Re: Stus-List Baby stays

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

We have rarely had to use our baby stay. But,  when we needed it, it was a
real comfort.
To keep lines from hanging up when it is stowed against the mast, I put it
in about 10 feet of half inch plastic conduit. The conduit helps slide the
sail across when the baby stay is being used.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 4:04 PM dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Baby stays are nothing but trouble more adjustments and totatly in the way
> of everything else some C designs dont have them and some older designs
> have single spreaders and no check stays. Keeps sailing simple and just as
> good and just as fast like my 35  mkII i dare you to keep with me around
> the course. KISS
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 6:09 PM John Conklin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Len,
>> Unfortunately I just purchased two new headsail lines ( 11mm VPC) I
>> thought they would come nicely cut trimmed, sealed, taped, something but
>> they were literally hacked off frayed and I had to waste 6” cut and seal
>> myself lesson learned  I really wish I went with one long piece as now I
>> could do the butterfly knot or just cut myself and have a nice slice done
>> to attach to the soft shackle
>> Been a year of learning for me :) but all good ! Good news most of the
>> goodies are finally done and I will sail this winter in NC if it’s over 50
>> degrees F :)
>>
>> John Conklin
>> S/V Halcyon
>>
>> > On Nov 7, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > John, the 37+ has a baby stay in front of the mast that a metal shackle
>> or a knot sometimes gets caught on. Soft shackles work great. Your 1/2 inch
>> sheet is good for about 10,000#. 1/4 inch dyneema core made into a soft
>> shackle about 12,000#
>> > Give or take plenty strong enough. You do need loops in the sheets to
>> make it work. Like others had said easy to make. Before I bought a fid set
>> I used a bic pen as a fid and made a dozen while watching a hockey game.
>> > Len Mitchell
>> > Crazy Legs
>> > 1989 37+
>> > Midland On.
>> >
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

this looks good Josh though I fear the Alpine Butterfly knot would catch on
my baby stay the same way my continuous genoa sheet (secured to clew with
luggage tag knot) does now.  I would love to remove the baby stay but I
can't find any information on rig stability if I were to do so.  Any
opinions/wisdom from listers regarding giving the baby the boot?

Wade
Oh Boy C 33 MKII
Lake of the Woods

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:32 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I haven't had to replace my jibsheets.  When I do this is how I'll do it.
>
>
> https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 3:57 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If
>> so, how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Baby stay (bs) bs

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

My 1995 XL/kcb was originally fit with baby stays, which as others have noted 
are generally a big PITA. However, since they ‘came as standard’ on my boat, 
who was I to think that they were not essential—I am hardly a naval 
architect/engineer or otherwise qualified to question their necessity.

Fortunately, a former sail maker and America’s Cup competitor had a good look 
at my rig when I purchased sails from him. He noticed that my 3 spreaders were 
aligned athwartship, perpendicular to and aligned port and starboard 
perpendicular to the mast. Further, the boat is rigged with runners and 
check-stays and a non-telephone pole, relatively ‘bendy’ OffShore mast. The 
spreader alignment did not support the need for a baby stay while the check 
stays and runners provides for mast stiffening without the baby stay.

He recommended removing the baby stay as it was unnecessary as well as a PITA. 
Further, it’s role in preventing ‘pumping’ fore and aft of the mast MAY be 
useful in some offshore conditions but my sailing/racing is not offshore and if 
conditions are such that the mast begins to pump, my racing is over and the 
sails are reduced or replaced by the iron genny.

IMHO, either for marketing and/or to use a similar rig in a racer/cruiser (36 
XL) and/or to save design costs that had been already used for a racer (36 R), 
C put the 3 spreader rig for the 36R on the 36XL without change (except 
perhaps for mast height). 

Of course, my opinions above could be totally wrong regarding the reasons for a 
baby stay on the XL and maybe the XL+. However, I firmly believe that it is not 
necessary on my 36XL/kcb. 

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb




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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[schiller via CnC-List]

After buying a sheet and halyard kit from Cajun Ropes that came with 
loose ends, I have attached them with halyard knots and never had a hang 
up on shrouds or baby stays.  The only thing that we get hung up on 
occasion is the forward hatch.  I have found the halyard knot to be much 
better than bowlines anduse them for the main outhaul and reefing line 
as well.  On our old Redwing 35, we had a continuous jib sheet with a 
luggage tag knot.  Both boats have separate spinnaker sheets so all we 
have to do is collect them up and tie them up on the bow pulpit.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC
All covered up and tucked in before the snow flies this week.

On 11/7/2018 8:46 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:

No Edd...

Shackles flying across the deck in tack or having the shackle scar 
your dodger are not good things.


I learned to do an eye splice and went from knots to eyes and a single 
soft shackle.  Slick looking and no more having the sheets hang up on 
the baby stay either.


Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


On Nov 7, 2018, at 1:09 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com 
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:56:19 -0500
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?
Message-ID: <44174af6-5d8c-40cb-bb24-b710dc1ba...@schillay.com 
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Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? 
If so, how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 




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Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

No Edd...

Shackles flying across the deck in tack or having the shackle scar your dodger 
are not good things.

I learned to do an eye splice and went from knots to eyes and a single soft 
shackle.  Slick looking and no more having the sheets hang up on the baby stay 
either.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Nov 7, 2018, at 1:09 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:56:19 -0500
> From: Edd Schillay 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?
> Message-ID: <44174af6-5d8c-40cb-bb24-b710dc1ba...@schillay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Listers,
> 
> Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, 
> how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength? 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Like others, I use soft shackles.  Touche' has double lower shrouds.
Bowline knots always hung up on the forward lower shrouds.  Soft shackles
eliminated the problem.  Got them from apsltd.  See:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsMU9xOXBVd3F5Slk

I just bought another one for attaching a spring line to the toe rail.  Got
it off eBay.  They're so cheap on eBay it isn't worth making my own.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:57 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so,
> how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?
>
>
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Stus-List Genoa shackles

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

 I use soft shackles as well. Made them myself, not hard. Far superior to metal 
shackles, particularly for this application. Much less likely to damage 
something when flapping around. My head, in particular.
Dan SheerPegathy - LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco

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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa sheets

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Baby stays are nothing but trouble more adjustments and totatly in the way
of everything else some C designs dont have them and some older designs
have single spreaders and no check stays. Keeps sailing simple and just as
good and just as fast like my 35  mkII i dare you to keep with me around
the course. KISS

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 6:09 PM John Conklin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks Len,
> Unfortunately I just purchased two new headsail lines ( 11mm VPC) I
> thought they would come nicely cut trimmed, sealed, taped, something but
> they were literally hacked off frayed and I had to waste 6” cut and seal
> myself lesson learned  I really wish I went with one long piece as now I
> could do the butterfly knot or just cut myself and have a nice slice done
> to attach to the soft shackle
> Been a year of learning for me :) but all good ! Good news most of the
> goodies are finally done and I will sail this winter in NC if it’s over 50
> degrees F :)
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
>
> > On Nov 7, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > John, the 37+ has a baby stay in front of the mast that a metal shackle
> or a knot sometimes gets caught on. Soft shackles work great. Your 1/2 inch
> sheet is good for about 10,000#. 1/4 inch dyneema core made into a soft
> shackle about 12,000#
> > Give or take plenty strong enough. You do need loops in the sheets to
> make it work. Like others had said easy to make. Before I bought a fid set
> I used a bic pen as a fid and made a dozen while watching a hockey game.
> > Len Mitchell
> > Crazy Legs
> > 1989 37+
> > Midland On.
> >
> > Sent from my mobile device.
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Stus-List Soft shackles in action

[Thomas Delaney via CnC-List]

Sorry John, it never occurred to me to take good photos of the soft
shackles in action. I have a photo that shows them on a delivery jib in
May, but none with the racing sails.

I ended up using the same two shackles for all of my headsails across the
wind range - had no problems with them in 20+ kts on a #3 or <5 kts on the
light #1.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/x4UBmqaQN6WxSC3g9

Best,
Tom

-- 
Snow Goose
35-1
City Island, NY


-- Forwarded message --
From: John Conklin 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 21:25:20 +
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

So with the soft Shackle ( which I use for tying off to the mid toerail
 and works amazing even in Florence! ) what size line ? (Dyneema?) Is best
for the  head sail on  a 37,  and are you using a splice on the sheet? If
tying a knot for soft shackle why Knot just tie sheet to clew  ? Any one
have any pics of the softees in action on the genny  sheets?



Thanks !



John  C

S/V Halcyon

Oriental NC
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa sheets

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Thanks Len,
Unfortunately I just purchased two new headsail lines ( 11mm VPC) I thought 
they would come nicely cut trimmed, sealed, taped, something but they were 
literally hacked off frayed and I had to waste 6” cut and seal myself lesson 
learned  I really wish I went with one long piece as now I could do the 
butterfly knot or just cut myself and have a nice slice done to attach to the 
soft shackle 
Been a year of learning for me :) but all good ! Good news most of the goodies 
are finally done and I will sail this winter in NC if it’s over 50 degrees F :) 

John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon 

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> John, the 37+ has a baby stay in front of the mast that a metal shackle or a 
> knot sometimes gets caught on. Soft shackles work great. Your 1/2 inch sheet 
> is good for about 10,000#. 1/4 inch dyneema core made into a soft shackle 
> about 12,000#
> Give or take plenty strong enough. You do need loops in the sheets to make it 
> work. Like others had said easy to make. Before I bought a fid set I used a 
> bic pen as a fid and made a dozen while watching a hockey game. 
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On. 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Thomas Delaney via CnC-List]

Hi Edd,

I used a single set of homemade soft shackles all season long. I bought a
set of fids and a 100ft spool of 4mm UHMWPE cord on Amazon, and spent the
winter making dozens of them. I tried two different styles and ended up
like the one at the following link the best http://l-36.com/soft_shackle_howto.php> I'll bring a handful to the EBYRA
brunch so you can check them out.

As everyone is saying, they haven't hung on the shrouds at all and have
been a huge improvement in simplicity.

Best,
Tom

-- 
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35-1
City Island, NY

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From: WILLIAM WALKER 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:21:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Ditto soft shackle.. Make your own, good winter evening project...plenty of
videos on line.
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi.
(Winter Cincinnati, Ohio)

Bill Walker
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On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Edd, I went to the "soft shackle" last year and love it...I have have not
had a single (not one) line hang on the shrouds using the soft shackle...I
have been pleased with the lack of maintenance required also...;

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596:

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 3:57 pm
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so,
how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
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Stus-List Shackle for Genoa sheets

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

John, the 37+ has a baby stay in front of the mast that a metal shackle or a 
knot sometimes gets caught on. Soft shackles work great. Your 1/2 inch sheet is 
good for about 10,000#. 1/4 inch dyneema core made into a soft shackle about 
12,000#
Give or take plenty strong enough. You do need loops in the sheets to make it 
work. Like others had said easy to make. Before I bought a fid set I used a bic 
pen as a fid and made a dozen while watching a hockey game. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 

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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I haven't had to replace my jibsheets.  When I do this is how I'll do it.

https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 3:57 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so,
> how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Our man Josh has an excellent video on this !



From: CnC-List  on behalf of WILLIAM WALKER via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 4:21:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: WILLIAM WALKER
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?


Ditto soft shackle.. Make your own, good winter evening project...plenty of 
videos on line.
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi.
(Winter Cincinnati, Ohio)

Bill Walker



On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Edd, I went to the "soft shackle" last year and love it...I have have not had a 
single (not one) line hang on the shrouds using the soft shackle...I have been 
pleased with the lack of maintenance required also...;

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596:

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 3:57 pm
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
Log








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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

So with the soft Shackle ( which I use for tying off to the mid toerail  and 
works amazing even in Florence! ) what size line ? (Dyneema?) Is best for the  
head sail on  a 37,  and are you using a splice on the sheet? If tying a knot 
for soft shackle why Knot just tie sheet to clew  ? Any one have any pics of 
the softees in action on the genny  sheets?

Thanks !

John  C
S/V Halcyon
Oriental NC


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To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ken Heaton
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

I don't think a metal shackle ‎on the jib clew is a good idea. Think about how 
much damage that can do when the sail is flogging, damage to the boat or the 
crew.

A soft shackle would work though.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.
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Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?


Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?

All the best,

Edd


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Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Ditto soft shackle.. Make your own, good winter evening project...plenty of 
videos on line.
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi.
(Winter Cincinnati, Ohio)

Bill Walker 

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Edd, I went to the "soft shackle" last year and love it...I have have not had a 
single (not one) line hang on the shrouds using the soft shackle...I have been 
pleased with the lack of maintenance required also...;


Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596:


Richard N. Bush 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255



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From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 3:57 pm
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Listers, 


Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength? 


All the best,


Edd



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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Hi Edd,
 I use soft shackles.  They hurt a lot less when you get hit in the
head with them.
Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~



On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:57 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
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> Listers,
>
> Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so,
> how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[T power via CnC-List]

I use a soft shackle, works awesome, no worry about chafe.

Cheers.

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 4:56:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
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City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

  I don't think a metal shackle ‎on the jib clew is a good idea. Think about how much damage that can do when the sail is flogging, damage to the boat or the crew.A soft shackle would work though.Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: Edd Schillay via CnC-ListSent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 4:57 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Edd SchillaySubject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?Listers,Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength? 
All the best,EddEdd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log	

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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Edd, I went to the "soft shackle" last year and love it...I have have not had 
a single (not one) line hang on the shrouds using the soft shackle...I have 
been pleased with the lack of maintenance required also...;
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596:

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 3:57 pm
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Listers,
Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength? 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
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Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength? 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
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Re: Stus-List Rudder squeak

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

That little squirt is how I know I have enough!

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 3:46 PM bwhitmore via CnC-List  Al little grease squirts out around the shaft.  No big deal.  :)
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Al little grease squirts out around the shaft.  No big deal.  :)Sent from my 
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Re: Stus-List Rudder squeak

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What happens if you over do it?

Josh

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> You can probably overdue the greasing if you installed zerk fittings and
> use a gun that wont happen with grease cups i find them ( my boat has 2)
> quite hard to turn. Cups can be refilled and i believe a zerk fitting would
> fit the same threaded hole the cup used
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 8:19 AM bwhitmore via CnC-List <
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>> I installed grease zerks with the rudder in the boat and the boat in the
>> water.  I drilled two holes in the rudder tube, one above and one below the
>> autopilot arm and used a tap for the right threads to install the zincs.
>> Don't over tighten them.  I the used Green Grease as discussed earlier.
>> Easy Peasy.
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>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37 / 40 + "Astralis "
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You can probably overdue the greasing if you installed zerk fittings and
use a gun that wont happen with grease cups i find them ( my boat has 2)
quite hard to turn. Cups can be refilled and i believe a zerk fitting would
fit the same threaded hole the cup used

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> I installed grease zerks with the rudder in the boat and the boat in the
> water.  I drilled two holes in the rudder tube, one above and one below the
> autopilot arm and used a tap for the right threads to install the zincs.
> Don't over tighten them.  I the used Green Grease as discussed earlier.
> Easy Peasy.
>
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> 1994 C 37 / 40 + "Astralis "
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I installed grease zerks with the rudder in the boat and the boat in the water. 
 I drilled two holes in the rudder tube, one above and one below the autopilot 
arm and used a tap for the right threads to install the zincs.  Don't over 
tighten them.  I the used Green Grease as discussed earlier.  Easy Peasy.Bruce 
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