Stus-List Re: To sell or not to sell

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

I second that Please document and  post a little of your voyage 
I may be coming the “other way” later this year 
Thanks!! 

John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon 
S/V Heartbeat

> On Apr 21, 2023, at 3:31 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It should be a wonderful trip, Tom. . You will remember it for the rest of 
> your life. I think the Erie Canal is still free, which is amazing. That costs 
> NYS a ton.
> I did it down to FLA with a slip neighbor in the fall or 2000 on a big 
> powerboat, loads of fun. I made the mistake of letting the owner know I could 
> cook, and ended up cooking breakfasts the rest of the way down, which 
> actually turned out not to be a curse. We had food MY way, The Stove was 
> right up on the bridge, so I could cook and watch the world go by.
> Then I did it again in 2018 upbound from Annapolis. That was also a wonderful 
> trip, but it would have been more enjoyable as a passenger, as I spent a lot 
> of time fretting about groundings, which turned out to be not unfounded.
> My good buddy Dave, who is even more anal than me, took copious notes, and 
> put them on his blog, if you are interested. It is in Wordpress, which is a 
> little convoluted to read, but might hold some interesting info/Data and be 
> helpful.. We didn't sail, I took the spar out before the trip, and had it 
> trucked up, cheap insurance and made the trip a hell of a lot easier. If you 
> do not have a lot of overhang, it may not be too bad.  I always hated just 
> the short trip from the lift well to my slip with the spar laying down.  I 
> once caught the top of the spar on the sling cables backing out with my 39 in 
> a crosswind, and almost ripped the mast off the boat.
> 
> https://pilgrimliberty.wordpress.com/2018/05/page/2/
> 
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie PA
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Thomas Perison via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> All - 
>> After much of your collective feedback as well as discussions w The Admiral, 
>> I’ve decided to sail Therapy from Solomons MD to Buffalo. 
>> It should be a great experience- I hope. 
>> My planned window: leave late May; arrive about 2.5 wks later in Buffalo.  A 
>> bit over 700 nm; based on initial planning. 
>> Thanks to all for your advice and encouragement ! 
>> Tom
>> Therapy 
>> 29 Mk2 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 28, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Background: My boat “Therapy” (29 mkII) currently is berthed in Solomons 
>>> MD. I moved to Buffalo NY this past fall (the “why” is a long story 
>>> …planning on trucking her here this spring (have quotes etc). 
>>> Debating about selling her in MD vs the ~$4k moving cost.   I have put 
>>> extensive work ($) in her over the past 5 yrs: new electronics w/NMEA 2000 
>>> /  running rigging / interior / exterior cushions / Bimini & dodger / 
>>> traveler & main sheet; lifelines,  lights; among other things. 
>>> I know most of that doesn’t translate to much add’l value….online ads range 
>>> from $teens to low $20s. 
>>> My main question..thoughts on the least-bad option:  sell in MD or bear the 
>>> cost to truck her to WNY? 
>>> I believe she’s worth about $20k…thinking realistically.  
>>> Before y’all think I’m throwing out the anchor - there is a very nice 35-Mk 
>>> III for sale locally…! 
>>> 
>>> Cheers ! 
>>> Tom 
>>> “Therapy”
>>> 1984 29-Mk II 
>>> Solomons MD
>>> 
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Stus-List rudder grease fittings

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

My 1989 34R had delrin bearings and back in 2004, I fixed the slight bit of 
play and hum by dropping the rudder, drilling the shaftlog and installing zerk 
fittings.  I grease these bearings using a food grade synthetic grease.  Major 
improvement and has worked for twenty plus years.

Chuck S
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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[John Read via CnC-List]

I doubt there would be room.  The grease also prevents water over filling
the tube

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 8:24 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  I bought a zerk fitting to add to the grease cup.  The idea of a
> hose extension is a good one.  I was thinking some shaft packing material
> might help?
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
> --
> *From:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:23:57 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
>
> Thanks for reminding me.  I have to take the grease gun to the boat and
> grease the rudder bearings, next time.
>
> Chuck S
>
> On 04/20/2023 10:46 PM John Read via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection,
> the 34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a
> close tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by
> fiberglass struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about
> a foot or so from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering
> quadrant and be well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit
> floor square cast bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole
> for rudder shaft is also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole
> edges.  This is the real issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting
> hole allowing the rudder post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the
> fitting and insert a new bushing.
>
>
> On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup.
> Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal
> maintenance.  I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I
> could insert grease from the locker and not have to crawl back there
>
>
> Best of luck
>
>
> John Read
>
> 1982 C 34
>
>
> *From:* Korbey Hunt via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2023 1:45 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike ; Korbey Hunt <
> kampf2...@hotmail.com>
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
>
>
> Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below
> the cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two
> that need replacement?
>
>
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> --
>
> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
>
>
> On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com at the bottom of the page is a
> link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we undertook two years
> ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.
>
>
> At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch
> of cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was
> in fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find
> until we cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you
> are enjoying all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> www.hoytsailing.com
>
>
> *From:* John Read via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* John Read 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
>
>
> Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under
> tiller fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82
> 34.  Fix was done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine
> shop inserted bronze bearing. Reinstall.  John Read
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while
> under power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I
> plan to haul out in June to inspect.
>
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
>
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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Second the Hose extension.  I bought one for my 39, and never put it on.
Sorry Rich. I did leave it with the boat. Every time I thought of doing it,
it was in the water, and I would freak out when I thought of crossthreading
that hose all the way into that convoluted space, which I couldn't even
see. Putting a nipple into threads I cannot see is what nightmares are made
of.  Below the waterline, anyways. If I *Had* done it, I would have put one
of these on the end of the hose.

https://www.amazon.com/Lubesite-205-Feeder-Grease-Oz/dp/B000CD96IM/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2UH94E2OE9N3T=lubesite+grease+feeder=1682090312=lubesite%2Caps%2C82=8-2

Bill Coleman

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 8:24 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  I bought a zerk fitting to add to the grease cup.  The idea of a
> hose extension is a good one.  I was thinking some shaft packing material
> might help?
>
>
>
>
> I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection,
> the 34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a
> close tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by
> fiberglass struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about
> a foot or so from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering
> quadrant and be well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit
> floor square cast bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole
> for rudder shaft is also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole
> edges.  This is the real issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting
> hole allowing the rudder post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the
> fitting and insert a new bushing.
>
>
> On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup.
> Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal
> maintenance.  I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I
> could insert grease from the locker and not have to crawl back there
>
>
> Best of luck
>
>
> John Read
>
> 1982 C 34
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

 AwlGrip I believe is a polyisocyanate. Awlcraft is a polyurethane.
Think diamonds vs. Granite.  I also need to do some touch up on AwlGrip,
and I intend to just touch it up with Awlgrip and  wet-sand and buff. If I
can ever figure out which color it is.

Bill Coleman

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 11:38 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis and David; are Awlcraft and Awlgrip the same or similar products? I
> am in the process of having repairs done to my hull; it was painted with
> Awlgrip in 2013; any suggestions? Thanks
>
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
>
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
> To: CnC CnC discussion list 
> Cc: David Knecht 
> Sent: Wed, Apr 19, 2023 11:19 am
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft
>
> I am in the same position, but I can’t blame it on a hurricane (my
> stupidity instead).  Had the topsides painted in 2021 with Awlcraft 2000
> and it looked great.  Last mark of the last race of the season in 2021 I
> was single-handing and put the boat on autopilot to take the whisker pole
> down at the leeward mark.  Took longer than it should have and I was not
> paying attention and looked up to see the boat headed directly at the
> government nun buoy I was supposed to round.  Didn’t get back to the helm
> in time and hit it dead on (taking a chunk out of the bow under the roller)
> and then scraped along the starboard side, trashing my new paint job.  I
> installed an autopilot remote control (Madman Marine) last week to
> (hopefully) keep that from ever happening again.  Dave
>
>
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Stus-List Re: To sell or not to sell

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

It should be a wonderful trip, Tom. . You will remember it for the rest of
your life. I think the Erie Canal is still free, which is amazing. That
costs NYS a ton.
I did it down to FLA with a slip neighbor in the fall or 2000 on a big
powerboat, loads of fun. I made the mistake of letting the owner know I
could cook, and ended up cooking breakfasts the rest of the way down, which
actually turned out not to be a curse. We had food MY way, The Stove was
right up on the bridge, so I could cook and watch the world go by.
Then I did it again in 2018 upbound from Annapolis. That was also a
wonderful trip, but it would have been more enjoyable as a passenger, as I
spent a lot of time fretting about groundings, which turned out to be not
unfounded.
My good buddy Dave, who is even more anal than me, took copious notes, and
put them on his blog, if you are interested. It is in Wordpress, which is a
little convoluted to read, but might hold some interesting info/Data and be
helpful.. We didn't sail, I took the spar out before the trip, and had it
trucked up, cheap insurance and made the trip a hell of a lot easier. If
you do not have a lot of overhang, it may not be too bad.  I always hated
just the short trip from the lift well to my slip with the spar laying
down.  I once caught the top of the spar on the sling cables backing out
with my 39 in a crosswind, and almost ripped the mast off the boat.

https://pilgrimliberty.wordpress.com/2018/05/page/2/

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Thomas Perison via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> All -
> After much of your collective feedback as well as discussions w The
> Admiral, I’ve decided to sail Therapy from Solomons MD to Buffalo.
> It should be a great experience- I hope.
> My planned window: leave late May; arrive about 2.5 wks later in Buffalo.
> A bit over 700 nm; based on initial planning.
> Thanks to all for your advice and encouragement !
> Tom
> Therapy
> 29 Mk2
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 28, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Background: My boat “Therapy” (29 mkII) currently is berthed in Solomons
> MD. I moved to Buffalo NY this past fall (the “why” is a long story
> …planning on trucking her here this spring (have quotes etc).
> Debating about selling her in MD vs the ~$4k moving cost.   I have put
> extensive work ($) in her over the past 5 yrs: new electronics w/NMEA 2000
> /  running rigging / interior / exterior cushions / Bimini & dodger /
> traveler & main sheet; lifelines,  lights; among other things.
> I know most of that doesn’t translate to much add’l value….online ads
> range from $teens to low $20s.
> My main question..thoughts on the least-bad option:  sell in MD or bear
> the cost to truck her to WNY?
> I believe she’s worth about $20k…thinking realistically.
> Before y’all think I’m throwing out the anchor - there is a very nice
> 35-Mk III for sale locally…!
>
> Cheers !
> Tom
> “Therapy”
> 1984 29-Mk II
> Solomons MD
>
>
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Stus-List Re: To sell or not to sell

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

Just in time for the Interclub Cruise!

 

From: Thomas Perison  
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2023 9:49 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: wolf...@erie.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: To sell or not to sell

 

All - 

After much of your collective feedback as well as discussions w The Admiral, 
I’ve decided to sail Therapy from Solomons MD to Buffalo. 

It should be a great experience- I hope. 

My planned window: leave late May; arrive about 2.5 wks later in Buffalo.  A 
bit over 700 nm; based on initial planning. 

Thanks to all for your advice and encouragement ! 

Tom

Therapy 

29 Mk2 

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 28, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



Lots of C on Lake Erie, yes.

 

From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 6:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Tom Buscaglia mailto:t...@sv-alera.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: To sell or not to sell

 

I'll third that.  Between eastern lake Erie and and western lake Ontario there 
are more well kept C's that any other area in the world.  I got my Alera from 
Niagara on the Lake on Lake Ontario, where she was made.  She was on the hard 
at the Niagara on the Lake Sailing Club and we shipped her to the Pacific 
Northwest.   I was b;pen away by the yard at the NoL Sailing Club...over 60% of 
the sailboats there were classic (pre 93) C Not too sure about Lake Erie,, 
but I suspect there is a healthy population of C there as well.

I'm sure you can find your next boat there.

Tom B

.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com 

 

 

On 3/27/2023 3:19 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Thomas, 

 

4k is very cheap for trucking a boat. Does that include hauling demasting, 
loading and unloading — and then restepping? 

 

My advice is that you are probably better off selling down there and shop for a 
new boat up north. 

All the best, 

 

Edd






———-

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Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”

Bayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-C

Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

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On Mar 27, 2023, at 6:06 PM, Thomas Perison via CnC-List  
  wrote:

Greetings all - 
Long-time follower, believe this is my 1st post.  …welcoming all input / advice 
from the elders…
-sorry in advance for the long post - 

Background: My boat “Therapy” (29 mkII) currently is berthed in Solomons MD. I 
moved to Buffalo NY this past fall (the “why” is a long story …planning on 
trucking her here this spring (have quotes etc). 
Debating about selling her in MD vs the ~$4k moving cost.   I have put 
extensive work ($) in her over the past 5 yrs: new electronics w/NMEA 2000 /  
running rigging / interior / exterior cushions / Bimini & dodger / traveler & 
main sheet; lifelines,  lights; among other things. 
I know most of that doesn’t translate to much add’l value.online 

  ads range from $teens to low $20s. 
My main question..thoughts on the least-bad option:  sell in MD or bear the 
cost to truck her to WNY? 
I believe she’s worth about $20k…thinking realistically.  
Before y’all think I’m throwing out the anchor - there is a very nice 35-Mk III 
for sale locally…! 

Cheers ! 
Tom 
“Therapy”
1984 29-Mk II 
Solomons MD 


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Stus-List Re: Sail Therapy trip

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Tom, be sure to document your trip with lots of photos and log the details, 
maybe even you tube the trip!  It will be a great trip!
 
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 



All - After much of your collective feedback as well as discussions w The 
Admiral, I’ve decided to sail Therapy from Solomons MD to Buffalo. It should be 
a great experience- I hope. My planned window: leave late May; arrive about 2.5 
wks later in Buffalo.  A bit over 700 nm; based on initial planning. Thanks to 
all for your advice and encouragement ! TomTherapy 29 Mk2 



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Stus-List Re: To sell or not to sell

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Anything I can do to help, don’t hesitate to ask. I’ve done that route many times. I’m dropping off a boat in Albany about the time you’re leaving the Chesapeake.AndyAndrew Burton26 Beacon HillNewport, RI USA    02840http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260On Apr 21, 2023, at 09:50, Thomas Perison via CnC-List  wrote:All - After much of your collective feedback as well as discussions w The Admiral, I’ve decided to sail Therapy from Solomons MD to Buffalo. It should be a great experience- I hope. My planned window: leave late May; arrive about 2.5 wks later in Buffalo.  A bit over 700 nm; based on initial planning. Thanks to all for your advice and encouragement ! TomTherapy 29 Mk2 Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 28, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List  wrote:Lots of C on Lake Erie, yes. From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 6:31 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Tom Buscaglia Subject: Stus-List Re: To sell or not to sell I'll third that.  Between eastern lake Erie and and western lake Ontario there are more well kept C's that any other area in the world.  I got my Alera from Niagara on the Lake on Lake Ontario, where she was made.  She was on the hard at the Niagara on the Lake Sailing Club and we shipped her to the Pacific Northwest.   I was b;pen away by the yard at the NoL Sailing Club...over 60% of the sailboats there were classic (pre 93) C Not too sure about Lake Erie,, but I suspect there is a healthy population of C there as well.I'm sure you can find your next boat there.Tom B.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.Tom & Lynn BuscagliaSV AleraC 37+/40Vashon Island WA(206) 463-9200www.sv-alera.com On 3/27/2023 3:19 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:Thomas,  4k is very cheap for trucking a boat. Does that include hauling demasting, loading and unloading — and then restepping?  My advice is that you are probably better off selling down there and shop for a new boat up north. All the best,  Edd———-Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the “Starship Enterprise”Bayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-CVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL———-914.774.9767   |    Mobile———-Sent via iPhone 14 ProiPhone. iTypos. iApologizeOn Mar 27, 2023, at 6:06 PM, Thomas Perison via CnC-List  wrote:Greetings all - Long-time follower, believe this is my 1st post.  …welcoming all input / advice from the elders…-sorry in advance for the long post - Background: My boat “Therapy” (29 mkII) currently is berthed in Solomons MD. I moved to Buffalo NY this past fall (the “why” is a long story …planning on trucking her here this spring (have quotes etc). Debating about selling her in MD vs the ~$4k moving cost.   I have put extensive work ($) in her over the past 5 yrs: new electronics w/NMEA 2000 /  running rigging / interior / exterior cushions / Bimini & dodger / traveler & main sheet; lifelines,  lights; among other things. I know most of that doesn’t translate to much add’l value….online ads range from $teens to low $20s. My main question..thoughts on the least-bad option:  sell in MD or bear the cost to truck her to WNY? I believe she’s worth about $20k…thinking realistically.  Before y’all think I’m throwing out the anchor - there is a very nice 35-Mk III for sale locally…! Cheers ! Tom “Therapy”1984 29-Mk II Solomons MD Sent from my iPhonePlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.Stu-- Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List Record Low Price for 35? O

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

https://easternshore.craigslist.org/boa/d/neavitt-1971-cc-35-mk/7608671741.html

1971 C 35 Mk I - $3,900 (Neavitt) 

 

I wonder how bad the boat is? Isn’t that less than the scrap value of the lead?

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Persistence

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Mike, thanks! I love hearing that kind of info; that's what makes it fun for 
me to follow along with everyone's trial and tribulations!  As it happens, I am 
getting ready to have my boat repainted also; the boat next to mine in the 
marina came  loose and laid into my hull; they can fix the gouges, but the 
whole boat needs repainting! Let me know any ideas or suggestions you have! 
Thanks again!
 
Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike 
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2023 10:57 am
Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: Persistence

Hi Richard    I 
thought I was replying directly to Bob – OOPS    Persistence is currently at 
East River Shipyard in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia near Chester 
(www.eastrivershipyard.ca).  There was some deep gouging along the port bow 
extending back about 8 feet due to an incident during a Wednesday evening race 
in June 2022.  ERSY has repaired the damage and painted the topsides of the 
entire boat.  We are quite excited to have a new paint job that has no 
scratches or owies (until we start sailing and docking again).    Home Club is 
the Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron in Halifax, NS (www.rnsys.com) where Bob 
and I are both members.  Most years Persistence is one of or the first boat 
launched – usually first week of April.  Persistence absence is noted for that 
reason    East River is just under 8 hours from Halifax by boat.  It is an easy 
trip that we have done many times (Chester Race Week, cruises, etc…)    Sorry 
for the confusion    Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, Nova Scotia 
www.hoytsailing.com    From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: April 21, 2023 11:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Persistence    Mike and Bob, for those of us who are 
uninformed...where is the boat now and where is the "club"?    Richard s/v 
Bushmark4 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;    Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220 (502) 584-7255    
   -Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2023 10:21 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Persistence Hi Bob

The boot stripes and name are going on today and the boat is being launched 
next week.  Shortly after that we will bring it back

Mike

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Stus-List Re: Persistence

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Richard

I thought I was replying directly to Bob – OOPS

Persistence is currently at East River Shipyard in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia near 
Chester (www.eastrivershipyard.ca).  There was some deep gouging along the port 
bow extending back about 8 feet due to an incident during a Wednesday evening 
race in June 2022.  ERSY has repaired the damage and painted the topsides of 
the entire boat.  We are quite excited to have a new paint job that has no 
scratches or owies (until we start sailing and docking again).

Home Club is the Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron in Halifax, NS 
(www.rnsys.com) where Bob and I are both members.  Most 
years Persistence is one of or the first boat launched – usually first week of 
April.  Persistence absence is noted for that reason

East River is just under 8 hours from Halifax by boat.  It is an easy trip that 
we have done many times (Chester Race Week, cruises, etc…)

Sorry for the confusion

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, Nova Scotia
www.hoytsailing.com

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: April 21, 2023 11:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Persistence

Mike and Bob, for those of us who are uninformed...where is the boat now and 
where is the "club"?

Richard
s/v Bushmark4 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2023 10:21 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Persistence
Hi Bob

The boot stripes and name are going on today and the boat is being launched 
next week.  Shortly after that we will bring it back

Mike

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Stus-List Re: Persistence

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Mike and Bob, for those of us who are uninformed...where is the boat now and 
where is the "club"?
 
Richard
s/v Bushmark4 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2023 10:21 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Persistence

Hi Bob

The boot stripes and name are going on today and the boat is being launched 
next week.  Shortly after that we will bring it back

Mike


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Stus-List Re: Persistence

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Bob

The boot stripes and name are going on today and the boat is being launched 
next week.  Shortly after that we will bring it back

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
Sent: April 21, 2023 10:59 AM
To: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Persistence


Mike,

When do you plan to bring your boat back to the club?

Bob
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Stus-List Persistence

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Mike,

When do you plan to bring your boat back to the club?

Bob
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Stus-List Re: To sell or not to sell

[Thomas Perison via CnC-List]

All - After much of your collective feedback as well as discussions w The Admiral, I’ve decided to sail Therapy from Solomons MD to Buffalo. It should be a great experience- I hope. My planned window: leave late May; arrive about 2.5 wks later in Buffalo.  A bit over 700 nm; based on initial planning. Thanks to all for your advice and encouragement ! TomTherapy 29 Mk2 Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 28, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List  wrote:Lots of C on Lake Erie, yes. From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 6:31 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Tom Buscaglia Subject: Stus-List Re: To sell or not to sell I'll third that.  Between eastern lake Erie and and western lake Ontario there are more well kept C's that any other area in the world.  I got my Alera from Niagara on the Lake on Lake Ontario, where she was made.  She was on the hard at the Niagara on the Lake Sailing Club and we shipped her to the Pacific Northwest.   I was b;pen away by the yard at the NoL Sailing Club...over 60% of the sailboats there were classic (pre 93) C Not too sure about Lake Erie,, but I suspect there is a healthy population of C there as well.I'm sure you can find your next boat there.Tom B.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.Tom & Lynn BuscagliaSV AleraC 37+/40Vashon Island WA(206) 463-9200www.sv-alera.com On 3/27/2023 3:19 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:Thomas,  4k is very cheap for trucking a boat. Does that include hauling demasting, loading and unloading — and then restepping?  My advice is that you are probably better off selling down there and shop for a new boat up north. All the best,  Edd———-Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the “Starship Enterprise”Bayliner 3788 | NCC-1701-CVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL———-914.774.9767   |    Mobile———-Sent via iPhone 14 ProiPhone. iTypos. iApologizeOn Mar 27, 2023, at 6:06 PM, Thomas Perison via CnC-List  wrote:Greetings all - Long-time follower, believe this is my 1st post.  …welcoming all input / advice from the elders…-sorry in advance for the long post - Background: My boat “Therapy” (29 mkII) currently is berthed in Solomons MD. I moved to Buffalo NY this past fall (the “why” is a long story …planning on trucking her here this spring (have quotes etc). Debating about selling her in MD vs the ~$4k moving cost.   I have put extensive work ($) in her over the past 5 yrs: new electronics w/NMEA 2000 /  running rigging / interior / exterior cushions / Bimini & dodger / traveler & main sheet; lifelines,  lights; among other things. I know most of that doesn’t translate to much add’l value….online ads range from $teens to low $20s. My main question..thoughts on the least-bad option:  sell in MD or bear the cost to truck her to WNY? I believe she’s worth about $20k…thinking realistically.  Before y’all think I’m throwing out the anchor - there is a very nice 35-Mk III for sale locally…! Cheers ! Tom “Therapy”1984 29-Mk II Solomons MD Sent from my iPhonePlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.Stu-- Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Awlgrip is a part of Azko Nobel that also has International paints.  I know 
that on the International paints site there was a tech support number that you 
could call to answers to this type of question.

Mik Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, ns
www.hoytsailing.com

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: April 21, 2023 9:54 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft

Doubt I'm qualified to answer that.  Awlgrip could answer that.

I suspect you'd have to prime it with 545 first.  After sanding and prep, my 
painter applied 3 coats of high build primer to get the smoothness he wanted.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 11:07 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Dennis, thanks; we are blessed in that the repair shop here does have a such a 
person; would you recommend that the hull should be repainted with Awlcraft 
over the existing Awlgrip?
Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255




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Stus-List Re: Now Repairing Awlcraft

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Doubt I'm qualified to answer that.  Awlgrip could answer that.

I suspect you'd have to prime it with 545 first.  After sanding and prep,
my painter applied 3 coats of high build primer to get the smoothness he
wanted.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 11:07 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Dennis, thanks; we are blessed in that the repair shop here does have a
> such a person; would you recommend that the hull should be repainted with
> Awlcraft over the existing Awlgrip?
> Richard
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Thanks.  I bought a zerk fitting to add to the grease cup.  The idea of a hose 
extension is a good one.  I was thinking some shaft packing material might help?

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:23:57 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

Thanks for reminding me.  I have to take the grease gun to the boat and grease 
the rudder bearings, next time.

Chuck S
On 04/20/2023 10:46 PM John Read via CnC-List  wrote:



I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection, the 
34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a close 
tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by fiberglass 
struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about a foot or so 
from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering quadrant and be 
well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit floor square cast 
bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole for rudder shaft is 
also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole edges.  This is the real 
issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting hole allowing the rudder 
post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the fitting and insert a new 
bushing.


On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup.  
Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal maintenance.  
I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I could insert grease 
from the locker and not have to crawl back there


Best of luck


John Read

1982 C 34


From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 1:45 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below the 
cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two that need 
replacement?


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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com at the 
bottom of the page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we 
undertook two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.


At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch of 
cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was in 
fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until we 
cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are enjoying 
all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!


Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com


From: John Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: John Read mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under tiller 
fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.  Fix was 
done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop inserted bronze 
bearing. Reinstall.  John Read


On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under 
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan to 
haul out in June to inspect.


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