Re: Stus-List foot pumps in galley

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

My boat has knockoff Whale Galley foot pumps.  They look identical to the
Whale pumps. but the mounting is different.  I got them directly from TMC
International, but their web site address no longer works.  You can see
them on ebay here:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC2.A0.H0.XTMC+Foot+pump.TRS1&_nkw=TMC+Foot+pump&_sacat=0

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

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> Does anyone have an idea what brand the foot pumps (there are 3) are in a
> 1986 Landfall 39?
>
> It is black, and has no company name. The only label says "Made in Taiwan."
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Bill
>
> MYSTY
> 1986 Landfall 39
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Re: Stus-List foot pumps in galley

[Lloyd Lippe via CnC-List]

Hello Bill,

My Landfall 39 has Whale foot pumps but they are all white.  Have been very 
pleased with them

Lloyd Lippe




From: Bill via CnC-List 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: bria...@aol.com 
Subject: Stus-List foot pumps in galley

Does anyone have an idea what brand the foot pumps (there are 3) are in a 1986 
Landfall 39? 

It is black, and has no company name. The only label says "Made in Taiwan."

Thanks in advance for any help.

Bill

MYSTY
1986 Landfall 39



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Stus-List foot pumps in galley

[Bill via CnC-List]

Does anyone have an idea what brand the foot pumps (there are  3) are in a 
1986 Landfall 39? 
 
It is black, and has no company name. The only label says  "Made in Taiwan."
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
 
Bill
 
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Re: Stus-List LO300

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

"Voting flies"?   Damn autocorrect...
Of course, if they did vote, that might explain Trump's fraudulent vote 
allegations.  You heard it here first!  


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 Original message From: bwhitmore via CnC-List 
 Date: 7/21/17  5:48 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List LO300 
The best solution we found for voting flies on Lake Michigan is not shown in 
this article, but is known to local fishermen.  Apply a thick layer of dawn 
detergent mixed with a little water.  The little buggers hate the taste.




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 Date: 7/21/17  11:50 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown  Subject: Re: Stus-List 
LO300 
Has lots of help, thousands at least.

http://www.gamonyachting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GAMBloodsuckers.pdf

Windburn did double handed flying sails but I ended up awake for the race. At 
times
sections of the deck, sails or lifesling cover was obscured. We used buckets to 
wash down
and clear the cockpit, if you kill one it attracts more for a feast. It clogged 
the scuppers
so had to use the brush handle to mush them up.

They bite right through clothes, switched to foulies and boots.

Mike

Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:50:42 -0400

From: coltrek 

   

Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake all 
that time!?



Regards,

Bill Coleman?C 39

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Re: Stus-List LO300

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

The best solution we found for voting flies on Lake Michigan is not shown in 
this article, but is known to local fishermen.  Apply a thick layer of dawn 
detergent mixed with a little water.  The little buggers hate the taste.




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 Original message From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
 Date: 7/21/17  11:50 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown  Subject: Re: Stus-List 
LO300 
Has lots of help, thousands at least.

http://www.gamonyachting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GAMBloodsuckers.pdf

Windburn did double handed flying sails but I ended up awake for the race. At 
times
sections of the deck, sails or lifesling cover was obscured. We used buckets to 
wash down
and clear the cockpit, if you kill one it attracts more for a feast. It clogged 
the scuppers
so had to use the brush handle to mush them up.

They bite right through clothes, switched to foulies and boots.

Mike

Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:50:42 -0400

From: coltrek 

   

Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake all 
that time!?



Regards,

Bill Coleman?C 39

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Re: Stus-List mast gate

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I have a jackline on my cruising main.  Goes up a couple feet above the
gate.  Easy to reef.  Don't have to pull any slugs.

Look here:
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/pop_printer_friendly.asp?ARCHIVE=true_ID=26959

Essentially, the jackline is reaved through cringles on the luff and the
slugs.  The slugs are not sewn to the sail.

My racing main does not have it.  I have to drop my knurled sail stop and
pull a few slugs to reef it.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> Hmm...been sailing a long time.. Can't visualize a Jack line on lower
> slugs...
> Bill Walker
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List mast gate

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Hmm...been sailing a long time.. Can't visualize a Jack line on lower slugs...Bill WalkerOn Jul 21, 2017 4:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List  wrote:Another solution, and avoiding a mast gate altogether, is to use a jack line on the lower half dozen mast slugs. SamC 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On Jul 21, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sam Salter  wrote:They sell them on line:http://www.mastgates.com/- one example.samC 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On Jul 21, 2017, at 1:24 PM, William Walker via CnC-List  wrote:Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate..
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi 
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Re: Stus-List mast gate

[coltrek via CnC-List]

Well, you learn something new everyday.When I saw the heading, I thought some 
mast , or maybe Mass manufacturer was caught up in some horrible scandal.

Bill Coleman C 39

 Original message 
From: Sam Salter via CnC-List  
Date: 7/21/17  16:18  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Sam Salter  
Subject: Re: Stus-List mast gate 

They sell them on line:http://www.mastgates.com/
- one example.

samC 26  Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 

On Jul 21, 2017, at 1:24 PM, William Walker via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to 
machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate..

Bill Walker 

CnC 36

Pentwater, Mi 
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Re: Stus-List mast gate

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

Another solution, and avoiding a mast gate altogether, is to use a jack line on 
the lower half dozen mast slugs. 

Sam
C 26  Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 


> On Jul 21, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sam Salter  wrote:
> 
> They sell them on line:
> http://www.mastgates.com/
> 
> - one example.
> 
> sam
> C 26  Liquorice 
> Ghost Lake Alberta 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 1:24 PM, William Walker via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone 
>> to machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate..
>> Bill Walker 
>> CnC 36
>> Pentwater, Mi
>> 
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Re: Stus-List mast gate

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

They sell them on line:
http://www.mastgates.com/

- one example.

sam
C 26  Liquorice 
Ghost Lake Alberta 


> On Jul 21, 2017, at 1:24 PM, William Walker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to 
> machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate..
> Bill Walker 
> CnC 36
> Pentwater, Mi
> 
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Re: Stus-List mast gate

[William Walker via CnC-List]

reefing  geez...
bwalker

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Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to 
machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate..
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi 

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Stus-List mast gate

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Can anyone give me ideas how to pattern a mast gate so I could get someone to 
machine from aluminum..Tired of feeding without a mast gate..
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi 

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Re: Stus-List 80' C 30 Smile Photo

[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

Same for me. Used to have a 3   inches crack on the back of the keel joint and 
filled it with epoxy every spring, then I used G/Flex and this was 5 years ago, 
never had to fix it since.
Sylvain 
C mkIII


Envoyé de mon iPhone

> Le 21 juil. 2017 à 11:27, Mike Macdonald via CnC-List  
> a écrit :
> 
> True it flexs but that is what g/flex does  I did my 29 with it 3 years ago 
> and it is still holding. Trick is to get the boat square in the cradle with 
> equal weight distribution so the kewl won't shift too much when lifted 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:17 AM, John Irvin via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My experience, 20+ years with a 27-3, is to fill with a flexible compound, 
>> not something firm like epoxy. The boat flexes, you need to allow it to do 
>> so.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Forgot the photo!
>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_lwczpvPcEHY2lHTzZnMngwbWM/view?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Chris Hobson  wrote:
 
 Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? 
 Apparently the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled 
 -- now 1.5” wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by 
 current or previous owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says 
 to monitor drop and re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the 
 bilge, no movement on the crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. 
 Maybe it’s fine, thoughts?
 
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Re: Stus-List LO300

[coltrek via CnC-List]

OMG.OK, I won't complain about our Mayflies, or Midges again!




Bill ColemanC 39

 Original message 
From: Michael Brown via CnC-List  
Date: 7/21/17  12:50  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown  
Subject: Re: Stus-List LO300 

Has lots of help, thousands at least.

http://www.gamonyachting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GAMBloodsuckers.pdf

Windburn did double handed flying sails but I ended up awake for the race. At 
times
sections of the deck, sails or lifesling cover was obscured. We used buckets to 
wash down
and clear the cockpit, if you kill one it attracts more for a feast. It clogged 
the scuppers
so had to use the brush handle to mush them up.

They bite right through clothes, switched to foulies and boots.

Mike

Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:50:42 -0400

From: coltrek 

   

Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake all 
that time!?



Regards,

Bill Coleman?C 39

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Re: Stus-List LO300

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

https://www.amazon.com/Bug-A-Salt-2-0-Insect-Eradication-Gun/dp/B00STSZ77G

Dennis C.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Has lots of help, thousands at least.
>
> http://www.gamonyachting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/
> GAMBloodsuckers.pdf
>
> Windburn did double handed flying sails but I ended up awake for the race.
> At times
> sections of the deck, sails or lifesling cover was obscured. We used
> buckets to wash down
> and clear the cockpit, if you kill one it attracts more for a feast. It
> clogged the scuppers
> so had to use the brush handle to mush them up.
>
> They bite right through clothes, switched to foulies and boots.
>
> Mike
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:50:42 -0400
> From: coltrek 
>
> Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake
> all that time!?
>
> Regards,
> Bill Coleman?C 39
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 80' C 30 Smile Photo

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Looks like the usual smile to me.  Properly torque the keelbolts, grind out
the crack a bit, fill it with epoxy/glass, cover it with strips of biaxial
cloth/epoxy, go sailing.
That's how I fixed Touche' in 1999.  No issues since.

Look here:  http://cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/smile/index.htm

Several listers have similar experience.  Some have had a "bit" more
difficult fixes but, in my opinion, the difficulty is often, but not
always, related to the lack of proper keelbolt torque.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex?
> Apparently the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled
> -- now 1.5” wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by
> current or previous owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to
> monitor drop and re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge,
> no movement on the crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe
> it’s fine, thoughts?
>
>
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Re: Stus-List LO300

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Has lots of help, thousands at least.

http://www.gamonyachting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GAMBloodsuckers.pdf

Windburn did double handed flying sails but I ended up awake for the race. At 
times
sections of the deck, sails or lifesling cover was obscured. We used buckets to 
wash down
and clear the cockpit, if you kill one it attracts more for a feast. It clogged 
the scuppers
so had to use the brush handle to mush them up.

They bite right through clothes, switched to foulies and boots.

Mike


Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:50:42 -0400 
From: coltrek  
    
Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake all 
that time!? 
 
Regards, 
Bill Coleman?C 39 
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Re: Stus-List 80' C 30 Smile Photo

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Looks familiar. Who knows what they stuffed in there, I’ve used many different 
‘fixes’ but the keel hasn’t moved and there is no water intrusion.

 

Best is to grind all that old bottom paint off that area and wrap some 
fiberglass around it and bond it. Or use Marine-Tex or something similar and 
just check it out each year (which is what I have been doing for over 20 years).

 

As long as the bolts are tight and not rusty, and have good backing plates, you 
should be OK.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hobson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chris Hobson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 80' C 30 Smile Photo

 

Forgot the photo!

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_lwczpvPcEHY2lHTzZnMngwbWM/view?usp=sharing


Thanks,
Chris



 

 

On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Chris Hobson  > wrote:

 

Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? Apparently 
the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled -- now 1.5” 
wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by current or previous 
owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to monitor drop and re-bed 
if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, no movement on the crack 
when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe it’s fine, thoughts?

 

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Re: Stus-List 80' C 30 Smile Photo

[Mike Macdonald via CnC-List]

True it flexs but that is what g/flex does  I did my 29 with it 3 years ago and 
it is still holding. Trick is to get the boat square in the cradle with equal 
weight distribution so the kewl won't shift too much when lifted 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:17 AM, John Irvin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My experience, 20+ years with a 27-3, is to fill with a flexible compound, 
> not something firm like epoxy. The boat flexes, you need to allow it to do so.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Forgot the photo!
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_lwczpvPcEHY2lHTzZnMngwbWM/view?usp=sharing
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Chris Hobson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? 
>>> Apparently the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled 
>>> -- now 1.5” wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by 
>>> current or previous owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to 
>>> monitor drop and re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, 
>>> no movement on the crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe 
>>> it’s fine, thoughts?
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List 80' C 30 Smile Photo

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

My experience, 20+ years with a 27-3, is to fill with a flexible compound, not 
something firm like epoxy. The boat flexes, you need to allow it to do so.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Forgot the photo!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_lwczpvPcEHY2lHTzZnMngwbWM/view?usp=sharing

Thanks,
Chris


On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Chris Hobson 
> wrote:

Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? Apparently 
the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled -- now 1.5” 
wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by current or previous 
owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to monitor drop and re-bed 
if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, no movement on the crack 
when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe it’s fine, thoughts?


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Re: Stus-List 80' C 30 Smile Photo

[Chris Hobson via CnC-List]

Forgot the photo!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_lwczpvPcEHY2lHTzZnMngwbWM/view?usp=sharing

Thanks,
Chris



> On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Chris Hobson  wrote:
> 
> Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? Apparently 
> the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled -- now 1.5” 
> wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by current or previous 
> owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to monitor drop and 
> re-bed if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, no movement on the 
> crack when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe it’s fine, thoughts?
> 

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Stus-List 80' C 30 Smile Photo

[Chris Hobson via CnC-List]

Lifted the boat and saw the smile, think it was done with g-flex? Apparently 
the crack is hairline, not deep, not structural. And was filled -- now 1.5” 
wide with the filler. Apparently no one went aground - by current or previous 
owner (only two). Surveyor thinks otherwise and says to monitor drop and re-bed 
if it reappears. The bolts were clean in the bilge, no movement on the crack 
when two of us heaved as hard as we could. Maybe it’s fine, thoughts?


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Re: Stus-List Voltages

[coltrek via CnC-List]

Congratulations on that - even more impressed that somebodycan stay awake all 
that time! 


Regards,
Bill Coleman C 39

 Original message 
From: Michael Brown via CnC-List  
Date: 7/21/17  09:52  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Voltages 

We have a number of UPSes in our customer base we support. I have recycled
at least 60 AGM batteries this year and sometimes play with them to see if they
are good or can be recovered.

Even fairly flat batteries may recover. If they can be charged back up, and I 
use
a constant current power supply instead of a battery charger, I see how long the
charge takes. Having a 100 amp hour battery come to full charge after 10 hours
at 1 amp means it isn't chemically taking a charge.

After the battery has been charged, and that may take days, I put a light load 
on
it to remove a small amount of AH, say 10%. The battery is left to sit for a 
week
or so and then I measure the voltage. What I am looking for is one or more cells
that are self discharging. If the battery settles in at around 12+ volts there 
is
hope, but if it shows 10 ( or 8 ) then a cell has gone.

I can put the batteries back into a Smart UPS and do a run down load test,
basically the UPS switches to battery and runs it down to some voltage,
switches back to AC and then sends me a report. That will tell me how much
capacity the battery has in it.

A lot of the time one battery out of the set has gone, some UPSes have
10 batteries in series, some up to 14 in parallel and series. If the UPS is
only 2 - 3 years old I may find only one completely bad battery, and maybe
three that recover. They are not new, may have 80%+ of original capacity
but can be reused in a less critical application.

So charge them up, let them sit and check for around 12 volts. If that is
good do a run down test ( the old 12v camper bulbs are great for this )
and see what capacity is left.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1

PS: I finished the Lake Ontario 300 last weekend ( and Monday ). Finish times
ranged from 45 to 61 hours, a result of the wind dying on Monday. Windburn
took first in division, first in fleet and line honours on the Scotch Bonnet 
course.

These C keep going and going.




Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:11:30 +

From: "Della Barba, Joe" 




It is not absolutely 100% the batteries are done for. 99% maybe, but sometimes 
wet cells, especially traction batteries, can take a good equalizing charge and 
come back to life with some capacity left.

My old extra car had a short that would run the battery stone cold dead. It 
survived about 3 of these and still could be used as a start battery, but it 
had almost no reserve.

Joe

Coquina



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:24 PM


Well, if I learned an expensive lesson, I'll just have to accept that.  I 
checked all the cells before putting the charger on them, and they were full.  
After charging they are still full (even though I heard the liquid bubbling 
i.e. creating and venting gas toward the end of the charging period).



The one battery I put back on the boat yesterday was able to start my A4 and 
run my electrical stuff no problem, just like normal before all this.  I'll 
take the other down to the boat tomorrow and measure its voltage with my 
multimeter- it will have been at rest, disconnected, for 24+ hours by then.  
But I know there is a difference between instantaneous voltage and amp-hour 
capacity.  These are deep-cycle batteries, and I cycled them very deeply :)



I'll just have to monitor the situation for the rest of the season and see how 
bad my mistakes are going to hurt :)



Cheers,

Randy



From: "Fred Hazzard via CnC-List" 
>

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:27:38 PM



I can tell you from personal experience that AGMs won't servive either.  I had 
4 hooked in parallel  that I flattened to 4.5 v .  A painful experience. At the 
same time I lost my inverter charger.



Fred Hazzard

S/V Fury

C 44

Portland, Or



On Jul 20, 2017 12:34 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" 
> wrote:





I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if those voltages  of 4.7 volts and 
5.7 volts were correct, they mean these batteries have been quite severely 
damaged and will never have anywhere near full capacity again. That is not a 
maybe. You can get many batteries like that to take a surface charge and appear 
okay with a voltage reading that looks somewhat normal. There is no muscle 
behind it. The charger is telling you they are 100% charged to their new  and 
very diminished capacity.  Some of the cells may also have run dry. This was 
not survivable for any flooded battery regardless of quality, or how it was 
treated otherwise.



Bill Bina

Re: Stus-List Voltages

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

http://batteryuniversity.com/

Bill Bina


On 7/21/2017 9:52 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List wrote:

We have a number of UPSes in our customer base we support. I have recycled
at least 60 AGM batteries this year and sometimes play with them to 
see if they

are good or can be recovered.


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Re: Stus-List Voltages

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

We have a number of UPSes in our customer base we support. I have recycled
at least 60 AGM batteries this year and sometimes play with them to see if they
are good or can be recovered.

Even fairly flat batteries may recover. If they can be charged back up, and I 
use
a constant current power supply instead of a battery charger, I see how long the
charge takes. Having a 100 amp hour battery come to full charge after 10 hours
at 1 amp means it isn't chemically taking a charge.

After the battery has been charged, and that may take days, I put a light load 
on
it to remove a small amount of AH, say 10%. The battery is left to sit for a 
week
or so and then I measure the voltage. What I am looking for is one or more cells
that are self discharging. If the battery settles in at around 12+ volts there 
is
hope, but if it shows 10 ( or 8 ) then a cell has gone.

I can put the batteries back into a Smart UPS and do a run down load test,
basically the UPS switches to battery and runs it down to some voltage,
switches back to AC and then sends me a report. That will tell me how much
capacity the battery has in it.

A lot of the time one battery out of the set has gone, some UPSes have
10 batteries in series, some up to 14 in parallel and series. If the UPS is
only 2 - 3 years old I may find only one completely bad battery, and maybe
three that recover. They are not new, may have 80%+ of original capacity
but can be reused in a less critical application.

So charge them up, let them sit and check for around 12 volts. If that is
good do a run down test ( the old 12v camper bulbs are great for this )
and see what capacity is left.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1

PS: I finished the Lake Ontario 300 last weekend ( and Monday ). Finish times
ranged from 45 to 61 hours, a result of the wind dying on Monday. Windburn
took first in division, first in fleet and line honours on the Scotch Bonnet 
course.

These C keep going and going.





Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:11:30 + 
From: "Della Barba, Joe"  

 
It is not absolutely 100% the batteries are done for. 99% maybe, but sometimes 
wet cells, especially traction batteries, can take a good equalizing charge and 
come back to life with some capacity left. 
My old extra car had a short that would run the battery stone cold dead. It 
survived about 3 of these and still could be used as a start battery, but it 
had almost no reserve. 
Joe 
Coquina 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:24 PM 

Well, if I learned an expensive lesson, I'll just have to accept that.  I 
checked all the cells before putting the charger on them, and they were full.  
After charging they are still full (even though I heard the liquid bubbling 
i.e. creating and venting gas toward the end of the charging period). 
 
The one battery I put back on the boat yesterday was able to start my A4 and 
run my electrical stuff no problem, just like normal before all this.  I'll 
take the other down to the boat tomorrow and measure its voltage with my 
multimeter- it will have been at rest, disconnected, for 24+ hours by then.  
But I know there is a difference between instantaneous voltage and amp-hour 
capacity.  These are deep-cycle batteries, and I cycled them very deeply :) 
 
I'll just have to monitor the situation for the rest of the season and see how 
bad my mistakes are going to hurt :) 
 
Cheers, 
Randy 
 
From: "Fred Hazzard via CnC-List" 
> 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:27:38 PM 
 
I can tell you from personal experience that AGMs won't servive either.  I had 
4 hooked in parallel  that I flattened to 4.5 v .  A painful experience. At the 
same time I lost my inverter charger. 
 
Fred Hazzard 
S/V Fury 
C 44 
Portland, Or 
 
On Jul 20, 2017 12:34 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" 
> wrote: 
 
 
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if those voltages  of 4.7 volts and 
5.7 volts were correct, they mean these batteries have been quite severely 
damaged and will never have anywhere near full capacity again. That is not a 
maybe. You can get many batteries like that to take a surface charge and appear 
okay with a voltage reading that looks somewhat normal. There is no muscle 
behind it. The charger is telling you they are 100% charged to their new  and 
very diminished capacity.  Some of the cells may also have run dry. This was 
not survivable for any flooded battery regardless of quality, or how it was 
treated otherwise. 
 
Bill Bina 
 
On 7/20/2017 10:10 AM, RANDY via CnC-List wrote: 
An update on this.  Monday morning I brought my batteries home (I've got two of 
these: 
https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Maxx-Marine-Battery-Group-Size-29DC/20531539
 dated May/June 2014 with relatively light use and constantly maintained by a 
3amp solar charger).  And I bought this 

Re: Stus-List Voltages

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

It is not absolutely 100% the batteries are done for. 99% maybe, but sometimes 
wet cells, especially traction batteries, can take a good equalizing charge and 
come back to life with some capacity left.
My old extra car had a short that would run the battery stone cold dead. It 
survived about 3 of these and still could be used as a start battery, but it 
had almost no reserve.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:24 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Voltages

Well, if I learned an expensive lesson, I'll just have to accept that.  I 
checked all the cells before putting the charger on them, and they were full.  
After charging they are still full (even though I heard the liquid bubbling 
i.e. creating and venting gas toward the end of the charging period).

The one battery I put back on the boat yesterday was able to start my A4 and 
run my electrical stuff no problem, just like normal before all this.  I'll 
take the other down to the boat tomorrow and measure its voltage with my 
multimeter- it will have been at rest, disconnected, for 24+ hours by then.  
But I know there is a difference between instantaneous voltage and amp-hour 
capacity.  These are deep-cycle batteries, and I cycled them very deeply :)

I'll just have to monitor the situation for the rest of the season and see how 
bad my mistakes are going to hurt :)

Cheers,
Randy


From: "Fred Hazzard via CnC-List" 
>
To: "cnc-list" >
Cc: "Fred Hazzard" >
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:27:38 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Voltages

I can tell you from personal experience that AGMs won't servive either.  I had 
4 hooked in parallel  that I flattened to 4.5 v .  A painful experience. At the 
same time I lost my inverter charger.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or

On Jul 20, 2017 12:34 PM, "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" 
> wrote:


I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if those voltages  of 4.7 volts and 
5.7 volts were correct, they mean these batteries have been quite severely 
damaged and will never have anywhere near full capacity again. That is not a 
maybe. You can get many batteries like that to take a surface charge and appear 
okay with a voltage reading that looks somewhat normal. There is no muscle 
behind it. The charger is telling you they are 100% charged to their new  and 
very diminished capacity.  Some of the cells may also have run dry. This was 
not survivable for any flooded battery regardless of quality, or how it was 
treated otherwise.

Bill Bina

On 7/20/2017 10:10 AM, RANDY via CnC-List wrote:
An update on this.  Monday morning I brought my batteries home (I've got two of 
these: 
https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Maxx-Marine-Battery-Group-Size-29DC/20531539
 dated May/June 2014 with relatively light use and constantly maintained by a 
3amp solar charger).  And I bought this inexpensive charging unit: 
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Schumacher-Electric-15-Amp-Battery-Charger/46167057.

One battery measured 4.7v before charging, and the other 5.7v, according to the 
charger's test function.  Each battery was on the charger for about 33 hours to 
charge back up to 13.2v / 13.5v and 100% charge according to the charger.  I 
haven't measured their voltage independently after charging with a multi-meter, 
but I did that at the start of the season and they were healthy.




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