Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice

[Garry Cross via CnC-List]

My 2 cents.
Sounds to me like two different bad connections. There is a bad connection,
likely ground path on Batt 2, just the load of the normal house circuits
cannot flow through it. For Batt 1 it sounds like another bad connection
but the house circuit does not draw enough current to drop the voltage
enough that things stop working but the start current drops the voltage to
much. It's all about ohm's law. I = V/R or V = I*R. So with low amps there
is less voltage drop over a bad connection. Raise the current and you
produce more voltage drop. Push 1 amp through a 6 ohm resistance and your
gonna drop 6V.  Put a voltmeter there with no load it will read 12V.
Another way, put a voltmeter between the battery - terminal and the + at
the starter. It likely will read 12v. If you hit the start button and the
voltage stays at 12v then the issue is in the ground path. If it drops the
issue is in the hot path.



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> From: Jeff Helsdingen 
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> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:47:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice
> I would imagine it would also be prudent to check the connection of all
> the ring terminals on both the power and ground circuits from the battery
> through the battery switch and to the starter.  Since it's a "new" problem
> I wouldn't immediately think that wire sizing might be a problem as well
> but "original" cabling that has had lots of extra things added can suddenly
> become undersized quickly too.
>
> Jeff Helsdingen
> Caposhi
> C 35 mk 1 #54
> Port Stanley On.
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 2:14 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough
>> current to crank is another, and definitely something that will be
>> adversely affected by bad ground continuity.
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Clean all the ground connections.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
>>> electrical issue du jour.
>>>
>>> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
>>> Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
>>> old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
>>> batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
>>> have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
>>> sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
>>> playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
>>> Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
>>> on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
>>> activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
>>> 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
>>> battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
>>> starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
>>> the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
>>> the engine.
>>>
>>> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
>>> 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
>>> left for a few more days on the water.
>>>
>>> Now, the current circumstance is this.
>>> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see
>>> normal charging voltages to both battery banks.
>>> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to
>>> both batteries.
>>> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are
>>> resting at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link
>>> 20.  When I try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery
>>> power.  The engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1
>>> or ALL and won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V
>>> electrical activity on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable
>>> battery pack onto my starter battery with the switch in the ALL position,
>>> the engine will go however, it still feels like the starter is turning too
>>> slowly.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the
>>> system has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would
>>> appreciate any suggestions
>>>
>>> Wade
>>> Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
>>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I would rather anchor out than go to MRYC. I know a lot of us will be wanting 
to walk around the town.
I might suggest seeing about an “event” at CBMM. Those who are anchored out 
could still use the showers maybe??? We can anyway from being members.
My wife loves the Harbor Inn for the free breakfast ☺
Joe
Coquina



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Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 7:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

As my boat is berthed next to Higgins (and winters there), I asked. Busy. The 
marinas around here are busy until the end of October. We only have a few slips 
available – Higgins has about 20 but a lot of repeat visitors, St. Michaels  
Marina has more but is busy most weekends, you may be better at CBMM (I am 
involved there and can ask) and Harbor Inn and Marina is limited and expensive.

I asked at Higgins (by the way they are new owners and great folks, but are 
keeping full) so I have to wonder how many attendees would be willing to anchor 
out – we can probably find a place for a party – my lawn is too small – the 
shuttle service is rather good, so anchoring is not a problem – I would 
recommend Fogg Cove by the Museum (and Perry Cabin megabucks resort – you have 
to endure the Hinckley tour boat and the fleet of Alerions of various lengths). 
About 10 feet and good holding.

Would you consider Miles River Yacht Club – again limited slips (bunch of owner 
boats) but the ‘creek’ has good space and I think the shuttle would be OK to 
get into town?

Sorry for no more local knowledge, but it has been a busy spring/summer, and we 
don’t have a lot of room, but a great place to live and sail.

Gary Nylander
30-1

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mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

I don’t think we have a final location. The Maritime Museum is fun. The Harbor 
Inn on the other side is luxurious. Higgins is a boatyard – not fancy – but 
nice people. The St Michaels Harbor Marina (sp??) is loud and the owners don’t 
care. Kind of the party marina over there.

Joe
Coquina

From: Robert Boyer [mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:42 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

Where in St. Michaels?
Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently in Baltimore for the summer)
blog: 
dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

On Aug 13, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Sounds fun! We love fall ☺

Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 11:11 AM
To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

That's right.  Weekend after sailboat show in October.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I seem to recall something about St. Michaels maybe?

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Electrical Advice

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

That's a cool system. You have one of these posts grounded to the other
then to engine ground, or each has its own grounding wire?
Wade

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 17:34 Dennis C. via CnC-List, 
wrote:

> Yep.  I have a couple of these on Touche'.  One is used as a central
> ground and is grounded to the engine via a battery cable.
>
> https://www.bluesea.com/products/2101/PowerPost_Plus_-_1_4in-20_Stud
>
> In general, you can stack battery cables on the center post and use the
> screws for smaller wires.  Just be aware of what size screws (studs) you
> need.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 4:53 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't there have to be a grounding wire from the bus bar to the engine
>> anyways?  Then all grounds would go to this bus bar correct?
>> Wade
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 15:36 Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List, <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Even better, get something like these for ship’s ground instead of the
>>> engine:
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-PowerBar-BusBar/dp/B00H8L5AKE
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-Power-Connnector/dp/B000K2IKZA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=blue+sea+power=1565728515=gateway=8-1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> Coquina
>>>
>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
>>> S via CnC-List
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 3:38 PM
>>> *To:* Wade Glew 
>>> *Cc:* Dave S ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wade,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The main and most troublesome grounding point on my 33-2 was the stud on
>>> the engine behind the starter motor.My suggestion (also) is to start
>>> there.   All clean, corrosion free and solid contact.  This was my first
>>> trouble spot and most impactful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Wade Glew  wrote:
>>>
>>> thanks you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok,  I'll get a volt meter to check the batteries directly.
>>>
>>>  if I'm to check all the grounds, I take this to mean:  follow the
>>> batteries back to wherever the system grounds to the engine block to begin
>>> with.  Then each of the battery terminals and finally to where the battery
>>> banks come to the main ground bus?   I'm really a rookie with electrical
>>> stuff so be specific if you can.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wade
>>>
>>> Oh Boy C 33 MK II
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:14 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough
>>> current to crank is another, and definitely something that will be
>>> adversely affected by bad ground continuity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> — Fred
>>>
>>>
>>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>>> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Clean all the ground connections.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
>>> electrical issue du jour.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
>>> Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
>>> old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
>>> batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
>>> have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
>>> sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
>>> playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
>>> Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
>>> on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
>>> activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
>>> 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
>>> battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
>>> starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
>>> the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
>>> the engine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
>>> 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
>>> left for a few more days on the water.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, the current circumstance is this.
>>>
>>> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see
>>> normal charging voltages to both battery banks.
>>>
>>> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to
>>> both batteries.
>>>
>>> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are
>>> resting at about 12.5 V.  

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

As my boat is berthed next to Higgins (and winters there), I asked. Busy. The 
marinas around here are busy until the end of October. We only have a few slips 
available – Higgins has about 20 but a lot of repeat visitors, St. Michaels  
Marina has more but is busy most weekends, you may be better at CBMM (I am 
involved there and can ask) and Harbor Inn and Marina is limited and expensive.

 

I asked at Higgins (by the way they are new owners and great folks, but are 
keeping full) so I have to wonder how many attendees would be willing to anchor 
out – we can probably find a place for a party – my lawn is too small – the 
shuttle service is rather good, so anchoring is not a problem – I would 
recommend Fogg Cove by the Museum (and Perry Cabin megabucks resort – you have 
to endure the Hinckley tour boat and the fleet of Alerions of various lengths). 
About 10 feet and good holding.

 

Would you consider Miles River Yacht Club – again limited slips (bunch of owner 
boats) but the ‘creek’ has good space and I think the shuttle would be OK to 
get into town?

 

Sorry for no more local knowledge, but it has been a busy spring/summer, and we 
don’t have a lot of room, but a great place to live and sail.

 

Gary Nylander

30-1

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

 

I don’t think we have a final location. The Maritime Museum is fun. The Harbor 
Inn on the other side is luxurious. Higgins is a boatyard – not fancy – but 
nice people. The St Michaels Harbor Marina (sp??) is loud and the owners don’t 
care. Kind of the party marina over there.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

From: Robert Boyer [mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:42 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

 

Where in St. Michaels?

Bob Boyer

s/v Rainy Days

C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)

(Presently in Baltimore for the summer)

blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com 

 

email: dainyr...@icloud.com  


On Aug 13, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Sounds fun! We love fall :)

 

Joe

Coquina

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 11:11 AM
To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

 

That's right.  Weekend after sailboat show in October.

 

Josh Muckley 

S/V Sea Hawk 

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 

 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I seem to recall something about St. Michaels maybe?

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

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Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

Thanks Jeff,
I'll do that.
This boat had had a number of upgrades electrically by the man who owned it
for 15 years before me. I've upgraded nothing in the electrical systems in
the past 10 years. Still, lots of vibration over many years
Wade

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 17:48 Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I would imagine it would also be prudent to check the connection of all
> the ring terminals on both the power and ground circuits from the battery
> through the battery switch and to the starter.  Since it's a "new" problem
> I wouldn't immediately think that wire sizing might be a problem as well
> but "original" cabling that has had lots of extra things added can suddenly
> become undersized quickly too.
>
> Jeff Helsdingen
> Caposhi
> C 35 mk 1 #54
> Port Stanley On.
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 2:14 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough
>> current to crank is another, and definitely something that will be
>> adversely affected by bad ground continuity.
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Clean all the ground connections.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
>>> electrical issue du jour.
>>>
>>> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
>>> Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
>>> old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
>>> batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
>>> have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
>>> sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
>>> playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
>>> Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
>>> on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
>>> activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
>>> 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
>>> battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
>>> starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
>>> the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
>>> the engine.
>>>
>>> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
>>> 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
>>> left for a few more days on the water.
>>>
>>> Now, the current circumstance is this.
>>> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see
>>> normal charging voltages to both battery banks.
>>> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to
>>> both batteries.
>>> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are
>>> resting at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link
>>> 20.  When I try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery
>>> power.  The engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1
>>> or ALL and won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V
>>> electrical activity on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable
>>> battery pack onto my starter battery with the switch in the ALL position,
>>> the engine will go however, it still feels like the starter is turning too
>>> slowly.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the
>>> system has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would
>>> appreciate any suggestions
>>>
>>> Wade
>>> Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice

[Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List]

I would imagine it would also be prudent to check the connection of all the
ring terminals on both the power and ground circuits from the battery
through the battery switch and to the starter.  Since it's a "new" problem
I wouldn't immediately think that wire sizing might be a problem as well
but "original" cabling that has had lots of extra things added can suddenly
become undersized quickly too.

Jeff Helsdingen
Caposhi
C 35 mk 1 #54
Port Stanley On.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 2:14 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough
> current to crank is another, and definitely something that will be
> adversely affected by bad ground continuity.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Clean all the ground connections.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
>> electrical issue du jour.
>>
>> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
>> Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
>> old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
>> batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
>> have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
>> sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
>> playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
>> Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
>> on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
>> activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
>> 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
>> battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
>> starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
>> the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
>> the engine.
>>
>> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
>> 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
>> left for a few more days on the water.
>>
>> Now, the current circumstance is this.
>> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see normal
>> charging voltages to both battery banks.
>> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to
>> both batteries.
>> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are
>> resting at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link
>> 20.  When I try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery
>> power.  The engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1
>> or ALL and won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V
>> electrical activity on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable
>> battery pack onto my starter battery with the switch in the ALL position,
>> the engine will go however, it still feels like the starter is turning too
>> slowly.
>>
>> I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the
>> system has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would
>> appreciate any suggestions
>>
>> Wade
>> Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
>>
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Electrical Advice

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yep.  I have a couple of these on Touche'.  One is used as a central ground
and is grounded to the engine via a battery cable.

https://www.bluesea.com/products/2101/PowerPost_Plus_-_1_4in-20_Stud

In general, you can stack battery cables on the center post and use the
screws for smaller wires.  Just be aware of what size screws (studs) you
need.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 4:53 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Doesn't there have to be a grounding wire from the bus bar to the engine
> anyways?  Then all grounds would go to this bus bar correct?
> Wade
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 15:36 Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List, <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Even better, get something like these for ship’s ground instead of the
>> engine:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-PowerBar-BusBar/dp/B00H8L5AKE
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-Power-Connnector/dp/B000K2IKZA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=blue+sea+power=1565728515=gateway=8-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
>> S via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 3:38 PM
>> *To:* Wade Glew 
>> *Cc:* Dave S ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice
>>
>>
>>
>> Wade,
>>
>>
>>
>> The main and most troublesome grounding point on my 33-2 was the stud on
>> the engine behind the starter motor.My suggestion (also) is to start
>> there.   All clean, corrosion free and solid contact.  This was my first
>> trouble spot and most impactful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Wade Glew  wrote:
>>
>> thanks you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok,  I'll get a volt meter to check the batteries directly.
>>
>>  if I'm to check all the grounds, I take this to mean:  follow the
>> batteries back to wherever the system grounds to the engine block to begin
>> with.  Then each of the battery terminals and finally to where the battery
>> banks come to the main ground bus?   I'm really a rookie with electrical
>> stuff so be specific if you can.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wade
>>
>> Oh Boy C 33 MK II
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:14 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough
>> current to crank is another, and definitely something that will be
>> adversely affected by bad ground continuity.
>>
>>
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Clean all the ground connections.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
>> electrical issue du jour.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
>> Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
>> old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
>> batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
>> have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
>> sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
>> playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
>> Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
>> on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
>> activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
>> 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
>> battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
>> starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
>> the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
>> the engine.
>>
>>
>>
>> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
>> 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
>> left for a few more days on the water.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, the current circumstance is this.
>>
>> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see normal
>> charging voltages to both battery banks.
>>
>> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to
>> both batteries.
>>
>> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are
>> resting at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link
>> 20.  When I try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery
>> power.  The engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1
>> or ALL and won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V
>> electrical activity on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable
>> battery pack onto my 

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Electrical Advice

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

Doesn't there have to be a grounding wire from the bus bar to the engine
anyways?  Then all grounds would go to this bus bar correct?
Wade

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 15:36 Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Even better, get something like these for ship’s ground instead of the
> engine:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-PowerBar-BusBar/dp/B00H8L5AKE
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-Power-Connnector/dp/B000K2IKZA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=blue+sea+power=1565728515=gateway=8-1
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> S via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 3:38 PM
> *To:* Wade Glew 
> *Cc:* Dave S ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice
>
>
>
> Wade,
>
>
>
> The main and most troublesome grounding point on my 33-2 was the stud on
> the engine behind the starter motor.My suggestion (also) is to start
> there.   All clean, corrosion free and solid contact.  This was my first
> trouble spot and most impactful.
>
>
>
> Dave.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Wade Glew  wrote:
>
> thanks you.
>
>
>
> Ok,  I'll get a volt meter to check the batteries directly.
>
>  if I'm to check all the grounds, I take this to mean:  follow the
> batteries back to wherever the system grounds to the engine block to begin
> with.  Then each of the battery terminals and finally to where the battery
> banks come to the main ground bus?   I'm really a rookie with electrical
> stuff so be specific if you can.
>
>
>
> Wade
>
> Oh Boy C 33 MK II
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:14 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough
> current to crank is another, and definitely something that will be
> adversely affected by bad ground continuity.
>
>
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Clean all the ground connections.
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
> electrical issue du jour.
>
>
>
> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
> Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
> old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
> batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
> have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
> sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
> playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
> Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
> on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
> activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
> 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
> battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
> starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
> the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
> the engine.
>
>
>
> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
> 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
> left for a few more days on the water.
>
>
>
> Now, the current circumstance is this.
>
> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see normal
> charging voltages to both battery banks.
>
> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to
> both batteries.
>
> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are
> resting at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link
> 20.  When I try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery
> power.  The engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1
> or ALL and won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V
> electrical activity on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable
> battery pack onto my starter battery with the switch in the ALL position,
> the engine will go however, it still feels like the starter is turning too
> slowly.
>
>
>
> I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the
> system has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would
> appreciate any suggestions
>
>
>
> Wade
>
> Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
>
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I don’t think we have a final location. The Maritime Museum is fun. The Harbor 
Inn on the other side is luxurious. Higgins is a boatyard – not fancy – but 
nice people. The St Michaels Harbor Marina (sp??) is loud and the owners don’t 
care. Kind of the party marina over there.

Joe
Coquina

From: Robert Boyer [mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:42 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

Where in St. Michaels?
Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently in Baltimore for the summer)
blog: 
dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

On Aug 13, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Sounds fun! We love fall ☺

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 11:11 AM
To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

That's right.  Weekend after sailboat show in October.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I seem to recall something about St. Michaels maybe?

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Where in St. Michaels?

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently in Baltimore for the summer)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds fun! We love fall J
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 11:11 AM
> To: C List 
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned
>  
> That's right.  Weekend after sailboat show in October.
>  
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
>  
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> I seem to recall something about St. Michaels maybe?
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Electrical Advice

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Even better, get something like these for ship’s ground instead of the engine:
https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-PowerBar-BusBar/dp/B00H8L5AKE
https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-Power-Connnector/dp/B000K2IKZA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=blue+sea+power=1565728515=gateway=8-1


Joe
Coquina
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 3:38 PM
To: Wade Glew 
Cc: Dave S ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice

Wade,

The main and most troublesome grounding point on my 33-2 was the stud on the 
engine behind the starter motor.My suggestion (also) is to start there.   
All clean, corrosion free and solid contact.  This was my first trouble spot 
and most impactful.

Dave.
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Wade Glew 
mailto:wadeg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
thanks you.

Ok,  I'll get a volt meter to check the batteries directly.
 if I'm to check all the grounds, I take this to mean:  follow the batteries 
back to wherever the system grounds to the engine block to begin with.  Then 
each of the battery terminals and finally to where the battery banks come to 
the main ground bus?   I'm really a rookie with electrical stuff so be specific 
if you can.

Wade
Oh Boy C 33 MK II

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:14 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough current to 
crank is another, and definitely something that will be adversely affected by 
bad ground continuity.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Clean all the ground connections.

Dennis C.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my electrical 
issue du jour.

Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.  Bank 1 
(house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years old.  Bank 2 
is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my batteries pretty well and 
the system seemed to be operating normally.  I have a True Charge 40 battery 
charger.   One morning after several days out sailing, drinking lots of cold 
beer from the fridge and lots of music playing) and running the engine very 
little, the engine would not start.  Starter turned slow, felt like no battery 
power.  I had the Master Switch on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at 
which point all 12V electrical activity on the boat stopped working altogether. 
 Prior to switching to Bat 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V 
with estimated time on battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable 
battery pack onto my starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  
However, powering up the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery 
allowed me to start the engine.

I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new 1000 
cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then left for a 
few more days on the water.

Now, the current circumstance is this.
When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see normal 
charging voltages to both battery banks.
When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to both 
batteries.
After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are resting at 
about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link 20.  When I try to 
start the engine it feels again like I have low battery power.  The engine 
barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1 or ALL and won't start. 
 If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V electrical activity on the boat 
instantly stops.  If I put the portable battery pack onto my starter battery 
with the switch in the ALL position, the engine will go however, it still feels 
like the starter is turning too slowly.

I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the system 
has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would appreciate 
any suggestions

Wade
Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Wade, 

The main and most troublesome grounding point on my 33-2 was the stud on the 
engine behind the starter motor.My suggestion (also) is to start there.   
All clean, corrosion free and solid contact.  This was my first trouble spot 
and most impactful.

Dave.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Wade Glew  wrote:
> 
> thanks you.
> 
> Ok,  I'll get a volt meter to check the batteries directly.  
>  if I'm to check all the grounds, I take this to mean:  follow the batteries 
> back to wherever the system grounds to the engine block to begin with.  Then 
> each of the battery terminals and finally to where the battery banks come to 
> the main ground bus?   I'm really a rookie with electrical stuff so be 
> specific if you can.
> 
> Wade 
> Oh Boy C 33 MK II
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:14 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough current 
>> to crank is another, and definitely something that will be adversely 
>> affected by bad ground continuity.
>> 
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Clean all the ground connections.
>>> 
>>> Dennis C.
>>> 
 On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my 
 electrical issue du jour.  
 
 Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.  
 Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years 
 old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my 
 batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I 
 have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days 
 out sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music 
 playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.  
 Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch 
 on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical 
 activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to 
 Bat 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time 
 on battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my 
 starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up 
 the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start 
 the engine.  
 
 I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new 
 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then 
 left for a few more days on the water. 
 
 Now, the current circumstance is this.  
 When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see normal 
 charging voltages to both battery banks.  
 When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to 
 both batteries.   
 After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are 
 resting at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link 
 20.  When I try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery 
 power.  The engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1 
 or ALL and won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V 
 electrical activity on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable 
 battery pack onto my starter battery with the switch in the ALL position, 
 the engine will go however, it still feels like the starter is turning too 
 slowly.  
 
 I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the 
 system has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would 
 appreciate any suggestions
 
 Wade
 Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Best to disconnect all the battery cables both positive and negative, clean
them and reconnect them.  Get yourself some Ultra Safety Systems TefGel (
https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=546)
and coat the connections with it.  Clean both ends of the cables.

Like Fred said, measuring voltage is only part of the story.  You're really
looking for current.  A corroded connection may show adequate voltage but
may be incapable of passing enough current to start your engine.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:34 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> thanks you.
>
> Ok,  I'll get a volt meter to check the batteries directly.
>  if I'm to check all the grounds, I take this to mean:  follow the
> batteries back to wherever the system grounds to the engine block to begin
> with.  Then each of the battery terminals and finally to where the battery
> banks come to the main ground bus?   I'm really a rookie with electrical
> stuff so be specific if you can.
>
> Wade
> Oh Boy C 33 MK II
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:14 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough
>> current to crank is another, and definitely something that will be
>> adversely affected by bad ground continuity.
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Clean all the ground connections.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
>>> electrical issue du jour.
>>>
>>> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
>>> Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
>>> old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
>>> batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
>>> have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
>>> sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
>>> playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
>>> Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
>>> on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
>>> activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
>>> 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
>>> battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
>>> starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
>>> the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
>>> the engine.
>>>
>>> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
>>> 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
>>> left for a few more days on the water.
>>>
>>> Now, the current circumstance is this.
>>> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see
>>> normal charging voltages to both battery banks.
>>> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to
>>> both batteries.
>>> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are
>>> resting at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link
>>> 20.  When I try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery
>>> power.  The engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1
>>> or ALL and won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V
>>> electrical activity on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable
>>> battery pack onto my starter battery with the switch in the ALL position,
>>> the engine will go however, it still feels like the starter is turning too
>>> slowly.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the
>>> system has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would
>>> appreciate any suggestions
>>>
>>> Wade
>>> Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

thanks you.

Ok,  I'll get a volt meter to check the batteries directly.
 if I'm to check all the grounds, I take this to mean:  follow the
batteries back to wherever the system grounds to the engine block to begin
with.  Then each of the battery terminals and finally to where the battery
banks come to the main ground bus?   I'm really a rookie with electrical
stuff so be specific if you can.

Wade
Oh Boy C 33 MK II

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:14 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough
> current to crank is another, and definitely something that will be
> adversely affected by bad ground continuity.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Clean all the ground connections.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
>> electrical issue du jour.
>>
>> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
>> Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
>> old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
>> batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
>> have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
>> sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
>> playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
>> Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
>> on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
>> activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
>> 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
>> battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
>> starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
>> the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
>> the engine.
>>
>> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
>> 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
>> left for a few more days on the water.
>>
>> Now, the current circumstance is this.
>> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see normal
>> charging voltages to both battery banks.
>> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to
>> both batteries.
>> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are
>> resting at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link
>> 20.  When I try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery
>> power.  The engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1
>> or ALL and won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V
>> electrical activity on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable
>> battery pack onto my starter battery with the switch in the ALL position,
>> the engine will go however, it still feels like the starter is turning too
>> slowly.
>>
>> I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the
>> system has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would
>> appreciate any suggestions
>>
>> Wade
>> Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
>>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Agreed, sounds like a bad ground.  Voltage is one thing; but enough current to 
crank is another, and definitely something that will be adversely affected by 
bad ground continuity.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Clean all the ground connections.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my electrical 
> issue du jour.  
> 
> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.  Bank 
> 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years old.  Bank 
> 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my batteries pretty well 
> and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I have a True Charge 40 
> battery charger.   One morning after several days out sailing, drinking lots 
> of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music playing) and running the 
> engine very little, the engine would not start.  Starter turned slow, felt 
> like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch on 1 so I turned the switch 
> to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical activity on the boat stopped 
> working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat 2, the Link 20 showed my 
> starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on battery remaining at 225 
> hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my starter battery and it read 
> 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up the battery pack and 
> connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start the engine.  
> 
> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new 1000 
> cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then left for 
> a few more days on the water. 
> 
> Now, the current circumstance is this.  
> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see normal 
> charging voltages to both battery banks.  
> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to both 
> batteries.   
> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are resting 
> at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link 20.  When I 
> try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery power.  The 
> engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1 or ALL and 
> won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V electrical activity on 
> the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable battery pack onto my starter 
> battery with the switch in the ALL position, the engine will go however, it 
> still feels like the starter is turning too slowly.  
> 
> I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the system 
> has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would appreciate 
> any suggestions
> 
> Wade
> Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Wade,

There is too little information about the interconnecting wiring of your
boat.  To get started you need a portable volt meter and reading directly
off the battery terminals.  Second, disregard the capacity readings from
the Link 20.  As discussed previously with Edd Schillay the capacity shown
by ANY capacity meter is very suspect and will absolutely not show state of
charge.  The closest/best readily available indicator of SoC is voltage.
Normal full charge 100% =12.7V NO LOAD.  Dead 0% = 10.5V NO LOAD but you
should at all costs avoid going below 50% so 11.6v under NO LOAD is your
bottom limit on TERMINAL voltage.

I did a video series on charge/discharge profiles and SoC.

Properties of Lead Acid Batteries #1 - Surface charge -
https://youtu.be/vbsFt5aaLOU
Properties of Lead Acid Batteries #2 - Discharge Amp-Hours -
https://youtu.be/wfx-i7_AKw4
Properties of Lead Acid Batteries #3 - Charging Amp-Hours -
https://youtu.be/PvT-I4WtgPU


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
> electrical issue du jour.
>
> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
> Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
> old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
> batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
> have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
> sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
> playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
> Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
> on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
> activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
> 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
> battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
> starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
> the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
> the engine.
>
> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
> 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
> left for a few more days on the water.
>
> Now, the current circumstance is this.
> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see normal
> charging voltages to both battery banks.
> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to
> both batteries.
> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are
> resting at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link
> 20.  When I try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery
> power.  The engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1
> or ALL and won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V
> electrical activity on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable
> battery pack onto my starter battery with the switch in the ALL position,
> the engine will go however, it still feels like the starter is turning too
> slowly.
>
> I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the
> system has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would
> appreciate any suggestions
>
> Wade
> Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
>
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Re: Stus-List Electrical Advice

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Clean all the ground connections.

Dennis C.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
> electrical issue du jour.
>
> Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
> Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
> old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
> batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
> have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
> sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
> playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
> Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
> on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
> activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
> 2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
> battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
> starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
> the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
> the engine.
>
> I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
> 1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
> left for a few more days on the water.
>
> Now, the current circumstance is this.
> When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see normal
> charging voltages to both battery banks.
> When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to
> both batteries.
> After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are
> resting at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link
> 20.  When I try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery
> power.  The engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1
> or ALL and won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V
> electrical activity on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable
> battery pack onto my starter battery with the switch in the ALL position,
> the engine will go however, it still feels like the starter is turning too
> slowly.
>
> I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the
> system has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would
> appreciate any suggestions
>
> Wade
> Oh Boy, C 33 MK II
>
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Stus-List Electrical Advice

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

Hello listers,  I would appreciate any advice you might have on my
electrical issue du jour.

Mine is a C 33 MK II and I have a Link 20 battery monitoring system.
Bank 1 (house) is 4 Trojan T-105 (225 AH) 6V  deep cycles about 5 years
old.  Bank 2 is a 12V starter battery dated 2005.  I look after my
batteries pretty well and the system seemed to be operating normally.  I
have a True Charge 40 battery charger.   One morning after several days out
sailing, drinking lots of cold beer from the fridge and lots of music
playing) and running the engine very little, the engine would not start.
Starter turned slow, felt like no battery power.  I had the Master Switch
on 1 so I turned the switch to Battery 2 at which point all 12V electrical
activity on the boat stopped working altogether.  Prior to switching to Bat
2, the Link 20 showed my starter battery at 12.4V with estimated time on
battery remaining at 225 hours.  I put a portable battery pack onto my
starter battery and it read 12.4 V from the battery.  However, powering up
the battery pack and connecting to my starter battery allowed me to start
the engine.

I went back to harbour and replaced my starter battery with a brand new
1000 cranking amps 12V battery.  I charged by shore power overnight then
left for a few more days on the water.

Now, the current circumstance is this.
When connected to shore power and Main Switch set to Bat 1,  I see normal
charging voltages to both battery banks.
When under engine and Main Switch set to ALL, I see normal charging to both
batteries.
After sitting overnight on anchor, I see both Bank 1 and Bank 2 are resting
at about 12.5 V.  Both banks show plenty of reserve on the Link 20.  When I
try to start the engine it feels again like I have low battery power.  The
engine barely turns when I set the Main Switch to either Bat 1 or ALL and
won't start.  If I change the switch to Bat 2, all 12V electrical activity
on the boat instantly stops.  If I put the portable battery pack onto my
starter battery with the switch in the ALL position, the engine will go
however, it still feels like the starter is turning too slowly.

I'm looking for a single cause to explain all this as up til now, the
system has functioned well for the 10 years I've owned the boat.  I would
appreciate any suggestions

Wade
Oh Boy, C 33 MK II


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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Sounds fun! We love fall ☺

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 11:11 AM
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

That's right.  Weekend after sailboat show in October.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I seem to recall something about St. Michaels maybe?

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Any Mid-Atlantic rendezvous planned

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

That's right.  Weekend after sailboat show in October.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 10:56 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
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> I seem to recall something about St. Michaels maybe?
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I seem to recall something about St. Michaels maybe?

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