Stus-List Rudder Rebuild on C 25 MK1

[Ian Tubby via CnC-List]

Evening Guys,

New member here. I just bought a C 25 MK1 from an owner who frequented
this mailing list, who told me about this forum. What a great resource! I
searched the archives however and could not find the answer to the
questions I'm about to ask. Here goes.

My transom hung rudder has a serious blister problem not helped by an old
leaky lower gudgeon. This leak was patched by the previous owner with Gflex
however the rudder was not opened for inspection or dried out.

I'm away from the boat for the next week and I'd like to get ahead by
ordering what I need now to fix the rudder when I get back to the boat. I
haven't been able to find any diagrams or pictures of the rudder
construction on the 25 MK1. I've read that there is a piece of plywood
somewhere in the core and other posts that lead me to believe that below
the waterline portion is hollow, and that some have drain holes and some
don't. Does anyone have better information on the construction of this
rudder?

I want to know because if I can safely rebuild the rudder out of some
polyurethane foam I will. I've had experience with this in the past
repairing another rudder damaged by grounding and it turned out extremely
strong and more rot resistant. But this was for a boat with a foam filled
rudder originally, so I don't know if the skeletal structure of the rudder
on the 25's would support this.

Anyone have suggestions on what route to take? It'd be great if someone
having done this could go over what route they took. Or if foam is at all
advisable. I also don't want to upset the balance of the boat if the
original rudder structure with that hollow was an integral part of it.

And I know that I could order a new rudder from South Shore Yachts, but I'm
guessing that's expensive. And ofcourse way less fun.

Many Thanks,

Ian Tubby
1976 C 25 Mk1 "Icicle"
St. Petersburg, FL
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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Anne Tichborne via CnC-List]

Yes! Having torn my rotator cuff pulling anchors. Not retrieving the anchor
quickly enough using our old manual windlass; all the while breaking a boat
pole to fend off a boat dragging into me, middle of the nightI've never
looked back!
I've glassed in the wind lass below deck, I feel best way! Also installed a
cleat aft of the chain/wind lass then always use a snubber system.
Hope this helps
Formerly
C 34
sv Truancy



On Tue., Aug. 18, 2020, 16:47 Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Edd,
>
> Although nothing resembling an engineer or fiberglass expert, I
> constructed a 1/4” G10 shelf with a 4” x 4” box section underneath it and
> glassed the entire unit to the hull sides and the anchor locker bulkhead
> with bracing.
>
> I agree with Tom’s recommendation.
>
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On Aug 18, 2020, at 7:19 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Edd
>
> You really need to glass in a shelf with sufficient strength to withstand
> the torque and pressure exerted when lifting the anchor an chain.  IMO a
> bolted shelf is not going to do it.
>
> Also, keep in mind that the little arm that rests on the chain/rode sticks
> up about 3/4 in.  You'll want  to mount the windlass as high as possible to
> make the chain pull angle as horizontal as possible.  However, if you just
> use the height of the windlass without taking that additional height into
> account you can't close that hatch to the chain locker.  (Do not ask how I
> know that)
>
> You will love it...a decent windlass changes everything.
>
> Tom B
>
> ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
>
>
> At 01:15 PM 8/18/2020, you wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:30:03 -0400
> From: Edd Schillay 
> To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> Subject: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+
> Message-ID: <4c246959-89e2-418f-8c0f-991045bcb...@schillay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Listers,
>
> As you may remember, I?m close to a decision on adding an anchor windlass
> to my 37+ C, and, based on my research, I think this may be the one to go
> with:
>
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 <
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164>
>
> For mounting, I think I?m going to create a hanging shelf inside the
> anchor locker that is attached by several bolts to the starboard and aft
> most lip that the hatch rests upon when closed.
>
> Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log < http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
>
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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Edd,

Although nothing resembling an engineer or fiberglass expert, I constructed a 
1/4” G10 shelf with a 4” x 4” box section underneath it and glassed the entire 
unit to the hull sides and the anchor locker bulkhead with bracing.

I agree with Tom’s recommendation.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 7:19 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Edd
> 
> You really need to glass in a shelf with sufficient strength to withstand the 
> torque and pressure exerted when lifting the anchor an chain.  IMO a bolted 
> shelf is not going to do it.
> 
> Also, keep in mind that the little arm that rests on the chain/rode sticks up 
> about 3/4 in.  You'll want  to mount the windlass as high as possible to make 
> the chain pull angle as horizontal as possible.  However, if you just use the 
> height of the windlass without taking that additional height into account you 
> can't close that hatch to the chain locker.  (Do not ask how I know that)
> 
> You will love it...a decent windlass changes everything.
> 
> Tom B
> 
> ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com  
> 
> 
> 
> At 01:15 PM 8/18/2020, you wrote:
> 
> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:30:03 -0400
>> From: Edd Schillay 
>> To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>> Subject: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+
>> Message-ID: <4c246959-89e2-418f-8c0f-991045bcb...@schillay.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> As you may remember, I?m close to a decision on adding an anchor windlass to 
>> my 37+ C, and, based on my research, I think this may be the one to go 
>> with:
>> 
>> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 
>>  < 
>> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 
>> > 
>> 
>> For mounting, I think I?m going to create a hanging shelf inside the anchor 
>> locker that is attached by several bolts to the starboard and aft most lip 
>> that the hatch rests upon when closed. 
>> 
>> Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?  
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> 
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>> 
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log < http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ 
>> >
>> 
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Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Edd

You really need to glass in a shelf with 
sufficient strength to withstand the torque and 
pressure exerted when lifting the anchor an 
chain.  IMO a bolted shelf is not going to do it.


Also, keep in mind that the little arm that rests 
on the chain/rode sticks up about 3/4 in.  You'll 
want  to mount the windlass as high as possible 
to make the chain pull angle as horizontal as 
possible.  However, if you just use the height of 
the windlass without taking that additional 
height into account you can't close that hatch to 
the chain locker.  (Do not ask how I know that)


You will love it...a decent windlass changes everything.

Tom B


¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



At 01:15 PM 8/18/2020, you wrote:


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:30:03 -0400
From: Edd Schillay 
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Subject: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+
Message-ID: <4c246959-89e2-418f-8c0f-991045bcb...@schillay.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Listers,

As you may remember, I?m close to a decision on 
adding an anchor windlass to my 37+ C, and, 
based on my research, I think this may be the one to go with:


https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 



For mounting, I think I?m going to create a 
hanging shelf inside the anchor locker that is 
attached by several bolts to the starboard and 
aft most lip that the hatch rests upon when closed.


Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 



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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Edd,

Mounted my Lewmar horizontal windlass on a custom structural ledge underneath 
the hatch cover. Chain drop into the deepest section of the anchor locker, FWIW.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> As you may remember, I’m close to a decision on adding an anchor windlass to 
> my 37+ C, and, based on my research, I think this may be the one to go with:
> 
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 
>  
> 
> For mounting, I think I’m going to create a hanging shelf inside the anchor 
> locker that is attached by several bolts to the starboard and aft most lip 
> that the hatch rests upon when closed. 
> 
> Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?  
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Chris Riedinger via CnC-List]

After seeing a 37 come into the yard I work at, I am more firmly in the
camp that the windlass should be mounted sub-deck.

This boat had the windlass mounted forward of the hatch, which provides the
ultimate in lack of drop for the chain fall, whoever thought this was a
good idea ever considered this.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 11:30 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> As you may remember, I’m close to a decision on adding an anchor windlass
> to my 37+ C, and, based on my research, I think this may be the one to go
> with:
>
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164
>
> For mounting, I think I’m going to create a hanging shelf inside the
> anchor locker that is attached by several bolts to the starboard and aft
> most lip that the hatch rests upon when closed.
>
> Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Northeast 39

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

I have a Mars modified bulb keel on my 37. They chopped it off to 5’6  which 
still can be tight around here in the Pamlico sound.
Nothing to really compare it to upwind except the people behind me! so little 
hard to tell ;) 

John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


> On Aug 18, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> One of the guys who used to co-own a boat yard here in St. Michaels had a
> deep draft ex-racing boat and converted it for cruising. Chopped the extra
> keel off with a chain saw, and had Mars Metal take the lead and mold a wing
> keel (in halves) and bolted it on, faired it in and used it for a number of
> years. It sold.
> 
> Gary
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:31 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joe Della Barba 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Northeast 39
> 
> Be cool if the keel was the same as a 40 or 41 at the top, just stick a K/CB
> keel on and save the deep keel for racing ;)
> 
> Joe
> 
> Coquina
> 
> 
>> On 8/18/2020 2:26 PM, Rob Ball via CnC-List wrote:
>> The project was a limited run boat from the Custom Shop - built by
> Bruckmann.  Not intended as a comfy cruising boat obviously . . . The market
> was intended for Long Island Sound and try to come up with something to
> appeal to C 40 owners looking for something uptick . . . .
>> Clearly much more carefully built, and one could add skylights now, but to
> get reasonable draft obviously a keel job is in order  . . . .
>> But it's always a shame to remove the engine from a Ferrari and put in a
> Chevy replacement . . .
>> 
>> Rob Ball
>> C 34 Escapade
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Wincher's size for C 34

[Daniel via CnC-List]

Interesting. My 30 mk1 has 26 mains and 22 abaft the mains interested what 
responses come back as I’ve considered some of those as well.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 17:40, Dean McNeill via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Just bought a C 34 with Barient #25 two speed winches, but not 
> self-tailing. Wondering if anyone knows the size I should order to add the 
> rubber “Winchers” to make them sort-of self-tailing? Or can someone measure 
> the barrel diameter of same winches if you have them…. My new boat is a 4 
> hour drive away at the moment.
> 
> Thanks! Dean

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Re: Stus-List Northeast 39

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

One of the guys who used to co-own a boat yard here in St. Michaels had a
deep draft ex-racing boat and converted it for cruising. Chopped the extra
keel off with a chain saw, and had Mars Metal take the lead and mold a wing
keel (in halves) and bolted it on, faired it in and used it for a number of
years. It sold.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Northeast 39

Be cool if the keel was the same as a 40 or 41 at the top, just stick a K/CB
keel on and save the deep keel for racing ;)

Joe

Coquina


On 8/18/2020 2:26 PM, Rob Ball via CnC-List wrote:
> The project was a limited run boat from the Custom Shop - built by
Bruckmann.  Not intended as a comfy cruising boat obviously . . . The market
was intended for Long Island Sound and try to come up with something to
appeal to C 40 owners looking for something uptick . . . .
> Clearly much more carefully built, and one could add skylights now, but to
get reasonable draft obviously a keel job is in order  . . . .
> But it's always a shame to remove the engine from a Ferrari and put in a
Chevy replacement . . .
>
> Rob Ball
> C 34 Escapade
>
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Stus-List Wincher's size for C 34

[Dean McNeill via CnC-List]

Just bought a C 34 with Barient #25 two speed winches, but not self-tailing. 
Wondering if anyone knows the size I should order to add the rubber “Winchers” 
to make them sort-of self-tailing? Or can someone measure the barrel diameter 
of same winches if you have them…. My new boat is a 4 hour drive away at the 
moment.

Thanks! Dean

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Re: Stus-List Northeast 39

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

You can probably get a good trade in with the old keel at Mars Keel in 
Burlington . . . .

Rob Ball
C 34  Escapade

-Original Message-
From: Joe Della Barba  
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Northeast 39

Be cool if the keel was the same as a 40 or 41 at the top, just stick a K/CB 
keel on and save the deep keel for racing ;)

Joe


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Re: Stus-List Northeast 39

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

What Rob said. I’ll take as much keel as I can. I run with 6’ 8” on my 37. I 
just stay out of the shallow places.

Of course, that’s easily said in my case. I have nine and a half feet at my 
dock. At low tide…

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Rob Ball via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The project was a limited run boat from the Custom Shop - built by Bruckmann. 
>  Not intended as a comfy cruising boat obviously . . . The market was 
> intended for Long Island Sound and try to come up with something to appeal to 
> C 40 owners looking for something uptick . . . .
> Clearly much more carefully built, and one could add skylights now, but to 
> get reasonable draft obviously a keel job is in order  . . . .
> But it's always a shame to remove the engine from a Ferrari and put in a 
> Chevy replacement . . .
> 
> Rob Ball
> C 34 Escapade
> 
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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

On second thought, I will retract that.

I should have known better than to get into it with Chuck. There just isn’t 
much to see below that brace, but I don’t actually see a shaft, I have to say.

Sorry Joe. I tried to fix it for you.

 

Bill Coleman

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
Gotthardt via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Gotthardt
Subject: Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

 

Isn't that picture facing aft?

 

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Au Contraire, Mon Frère, on the last picture there seems to be a straight
tranny poking out of the Bell Housing.
But, it is Volvo Green . . . .


Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie, PA



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 12:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

I love the look of the boat from the outside and it is likely a V-drive, not
a sail drive and yes, they are expensive to replace if original.
One of the reasons this boat wouldn't appeal to me, especially as a cruiser
is how dark it is down below.  While the narrow sleek looking windows on the
coach roof look wicked fast, they really don't allow much light, especially
forward of the galley.  Not a big deal if you're a racer guy who only sends
someone down below to haul in the spinnaker, but we all know that most boat
purchases get a thumbs up or thumbs down by the "co-sailor" that tries to
make a boat interior look inhabitable.  This boat looks more like a nicely
appointed dungeon than an inviting place to spend a few weeks.
I  compare how bright my Landfall 35 is to this interior and it is no
contest.
Perhaps some nice images with soft warm lighting down below would help this
boat find a new home..
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA




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Re: Stus-List Northeast 39

[David Risch via CnC-List]

My 7'6" keel is an issue maybe 2% of my cruising time.  

So I can't go into a couple of harbors in New England...so what.  The draft is 
well worth the freight-train upwind performance when I want and/or need it.

Thank you Rob. 

1981 40-2  (no uptick needed.  Thank you very much)

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Rob Ball via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rob Ball 
Subject: Stus-List Northeast 39

The project was a limited run boat from the Custom Shop - built by Bruckmann.  
Not intended as a comfy cruising boat obviously . . . The market was intended 
for Long Island Sound and try to come up with something to appeal to C 40 
owners looking for something uptick . . . .
Clearly much more carefully built, and one could add skylights now, but to get 
reasonable draft obviously a keel job is in order  . . . .
But it's always a shame to remove the engine from a Ferrari and put in a Chevy 
replacement . . .

Rob Ball
C 34 Escapade

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[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Be cool if the keel was the same as a 40 or 41 at the top, just stick a 
K/CB keel on and save the deep keel for racing ;)


Joe

Coquina


On 8/18/2020 2:26 PM, Rob Ball via CnC-List wrote:

The project was a limited run boat from the Custom Shop - built by Bruckmann.  Not 
intended as a comfy cruising boat obviously . . . The market was intended for Long 
Island Sound and try to come up with something to appeal to C 40 owners 
looking for something uptick . . . .
Clearly much more carefully built, and one could add skylights now, but to get 
reasonable draft obviously a keel job is in order  . . . .
But it's always a shame to remove the engine from a Ferrari and put in a Chevy 
replacement . . .

Rob Ball
C 34 Escapade

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Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

As you may remember, I’m close to a decision on adding an anchor windlass to my 
37+ C, and, based on my research, I think this may be the one to go with:

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 
 

For mounting, I think I’m going to create a hanging shelf inside the anchor 
locker that is attached by several bolts to the starboard and aft most lip that 
the hatch rests upon when closed. 

Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?  

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











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Stus-List Northeast 39

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

The project was a limited run boat from the Custom Shop - built by Bruckmann.  
Not intended as a comfy cruising boat obviously . . . The market was intended 
for Long Island Sound and try to come up with something to appeal to C 40 
owners looking for something uptick . . . .
Clearly much more carefully built, and one could add skylights now, but to get 
reasonable draft obviously a keel job is in order  . . . .
But it's always a shame to remove the engine from a Ferrari and put in a Chevy 
replacement . . .

Rob Ball
C 34 Escapade

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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Richard Gotthardt via CnC-List]

Isn't that picture facing aft?

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:16 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Au Contraire, Mon Frère, on the last picture there seems to be a straight
> tranny poking out of the Bell Housing.
> But, it is Volvo Green . . . .
>
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Gilchrest via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 12:51 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?
>
> I love the look of the boat from the outside and it is likely a V-drive,
> not
> a sail drive and yes, they are expensive to replace if original.
> One of the reasons this boat wouldn't appeal to me, especially as a cruiser
> is how dark it is down below.  While the narrow sleek looking windows on
> the
> coach roof look wicked fast, they really don't allow much light, especially
> forward of the galley.  Not a big deal if you're a racer guy who only sends
> someone down below to haul in the spinnaker, but we all know that most boat
> purchases get a thumbs up or thumbs down by the "co-sailor" that tries to
> make a boat interior look inhabitable.  This boat looks more like a nicely
> appointed dungeon than an inviting place to spend a few weeks.
> I  compare how bright my Landfall 35 is to this interior and it is no
> contest.
> Perhaps some nice images with soft warm lighting down below would help this
> boat find a new home..
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 Landfall 35
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Au Contraire, Mon Frère, on the last picture there seems to be a straight
tranny poking out of the Bell Housing.
But, it is Volvo Green . . . .


Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie, PA



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 12:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

I love the look of the boat from the outside and it is likely a V-drive, not
a sail drive and yes, they are expensive to replace if original.
One of the reasons this boat wouldn't appeal to me, especially as a cruiser
is how dark it is down below.  While the narrow sleek looking windows on the
coach roof look wicked fast, they really don't allow much light, especially
forward of the galley.  Not a big deal if you're a racer guy who only sends
someone down below to haul in the spinnaker, but we all know that most boat
purchases get a thumbs up or thumbs down by the "co-sailor" that tries to
make a boat interior look inhabitable.  This boat looks more like a nicely
appointed dungeon than an inviting place to spend a few weeks.
I  compare how bright my Landfall 35 is to this interior and it is no
contest.
Perhaps some nice images with soft warm lighting down below would help this
boat find a new home..
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA




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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

I love the look of the boat from the outside and it is likely a V-drive, not
a sail drive and yes, they are expensive to replace if original.
One of the reasons this boat wouldn't appeal to me, especially as a cruiser
is how dark it is down below.  While the narrow sleek looking windows on the
coach roof look wicked fast, they really don't allow much light, especially
forward of the galley.  Not a big deal if you're a racer guy who only sends
someone down below to haul in the spinnaker, but we all know that most boat
purchases get a thumbs up or thumbs down by the "co-sailor" that tries to
make a boat interior look inhabitable.  This boat looks more like a nicely
appointed dungeon than an inviting place to spend a few weeks.
I  compare how bright my Landfall 35 is to this interior and it is no
contest.
Perhaps some nice images with soft warm lighting down below would help this
boat find a new home..
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA

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From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/c-c-39-northeast-3607801/

This boat seems to be much better built than the average C or any other
boat. I would buy this boat myself except for two things:

1. I would need to saw off about 3 feet from the keel, which could possibly
make the boat not quite as stable. 6 foot draft would be aground in my slip
at dead low tide as it is and there are times I can't get out with 5.5 foot
draft now.

2. Original Volvo Saildrive has to be about 99% of the way to replacement at
this point.

Joe

Coquina




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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

For $30K under asking I’m in and and the chainsaw is ready!
Joe

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey 
Brideau via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 11:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeffrey Brideau 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

A pretty boat, but about $30k over-priced is my guess. We are under contract 
for an 86 Hunter 40 in excellent shape (our surveyor's words) for $23k closing 
Friday (fingers crossed). Having someone with access to the Soldboats.com 
database is vital in used boat shopping/selling.

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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

I do too! I do! Honest!

/opens mouth and inserts foot/

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why not Jade Mist Green?
> I think it is beautiful !
>  
>  
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:52 AM
> To: C List
> Cc: Dave Godwin
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?
>  
> Harry Hallgring. After seeing his boat and talking to him at NEB, I decided 
> NOT to paint my hull Jade Mist Green. ;-)
>  
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> 
> 
> On Aug 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>  
> I know that boat. It is in fabulous shape. The owner works at the boatyard. 
> Hell of a nice guy too. I think he’s here on the list occasionally.
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
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[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Why not Jade Mist Green?

I think it is beautiful !

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:52 AM
To: C List
Cc: Dave Godwin
Subject: Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

 

Harry Hallgring. After seeing his boat and talking to him at NEB, I decided NOT 
to paint my hull Jade Mist Green. ;-)

 

Regards,

Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

Ronin’s Overdue Refit  





On Aug 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 

I know that boat. It is in fabulous shape. The owner works at the boatyard. 
Hell of a nice guy too. I think he’s here on the list occasionally.
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

 

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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

You all are correct - not a saildrive.

That solves half the issue, but the keel-sawing would still be needed.I 
know someone who did that to a C 40. The sawing off part was free, he 
already had a chainsaw, but buying the bulb to bolt on was not free. At 
least back in the day the cost could be recovered at resale, NO ONE 
wants a boat that draws over 6 feet here or anywhere south if they have 
ANY other use for the boat but racing. Absent the keel-ectomy I would be 
on my mooring forever, no access to my slip.


I like this part:

Aluminum structural grid with longitudinal and athwartship members. Deep 
keel sump. "Belt and Braces" keel attachment with oversize stainless 
steel bolts and "S" glass swarthing of the sump/keel joint. The hull is 
Baltek cored for stiffnes and impact resistance. The hull-deck joint is 
fastened with adhesive and stainless bolts, then glassed over for a 
truly monocoque construction. Leaks are impossible. The deck is Baltek 
cored except for solid glass in areas of structural penetration. All 
bulkheads are glassed 360 degrees to hull and deck. The joinery is 
likewise glassed to adjacent hull or deck members. The mast-step is an 
integral part of the central structural grid. Petit Vivid white bottom 
paint with epoxy barrier coat.


Joe - Coquina

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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Always liked that Northeast 39 deck design.  Nice sexy lines like a Baltic 38.  
 Sailboatdata lists the draft at 7.5 feet and she has runners which intimidates 
some people.   I think the 34plus has a better interior layout and is probably 
in the same price range. 

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R Pasadena Md

> On 08/18/2020 10:52 AM Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Harry Hallgring. After seeing his boat and talking to him at NEB, I 
> decided NOT to paint my hull Jade Mist Green. ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> > > On Aug 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> < cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > I know that boat. It is in fabulous shape. The owner works at the 
> > boatyard. Hell of a nice guy too. I think he’s here on the list 
> > occasionally.
> > Andy
> > 
> > Andrew Burton
> > 26 Beacon Hill
> > Newport, RI
> > USA02840
> > 
> > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> > 
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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

I would be a buyer after what I’m putting in my boat
But don’t have that kind of money

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 10:33 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/c-c-39-northeast-3607801/
>
> This boat seems to be much better built than the average C or any
> other boat. I would buy this boat myself except for two things:
>
> 1. I would need to saw off about 3 feet from the keel, which could
> possibly make the boat not quite as stable. 6 foot draft would be
> aground in my slip at dead low tide as it is and there are times I can't
> get out with 5.5 foot draft now.
>
> 2. Original Volvo Saildrive has to be about 99% of the way to
> replacement at this point.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Joe

I don't see a Volvo sail drive on this boat. The photos indicate a shaft
and strut.

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
S/V HONEY - US12788 (1974 C 39TM)
Savannah, GA USA

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On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:03 AM Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A pretty boat, but about $30k over-priced is my guess. We are under
> contract for an 86 Hunter 40 in excellent shape (our surveyor's words) for
> $23k closing Friday (fingers crossed). Having someone with access to the
> Soldboats.com database is vital in used boat shopping/selling.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 10:33 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/c-c-39-northeast-3607801/
>>
>> This boat seems to be much better built than the average C or any
>> other boat. I would buy this boat myself except for two things:
>>
>> 1. I would need to saw off about 3 feet from the keel, which could
>> possibly make the boat not quite as stable. 6 foot draft would be
>> aground in my slip at dead low tide as it is and there are times I can't
>> get out with 5.5 foot draft now.
>>
>> 2. Original Volvo Saildrive has to be about 99% of the way to
>> replacement at this point.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List]

A pretty boat, but about $30k over-priced is my guess. We are under
contract for an 86 Hunter 40 in excellent shape (our surveyor's words) for
$23k closing Friday (fingers crossed). Having someone with access to the
Soldboats.com database is vital in used boat shopping/selling.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 10:33 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/c-c-39-northeast-3607801/
>
> This boat seems to be much better built than the average C or any
> other boat. I would buy this boat myself except for two things:
>
> 1. I would need to saw off about 3 feet from the keel, which could
> possibly make the boat not quite as stable. 6 foot draft would be
> aground in my slip at dead low tide as it is and there are times I can't
> get out with 5.5 foot draft now.
>
> 2. Original Volvo Saildrive has to be about 99% of the way to
> replacement at this point.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Another reason is likely that the ICW and most of the Southeastern coast is 
off-limits to an 8 ft. draft.
Another is a 35 year old engine. 
Changing out either (let alone both) would likely cost 25% of the asking 
price--50% for both!
Charlie Nelson1995 C 36 XL/kcbWater PhantomNew Bern, NC


-Original Message-
From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
To: C List 
Cc: Dave Godwin 
Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2020 10:47 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

Well, I’m very, very partial to the color scheme so that’s a plus.  ;-)
But to maybe to try and answer the question, almost no-one is buying sailboats 
these days. Especially 35-year old used boats in the $50,000 range. Everyone is 
pandemic-buying motorboats, primarily in the 20 to 30 foot 
center-console/run-about genre. I could probably sell my old 1988 Mako 261 for 
over half the value of the Northeast.
Example: I started looking at True North 38’s recently. There was a 2006 
modferl in Florida with a weird add-on flybridge that languished on the market 
for over a year. It just got snapped up at some price probably around the 
$139,900 asking price.
As we all know, all you “need” to master when owning a powerboat is how to turn 
it on and steer. :-0
Regards,Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake BayRonin’s Overdue Refit

On Aug 18, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
 wrote:
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/c-c-39-northeast-3607801/

This boat seems to be much better built than the average C or any other boat. 
I would buy this boat myself except for two things:

1. I would need to saw off about 3 feet from the keel, which could possibly 
make the boat not quite as stable. 6 foot draft would be aground in my slip at 
dead low tide as it is and there are times I can't get out with 5.5 foot draft 
now.

2. Original Volvo Saildrive has to be about 99% of the way to replacement at 
this point.

Joe

Coquina




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[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Harry Hallgring. After seeing his boat and talking to him at NEB, I decided NOT 
to paint my hull Jade Mist Green. ;-)

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know that boat. It is in fabulous shape. The owner works at the boatyard. 
> Hell of a nice guy too. I think he’s here on the list occasionally.
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Matthew via CnC-List]

She's a beauty.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/c-c-39-northeast-3607801/

This boat seems to be much better built than the average C or any other
boat. I would buy this boat myself except for two things:

1. I would need to saw off about 3 feet from the keel, which could possibly
make the boat not quite as stable. 6 foot draft would be aground in my slip
at dead low tide as it is and there are times I can't get out with 5.5 foot
draft now.

2. Original Volvo Saildrive has to be about 99% of the way to replacement at
this point.

Joe

Coquina




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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Well, I’m very, very partial to the color scheme so that’s a plus.  ;-)

But to maybe to try and answer the question, almost no-one is buying sailboats 
these days. Especially 35-year old used boats in the $50,000 range. Everyone is 
pandemic-buying motorboats, primarily in the 20 to 30 foot 
center-console/run-about genre. I could probably sell my old 1988 Mako 261 for 
over half the value of the Northeast.

Example: I started looking at True North 38’s recently. There was a 2006 
modferl in Florida with a weird add-on flybridge that languished on the market 
for over a year. It just got snapped up at some price probably around the 
$139,900 asking price.

As we all know, all you “need” to master when owning a powerboat is how to turn 
it on and steer. :-0

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/c-c-39-northeast-3607801/
> 
> This boat seems to be much better built than the average C or any other 
> boat. I would buy this boat myself except for two things:
> 
> 1. I would need to saw off about 3 feet from the keel, which could possibly 
> make the boat not quite as stable. 6 foot draft would be aground in my slip 
> at dead low tide as it is and there are times I can't get out with 5.5 foot 
> draft now.
> 
> 2. Original Volvo Saildrive has to be about 99% of the way to replacement at 
> this point.
> 
> Joe
> 
> Coquina
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I know that boat. It is in fabulous shape. The owner works at the boatyard. 
Hell of a nice guy too. I think he’s here on the list occasionally.
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 10:32, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/c-c-39-northeast-3607801/
> 
> This boat seems to be much better built than the average C or any other 
> boat. I would buy this boat myself except for two things:
> 
> 1. I would need to saw off about 3 feet from the keel, which could possibly 
> make the boat not quite as stable. 6 foot draft would be aground in my slip 
> at dead low tide as it is and there are times I can't get out with 5.5 foot 
> draft now.
> 
> 2. Original Volvo Saildrive has to be about 99% of the way to replacement at 
> this point.
> 
> Joe
> 
> Coquina
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Why isn't this boat selling?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1985/c-c-39-northeast-3607801/

This boat seems to be much better built than the average C or any 
other boat. I would buy this boat myself except for two things:


1. I would need to saw off about 3 feet from the keel, which could 
possibly make the boat not quite as stable. 6 foot draft would be 
aground in my slip at dead low tide as it is and there are times I can't 
get out with 5.5 foot draft now.


2. Original Volvo Saildrive has to be about 99% of the way to 
replacement at this point.


Joe

Coquina




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