Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Imzadi was insured with Progressive for 3 years. Then they would not renew the 
policy. They explained that their coverage standards were limited to boats 
under 35 feet. To which I took exception because they knew it was 38 feet when 
they wrote the insurance policy and renewed it during the 2 successive years.
 
Guess their software used for quoting new business has been improved.
 
Rick Brass
 Imzadi
C 38 #47
Washington, NC
-Original Message-
From: Stus-List 
Sent: Jun 26, 2022 6:28 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Brian Davis 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?
 
Thanks, Randy. I actually just checked online with Progressive and they 
rejected my quote request with this error message:  "vessel > 35 feet in length 
are unacceptable".  What the heck? Lol

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 6:16 PM randal johnston via CnC-List  wrote:
 ^

What he said. Was also with BoatUS forever, til they changed to Geico 
underwriting, then premiums went thru roof. Now with Progressive. Whichever way 
you go, if you’re racing, make sure you’re covered. Keep liability up there. 

randy
Tamanawas
29-II
Hood River, OR

> 

 

Stus-List Re: C owners need information

[Dan via CnC-List]

Don,

I highly doubt  that my boat is Hull #1. The first 3 C 's were
completely stripped down racers with 8' keels - one of them took home the
Bermuda Cup I think which was one of the selling points I believe.
Breakaweigh has a late model wide wing keel and comfortable cruising boat
interior straight out of the RI factory just like the other 44's built at
the same time. Not sure what's going on with the "001"

Dan Cormier
C Breakaweigh
Halifax, NS / Florida

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 10:19 PM Don Kern  wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Your boat was registered in the US as *Rainbow *with a USCG registration
> number of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru Dec 2001.
>
> Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN that indicates it is
> also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485).*  Indigo*, a Canadian vessel was in US
> waters (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.
> Don Kern
> *Fireball*, C Mk-2
> Bristol, RI
>
>
> On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the manufacturing
> location.
> Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
> My hull number is:
> ZCC44001H586
>
> When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 but
> not where it was made.
>
> Thanks so much!
> Dan
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have run
>> into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the apparent
>> use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the problems with
>> the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the impression that the LF
>> 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN
>> - CCY), but have run into exceptions.
>>
>> Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38 Mk-2
>> was built?
>> Don Kern
>> Fireball, C Mk-2
>> Bristol, RI
>>
>>
>> On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory
>> closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files
>> including something called a "build file".
>> This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.
>> They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
>> I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and details
>> the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework of the
>> floor because of "flexing"?
>> I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to the
>> Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some
>> listers have had positive corresoondence with them).
>> Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
>> Good luck
>> Ron C.
>> Impromptu
>> C 38MKII, #125, '77
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records
>> showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in
>> Rhode Island? Any kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an
>> original receipt or even contact info for someone who has archives from
>> when the factories closed down? (I know that's a long shot)
>>
>> Thanks so much!
>>
>> Dan Cormier
>> C Breakaweigh
>> Halifax NS / Florida
>>
>>
>>
>>

Stus-List Dockage in Mystic

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

Listers,

 

For anyone visiting New England this summer and needs dockage or a mooring 
please let me know. Our club, Ram Island Yacht Club in Noank, CT does accept 
visiting yachts. It is mile or so dinghy ride to downtown and a little further 
to Mystic Seaport. I am the dockmaster, so I keep the schedule for anyone that 
is visiting.

 

Thanks,

 

John McCrea

RIYC Dockmaster

Talisman

1979 36-1

 

 

From: Don Kern via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 2:09 PM
To: David Risch via CnC-List 
Cc: Don Kern 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

 

David,

You may consider coming up to Bristol for the 4th of July parade.  It is a big 
deal in RI.  The harbor will be crowded early from the fireworks the night 
before and will be impossible to travel by car. 

Have a good time in New England.

Don Kern
Fireball, C 35 Mk2
Bristol, RI

On 6/27/2022 10:22 AM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote:

Hello,

 

We are back in New England and will be aboard Corsair playing through the end 
of July.  The boat, will then sit idle through October.  Seems a bit crazy to 
just have it sit there, especially when I am hearing (and seeing) charter rates 
of $4,000 a week?!

 

Besides the usual concerns (insurance strangers aboard your boat etc.) anybody 
have experience with a long term or short term charter of your own boat and 
could impart some perspective and reality check.

 

As always, thanks in advance.

 

David F. Risch

Managing Director

Great Benefits USA

401-419-4650 - Direct Line

  

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

David,

You may consider coming up to Bristol for the 4th of July parade. It is 
a big deal in RI.  The harbor will be crowded early from the fireworks 
the night before and will be impossible to travel by car.


Have a good time in New England.

Don Kern
/Fireball/, C 35 Mk2
Bristol, RI

On 6/27/2022 10:22 AM, David Risch via CnC-List wrote:


Hello,

We are back in New England and will be aboard Corsair playing through 
the end of July.  The boat, will then sit idle through October.  Seems 
a bit crazy to just have it sit there, especially when I am hearing 
(and seeing) charter rates of $4,000 a week?!


Besides the usual concerns (insurance strangers aboard your boat etc.) 
anybody have experience with a long term or short term charter of your 
own boat and could impart some perspective and reality check.


As always, thanks in advance.

David F. Risch

Managing Director

Great Benefits USA

401-419-4650 - Direct Line

www.greatbenefitsusa.com 



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Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Is the prop clean?

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From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 5:58:50 AM
To: Josh ; Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

Josh:

Revived the engine at the slip out of gear (neutral)same result, tack goes 
up to +2,100  RPM's .providing more throttle does not increase the RPM's.   
Pretty sure the tack is working just from the sound of the engine and maximum 
hull speed it could attain (maybe 4 knots)

Yes, getting black smoke especially just after starting the engine and reviving 
it a bitthen it stops.

Boat can not motor up to hull speed right now at 2,100 RPM's.

All good tips and very helpful however I am leaving it in the hands of the 
marine mechanic.  I asked him to address this problem and give the engine a 
thorough inspection.  He said he would get to it today.fingers crossed.

Rob

On 2022-06-26 11:50 p.m., Josh wrote:
You should also try to rev the engine with it out of gear.  If it has the same 
problem of reaching full RPM then fuel and air delivery are nearly to only 
possible culprits.

A bad or weak governor spring would be indicated by an engine that has a 
tendency to over speed or hunt.  Pulling the throttle faster applies pressure 
to open the fuel rack and provide more fuel.  More fuel create more RPM and the 
governor the creates a feedback force that resists the fuel rack.  The governor 
tries to slow the engine whereas the throttle tries to speed it up.  Without 
the governor the engine will tend to race, have high RPM, limited throttle 
control, and is lively to overspreed.

When you get to 2100 RPM do you get heave black smoke?  If you do the engine is 
getting plenty of fuel but not enough air.  Have you checked or simply removed 
the air cleaner?  When was the last time the backlash was checked on the 
lifters.  I can walk you through it if you don't know.

If you're not getting black smoke, are you getting any change in smoke?

Are you getting a correlating loss of power or stumbling?  Or is it just not 
going faster?  Was it not able to push the boat at normal full speed.  Are you 
confident in the accuracy of the RPM gage.  You can get a laser tach from 
Amazon for less than $20 to confirm the RPM.

As the high pressure fuel pump and fuel injectors age they have springs that 
get weak.  Weak pump springs will allow the tappets to "float" and not achieve 
a full intake stroke of fuelcausing a low fuel condition resulting in lower 
RPM.  If the injectors are dirty or have weak springs they won't achieve full 
fuel pressure before injection and may even leak a small amount into the 
cylinder before TDC.  This is probably good more likely to cause detonation 
(ping or knock), not exacly low RPM but none the less is sub optimum operation.

Have you checked the oil for fuel dilution?  The fuel lift pump is driven off a 
cam and if the diaphragm cracks or tears it will leak fuel into the crank case. 
 This may also let crankcase pressure into the high pressure fuel 
pump...reducing fuel delivery and RPM.  Pull the dip stick, drop some oil on a 
paper towel.  Smell it for diesel smell.  Wait and observe for a halo.  
Especially if you have red diesel the halo is seen as the clearish red halo 
around the black oil spot.

If all of that checks.  Then you need to get a little more invasive.  A 
compression check is in order.  I can walk you through it and provide 
parts(tools).  It is definitely doable as DIY but you got some investigation to 
do first.  Let me know.  Reach out with a PM and we can talk.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
:

Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so.

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Long ago we chartered Coquina a few times and quickly discovered no one treats 
your boat like you do. I went to Maine to look at a C 40 I was thinking of 
buying that had been in charter service. It was pretty obvious one charterer 
hit a rock at full speed, at least here we have only mud.
The same lesson gets learned at the airport too, don't put your pride and joy 
on the rental line, you won't be happy with how your plane gets treated. Rental 
boats/cars/houses/horses/etc. are a business and need to be looked at that way, 
your property will get used hard and you need to budget for that.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: David Risch via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 10:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

Hello,

We are back in New England and will be aboard Corsair playing through the end 
of July.  The boat, will then sit idle through October.  Seems a bit crazy to 
just have it sit there, especially when I am hearing (and seeing) charter rates 
of $4,000 a week?!

Besides the usual concerns (insurance strangers aboard your boat etc.) anybody 
have experience with a long term or short term charter of your own boat and 
could impart some perspective and reality check.

As always, thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
Managing Director
Great Benefits USA
401-419-4650 - Direct Line
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Stus-List Re: Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

[David Risch via CnC-List]

John,

Thanks for the info...

I believe you are giving me praise for Andy Burton's NPT- BMD success.

But thanks anyway!

From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 11:06 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

Hi David

I used to charter my 34 but only through direct referrals and check out of the 
applicant.  One week charters 2 or 3 times a summer.  Had to stop as the 
insurer would no longer allow on a casual basis.  Checked around and found 
similar policies.  Would have required a commercial policy at huge increase in 
premium to make it non viable.  Stopped chartering.  This was all about 10 
years ago so do not know current insurance requirements.  One avenue might be 
to charter through an agency.  I recall there are a few in Newport.

BTW, congratulations on your Bermuda success

John Read
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT

From: David Risch via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 10:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch
Subject: Stus-List Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

Hello,

We are back in New England and will be aboard Corsair playing through the end 
of July.  The boat, will then sit idle through October.  Seems a bit crazy to 
just have it sit there, especially when I am hearing (and seeing) charter rates 
of $4,000 a week?!

Besides the usual concerns (insurance strangers aboard your boat etc.) anybody 
have experience with a long term or short term charter of your own boat and 
could impart some perspective and reality check.

As always, thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
Managing Director
Great Benefits USA
401-419-4650 - Direct Line
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www.greatbenefitsusa.com

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Stus-List Re: Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

[John Read via CnC-List]

Hi David

 

I used to charter my 34 but only through direct referrals and check out of
the applicant.  One week charters 2 or 3 times a summer.  Had to stop as the
insurer would no longer allow on a casual basis.  Checked around and found
similar policies.  Would have required a commercial policy at huge increase
in premium to make it non viable.  Stopped chartering.  This was all about
10 years ago so do not know current insurance requirements.  One avenue
might be to charter through an agency.  I recall there are a few in Newport.

 

BTW, congratulations on your Bermuda success

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: David Risch via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 10:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch
Subject: Stus-List Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

 

Hello,

 

We are back in New England and will be aboard Corsair playing through the
end of July.  The boat, will then sit idle through October.  Seems a bit
crazy to just have it sit there, especially when I am hearing (and seeing)
charter rates of $4,000 a week?!

 

Besides the usual concerns (insurance strangers aboard your boat etc.)
anybody have experience with a long term or short term charter of your own
boat and could impart some perspective and reality check.

 

As always, thanks in advance.

 

David F. Risch

Managing Director

Great Benefits USA

401-419-4650 - Direct Line

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Stus-List Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Hello,

We are back in New England and will be aboard Corsair playing through the end 
of July.  The boat, will then sit idle through October.  Seems a bit crazy to 
just have it sit there, especially when I am hearing (and seeing) charter rates 
of $4,000 a week?!

Besides the usual concerns (insurance strangers aboard your boat etc.) anybody 
have experience with a long term or short term charter of your own boat and 
could impart some perspective and reality check.

As always, thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
Managing Director
Great Benefits USA
401-419-4650 - Direct Line
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Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Josh:

Revived the engine at the slip out of gear (neutral)same result, 
tack goes up to +2,100  RPM's .providing more throttle does not 
increase the RPM's.   Pretty sure the tack is working just from the 
sound of the engine and maximum hull speed it could attain (maybe 4 knots)


Yes, getting black smoke especially just after starting the engine and 
reviving it a bitthen it stops.


Boat can not motor up to hull speed right now at 2,100 RPM's.

All good tips and very helpful however I am leaving it in the hands of 
the marine mechanic.  I asked him to address this problem and give the 
engine a thorough inspection.  He said he would get to it 
today.fingers crossed.


Rob

On 2022-06-26 11:50 p.m., Josh wrote:
You should also try to rev the engine with it out of gear.  If it has 
the same problem of reaching full RPM then fuel and air delivery are 
nearly to only possible culprits.


A bad or weak governor spring would be indicated by an engine that has 
a tendency to over speed or hunt.  Pulling the throttle faster applies 
pressure to open the fuel rack and provide more fuel. More fuel create 
more RPM and the governor the creates a feedback force that resists 
the fuel rack.  The governor tries to slow the engine whereas the 
throttle tries to speed it up. Without the governor the engine will 
tend to race, have high RPM, limited throttle control, and is lively 
to overspreed.


When you get to 2100 RPM do you get heave black smoke?  If you do the 
engine is getting plenty of fuel but not enough air.  Have you checked 
or simply removed the air cleaner?  When was the last time the 
backlash was checked on the lifters.  I can walk you through it if you 
don't know.


If you're not getting black smoke, are you getting any change in smoke?

Are you getting a correlating loss of power or stumbling?  Or is it 
just not going faster?  Was it not able to push the boat at normal 
full speed.  Are you confident in the accuracy of the RPM gage. You 
can get a laser tach from Amazon for less than $20 to confirm the RPM.


As the high pressure fuel pump and fuel injectors age they have 
springs that get weak.  Weak pump springs will allow the tappets to 
"float" and not achieve a full intake stroke of fuelcausing a low 
fuel condition resulting in lower RPM.  If the injectors are dirty or 
have weak springs they won't achieve full fuel pressure before 
injection and may even leak a small amount into the cylinder before 
TDC.  This is probably good more likely to cause detonation (ping or 
knock), not exacly low RPM but none the less is sub optimum operation.


Have you checked the oil for fuel dilution?  The fuel lift pump is 
driven off a cam and if the diaphragm cracks or tears it will leak 
fuel into the crank case.  This may also let crankcase pressure into 
the high pressure fuel pump...reducing fuel delivery and RPM. Pull the 
dip stick, drop some oil on a paper towel.  Smell it for diesel 
smell.  Wait and observe for a halo.  Especially if you have red 
diesel the halo is seen as the clearish red halo around the black oil 
spot.


If all of that checks.  Then you need to get a little more invasive.  
A compression check is in order.  I can walk you through it and 
provide parts(tools).  It is definitely doable as DIY but you got some 
investigation to do first.  Let me know.  Reach out with a PM and we 
can talk.


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List :


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring
out heading into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's
and found the engine wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine
diesel's are not supposed to be that complicated but they are to
me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble shootgetting a
mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told him
the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not
getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I
had the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters
replaced. He thinks one or both of the filters are restricting the
fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't think so.

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump,
etc.  the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I
have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Brian

Had a conversation with a friend who has a Sabre 34 the other day about this.  
His comments were that replacement cost of a boat is the cost of a sistership 
in the same condition plus the transport fees to get it here.  Sure you can 
find one for a low price but then you have to spend the money to get  it back 
to the shape of the one you now have.  In fairness to you the replacement boat 
(in case of total loss) should already be in that condition.

For me that would mean a Frers 33 with newish sails, instruments, winches and 
gear upgraded in the past few years, interior in good condition, etc etc … plus 
the trucking costs to get it from likely Eartern US seaboard to Canada.

Regardless of all that get a survey for insurance purposes and it should have a 
fair valuation for the boat

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com



From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 
Sent: June 27, 2022 7:33 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Brian Davis 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

Thank you Dennis!

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 8:13 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I'm going through this right now.  I got a letter from my insurance company 
questioning my "agreed value".  Years ago I got a condition and value survey 
for Touche' (1971 35-1) for $40K.  That's what I had it insured for.

The letter said the "most recent used boat price guide lists the current market 
value between $15,300 and $17,300".  I don't disagree that many sisterboats 
without upgrades and refurbishments on Yachtworld are priced in that range.  As 
always, value depends on market and condition.

Okay, $40K is a bit high.  I asked if my policy was truly an "agreed value" 
policy.  They said no.  One can insure a boat for way more than it's worth but 
I doubt the insurance provider would happily write a check for that amount.

Now what?  If the boat is physically damaged but largely intact, they will pay 
to fix it or total it based on the repair vendor's estimate.  The adjuster can 
look at the boat and hopefully see that it is in much better condition than the 
ones currently on the market.  I will show the adjuster the differences and all 
the upgrades and hope that the adjuster agrees with me.

Now what happens if the boat burns and is completely destroyed with nothing 
remaining for the adjuster to look at?  I plan on taking lots of pictures and 
arguing with the adjuster.

Bottom line, I reduced the coverage to $30K.  On a positive note, both my 
premium and my deductible dropped.  The deductible is a percent of the covered 
value.  I see this as a positive.  Most likely, any claim will be to repair 
damages much less than the covered value.  The lower deductible works in my 
favor.

The real value of insurance is in the liability coverage.  That's where the 
potential for big dollar claims lies.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My insurance is with USAA.  First purchased in 1999, my policy is actually
underwritten by USAA.  Newer USAA boat policies are underwritten by
Progressive and are, IMO, not as good as my USAA underwritten policy.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:12 AM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Call Progressive directly. They insured my boat.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 5:13 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going through this right now.  I got a letter from my insurance
>> company questioning my "agreed value".  Years ago I got a condition and
>> value survey for Touche' (1971 35-1) for $40K.  That's what I had it
>> insured for.
>>
>> The letter said the "most recent used boat price guide lists the current
>> market value between $15,300 and $17,300".  I don't disagree that
>> many sisterboats without upgrades and refurbishments on Yachtworld are
>> priced in that range.  As always, value depends on market and condition.
>>
>> Okay, $40K is a bit high.  I asked if my policy was truly an "agreed
>> value" policy.  They said no.  One can insure a boat for way more than it's
>> worth but I doubt the insurance provider would happily write a check for
>> that amount.
>>
>> Now what?  If the boat is physically damaged but largely intact,
>> they will pay to fix it or total it based on the repair vendor's estimate.
>> The adjuster can look at the boat and hopefully see that it is in much
>> better condition than the ones currently on the market.  I will show the
>> adjuster the differences and all the upgrades and hope that the adjuster
>> agrees with me.
>>
>> Now what happens if the boat burns and is completely destroyed
>> with nothing remaining for the adjuster to look at?  I plan on taking lots
>> of pictures and arguing with the adjuster.
>>
>> Bottom line, I reduced the coverage to $30K.  On a positive note, both my
>> premium and my deductible dropped.  The deductible is a percent of the
>> covered value.  I see this as a positive.  Most likely, any claim will be
>> to repair damages much less than the covered value.  The lower deductible
>> works in my favor.
>>
>> The real value of insurance is in the liability coverage.  That's where
>> the potential for big dollar claims lies.
>>
>> --
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>>
>>

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[John Read via CnC-List]

Correction  exhaust mixing elbow partially blocked

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 5:04 PM John Read via CnC-List 
wrote:

> My first thought is blocked exhaust riser – especially if has been several
> years since last checked.  Causes high back pressure causing engine not
> able to rev to spec
>
>
>
> John Read
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Abbott via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:38 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Robert Abbott
> *Subject:* Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF
>
>
>
>
> Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out
> heading into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the
> engine wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed
> to be that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start
> to trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke
> to him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel
> problemengine not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should
> be clean as I had the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel
> filters replaced. He thinks one or both of the filters are restricting the
> fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't think so.
>
> Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.
> the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat
>
> Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>

Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Thank you Dennis!

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 8:13 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I'm going through this right now.  I got a letter from my insurance
> company questioning my "agreed value".  Years ago I got a condition and
> value survey for Touche' (1971 35-1) for $40K.  That's what I had it
> insured for.
>
> The letter said the "most recent used boat price guide lists the current
> market value between $15,300 and $17,300".  I don't disagree that
> many sisterboats without upgrades and refurbishments on Yachtworld are
> priced in that range.  As always, value depends on market and condition.
>
> Okay, $40K is a bit high.  I asked if my policy was truly an "agreed
> value" policy.  They said no.  One can insure a boat for way more than it's
> worth but I doubt the insurance provider would happily write a check for
> that amount.
>
> Now what?  If the boat is physically damaged but largely intact, they will
> pay to fix it or total it based on the repair vendor's estimate.  The
> adjuster can look at the boat and hopefully see that it is in much better
> condition than the ones currently on the market.  I will show the adjuster
> the differences and all the upgrades and hope that the adjuster agrees with
> me.
>
> Now what happens if the boat burns and is completely destroyed
> with nothing remaining for the adjuster to look at?  I plan on taking lots
> of pictures and arguing with the adjuster.
>
> Bottom line, I reduced the coverage to $30K.  On a positive note, both my
> premium and my deductible dropped.  The deductible is a percent of the
> covered value.  I see this as a positive.  Most likely, any claim will be
> to repair damages much less than the covered value.  The lower deductible
> works in my favor.
>
> The real value of insurance is in the liability coverage.  That's where
> the potential for big dollar claims lies.
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 4:55 PM Brian Davis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have an insurance question for my fellow C'ers. My wife and I bought
>> Nina (1980 Landfall 38) 6 years ago for $25k. I've had Geico Marine ever
>> since for an insured value of $30k with a vanishing deductible that is now
>> zero. I have since restored her to about 95% and tracked all my receipts in
>> a spreadsheet totalling $45k. We are very happy with the result and the
>> only remaining 2 projects are a dodger/bimini and replacing the side plexi
>> windows.
>>
>> I inquired with Geico Marine about increasing the coverage from $30k to
>> $70k. I would first need to pay for a surveyor to inspect and write a
>> report (I don't know how much this is). Then my rate would go from $1,759
>> to $2,372 per year.
>>
>> I know this is a sliding scale based on the condition of each boat, and
>> I'm cool with the money I've put into her so far since we love her. Nearly
>> all of it is parts cost only because I am a skilled craftsman. Is $70k to
>> much insurance, and is $2,372 to much to pay for it?
>>
>> Would appreciate any thoughts and advice.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brian
>>
>
>
>

Stus-List Re: C owners need information

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks everyone! I should be able to work with this information. Going to
make some calls today and check out the USCG website to see if I can either
update my registration to show RI build or to prove the boat was imported
into the US as "Rainbow" - which it was because I have some paperwork
onboard showing the boat was called that once.

Dan Cormier
C Breakaweigh
Halifax, NS / Florida

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 12:03 AM Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The aluminum plate in the  cockpit of my 44 shows it was built in Rhode
> Island.
> It is the 7th one built.
> The HIN was removed when painted.
>
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Dan,
>
> Your boat was registered in the US as *Rainbow *with a USCG registration
> number of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru Dec 2001.
>
> Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN that indicates it is
> also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485).*  Indigo*, a Canadian vessel was in US
> waters (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.
> Don Kern
> *Fireball*, C Mk-2
> Bristol, RI
>
>
> On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the manufacturing
> location.
> Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
> My hull number is:
> ZCC44001H586
>
> When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 but
> not where it was made.
>
> Thanks so much!
> Dan
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have run
>> into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the apparent
>> use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the problems with
>> the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the impression that the LF
>> 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN
>> - CCY), but have run into exceptions.
>>
>> Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38 Mk-2
>> was built?
>> Don Kern
>> Fireball, C Mk-2
>> Bristol, RI
>>
>>
>> On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory
>> closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files
>> including something called a "build file".
>> This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.
>> They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
>> I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and details
>> the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework of the
>> floor because of "flexing"?
>> I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to the
>> Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some
>> listers have had positive corresoondence with them).
>> Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
>> Good luck
>> Ron C.
>> Impromptu
>> C 38MKII, #125, '77
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records
>> showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in
>> Rhode Island? Any kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an
>> original receipt or even contact info for someone who has archives from
>> when the factories closed down? (I know that's a long shot)
>>
>> Thanks so much!
>>
>> Dan Cormier
>> C Breakaweigh
>> Halifax NS / Florida
>>
>>
>>
>>