicion in my opinion, especially when temperature changes appear to be a 
>> factor.
>> 
>> Steve Thomas
>> C
>> Merritt Island, FL
> 
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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Yeah, but they're not the ones crawling around an 
engine looking for leaks. It's good that they 
have the info though, so they can direct the guy on what needs to be done.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet, 35 mk-1
Neanderthal skipper


At 08:40 AM 30/01/2016, you wrote:
Mike — there are actually at least a couple of 
women on the list, as well… FYI…   :^)


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
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On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Headgorilla via 
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Good Morning Men...


Mike
Skywalker 1978 34"
Southold, NY


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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

FWC does not usually mean *literally* fresh water cooled. North of Florida, 
most “FWC” engines use a mix of water and antifreeze. I buy the premix 50/50 
antifreeze myself for my A4. 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joseph 
Bognar via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joseph Bognar 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

 

If your boat is fresh water cooled then it should not have anti freeze in it at 
all . 

Sent from Joe Bognar

 


On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  > wrote:

Thanks very much.  Yes it's a fresh water-cooled A4.  Joseph, I am going to 
check the sump near the mast step too, but based on where it's pooling I think 
it's coming from the bilge just forward of the motor under the cabin sole - the 
hardest spot to reach.

 

John, if that turns out not to be where it is coming from, I'm definitely going 
to head to the boat at night and get out my flashlight.  Good advice!

 

Thanks again 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:40, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 > wrote:

Mike — there are actually at least a couple of women on the list, as well… FYI… 
  :^)


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Headgorilla via CnC-List  > wrote:

 

Good Morning Men...

 

 

Mike

Skywalker 1978 34"

Southold, NY 

 

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Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[robert via CnC-List]

For several winters, I was loosing approx. a cup of engine 
antifreeze..only in the winter, not during the sailing season.


I placed white paper towel in plastic trays under the enginefound 
the location of the leakturned out to be at a loose hose 
connection.tighten the SS clamps and problem solved.


Must have been the cold temp causing expansion inside the hose.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-01-30 1:16 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List wrote:

You could also try arranging some white paper towels on a cookie sheet or bits 
of plywood under the engine. Pumps are a particular candidate for suspicion in 
my opinion, especially when temperature changes appear to be a factor.

Steve Thomas
C
Merritt Island, FL





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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Headgorilla via CnC-List]

Well Said Russ, my apologies to all of the ladies! 
 
MIke
Skywalker, 34'
Southold, NY
 
-Original Message-
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To: cnc-list 
Cc: Russ & Melody 
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2016 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant



Yeah, but they're not the ones crawling around an engine looking forleaks. It's 
good that they have the info though, so they can direct theguy on what needs to 
be done.

Cheers,Russ
Sweet, 35 mk-1
Neanderthal skipper


At 08:40 AM 30/01/2016, you wrote:

Mike — there are actually atleast a couple of women on the list, as well… FYI…  
:^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield,WI   :^(


On Jan 30, 2016, at 6:19 AM,Headgorilla via 
CnC-Listwrote:

Good Morning Men...
 

Mike
Skywalker 1978 34"
Southold, NY 

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Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant

[Headgorilla via CnC-List]

Good Morning Men,
 
In the early 80's I was crew on a large commercial fishing boat with twin 3408 
CATS. We had a coolant leak we could not find for love nor money.
 
This old CAT mechanic came to the boat finally and showed us the trick to 
visually finding coolant leaks.
 
He made us turn off all the lights in the engine room so it was pitch black, 
then he went down there with just a Maglite and searched over the engines and 
in few minutes was able to find the small bead of antifreeze coming from a 
pinhole in an elbow on the cooling system..

He said that when looking for leaks it is best to do it in complete darkness, 
this way your eyesight is not distracted by all the shadows and colors in a 
lighted engine room or compartment.

I would imagine if you were to pressurize the system (at night) and then look 
with a flashlight, you would find your leak pretty quick...

Mike
Skywalker 1978 34"
Southold, NY 
 
 
-Original Message-
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To: cnc-list 
Cc: Joseph Bognar 
Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2016 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mystery Coolant



My A4 is fresh water cooled . If you have Anti Freeze in your motor . I am 
guessing that it is a closed system . You can pressure test your engine. There 
should be a heat exchanger on the engine . There is a sump under your mast step 
on the 30 - 1 also . The antifreeze may be coming from there from a previous 
spill 


Joseph Bognar 
1979 C 30 MK 1 
In Luff Again 11

Sent from Joe Bognar




On Jan 29, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
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Joe and Joel - thank you guys.  Apologies, I was on "digest mode", so I didn't 
see your responses until now.  I know it's engine coolant because as Joe said - 
"nothing else on the boat looks like it".  Joel, I have a feeling you're right 
about the source.  I think there was coolant in the aft part of my bilge - 
either it was spilled or the previous owner intentionally put it down there, 
and when it rains hard it's being pushed into the sump.  If this is the case, 
I'm just surprised that it's retaining it's brilliant fluorescent green color 
after being watered diluted so much.  It's very green.  Looks the same as 
what's in the reservoir.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:

Replying to my own thread again here..  I've read a few times online that 
people sometimes add antifreeze to a wet bilge during the winter.  Now I'm 
wondering if there is some residual antifreeze left in the aft portion of my 
bilge from the previous owner (I bought the boat in Oct), and it's being mixed 
with some rainwater and ending up down there.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:

I forgot to give the details on my boat - She's a 1976 30 mki and she's 
winterized and up on stands.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:



Hey everyone, 


Thank you for the responses last week about my tiller - which I went out to 
observe/fix today and then got distracted by another issue - c'est la vie.

Sometimes after heavy precipitation I find engine coolant in my bilge.  This 
ONLY happens after heavy precip - like last week here in NYC. 


I inspected the cooling system plumbing connections and hoses on my A4 and I've 
looked over the engine itself, there are no leaks I can see.  Also, the level 
of coolant in the engine's reservoir has remained constant for months.  

If it was leaking from the motor, the level in the reservoir would be going 
down, right?  That said, the engine is winterized, so the water pump hasn't 
spun since October.

The fact that it only happens after it rains is really confounding me too.  A 
constant leak from the engine would steadily fill my bilge no matter what the 
weather was, right?  The water system on the boat is winterized with pink 
antifreeze, so it's not that.


Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.














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Stus-List transom ladder

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

Good morning John
You're welcome to take measurements and pictures from Pulse if you find a 
welder, should be someone local that can weld that up for you.
Brad
C 33MkII "Pulse"



I'd rather be sailing

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 120, Issue 103

[Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List]

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!important; }  Thanks for looking out for us Fred!

Barbara L. Hickson"Flight Risk" C 33-1Charleston, SC



 

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