Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I have little faith in fuel polishing.  Seen boat owners get their fuel
polished them have issues the next time they're in rough seas.  Better to
pull the tank and clean it or cut an access port and clean it.

I had a fuel dock put a bit of gasoline in my diesel tank once (0.5 gallons
in 18 gallon tank) before I stopped them.  Engine only had 18 hours on it.
They refused to pump it out.  I had to get it pumped out myself.  Cost me a
few $$$.  I don't go into that fuel dock anymore.

Anyway, the next week I called the engine manufacturer technical manager.
He said that small amount of gasoline probably wouldn't have hurt.  He
explained the issue with a small amount of gasoline in diesel is not the
octane boost but the reduction in lubricity.
He said I could have simply added a pint or two of Marvel Mystery Oil and
been OK.  I keep a quart on the boat now.

I have an Algae-X fuel conditioner on my diesel so I only add a lubricity
agent, Stanadyne 38560.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 3:39 PM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Get rid of that old and dirty fuel and clean the tanks out.   Forget
> polishing.   If you don't this issue will rear it's ugly head at the most
> inopportune and perhaps dangerous time of trying motor out of a precarious
> situation with a seaway now dislodging and putting crap into your fuel
> lines and which will surely shut the engine down.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
> Date: 6/18/17 1:55 PM (GMT-04:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: svpegasus38 
> Subject: Stus-List Fuel conditioners
>
> Hi all,
> My new (to me) boat has water in all 3 fuel tanks. And one tank hasn't
> been used in 14 years, but is full, or mostly so.
> An old salt told me that in the old days they swore by Marvel Mystery oil.
> Has anyone heard of this? . I have used Soltron in the past with good
> results. Trying to figure the best (easiest and cheapest) way to clean this
> tank. There is a clean out on it.
> May question is would I be better off hiring a company to come and polish
> the fuel or try and do it myself?
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yep.  Open V-cleat or as some call them, clamcleats.  To be technical, I
think a jam cleat is a horn cleat with a V-cleat under one of the horns.
V-cleats and clamcleats come in a variety of types.  Not to be confused
with cam cleats.


I thought I was the only one with V-cleats (clamcleats) for sheets.
Touche' has same thing.  Two pairs of V-cleats for the primary and
secondary winches.  Mounted on angled teak blocks.  I like them for racing
also.  Every now and then a line gets cleated inadvertently.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:12 AM, David Kaseler  wrote:

> Open V-cleats? Ok, I just call them jam cleats. In any case, I would
> hesitate to use them for a halyard application unless it was for a
> temporary application as Dennis C. suggests. Having said that I use them
> for my headsail sheets and like them very much. We have no conventional
> cleats in SLY's cockpit, just these jam cleats mounted on angled brackets
> at all 4 of the cockpit winches. It is so easy to drop the sheets into
> these and release the sheets from these when tacking and while making small
> adjusts to any of the headsails including the spinnaker. SLY came to us
> with this arrangement many years ago. Great for racing.
> Dave.
> SLY
> 1975 C&C 33
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:16 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Those, or a similar version should be available from Ronstan, Camcleat,
> Selden and others.  They are called open V-cleats.
>
> http://www.mauripro.com/us/product/SEL432010R.html
>
> However, I need to ask exactly what you intend to do with it.  If you are
> going to permanently cleat the halyard I'd consider a rope clutch instead.
> If you are looking to temporarily cleat a spinnaker halyard after hoisting
> until the pit person can tidy up and take up slack in the tail, then I'd
> recommend a spinnaker halyard parking cleat.  The bracket can be found here:
>
> http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html
>
> Mount a Harken 150 aluminum cam cleat in it.  I have one on Touche' and it
> works pretty slick.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Dave S via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be
>> cleat-able at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.
>>
>> Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?
>>
>>
>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

[David via CnC-List]

Get rid of that old and dirty fuel and clean the tanks out.   Forget polishing. 
  If you don't this issue will rear it's ugly head at the most inopportune and 
perhaps dangerous time of trying motor out of a precarious situation with a 
seaway now dislodging and putting crap into your fuel lines and which will 
surely shut the engine down.



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
Date: 6/18/17 1:55 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: svpegasus38 
Subject: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

Hi all,
My new (to me) boat has water in all 3 fuel tanks. And one tank hasn't been 
used in 14 years, but is full, or mostly so.
An old salt told me that in the old days they swore by Marvel Mystery oil. Has 
anyone heard of this? . I have used Soltron in the past with good results. 
Trying to figure the best (easiest and cheapest) way to clean this tank. There 
is a clean out on it.
May question is would I be better off hiring a company to come and polish the 
fuel or try and do it myself?



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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POYC
Pegasus
Lf38
Significant Other
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Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

You didn't describe what type of fuel - gas or diesel.  Gas - you can
separate, drain, and use additives like alcohol (sold as HEET).

Diesel is a little harder since it will grow biological contaminants.  If
you want to try to save some money and do it yourself then draining the
water/fuel off the bottom is the first step.  Inspect the drained fuel for
debris and bio growth.  This is less to determine condition of the fuel and
more to determine the internal condition of the fuel tanks.  There are all
types of possible scenarios where a bio-mat has grown on the interface
between the water and fuel, clung to the tank sides, etc.  Long story
short, debris is going to make it to the dropout drain point.  More water =
more debris/sludge = more need for further
consideration/evaluation/cleaning.

All of the fuel can be pumped through a 2 micron fuel filter (Racor) and
absorbed water can then be removed with a filter funnel.

That's what I would do to get a better picture of how bad the situation is
before spending a lot of time and money on other solutions.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Jun 18, 2017 12:55 PM, "svpegasus38 via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> My new (to me) boat has water in all 3 fuel tanks. And one tank hasn't
> been used in 14 years, but is full, or mostly so.
> An old salt told me that in the old days they swore by Marvel Mystery oil.
> Has anyone heard of this? . I have used Soltron in the past with good
> results. Trying to figure the best (easiest and cheapest) way to clean this
> tank. There is a clean out on it.
> May question is would I be better off hiring a company to come and polish
> the fuel or try and do it myself?
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy
> POYC
> Pegasus
> Lf38
> Significant Other
> LF39
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Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The most common source of water in fuel is the leak through the fuel cap. The 
O-rings there have a tendency to crumble without telling anyone.

I am guessing, but it is more than likely diesel fuel (??). With normal gas you 
might get away using some pure alcohol (even fuel line antifreeze) - it is very 
hygroscopic, so it could absorb the water and then you would burn it up.

Polishing won’t help you that much. You need to get the water out.

I would suggest pump it out, clean the tanks (you say you have a clean out port 
there) and either re-use the fuel (less recommended) or give it to a tractor or 
a oil furnace owner.

No amount of stabiliser or fuel treatment would get rid of the water (not to 
mention that it won’t solve the water ingress issue).

Good luck

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

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Barba via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 15:26
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

MMO is nice, but it will do less than 0 to solve a water in fuel issue.

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com

C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

MMO is nice, but it will do less than 0 to solve a water in fuel issue.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

C&C 35 MK I

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via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 1:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Irvin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

 

I swear by it. Have used it in the Atomic 4 as long as I have had my boat. Hard 
to get in Canada but readily available in US auto stores.

Moyer even recommends it.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:55 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi all, 

My new (to me) boat has water in all 3 fuel tanks. And one tank hasn't been 
used in 14 years, but is full, or mostly so. 

An old salt told me that in the old days they swore by Marvel Mystery oil. Has 
anyone heard of this? . I have used Soltron in the past with good results. 
Trying to figure the best (easiest and cheapest) way to clean this tank. There 
is a clean out on it.  

May question is would I be better off hiring a company to come and polish the 
fuel or try and do it myself?  

 

 

 

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Doug Mountjoy 

POYC 

Pegasus 

Lf38 

Significant Other 

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Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I used in on my 34’s Atomic 4.  Seemed to work great.

From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 1:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: John Irvin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

I swear by it. Have used it in the Atomic 4 as long as I have had my boat. Hard 
to get in Canada but readily available in US auto stores.
Moyer even recommends it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:55 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
wrote:


  Hi all, 
  My new (to me) boat has water in all 3 fuel tanks. And one tank hasn't been 
used in 14 years, but is full, or mostly so. 
  An old salt told me that in the old days they swore by Marvel Mystery oil. 
Has anyone heard of this? . I have used Soltron in the past with good results. 
Trying to figure the best (easiest and cheapest) way to clean this tank. There 
is a clean out on it.  
  May question is would I be better off hiring a company to come and polish the 
fuel or try and do it myself?  



  Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
  Doug Mountjoy 
  POYC 
  Pegasus 
  Lf38 
  Significant Other 
  LF39
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Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

I swear by it. Have used it in the Atomic 4 as long as I have had my boat. Hard 
to get in Canada but readily available in US auto stores.
Moyer even recommends it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:55 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi all,
My new (to me) boat has water in all 3 fuel tanks. And one tank hasn't been 
used in 14 years, but is full, or mostly so.
An old salt told me that in the old days they swore by Marvel Mystery oil. Has 
anyone heard of this? . I have used Soltron in the past with good results. 
Trying to figure the best (easiest and cheapest) way to clean this tank. There 
is a clean out on it.
May question is would I be better off hiring a company to come and polish the 
fuel or try and do it myself?



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
Doug Mountjoy
POYC
Pegasus
Lf38
Significant Other
LF39
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Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Doug, you have to pump the water out. You can do that with your racor and drain 
frequently or the proper way and get rid of it before. No amount of fuel 
conditioner will convert water to diesel so don't even try to run it through 
your engine...unless you want to replace your fuel pump!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:54, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> My new (to me) boat has water in all 3 fuel tanks. And one tank hasn't been 
> used in 14 years, but is full, or mostly so. 
> An old salt told me that in the old days they swore by Marvel Mystery oil. 
> Has anyone heard of this? . I have used Soltron in the past with good 
> results. Trying to figure the best (easiest and cheapest) way to clean this 
> tank. There is a clean out on it.  
> May question is would I be better off hiring a company to come and polish the 
> fuel or try and do it myself?  
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus 
> Lf38 
> Significant Other 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel conditioners

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

I use Marvel Mystery Oil in the gasoline for my Atomic 4 engine as advised by 
Don Moyer of Moyer Marine. These guys are the authority for all things Atomic 
4. I also use it in my two air cooled VWs. I think it helps keep the interior 
parts properly lubricated. You should be able to find this product in any 
hardware or auto parts store. I bought my last jug from ACE Hardware. I'm not 
sure about diesel. If that tank has been full for 14 years, I would certainly 
have the tank professionally cleaned. Probably all three.
Dave. K
SLY C&C 33 1975

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 9:54 AM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> My new (to me) boat has water in all 3 fuel tanks. And one tank hasn't been 
> used in 14 years, but is full, or mostly so. 
> An old salt told me that in the old days they swore by Marvel Mystery oil. 
> Has anyone heard of this? . I have used Soltron in the past with good 
> results. Trying to figure the best (easiest and cheapest) way to clean this 
> tank. There is a clean out on it.  
> May question is would I be better off hiring a company to come and polish the 
> fuel or try and do it myself?  
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
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> Pegasus 
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I installed a Schaeffer rope clutch, just below where the spinnaker halyard
exits from the mast.  One person can raise the spinnaker without waiting
for another crew member to tail.  After the spinnaker is fully raised, the
same crew member can tidy up the  halyard, cleat the halyard and release
the rope clutch.  These clutches are no longer made, but they are available
at marine chandleries that sell used components.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Dave via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thanks Dennis.   I found clamcleat, (which was what I thought they were
> called)  who I think is the patent holder, and is identified as the
> manufacturer for Selden's equivalent.   I could not find the same form
> factor in clamcleat's offering but maybe I missed it.
>
> The question you ask is a good one.  I have had fun single handing with a
> spinnaker, learning the hard (but fun) way why one might need to manage the
> halyard at the mast, and am trying to decide the approach.
>
> The  33-2 has 3 fore halyards.   One is used for the jib, the other two
> are on either side of that and are referred to to as port and starboard
> wing halyards.  When I got Windstar only one was rigged.   There is a spare
> sheave for the heretofore unused one on the 5-sheave deck organizer, but no
> clutch or cleat available on the cabin top.
>
> So, basically I have the choice of a mast-belayed starboard wing halyard
> in addition to the cockpit belayed port wing halyard,  or adding clutch
> capacity to starboard, and a parking cleat to one or both.
>
> Simplest is to have one at the mast and one at the cockpit, maybe with a
> parking cleat installed on the cockpit-belayed port side halyard.   Maybe a
> standard horn cleat on the mast for the starboard halyard.  The halyards
> are internal, so a stop-knotted halyard cannot fly out of reach.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Dave.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
>
> Those, or a similar version should be available from Ronstan, Camcleat,
> Selden and others.  They are called open V-cleats.
>
> http://www.mauripro.com/us/product/SEL432010R.html
> 
>
> However, I need to ask exactly what you intend to do with it.  If you are
> going to permanently cleat the halyard I'd consider a rope clutch instead.
> If you are looking to temporarily cleat a spinnaker halyard after hoisting
> until the pit person can tidy up and take up slack in the tail, then I'd
> recommend a spinnaker halyard parking cleat.  The bracket can be found here:
>
> http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html
> 
>
> Mount a Harken 150 aluminum cam cleat in it.  I have one on Touche' and it
> works pretty slick.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Dave S via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be
>> cleat-able at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.
>>
>> Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?
>>
>>
>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html
>> 
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Fuel conditioners

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Hi all, My new (to me) boat has water in all 3 fuel tanks. And one tank hasn't 
been used in 14 years, but is full, or mostly so. An old salt told me that in 
the old days they swore by Marvel Mystery oil. Has anyone heard of this? . I 
have used Soltron in the past with good results. Trying to figure the best 
(easiest and cheapest) way to clean this tank. There is a clean out on it.  May 
question is would I be better off hiring a company to come and polish the fuel 
or try and do it myself?  


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Re: Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[Dave via CnC-List]

Thanks Dennis.   I found clamcleat, (which was what I thought they were called) 
 who I think is the patent holder, and is identified as the manufacturer for 
Selden's equivalent.   I could not find the same form factor in clamcleat's 
offering but maybe I missed it.  

The question you ask is a good one.  I have had fun single handing with a 
spinnaker, learning the hard (but fun) way why one might need to manage the 
halyard at the mast, and am trying to decide the approach.  

The  33-2 has 3 fore halyards.   One is used for the jib, the other two are on 
either side of that and are referred to to as port and starboard wing halyards. 
 When I got Windstar only one was rigged.   There is a spare sheave for the 
heretofore unused one on the 5-sheave deck organizer, but no clutch or cleat 
available on the cabin top.

So, basically I have the choice of a mast-belayed starboard wing halyard in 
addition to the cockpit belayed port wing halyard,  or adding clutch capacity 
to starboard, and a parking cleat to one or both.   

Simplest is to have one at the mast and one at the cockpit, maybe with a 
parking cleat installed on the cockpit-belayed port side halyard.   Maybe a 
standard horn cleat on the mast for the starboard halyard.  The halyards are 
internal, so a stop-knotted halyard cannot fly out of reach.

Thoughts?

Dave.


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> On Jun 18, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
> Those, or a similar version should be available from Ronstan, Camcleat, 
> Selden and others.  They are called open V-cleats.  
> 
> http://www.mauripro.com/us/product/SEL432010R.html
> 
> However, I need to ask exactly what you intend to do with it.  If you are 
> going to permanently cleat the halyard I'd consider a rope clutch instead.  
> If you are looking to temporarily cleat a spinnaker halyard after hoisting 
> until the pit person can tidy up and take up slack in the tail, then I'd 
> recommend a spinnaker halyard parking cleat.  The bracket can be found here:
> 
> http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html
> 
> Mount a Harken 150 aluminum cam cleat in it.  I have one on Touche' and it 
> works pretty slick.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Dave S via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be cleat-able 
>> at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.
>> Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?  
>> 
>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

Open V-cleats? Ok, I just call them jam cleats. In any case, I would hesitate 
to use them for a halyard application unless it was for a temporary application 
as Dennis C. suggests. Having said that I use them for my headsail sheets and 
like them very much. We have no conventional cleats in SLY's cockpit, just 
these jam cleats mounted on angled brackets at all 4 of the cockpit winches. It 
is so easy to drop the sheets into these and release the sheets from these when 
tacking and while making small adjusts to any of the headsails including the 
spinnaker. SLY came to us with this arrangement many years ago. Great for 
racing.
Dave.
SLY
1975 C&C 33

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> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:16 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Those, or a similar version should be available from Ronstan, Camcleat, 
> Selden and others.  They are called open V-cleats.  
> 
> http://www.mauripro.com/us/product/SEL432010R.html
> 
> However, I need to ask exactly what you intend to do with it.  If you are 
> going to permanently cleat the halyard I'd consider a rope clutch instead.  
> If you are looking to temporarily cleat a spinnaker halyard after hoisting 
> until the pit person can tidy up and take up slack in the tail, then I'd 
> recommend a spinnaker halyard parking cleat.  The bracket can be found here:
> 
> http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html
> 
> Mount a Harken 150 aluminum cam cleat in it.  I have one on Touche' and it 
> works pretty slick.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Dave S via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be cleat-able 
>> at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.
>> Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?  
>> 
>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Red Antifreeze in westerbeke 44B 4

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Not recommending dexcool.

I too have seen and heard bad things about dexcool.  As I understand it, it
is an organic coolant and after ao many years and miles it turns to goop.
If you can't figure out what it is then your best bet is to change it out
and start from ground zero.

I do like the propylene glycol coolants for marine applications simply
because of their low toxicity should some make it to the bilge.

Josh




On Sun, Jun 18, 2017, 9:54 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've seen some negative feedback to dexcool and it having been referred to
> as deathcool.
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>  Original message 
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> Date: 6/18/17 9:41 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: C&C List 
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Red Antifreeze in westerbeke 44B 4
>
> GM Dexcool is redish.
>
> I've recommended Amsoil in the past and can provide a link if desired.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Jun 18, 2017 7:16 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I needed to add antifreeze after hooking the water heater back up.  So I
> decided to drain it all and replace.  The antifreeze is red in color and I
> want to make sure I replace with a compatible antifreeze because I'd rather
> not have to do a complete flush as it will postpone my launch...
>
> As best as I can tell it seems that the red stuff is the Nitrate free
> stuff.  I was thinking of going with the Rotella ELC-NF.  Is my thinking
> off base here?
>
>
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Red Antifreeze in westerbeke 44B 4

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I've seen some negative feedback to dexcool and it having been referred to as 
deathcool.


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 Date: 6/18/17  9:41 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: C&C List 
 Cc: Josh Muckley  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Red Antifreeze in westerbeke 44B 4 
GM Dexcool is redish.
I've recommended Amsoil in the past and can provide a link if desired.
Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD 
On Jun 18, 2017 7:16 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List"  
wrote:
Hi guys,
 
I needed to add antifreeze after hooking the water heater back up.  So I 
decided to drain it all and replace.  The antifreeze is red in color and I want 
to make sure I replace with a compatible antifreeze because I'd rather not have 
to do a complete flush as it will postpone my launch...  
 
As best as I can tell it seems that the red stuff is the Nitrate free stuff.  I 
was thinking of going with the Rotella ELC-NF.  Is my thinking off base here?
 
 

Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA


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Re: Stus-List Red Antifreeze in westerbeke 44B 4

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

GM Dexcool is redish.

I've recommended Amsoil in the past and can provide a link if desired.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jun 18, 2017 7:16 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Hi guys,

I needed to add antifreeze after hooking the water heater back up.  So I
decided to drain it all and replace.  The antifreeze is red in color and I
want to make sure I replace with a compatible antifreeze because I'd rather
not have to do a complete flush as it will postpone my launch...

As best as I can tell it seems that the red stuff is the Nitrate free
stuff.  I was thinking of going with the Rotella ELC-NF.  Is my thinking
off base here?


Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Those, or a similar version should be available from Ronstan, Camcleat,
Selden and others.  They are called open V-cleats.

http://www.mauripro.com/us/product/SEL432010R.html

However, I need to ask exactly what you intend to do with it.  If you are
going to permanently cleat the halyard I'd consider a rope clutch instead.
If you are looking to temporarily cleat a spinnaker halyard after hoisting
until the pit person can tidy up and take up slack in the tail, then I'd
recommend a spinnaker halyard parking cleat.  The bracket can be found here:

http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html

Mount a Harken 150 aluminum cam cleat in it.  I have one on Touche' and it
works pretty slick.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be
> cleat-able at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.
>
> Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?
>
>
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be cleat-able
at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.

Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?


http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html


Dave
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Stus-List Red Antifreeze in westerbeke 44B 4

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi guys, I needed to add antifreeze after hooking the water heater back up.  So 
I decided to drain it all and replace.  The antifreeze is red in color and I 
want to make sure I replace with a compatible antifreeze because I'd rather not 
have to do a complete flush as it will postpone my launch...   As best as I can 
tell it seems that the red stuff is the Nitrate free stuff.  I was thinking of 
going with the Rotella ELC-NF.  Is my thinking off base here?  DannyT40Rum 
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