Re: Stus-List Deal on starter from Mastry

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

On my Universal, it was the solenoid; took dozens of button pushes.  Then it 
did it again a year later, only not nearly as bad.  The mechanic rewired so the 
starter button and glow plugs were no longer interconnected.  The voltage drop 
caused by the glow plug was the culprit apparently.  Now I let up the glow plug 
and hit the starter and it seems to work fine.Mechanic didn't think it should 
ever have been wired so that the glow plug had to be pushed for the starter 
button to function.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


  From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 To: CnClist  
Cc: Dennis C. 
 Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:33 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Deal on starter from Mastry
   
Francois gave you some good things to look at.  My first shot would be a dirty 
start button/switch.  I'd try jumping across the back of the switch.
As for starters, boat on my pier had a Volvo diesel.  Starter went bad.  Volvo 
starter was north of $700.  Lo and behold, it uses the same starter as a 
Mitsubishi Lancer which can be bought for less than $100.  
As it turned about, it wasn't the starter.  I ended up with the old starter if 
anybody out there has a Volvo (or a Lancer) and needs a spare.  It's been 
tested.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Alternator Belts

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Temperature sensor sounds like a good idea.

Alan Bergen

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:33 PM, coltrek via CnC-List  wrote:

> That happened to me three times in a row this summer, on a 6 day cruise
> /race. I went through three belts. I had just installed Three brand new
> Deep Cycle batteries. I called the Balmar tech line, and the fellow there
> kind of walked me through setting the regulator down to only charging at
> 60% instead of 95%. I don't know why it started to do it in the first
> place, but I think that it might have had something to do with my heart
> interface 2000 acting up. Anyways, after the trip, I reset the heart 2000
> back to factory defaults, and it started working properly again. I'm not
> sure if I should ramp my regulator back up to a higher charging level or
> not. One thing I did after that, is I bought a Balmar regulator temperature
> sensor. I think it cuts the charging back and the load if it gets too hot.
>
>
> Bill Coleman
> C & C 39
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
> Date: 9/11/17 22:15 (GMT-05:00)
> To: C 
> Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deal on starter from Mastry
>
> I have to push the starter button several times before the starter turns
> the engine over.  I thought it was the starter button.  I'd better check
> that out before I get into trouble, and cant start the engine in an
> emergency.
>
> Speaking of an emergency, after finishing a race, yesterday, we dropped
> the chute and started the engine, as we approached a railroad bridge.  We
> suddenly smelled smoke, and when we opened the cockpit hatch, smoke poured
> out.  After closer inspection of the engine, we discovered the alternator
> belt had been slipping,  It got hot, melted and got stuck to the engine
> pulley.  Luckily I had an extra belt on board, and a half hour later the
> repair was completed.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Dan Grant via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a universal M 18 that I have to push the starter A few times to
>> get it going it always works but I fear someday it won't
>> I looked into getting a new starter and my parts guy said congratulations
>> you have the most expensive starter I've seen $1000
>> I can get a new Kubota starter which would work fine for about 100
>> Very confusing
>> I looked it up and there is something about running A stronger wire to
>> the starter
>> Maybe that's the problem?
>> I'd like to know myself
>>
>> Dan
>> 1970 Cv hull 148
>> Ipswich
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Francois Rivard via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mastry (www.mastry.com
>> )
>> does it again! I just replaced the starter on Take Five this weekend and
>> got a sweet deal on a re-man Hitachi unit: US $128.44 + shipping. Mastry's
>> the best! They always have the best price, they even beat eBay and the
>> shipping is super fast.
>>
>> That's for a real deal Yanmar / Hitachi unit confirmed to fit using my
>> 3gm30F's serial number.
>>
>> Also the starter comes with a 18 months warranty, way better than the
>> Yanmar 6 mos new parts warranty.
>>
>> The problem on my old starter?  I suspect there was a bad winding. It
>> would sometimes take 2-3 button pushes to get it going.
>>
>> -Francois
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, GA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Deal on starter from Mastry

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Francois gave you some good things to look at.  My first shot would be a
dirty start button/switch.  I'd try jumping across the back of the switch.

As for starters, boat on my pier had a Volvo diesel.  Starter went bad.
Volvo starter was north of $700.  Lo and behold, it uses the same starter
as a Mitsubishi Lancer which can be bought for less than $100.

As it turned about, it wasn't the starter.  I ended up with the old starter
if anybody out there has a Volvo (or a Lancer) and needs a spare.  It's
been tested.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Dan Grant via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a universal M 18 that I have to push the starter A few times to get
> it going it always works but I fear someday it won't
> I looked into getting a new starter and my parts guy said congratulations
> you have the most expensive starter I've seen $1000
> I can get a new Kubota starter which would work fine for about 100
> Very confusing
> I looked it up and there is something about running A stronger wire to the
> starter
> Maybe that's the problem?
> I'd like to know myself
>
> Dan
> 1970 Cv hull 148
> Ipswich
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Francois Rivard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Mastry (www.mastry.com) does it again! I just replaced the starter on
> Take Five this weekend and got a sweet deal on a re-man Hitachi unit: US
> $128.44 + shipping. Mastry's the best! They always have the best price,
> they even beat eBay and the shipping is super fast.
>
> That's for a real deal Yanmar / Hitachi unit confirmed to fit using my
> 3gm30F's serial number.
>
> Also the starter comes with a 18 months warranty, way better than the
> Yanmar 6 mos new parts warranty.
>
> The problem on my old starter?  I suspect there was a bad winding. It
> would sometimes take 2-3 button pushes to get it going.
>
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
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Re: Stus-List Deal on starter from Mastry

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Ouch! 1000 Bucks is steep. The Kubota alternative sounds a lot better.

I'm not much of a believer in the bigger wire. If it was big enough when
designed 30 + years ago, it's still big enough. Perhaps a bigger wire would
bandaid the symptom for a while.

It can be any number of things:

-The switch, on a Yanmar there's no relay (bad) so the brunt of the current
goes through the post button thingie. I replaced mine last year when it
started doing it occasionally. It's seemed to put a bandaid on it for a
while. Not sure how it's done on a Universal

-The connections to the starter or switch. Mine were clean and tight. (And
new on the switch side)

- The solenoid
- The brushes
- The winding

For me it started doing it very infrequently last year and got
progressively worse this year.

What sealed the deal for me was the prior weekend. It usually took 2 pushes
when cold at the beginning of the weekend then got better. On that weekend
it started right up when cold and took 3 pushes (one more than usual) after
sailing for a few hours.

At that point I knew that

 1)  A no go situation was probably pretty close around the corner
2) The completely random nature of the failure meant that the winding was
more than likely the culprit as where it happens to stop on the commutator
determines your faith.

I also knew that at most I would pay 265 bucks for an equivalent Hitachi
unit on eBay so there was no use in fooling with brushes or solenoids on a
27 year old starter, the bearings / winding could not be much further
behind if the problem was the solenoid or brushes..

And yes, now it starts right up at the smallest tickle of the start button.

I hope this helps..

Good luck,

François



On Sep 11, 2017 9:53 PM, "Dan Grant"  wrote:

I have a universal M 18 that I have to push the starter A few times to get
it going it always works but I fear someday it won't
I looked into getting a new starter and my parts guy said congratulations
you have the most expensive starter I've seen $1000
I can get a new Kubota starter which would work fine for about 100
Very confusing
I looked it up and there is something about running A stronger wire to the
starter
Maybe that's the problem?
I'd like to know myself

Dan
1970 Cv hull 148
Ipswich

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Francois Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Mastry (www.mastry.com) does it again! I just replaced the starter on Take
Five this weekend and got a sweet deal on a re-man Hitachi unit: US $128.44
+ shipping. Mastry's the best! They always have the best price, they even
beat eBay and the shipping is super fast.

That's for a real deal Yanmar / Hitachi unit confirmed to fit using my
3gm30F's serial number.

Also the starter comes with a 18 months warranty, way better than the
Yanmar 6 mos new parts warranty.

The problem on my old starter?  I suspect there was a bad winding. It would
sometimes take 2-3 button pushes to get it going.

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Stus-List Alternator Belts

[coltrek via CnC-List]

That happened to me three times in a row this summer, on a 6 day cruise /race. 
I went through three belts. I had just installed Three brand new Deep Cycle 
batteries. I called the Balmar tech line, and the fellow there kind of walked 
me through setting the regulator down to only charging at 60% instead of 95%. I 
don't know why it started to do it in the first place, but I think that it 
might have had something to do with my heart interface 2000 acting up. Anyways, 
after the trip, I reset the heart 2000 back to factory defaults, and it started 
working properly again. I'm not sure if I should ramp my regulator back up to a 
higher charging level or not. One thing I did after that, is I bought a Balmar 
regulator temperature sensor. I think it cuts the charging back and the load if 
it gets too hot.

Bill ColemanC & C 39

 Original message 
From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
Date: 9/11/17  22:15  (GMT-05:00) 
To: C  
Cc: ALAN BERGEN  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deal on starter from Mastry 

I have to push the starter button several times before the starter turns the 
engine over.  I thought it was the starter button.  I'd better check that out 
before I get into trouble, and cant start the engine in an emergency.

Speaking of an emergency, after finishing a race, yesterday, we dropped the 
chute and started the engine, as we approached a railroad bridge.  We suddenly 
smelled smoke, and when we opened the cockpit hatch, smoke poured out.  After 
closer inspection of the engine, we discovered the alternator belt had been 
slipping,  It got hot, melted and got stuck to the engine pulley.  Luckily I 
had an extra belt on board, and a half hour later the repair was completed.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Dan Grant via CnC-List  
wrote:
I have a universal M 18 that I have to push the starter A few times to get it 
going it always works but I fear someday it won't I looked into getting a new 
starter and my parts guy said congratulations you have the most expensive 
starter I've seen $1000  I can get a new Kubota starter which would work fine 
for about 100Very confusingI looked it up and there is something about running 
A stronger wire to the starterMaybe that's the problem?I'd like to know myself
Dan 1970 Cv hull 148 Ipswich 
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Mastry (www.mastry.com) does it again! I just replaced the starter on Take Five 
this weekend and got a sweet deal on a re-man Hitachi unit: US $128.44 + 
shipping. Mastry's the best! They always have the best price, they even beat 
eBay and the shipping is super fast. 
That's for a real deal Yanmar / Hitachi unit confirmed to fit using my 3gm30F's 
serial number. 
Also the starter comes with a 18 months warranty, way better than the Yanmar 6 
mos new parts warranty.  
The problem on my old starter?  I suspect there was a bad winding. It would 
sometimes take 2-3 button pushes to get it going. 
-Francois1990 34+ "Take Five"Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Deal on starter from Mastry

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I have to push the starter button several times before the starter turns
the engine over.  I thought it was the starter button.  I'd better check
that out before I get into trouble, and cant start the engine in an
emergency.

Speaking of an emergency, after finishing a race, yesterday, we dropped the
chute and started the engine, as we approached a railroad bridge.  We
suddenly smelled smoke, and when we opened the cockpit hatch, smoke poured
out.  After closer inspection of the engine, we discovered the alternator
belt had been slipping,  It got hot, melted and got stuck to the engine
pulley.  Luckily I had an extra belt on board, and a half hour later the
repair was completed.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Dan Grant via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a universal M 18 that I have to push the starter A few times to get
> it going it always works but I fear someday it won't
> I looked into getting a new starter and my parts guy said congratulations
> you have the most expensive starter I've seen $1000
> I can get a new Kubota starter which would work fine for about 100
> Very confusing
> I looked it up and there is something about running A stronger wire to the
> starter
> Maybe that's the problem?
> I'd like to know myself
>
> Dan
> 1970 Cv hull 148
> Ipswich
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Francois Rivard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Mastry (www.mastry.com
> )
> does it again! I just replaced the starter on Take Five this weekend and
> got a sweet deal on a re-man Hitachi unit: US $128.44 + shipping. Mastry's
> the best! They always have the best price, they even beat eBay and the
> shipping is super fast.
>
> That's for a real deal Yanmar / Hitachi unit confirmed to fit using my
> 3gm30F's serial number.
>
> Also the starter comes with a 18 months warranty, way better than the
> Yanmar 6 mos new parts warranty.
>
> The problem on my old starter?  I suspect there was a bad winding. It
> would sometimes take 2-3 button pushes to get it going.
>
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
> ___
>
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> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
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>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Deal on starter from Mastry

[Dan Grant via CnC-List]

I have a universal M 18 that I have to push the starter A few times to get it 
going it always works but I fear someday it won't 
I looked into getting a new starter and my parts guy said congratulations you 
have the most expensive starter I've seen $1000  
I can get a new Kubota starter which would work fine for about 100
Very confusing
I looked it up and there is something about running A stronger wire to the 
starter
Maybe that's the problem?
I'd like to know myself

Dan 
1970 Cv hull 148 
Ipswich 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mastry (www.mastry.com) does it again! I just replaced the starter on Take 
> Five this weekend and got a sweet deal on a re-man Hitachi unit: US $128.44 + 
> shipping. Mastry's the best! They always have the best price, they even beat 
> eBay and the shipping is super fast. 
> 
> That's for a real deal Yanmar / Hitachi unit confirmed to fit using my 
> 3gm30F's serial number. 
> 
> Also the starter comes with a 18 months warranty, way better than the Yanmar 
> 6 mos new parts warranty.  
> 
> The problem on my old starter?  I suspect there was a bad winding. It would 
> sometimes take 2-3 button pushes to get it going. 
> 
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
> ___
> 
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> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Stus-List Deal on starter from Mastry

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Mastry (www.mastry.com) does it again! I just replaced the starter on Take
Five this weekend and got a sweet deal on a re-man Hitachi unit: US $128.44
+ shipping. Mastry's the best! They always have the best price, they even
beat eBay and the shipping is super fast.

That's for a real deal Yanmar / Hitachi unit confirmed to fit using my
3gm30F's serial number.

Also the starter comes with a 18 months warranty, way better than the
Yanmar 6 mos new parts warranty.

The problem on my old starter?  I suspect there was a bad winding. It would
sometimes take 2-3 button pushes to get it going.

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

I just replaced mine about 5 months ago.  I luckily ran into an NOS one for
half price at the marina swap meet about 2 years ago. I finally put it in
this year when we re-did my fuel system.

Mine had not actually failed, it was just a bit leaky, weeping some when
underway.  I figured it couldn't hurt to replace it since I could get one
for 50% off.  I'm glad I did!

BTW, I never leave the boat without closing all seacocks..  One failed hose
(Or strainer..) and it's bye bye baby. I read in the Boat US mag that along
with electrical fires it's the most frequent culprit for total boat
losses.

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA




On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled
> 'there's a lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and
> saw water coming out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was
> reaching the top of it.
>
> I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was
> below the floorboards we let the electric do its job.
>
> One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.
> Luckily we were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive
> corrosion on the strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been
> detected.  Time to re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!
>
> --
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> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
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Stus-List Fwd: Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Oops sorry this should have been directed to Joel.

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Persuasion37 
> Date: September 11, 2017 at 4:54:24 PM EDT
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!
> 
> Patrick
> 
> Those are massive hoses and through hull you have on your boat.  I'm thinking 
> the strainer top is 2" and the hoses are in the 1/2" range.
> 
> Mike
> PERSUASION
> C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Patrick,
>> 
>> Yes that's the unit.  The bolt with the wing nut failed.  The result was the 
>> equivalent of a 2 inch hole in the boat.  That's 80 gallons per minute.  
>> Luckily, I have a large bilge!
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Yikes. Is it a Perko like this one?  
>>> http://www.perko.com/images/catalog/product/xl/Fig%200493%20(Top%20On).jpg
>>> 
>>> I'm having a hard time visualizing how a single bolt failure could result 
>>> in a hole big enough to outpace a 800 gph pump. 
>>> 
>>> Sounds like one of the wing nut bolts broke, but the other one was still 
>>> holding the lid torqued partially in place? Seems like a poor design. The 
>>> Groco design is nice because there's no way a threaded lid could 
>>> spontaneously fail - 
>>> https://fisheriessupply.scene7.com/is/image/FisheriesSupply/129443-groco-gro-arg-750-s-strainer-al1
>>> 
>>> Scary that it failed randomly rather than when you would expect a corroded 
>>> bolt to break (while torqueing the bolts during filter cleaning). 
>>> 
 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:59 AM,  wrote:
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Joel Aronson 
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
 Cc: 
 Bcc: 
 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 10:24:34 -0400
 Subject: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!
 Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled 
 'there's a lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and 
 saw water coming out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was 
 reaching the top of it.
 
 I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was 
 below the floorboards we let the electric do its job.
 
 One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.  
 Luckily we were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive 
 corrosion on the strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been 
 detected.  Time to re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!
 
 -- 
 Joel 
 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Patrick

Those are massive hoses and through hull you have on your boat.  I'm thinking 
the strainer top is 2" and the hoses are in the 1/2" range.

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Sep 11, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Patrick,
> 
> Yes that's the unit.  The bolt with the wing nut failed.  The result was the 
> equivalent of a 2 inch hole in the boat.  That's 80 gallons per minute.  
> Luckily, I have a large bilge!
> 
> Joel
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Yikes. Is it a Perko like this one?  
>> http://www.perko.com/images/catalog/product/xl/Fig%200493%20(Top%20On).jpg
>> 
>> I'm having a hard time visualizing how a single bolt failure could result in 
>> a hole big enough to outpace a 800 gph pump. 
>> 
>> Sounds like one of the wing nut bolts broke, but the other one was still 
>> holding the lid torqued partially in place? Seems like a poor design. The 
>> Groco design is nice because there's no way a threaded lid could 
>> spontaneously fail - 
>> https://fisheriessupply.scene7.com/is/image/FisheriesSupply/129443-groco-gro-arg-750-s-strainer-al1
>> 
>> Scary that it failed randomly rather than when you would expect a corroded 
>> bolt to break (while torqueing the bolts during filter cleaning). 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:59 AM,  wrote:
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Joel Aronson 
>>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>>> Cc: 
>>> Bcc: 
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 10:24:34 -0400
>>> Subject: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!
>>> Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled 
>>> 'there's a lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and 
>>> saw water coming out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was 
>>> reaching the top of it.
>>> 
>>> I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was 
>>> below the floorboards we let the electric do its job.
>>> 
>>> One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.  Luckily 
>>> we were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive corrosion on 
>>> the strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been detected.  Time 
>>> to re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Joel 
>>> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List C Northeast Rendezvous Recap

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

I'll second all that Edd said, and add what a great bunch of people were there. 
Lots of insight and lots of laughs. And lots of beverages. The location was 
great, with excellent facilities and Aldo's Coffee  literally at the edge of 
the marina. Hamilton Park Marina will be a destination for me again. Can't wait 
for Port Jeff!
J
Hideaway 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> Greetings from Branford, CT, just shy of 40 miles away from Greenport, the 
> location of our C Northeast Rendezvous. 
> 
> Though big Westerly winds (and waves) kept some from attending, the presence 
> of Hanuman, Harbor Lights, Aries, Hideaway, the Enterprise and, from as far 
> away as Maryland, the owners of Sea Hawk, made for another spectacular event. 
> 
> Great food, great friends, great stories and great booze running from rum, 
> dark n stormies, moonshine, beers, scotch, cheap wine, reportedly expensive 
> wine, and, yes, Romulan Ale (illegal, but we were 100 miles from Federation 
> space). 
> 
> The C boat show (informal tours of attendees' boats) was very well 
> attended, and both interesting and informative. The Sunday 6:30am 
> calisthenics? Not so much. Especially after burning the midnight oil having 
> C's (cocktails and cigars) on our C's. 
> 
> The days went by too quickly and it wasn't long before a major announcement 
> had to be made:
> 
> Announcing the 2018 C Northeast Rendezvous in Port Jefferson! Stay tuned 
> for details as they are formed. 
> 
> Thanks to all for a fantastic ultra-memorable weekend. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> www.StarshipSailing.com
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Re: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

FWIW, I like Groco products for this sort of thing.  Very robust.

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 1:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

Patrick, 

Yes that's the unit.  The bolt with the wing nut failed.  The result was the 
equivalent of a 2 inch hole in the boat.  That's 80 gallons per minute.  
Luckily, I have a large bilge!

Joel

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Yikes. Is it a Perko like this one?  
http://www.perko.com/images/catalog/product/xl/Fig%200493%20(Top%20On).jpg 

  I'm having a hard time visualizing how a single bolt failure could result in 
a hole big enough to outpace a 800 gph pump. 


  Sounds like one of the wing nut bolts broke, but the other one was still 
holding the lid torqued partially in place? Seems like a poor design. The Groco 
design is nice because there's no way a threaded lid could spontaneously fail - 
https://fisheriessupply.scene7.com/is/image/FisheriesSupply/129443-groco-gro-arg-750-s-strainer-al1


  Scary that it failed randomly rather than when you would expect a corroded 
bolt to break (while torqueing the bolts during filter cleaning). 


  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:59 AM,  wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
From: Joel Aronson 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 10:24:34 -0400
Subject: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled 
'there's a lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and saw 
water coming out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was reaching the 
top of it. 

I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was 
below the floorboards we let the electric do its job.

One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.  Luckily 
we were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive corrosion on the 
strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been detected.  Time to 
re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!


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Re: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Patrick,

Yes that's the unit.  The bolt with the wing nut failed.  The result was
the equivalent of a 2 inch hole in the boat.  That's 80 gallons per
minute.  Luckily, I have a large bilge!

Joel

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yikes. Is it a Perko like this one?  http://www.perko.com/images/
> catalog/product/xl/Fig%200493%20(Top%20On).jpg
>
> I'm having a hard time visualizing how a single bolt failure could result
> in a hole big enough to outpace a 800 gph pump.
>
> Sounds like one of the wing nut bolts broke, but the other one was still
> holding the lid torqued partially in place? Seems like a poor design. The
> Groco design is nice because there's no way a threaded lid could
> spontaneously fail - https://fisheriessupply.scene7.com/is/image/
> FisheriesSupply/129443-groco-gro-arg-750-s-strainer-al1
>
> Scary that it failed randomly rather than when you would expect a corroded
> bolt to break (while torqueing the bolts during filter cleaning).
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:59 AM,  wrote:
>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Joel Aronson 
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 10:24:34 -0400
>> Subject: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!
>> Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled
>> 'there's a lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and
>> saw water coming out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was
>> reaching the top of it.
>>
>> I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was
>> below the floorboards we let the electric do its job.
>>
>> One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.
>> Luckily we were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive
>> corrosion on the strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been
>> detected.  Time to re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!
>>
>> --
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
>>
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Re: Stus-List paint on the hull

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I have used MEK and interlux thinner 202 with good results.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017, 11:06 PM Bev Parslow via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Used the acetone and then  polished it out. It worked great. Any idea for
> the running strip?
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Re: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

Yikes. Is it a Perko like this one?
http://www.perko.com/images/catalog/product/xl/Fig%200493%20(Top%20On).jpg

I'm having a hard time visualizing how a single bolt failure could result
in a hole big enough to outpace a 800 gph pump.

Sounds like one of the wing nut bolts broke, but the other one was still
holding the lid torqued partially in place? Seems like a poor design. The
Groco design is nice because there's no way a threaded lid could
spontaneously fail -
https://fisheriessupply.scene7.com/is/image/FisheriesSupply/129443-groco-gro-arg-750-s-strainer-al1

Scary that it failed randomly rather than when you would expect a corroded
bolt to break (while torqueing the bolts during filter cleaning).

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:59 AM,  wrote:

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Joel Aronson 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 10:24:34 -0400
> Subject: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!
> Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled
> 'there's a lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and
> saw water coming out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was
> reaching the top of it.
>
> I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was
> below the floorboards we let the electric do its job.
>
> One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.
> Luckily we were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive
> corrosion on the strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been
> detected.  Time to re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
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Stus-List hull #

[Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List]

>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Chad Osmond 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 11:17:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain
> > Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of
> it's era made and it has a universal diesel.
>
> Check the hull number, it will be on the transom, and in the aft cabin
> beside the stove.
> The last few digits show the hull number, it'll be between 140?-175.
>
>
> Hull # is ZCC30163F990, so looks like it's #163 of 175.

Thanks,

Lisle
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Re: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Touche' has one of the Perkos on the engine cooling.  However, the strainer
on the air conditioner is a Groco.  Like this:

https://www.groco.net/products/raw-water-strainers/basket-strainer/arg-series

Except it has a bronze cap.  I'm tempted to replace the Perko with a
Groco.  I don't like the plastic cap, however.  If you had a spare cap at
least you could screw a new one in and keep your engine running.

That flip down fastener on the Perko isn't easy to inspect.  One side is
usually up against a bulkhead.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled
> 'there's a lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and
> saw water coming out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was
> reaching the top of it.
>
> I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was
> below the floorboards we let the electric do its job.
>
> One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.
> Luckily we were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive
> corrosion on the strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been
> detected.  Time to re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
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Re: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Joel,

 

You were lucky.  I think my sea strainer is above the waterline.  Regardless, 
I’m going to check it out. 

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 10:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

 

Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled 'there's a 
lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and saw water coming 
out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was reaching the top of it.

 

I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was below 
the floorboards we let the electric do its job.

 

One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.  Luckily we 
were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive corrosion on the 
strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been detected.  Time to 
re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!


 

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Re: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Like this?

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s31/raw-water-strainer-failure-endemic-29996.html

Very interesting.

What if it was the engine strainer and you needed the engine?  Scary
scenario.

What would contingency plan be?  Gap is too wide to clamp lid shut with
Vise Grips.

My brain is whirling over this one.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled
> 'there's a lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and
> saw water coming out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was
> reaching the top of it.
>
> I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was
> below the floorboards we let the electric do its job.
>
> One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.
> Luckily we were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive
> corrosion on the strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been
> detected.  Time to re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
>
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Re: Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Joel,

Wow!  Interesting.

Was it a Perko strainer?

Dennis C.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled
> 'there's a lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and
> saw water coming out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was
> reaching the top of it.
>
> I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was
> below the floorboards we let the electric do its job.
>
> One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.
> Luckily we were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive
> corrosion on the strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been
> detected.  Time to re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551 <(301)%20541-8551>
>
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Stus-List Perko sea strainer failed - almost lost my boat!

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Yesterday as we were sailing back to the dock one of my crew yelled
'there's a lot of water down here'.  I opened the companionway steps and
saw water coming out of the top of the sea strainer as the water was
reaching the top of it.

I closed the seacock and we manned the manual pump.  Once the water was
below the floorboards we let the electric do its job.

One of the arms that held the lid in place broke at the lower end.  Luckily
we were aboard and found the leak.  There was not excessive corrosion on
the strainer, so I don't think the weakness could have been detected.  Time
to re-think leaving seacocks open when I'm off the boat!

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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yep, cut that elbow to fit and use a coupler to connect to the fill hose.
See this:

http://www.fillernecksupply.com/1-1-2-or-38mm-fuel-hose-joiner-coupler-splice/

Dennis C.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> http://www.fillernecksupply.com/gates-1-1-2-90-degree-
> fuel-filler-elbow-gates-24715-goodyear-59205/
>
>
>
> Wow – I could have saved about $100 if I knew about this! That would be
> perfect for the 35, just need a hose-to-hose for the 1/5” fill.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:08 PM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement
>
>
>
> Probably this site:
>
>
>
> http://www.fillernecksupply.com/fuel-hose-elbows/?sort=featured=1
>
>
>
> Gates makes cut to fit hose elbows.
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Look at the Moeller web site, they have a huge collection of tanks. I seem
> to remember there is one which had an angled in fill on a corner which was
> a
> little big for my boat, but may fit yours.
>
> There is also a site called "fuel hoses" or similar with all sorts of
> fittings including elbows - it may be "fuel hose elbows".  Google gave it
> to
> me. As they are the same size as the hose, you need a little nipple.
>
> Gary
> .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:03 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: robert 
> Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement
>
> I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7"
> top clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove
> it but doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure
> the in fill on the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose
> easy, maybe simply doable!
>
> I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to
> determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.
> Someone here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part
> #.   The hunt is now on.
>
> The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I
> did not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near
> now, that the tank will need to be replaced.
>
> Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you
> acquire.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
> On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
> >
> > All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on
> > Fridayreally.
> > Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar
> > furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei Dennis, what
> > tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in plastic?
> > Or do the come ready to go?
> > Bill Walker CnC 36
> > Penteater, Mi
> >
> > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Got that too:
http://www.fillernecksupply.com/1-1-2-or-38mm-fuel-hose-joiner-coupler-splice/



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 9:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

http://www.fillernecksupply.com/gates-1-1-2-90-degree-fuel-filler-elbow-gates-24715-goodyear-59205/

Wow – I could have saved about $100 if I knew about this! That would be perfect 
for the 35, just need a hose-to-hose for the 1/5” fill.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:08 PM
To: CnClist >
Cc: Dennis C. >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

Probably this site:

http://www.fillernecksupply.com/fuel-hose-elbows/?sort=featured=1

Gates makes cut to fit hose elbows.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Look at the Moeller web site, they have a huge collection of tanks. I seem
to remember there is one which had an angled in fill on a corner which was a
little big for my boat, but may fit yours.

There is also a site called "fuel hoses" or similar with all sorts of
fittings including elbows - it may be "fuel hose elbows".  Google gave it to
me. As they are the same size as the hose, you need a little nipple.

Gary
.
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert >
Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7"
top clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove
it but doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure
the in fill on the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose
easy, maybe simply doable!

I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to
determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.
Someone here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part
#.   The hunt is now on.

The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I
did not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near
now, that the tank will need to be replaced.

Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you
acquire.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>
> All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on
> Fridayreally.
> Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar
> furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei Dennis, what
> tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in plastic?
> Or do the come ready to go?
> Bill Walker CnC 36
> Penteater, Mi
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>


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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

http://www.fillernecksupply.com/gates-1-1-2-90-degree-fuel-filler-elbow-gates-24715-goodyear-59205/

Wow – I could have saved about $100 if I knew about this! That would be perfect 
for the 35, just need a hose-to-hose for the 1/5” fill.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:08 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

Probably this site:

http://www.fillernecksupply.com/fuel-hose-elbows/?sort=featured=1

Gates makes cut to fit hose elbows.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Look at the Moeller web site, they have a huge collection of tanks. I seem
to remember there is one which had an angled in fill on a corner which was a
little big for my boat, but may fit yours.

There is also a site called "fuel hoses" or similar with all sorts of
fittings including elbows - it may be "fuel hose elbows".  Google gave it to
me. As they are the same size as the hose, you need a little nipple.

Gary
.
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert >
Subject: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7"
top clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove
it but doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure
the in fill on the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose
easy, maybe simply doable!

I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to
determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.
Someone here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part
#.   The hunt is now on.

The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I
did not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near
now, that the tank will need to be replaced.

Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you
acquire.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>
> All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on
> Fridayreally.
> Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar
> furnace and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei Dennis, what
> tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in plastic?
> Or do the come ready to go?
> Bill Walker CnC 36
> Penteater, Mi
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>


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Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

Lots of folks have been talking about fuel tank fill and advising a 90 degree 
intake for simpler hose attachment. 
SLY has two fuel tanks, one plastic under the cockpit where the original 
aluminum one was with a straight vertical intake hose connection, plus another 
stainless tank forward under the settee on the starboard side where the settee 
forms an L next to the stove.  This one has a 90 degree intake configuration.
If I need to remove fuel from the after tank it is easy to temporarily remove 
the filler hose from the tank, lead a siphon hose down from the deck fitting 
into the tank and reconnect the filler hose. I'm unable to get the siphon hose 
past the flange on the plastic tank without temporarily removing the filler 
hose but that's not a big deal. 
If I need to remove fuel from the forward tank with the 90 degree intake it 
becomes much more difficult. The siphon hose does not want to go around the 
corner formed by the 90 degree intake. I'm able to force it around the corner 
but it always scrapes some the rubber from the siphon hose and deposits it into 
the tank. So far this has not caused a problem but it sure could if these 
scrapings were sucked up into the pickup tube.
So, something else to think about.
Regards, 
Dave. Kaseler
SLY 1975 C 33

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 12:03 PM, robert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I just measured my fuel tank.27" wide, 16" deep, 12" height+7" top 
> clearance to the cockpit solenot the easiest to access to remove it but 
> doable with some four letter words and beers.   Need to ensure the in fill on 
> the tank has a 90 deg. intake to make connecting the in hose easy, maybe 
> simply doable!
> 
> I like the idea of the Moeller tanks that are transparent.not just to 
> determine the fuel level but possibly seeing anything in the tank.  Someone 
> here , maybe Dennis, earlier gave me a Moeller 19 gallon part #.   The hunt 
> is now on.
> 
> The position Bill is in now is just the position I stated the other day I did 
> not want to be inreplaced the fuel tank because it is now, or near now, 
> that the tank will need to be replaced.
> 
> Good luck to you Billlet us know how you fair out.what tank you 
> acquire.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2017-09-10 9:40 AM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote:
>> 
>> All this talk about leaking tanks caused mine to spring a leak on 
>> Fridayreally.
>> Wish the access on my 36 was as good as others seem to have. Espar furnace 
>> and refrigeration complicate things for me.Dei
>> Dennis, what tank do you recommend?  Good website for fitting install in 
>> plastic?  Or do the come ready to go?
>> Bill Walker CnC 36
>> Penteater, Mi
>> 
>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>> 
>> 
> 
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