Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection

[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

 Hi,   If the soleonid moves but motor does not turn it may well be the 
solenoid itself, assuming all high amperage connexions are clean and tight . 
When this happens and a screwdriver between the 2 + posts make it work  then it 
is the connexion between the 2 posts inside the solenoid.
beware of sparks when you perform tests ( I have an Atomic 4 )
SylvainC MkIII

On Friday, July 3, 2020, 2:22:46 PM EDT, General Gao via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi everyone,

I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually rotate. 
I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not turn.
Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter issue? 
Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at?
Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced community.
thank you,
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Re: Stus-List Starter or wire connection

[Ray Kennedy via CnC-List]

Bo

As stated earlier, corrosion is our enemy. You state that you usually need
to turn the key a couple of times - not familiar with your model, mine has a
key that simply turns on the ignition circuit and a push button that
energizes the starter solenoid. Yanmar keys are very poor pieces of
engineering, if you actually have a start position on your key, as in an
automobile, you might want to look there for a worn out contact. But first
priority would be ALL of the battery wiring: battery(s) ground cable(s),
battery positive terminal, battery positive cable to starter/solenoid
terminal(s). Remove each one at a time, degrease if dirty, use fine
sandpaper like 220 or higher on the terminals to remove any corrosion, and
re-attach each one. Solenoid will have a small gauge (maybe 16 or 18 awg)
wire (maybe red) that provides the circuit from the engine control panel to
the starter; clean that as the battery cables. If still you still have
problem, look at the key/starter button - start by cleaning terminals there,
then check the switch.starter button with a continuity checker for "flaky"
operation.

RayK
S/V Genesis
C 32

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Re: Stus-List 35 MK III leak from Propeller log or strut

[Rob Hamlin via CnC-List]

Most likely keel bolt threads corroded.  Only way they could find good threads 
is by using washers.  Surprised they didn’t suggest a more complete repair.

-Rob

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> On Jul 3, 2020, at 4:14 PM, David Swensen via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wow. Thanks for the pic. I didn't realize it would be bedded that deeply. It 
> is amazing how water will find a way. 
> I was able to tighten and use WaterWeld, as suggested, but unfortunately, the 
> strut was not the major contributing factor to the water intrusion. The aft 
> keel bolt is leaking. It is curious as to why there are 10 stainless washers 
> on that bolt. PO said she had the keel rebed 5 years ago, and that is what 
> they did. Maybe they tightened it too much, and sheared it from the lead 
> keel? I am having it hauled this coming week to have a pro take a look. It 
> may be beyond my pay grade at this point.
> 
> Happy 4th!
> David Swensen
> Freya 35 MK3   
> 
> From: Jim Watts 
> To: 1 CnC List 
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 11:08:37 -0700
> Subject: 
> 
> This may be helpful, it shows how the strut is bedded right into the hull. It 
> took several hours to carefully chip away all the fairing bog. Once it was 
> unearthed, it came off cleanly.
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/25d8P0v.jpg
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List 35 MK III leak from Propeller log or strut

[David Swensen via CnC-List]

Wow. Thanks for the pic. I didn't realize it would be bedded that deeply.
It is amazing how water will find a way.
I was able to tighten and use WaterWeld, as suggested, but unfortunately,
the strut was not the major contributing factor to the water intrusion. The
aft keel bolt is leaking. It is curious as to why there are 10
stainless washers on that bolt. PO said she had the keel rebed 5 years ago,
and that is what they did. Maybe they tightened it too much, and sheared it
from the lead keel? I am having it hauled this coming week to have a pro
take a look. It may be beyond my pay grade at this point.

Happy 4th!
David Swensen
Freya 35 MK3

From: Jim Watts 
To: 1 CnC List 
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 11:08:37 -0700
Subject:

This may be helpful, it shows how the strut is bedded right into the hull.
It took several hours to carefully chip away all the fairing bog. Once it
was unearthed, it came off cleanly.

https://i.imgur.com/25d8P0v.jpg

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

I had the same problem about 5 years ago!

After 40 or so years, it’s usually corrosion on terminals or untined original 
wiring!
Check and clean the ground connection (usually on one of the transmission 
casing bolts on the back of the gearbox).
After all these years, it may be prudent to change out the 
battery/starter/ground main cables. You can buy pre-made cables with ends at 
Canadian Tire (not sure about US, but somewhere like Pep-Boys?)
These won’t be tinned either, but the first set lasted 40 years 路‍♂️

Sam Salter
C 26 Liquorice 
Ghost Lake  Alberta 


On Jul 3, 2020, at 12:22 PM, General Gao via CnC-List  
wrote:


Hi everyone,

I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually rotate. 
I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not turn.

Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter issue? 
Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at?

Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced community.

thank you,

Bo
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Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection

[T Sutton via CnC-List]

I agree, clean the terminals first, it’s worked for me on cars a couple times.  
A lot easier than replacing starter motors if it works.

Tom S

Usually corrosion is the culprit. Clean the terminals on the starter wires. 



  On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 14:22 General Gao via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi everyone,


I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually 
rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not turn.

Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter 
issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at?

Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced 
community.

thank you,

Bo
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Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 Check the battery terminals as well for corrosion and the condition of the 
battery.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL


On Friday, July 3, 2020, 01:50:35 PM CDT, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Is it a Yanmar?  If so, try running a temporary dedicated wire from the "I" 
connection on the ignition switch or the positive side of the starter button to 
the solenoid.  If it starts strongly, make the wire permanent bypassing the 
harness near the engine.
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Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection

[General Gao via CnC-List]

thanks for the kind suggestions.

the engine is a universal 3 cylinder diesel. I will see if I can at least
take a look at the wires.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:50 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Is it a Yanmar?  If so, try running a temporary dedicated wire from the
> "I" connection on the ignition switch or the positive side of the starter
> button to the solenoid.  If it starts strongly, make the wire permanent
> bypassing the harness near the engine.
>
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:22 PM General Gao via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually
>> rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not
>> turn.
>>
>> Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter
>> issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at?
>>
>> Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced
>> community.
>>
>> thank you,
>>
>> Bo
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Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Is it a Yanmar?  If so, try running a temporary dedicated wire from the "I"
connection on the ignition switch or the positive side of the starter
button to the solenoid.  If it starts strongly, make the wire permanent
bypassing the harness near the engine.


-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:22 PM General Gao via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually
> rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not
> turn.
>
> Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter
> issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at?
>
> Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced
> community.
>
> thank you,
>
> Bo
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Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection

[Chris Riedinger via CnC-List]

Hitting electric motors often results in broken magnets inside the motor
and then more problems.

I would pull the starter and have it bench tested. Likely you will find
some crunchy/corroded wiring in the process.
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Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Usually corrosion is the culprit. Clean the terminals on the starter wires.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:31 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Get a second person to help.  While they are attempting to start, you can
> be down below giving the starter a love tap with a heavy implement.  If it
> starts then you probably need to rebuild the starter.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 14:22 General Gao via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually
>> rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not
>> turn.
>>
>> Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter
>> issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at?
>>
>> Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced
>> community.
>>
>> thank you,
>>
>> Bo
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Re: Stus-List starter or wire connection

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Get a second person to help.  While they are attempting to start, you can
be down below giving the starter a love tap with a heavy implement.  If it
starts then you probably need to rebuild the starter.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020, 14:22 General Gao via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually
> rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not
> turn.
>
> Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter
> issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at?
>
> Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced
> community.
>
> thank you,
>
> Bo
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Stus-List starter or wire connection

[General Gao via CnC-List]

Hi everyone,

I usually have to turn the key a few times for the starter to actually
rotate. I can hear the solenoid clicking even when the starter does not
turn.

Would this indicate it is just a wire or connector issue? Or a starter
issue? Or if further investigation needed, what should be looked at?

Just want to see if I can get advice from the much more experienced
community.

thank you,

Bo
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Re: Stus-List A Cooler Enterprise

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Congratulations Edd!

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
 

  
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Re: Stus-List A Cooler Enterprise

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Edd,

Cool.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of detroito91 via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 1:33:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: detroito91 
Subject: Re: Stus-List A Cooler Enterprise

Edd...loved the explanation.
Would have rather you installed in nyc. I could have tested the system out for 
you.
Stay safe
Jim Schwartz
SEA YA!
38 landfall



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 Original message 
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Date: 7/2/20 8:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List A Cooler Enterprise

Listers,

Just want to finally thank everyone for the advice regarding location, settings 
and more for the plan to install air conditioning in the Enterprise.

Aside from a few tweaks, the work was completed yesterday (Stardate 12049.7).

If your curious about the process and how the install looks, please see this:   
http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2020/07/stardate-120497.html

Awesome list! Time to make a Stu donation.

All the best,

Edd

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Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
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Re: Stus-List Backstay adjustment downwind

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Someone will have to teach me how to use it
In any wind conditions

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:54 AM Rob Ball via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> We proved conclusively that the tighter the forestay upwind, the faster
> you go . . . . unfortunately, since at some point you break something or
> the boat . . . . .
>
> Downwind, you can’t get the spinnaker too far forward – in other words,
> the looser the backstay the better – gets the sail out away from the main .
> . . .
>
> Rob BallC 34
>
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