Stus-List Re: Underway diesel fix - long read

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Dennis, Andy, thanks for the comments.  I have a very long and growing body of 
info, itemizing projects for the new boat.  

Dave 

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> On May 28, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Yes, the Racor 500 gasket can be an issue.  A new gasket and o-ring should be 
> supplied with each element.  They should be replaced.  The gasket is square.  
> It can get twisted but usually not.
> 
> The most frequent issue with the Racor 500's is neither the gasket or o-ring 
> but warping of the top.  If the T-handle screw is over-tightened, it can warp 
> the top of the filter, depressing the top into a concave shape.  Then you 
> don't get a good seal and air leakage can result.
> 
> An infrequent issue is chipping of the paint on the top rim of the filter 
> body.  However, the gasket usually will still make for a good seal.
> 
> Overall, the Racor 500MA is, IMHO, a great upgrade to a boat's fuel system.  
> Even better with the T-handle replaced with a vacuum gauge Larger boats may 
> opt for the dual version Racor 75500 Max series.  But $1500 is quite pricey.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pe9zcl-E0aQRl-Cu9cW8VqpeLEo9Gek3/view?usp=drive_link
> 
> Again, I keep a small jug of diesel on board just in case I need to top off 
> the filter after an element change.
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 6:13 AM Dave S  wrote:
>> 
>> I do wonder about racor filters, and the various other ‘upgrades’.   Racors 
>> seem to be the default upgrade, yet are often cited as a source of 
>> problems/air leaks. You mention the finicky gasket.   Thoughts? 
>> 
>> Dave 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: West Coast Rendezvous

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I was hoping to take Calypso up to Telegraph Harbor this year but our 
painting/varnishing in prep for her "for sale" glamor shots will delay any 
voyage north.

If any PNW boats are passing through Port Ludlow on their way north and want to 
meet up drop me a line.  With two boats in Port Ludlow and being PLYC's Port 
Captain I am at the marina most days.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

Greta
1956 Matthews 42
Port Ludlow

From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2023 11:27 AM
To: C 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Stus-List West Coast Rendezvous

Anyone interested in attending the rendezvous without your boat: Telegraph 
Harbor is on Thetis Island, BC. There are several B's plus possibly other 
accommodations on the island. You can fly into Victoria, BC, and take a rental 
car to Chemainus. Then you can take a ferry, which runs regularly, to Thetis 
Island. There are also accommodations in Chemainus and other places on 
Vancouver Island.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

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Stus-List Re: Therapy - Annapolis to NYC

[Thomas Perison via CnC-List]

Super! 
Here till am Tue. Liberty landing Marina - D 29 

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> On May 28, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> About 16 hours behind you, Tom. We’re just at the entrance to Delaware Bay.
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
> 
>> On May 28, 2023, at 14:41, Thomas Perison via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> All - 
>> 
>> Thank you again - & special to Josh in the Solomons -for all your 
>> encouragement to sail Therapy vs truck her. 
>> Arrived in NYC harbor at 1300hrs today after a 49hr non-stop passage from 
>> Annapolis w 2 crew. 
>> A bit tired! Hudson R and the Erie Canal next. 
>> 
>> Fair Winds - 
>> Tom
>> Therapy 
>> 29 Mk 2
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Re: Westcoast C Rendezvous

[Mary-Ann Pedersen via CnC-List]

Hey Glenn,
Here are a couple of airb on Thetis that are available during the C
Rendezvous.
https://www.airbnb.ca/rooms/50600217
https://www.airbnb.ca/rooms/734246124832634352

You may also be able to fly to Nanaimo (smaller airport) or Comox which are
closer to Thetis.

These are some of the nicest sailing areas around, but I am very biased
lol.

Great if you can make it!

Mary-Ann Pedersen
Red Sled
C 34+

On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 11:17 AM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Glenn:
> Telegraph Harbor is on Thetis Island, BC. There are several B's plus
> possibly other accommodations on the island. You would be flying into
> Victoria, BC, and taking a rental car to Chemainus. Then you can take a
> ferry, which runs regularly, to Thetis Island. There are accommodations in
> Chemainus also.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 8:53 AM Glenn Henderson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Mary-Ann,
>>
>> I have a C 41 but I am here in Florida. Is there a hotel nearby
>> enabling me to participate?
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Glenn Henderson
>>
>> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 11:33 AM Mary-Ann Pedersen via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For those of you on the west coast, the C Rendezvous is happening at
>>> Telegraph Harbour Marina on Thetis Island on Aug 4-6. There are 28 boats
>>> registered of all shapes and sizes. The website with details of the event
>>> is www.cncrdv.org
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Hope to see some of you there.
>>>
>>> Mary-Ann Pedersen
>>> p. 604.725.4801
>>> e. maryann.peder...@gmail.com
>>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
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Stus-List Re: Therapy - Annapolis to NYC

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

About 16 hours behind you, Tom. We’re just at the entrance to Delaware Bay.
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On May 28, 2023, at 14:41, Thomas Perison via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> All - 
> 
> Thank you again - & special to Josh in the Solomons -for all your 
> encouragement to sail Therapy vs truck her. 
> Arrived in NYC harbor at 1300hrs today after a 49hr non-stop passage from 
> Annapolis w 2 crew. 
> A bit tired! Hudson R and the Erie Canal next. 
> 
> Fair Winds - 
> Tom
> Therapy 
> 29 Mk 2
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Therapy - Annapolis to NYC

[Thomas Perison via CnC-List]

All - 

Thank you again - & special to Josh in the Solomons -for all your 
encouragement to sail Therapy vs truck her. 
Arrived in NYC harbor at 1300hrs today after a 49hr non-stop passage from 
Annapolis w 2 crew. 
A bit tired! Hudson R and the Erie Canal next. 

Fair Winds - 
Tom
Therapy 
29 Mk 2

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Stus-List West Coast Rendezvous

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Anyone interested in attending the rendezvous without your boat: Telegraph
Harbor is on Thetis Island, BC. There are several B's plus possibly other
accommodations on the island. You can fly into Victoria, BC, and take a
rental car to Chemainus. Then you can take a ferry, which runs regularly,
to Thetis Island. There are also accommodations in Chemainus and other
places on Vancouver Island.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Stus-List Re: Westcoast C Rendezvous

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Hi Glenn:
Telegraph Harbor is on Thetis Island, BC. There are several B's plus
possibly other accommodations on the island. You would be flying into
Victoria, BC, and taking a rental car to Chemainus. Then you can take a
ferry, which runs regularly, to Thetis Island. There are accommodations in
Chemainus also.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 8:53 AM Glenn Henderson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello Mary-Ann,
>
> I have a C 41 but I am here in Florida. Is there a hotel nearby enabling
> me to participate?
>
> Thank You,
>
> Glenn Henderson
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 11:33 AM Mary-Ann Pedersen via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> For those of you on the west coast, the C Rendezvous is happening at
>> Telegraph Harbour Marina on Thetis Island on Aug 4-6. There are 28 boats
>> registered of all shapes and sizes. The website with details of the event
>> is www.cncrdv.org
>> 
>> .
>>
>> Hope to see some of you there.
>>
>> Mary-Ann Pedersen
>> p. 604.725.4801
>> e. maryann.peder...@gmail.com
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>> Thanks for your help.
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Stus-List Re: Westcoast C Rendezvous

[Glenn Henderson via CnC-List]

Hello Mary-Ann,

I have a C 41 but I am here in Florida. Is there a hotel nearby enabling
me to participate?

Thank You,

Glenn Henderson

On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 11:33 AM Mary-Ann Pedersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> For those of you on the west coast, the C Rendezvous is happening at
> Telegraph Harbour Marina on Thetis Island on Aug 4-6. There are 28 boats
> registered of all shapes and sizes. The website with details of the event
> is www.cncrdv.org.
>
> Hope to see some of you there.
>
> Mary-Ann Pedersen
> p. 604.725.4801
> e. maryann.peder...@gmail.com
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> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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Stus-List Westcoast C Rendezvous

[Mary-Ann Pedersen via CnC-List]

For those of you on the west coast, the C Rendezvous is happening at
Telegraph Harbour Marina on Thetis Island on Aug 4-6. There are 28 boats
registered of all shapes and sizes. The website with details of the event
is www.cncrdv.org.

Hope to see some of you there.

Mary-Ann Pedersen
p. 604.725.4801
e. maryann.peder...@gmail.com
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Stus-List Re: Underway diesel fix - long read

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Good story.  Sound troubleshooting analysis.  Maybe there was nothing wrong 
with the old fuel pump. Big question, what tripped the breaker?

Also.  I have had poor service from Westerbeke reps.  I ordered a new set of 
hoses for my genny.  $126.  Hauled them to my boat in MX.  None fit!.  Arggg.

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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2023 6:47:41 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Underway diesel fix - long read

I brought Touche' back from Pensacola to its home slip on Lake Pontchartrain 
this week.  Overall a nice sail with fair winds and weather.

Had one glitch.  Here's an excerpt from the trip report I sent some of my 
sailing buddies.

Thursday we were motor sailing past Petit Bois Island, Mississippi.  We'd just 
crossed the Pascagoula Ship Channel.  Touche's engine quit.  Just quit.  No 
slowing down or whatever.  Just died.  WTF?  The engine is a Universal 25XPB 
with about 2000 hours on it.

First thing I did was open the cockpit locker and look at the vacuum gauge on 
the Racor 500MA fuel filter.  It was still in the yellow where it normally 
runs.  I pulled the top and checked the filter element anyway.  I looked fairly 
clean.  Next I investigated if the filter might have an air leak and the level 
had dropped below the discharge.  The filter was only about half full.  I keep 
a small jug of diesel for topping off the filter if need be.  I topped it off 
and put the filter element back in.  I inspected the filter lid o-ring and 
gasket.  The gasket is square and can get twisted. Both looked normal.  
Buttoned up the filter and tried to start the engine.  It would barely idle and 
died.

The engine has an electric fuel pump.  Okay, next we checked the pump.  I put 
my finger on the pump.  My buddy turned on the ignition and pressed the preheat 
button.  Normally an electric fuel pump goes "click, click, click".  Only 
one click.  Aha!  Dead fuel pump.

The wind was good and we were still carrying 5 knots or so.  Fortunately, I had 
a spare fuel pump on board.  I spent about 1.5-2 hours changing it.  Before I 
installed it, I checked it for operation by powering it up.  Yep.  It went 
"click, click, click".

Got the new pump installed and we're ready to fire it up.  My buddy turns on 
the ignition and hits the preheat button.  Nothing, zip, nada.  Even the 
audible alarm was silent.  Big WTF?? He notices that even the engine gauges 
aren't moving.  Hmmm.  No power to the panel??  He says his Yanmar has a fuse 
on the engine and he thinks Westerbeke/Universals may have a circuit breaker.  
I grab the engine manual, pull up the wiring diagram.  It shows a 20 amp 
breaker.  Who knew?  But...where the heck is it?  After a bit of searching, I 
found it on the bracket where the fuel pump and some miscellaneous engine 
electrical components are.  I reach behind the panel, find the reset button and 
hear a click when I press it.  Okay.  We try the engine again and it fires 
right up.  Yay!  Good to go.

That lasts about a minute.  It immediately dies again.  Crap!  I start the 
investigation again.  Open the cockpit locker to look at the vacuum gauge.  Oh, 
what a dumbass!  I'd shut off the fuel valve to change the pump.  I opened the 
valve.  The engine fired up and away we went.

All told, we only lost about an hour on our arrival time and avoided a large 
tow bill.

A bit of internet research later revealed that the $256 Westerbeke 39275 fuel 
pump is really a Facet 40185N.  I found one on eBay for $76.  Same pump.

This mimics the tachometer/hourmeter replacement from a couple weeks ago.  The 
Westerbeke part was $350.  I found the identical part made by Datcon from a hot 
rod shop for $150.  When I looked at the old one, it had the Datcon name and 
part number on it.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Finally we have launched for the season!

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Mike:

Saw your arrival back home yesterday.serious composite sails!

Rob
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Stus-List Re: Underway diesel fix - long read

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey Dennis,
 
Had the electric fuel booster pump quit on me in East River, NY.  We learned we 
could run the engine up to about half throttle to get to a marina where we 
could work on it.  Universal M4-30.  We motored to Atlantic Highlands and took 
a mooring to work on the engine.  We didn't know we had an electric pump having 
just bought the boat and the thing was all black and looked like a manifold.   
Went to town and bought new filters and belts.  We spent half a day, changed 
all the filters and belt and bled the injectors before realizing a little black 
wire had a green coroded terminal going that manifold.  Cleaned the terminal 
with some WD40 and 400 grit sand paper and when we turned on the key, heard 
what we thought was a manifold going "tic-tic-tic".  Engine started right up.  
 
We didn't need the engine much after we fixed it, as a front blowing 25 to 30 
off the land, blew us all the way down the Jersey coast on flat water with main 
and small jib to Atlantic City.  I replaced the pump with one from NAPA after 
we got the boat home, and she's run fine since.
 
Chuck Scheaffer, 1989 C 34R, boat is presently near Annapolis
 
 

> On 05/27/2023 9:47 PM EDT Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> I brought Touche' back from Pensacola to its home slip on Lake Pontchartrain 
> this week.  Overall a nice sail with fair winds and weather.
>  
> Had one glitch.  Here's an excerpt from the trip report I sent some of my 
> sailing buddies.
>  
> Thursday we were motor sailing past Petit Bois Island, Mississippi.  We'd 
> just crossed the Pascagoula Ship Channel.  Touche's engine quit.  Just quit.  
> No slowing down or whatever.  Just died.  WTF?  The engine is a Universal 
> 25XPB with about 2000 hours on it.
>  
> First thing I did was open the cockpit locker and look at the vacuum gauge on 
> the Racor 500MA fuel filter.  It was still in the yellow where it normally 
> runs.  I pulled the top and checked the filter element anyway.  I looked 
> fairly clean.  Next I investigated if the filter might have an air leak and 
> the level had dropped below the discharge.  The filter was only about half 
> full.  I keep a small jug of diesel for topping off the filter if need be.  I 
> topped it off and put the filter element back in.  I inspected the filter lid 
> o-ring and gasket.  The gasket is square and can get twisted. Both looked 
> normal.  Buttoned up the filter and tried to start the engine.  It would 
> barely idle and died.
>  
> The engine has an electric fuel pump.  Okay, next we checked the pump.  I put 
> my finger on the pump.  My buddy turned on the ignition and pressed the 
> preheat button.  Normally an electric fuel pump goes "click, click, 
> click".  Only one click.  Aha!  Dead fuel pump.
>  
> The wind was good and we were still carrying 5 knots or so.  Fortunately, I 
> had a spare fuel pump on board.  I spent about 1.5-2 hours changing it.  
> Before I installed it, I checked it for operation by powering it up.  Yep.  
> It went "click, click, click".
>  
> Got the new pump installed and we're ready to fire it up.  My buddy turns on 
> the ignition and hits the preheat button.  Nothing, zip, nada.  Even the 
> audible alarm was silent.  Big WTF?? He notices that even the engine gauges 
> aren't moving.  Hmmm.  No power to the panel??  He says his Yanmar has a fuse 
> on the engine and he thinks Westerbeke/Universals may have a circuit breaker. 
>  I grab the engine manual, pull up the wiring diagram.  It shows a 20 amp 
> breaker.  Who knew?  But...where the heck is it?  After a bit of searching, I 
> found it on the bracket where the fuel pump and some miscellaneous engine 
> electrical components are.  I reach behind the panel, find the reset button 
> and hear a click when I press it.  Okay.  We try the engine again and it 
> fires right up.  Yay!  Good to go.  
>  
> That lasts about a minute.  It immediately dies again.  Crap!  I start the 
> investigation again.  Open the cockpit locker to look at the vacuum gauge.  
> Oh, what a dumbass!  I'd shut off the fuel valve to change the pump.  I 
> opened the valve.  The engine fired up and away we went.  
>  
> All told, we only lost about an hour on our arrival time and avoided a large 
> tow bill.
>  
> A bit of internet research later revealed that the $256 Westerbeke 39275 fuel 
> pump is really a Facet 40185N.  I found one on eBay for $76.  Same pump.
>  
> This mimics the tachometer/hourmeter replacement from a couple weeks ago.  
> The Westerbeke part was $350.  I found the identical part made by Datcon from 
> a hot rod shop for $150.  When I looked at the old one, it had the Datcon 
> name and part number on it.
>  
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Underway diesel fix - long read

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Dave, a Racor 500 series is one upgrade I made for my Yanmar or would recommend 
on any engine. You can open it and check without losing any fuel or making a 
mess, and a clear bowl at the bottom lets you see if any crud is falling or if 
you have water in your fuel. I run a 30-micron filter in my Racor and a 
10-micron filter on the engine. It seems happy and has been running all night 
so far. We’re in the C Canal heading home to Newport for the summer. Looks 
like lots of motoring this trip, but the Eng is nicely purring along.
Andy
(ex C 40, Peregrine)
Baltic 47 Masquerade

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On May 28, 2023, at 07:14, Dave S via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dennis,  nice shade-tree mechanical work!  Knowledge and preparation. 
>   It’s always interesting to understand the failure modes of things.  I’ve 
> intentionally kept my yanmar stock - stock fuel pump, single fuel filter, no 
> start relay.   It has had a few small fuel leaks and one electrical issue but 
> these have been age/maintenance related.  (Ie - cleaning corrosion from main 
> grounds, replacing a tired mechanical fuel pump, o-rings hardening etc.  I’ve 
> replaced hoses belts and impeller proactively, keep it spotless, and It’s 
> been pretty much bulletproof.  (Northern climate, fresh water)
> I do wonder about racor filters, and the various other ‘upgrades’.   Racors 
> seem to be the default upgrade, yet are often cited as a source of 
> problems/air leaks. You mention the finicky gasket.   Thoughts? 
> 
> Dave 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 27, 2023, at 9:49 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I brought Touche' back from Pensacola to its home slip on Lake Pontchartrain 
>> this week.  Overall a nice sail with fair winds and weather.
>> 
>> Had one glitch.  Here's an excerpt from the trip report I sent some of my 
>> sailing buddies.
>> 
>> Thursday we were motor sailing past Petit Bois Island, Mississippi.  We'd 
>> just crossed the Pascagoula Ship Channel.  Touche's engine quit.  Just quit. 
>>  No slowing down or whatever.  Just died.  WTF?  The engine is a Universal 
>> 25XPB with about 2000 hours on it.
>> 
>> First thing I did was open the cockpit locker and look at the vacuum gauge 
>> on the Racor 500MA fuel filter.  It was still in the yellow where it 
>> normally runs.  I pulled the top and checked the filter element anyway.  I 
>> looked fairly clean.  Next I investigated if the filter might have an air 
>> leak and the level had dropped below the discharge.  The filter was only 
>> about half full.  I keep a small jug of diesel for topping off the filter if 
>> need be.  I topped it off and put the filter element back in.  I inspected 
>> the filter lid o-ring and gasket.  The gasket is square and can get twisted. 
>> Both looked normal.  Buttoned up the filter and tried to start the engine.  
>> It would barely idle and died.
>> 
>> The engine has an electric fuel pump.  Okay, next we checked the pump.  I 
>> put my finger on the pump.  My buddy turned on the ignition and pressed the 
>> preheat button.  Normally an electric fuel pump goes "click, click, 
>> click".  Only one click.  Aha!  Dead fuel pump.
>> 
>> The wind was good and we were still carrying 5 knots or so.  Fortunately, I 
>> had a spare fuel pump on board.  I spent about 1.5-2 hours changing it.  
>> Before I installed it, I checked it for operation by powering it up.  Yep.  
>> It went "click, click, click".
>> 
>> Got the new pump installed and we're ready to fire it up.  My buddy turns on 
>> the ignition and hits the preheat button.  Nothing, zip, nada.  Even the 
>> audible alarm was silent.  Big WTF?? He notices that even the engine gauges 
>> aren't moving.  Hmmm.  No power to the panel??  He says his Yanmar has a 
>> fuse on the engine and he thinks Westerbeke/Universals may have a circuit 
>> breaker.  I grab the engine manual, pull up the wiring diagram.  It shows a 
>> 20 amp breaker.  Who knew?  But...where the heck is it?  After a bit of 
>> searching, I found it on the bracket where the fuel pump and some 
>> miscellaneous engine electrical components are.  I reach behind the panel, 
>> find the reset button and hear a click when I press it.  Okay.  We try the 
>> engine again and it fires right up.  Yay!  Good to go.  
>> 
>> That lasts about a minute.  It immediately dies again.  Crap!  I start the 
>> investigation again.  Open the cockpit locker to look at the vacuum gauge.  
>> Oh, what a dumbass!  I'd shut off the fuel valve to change the pump.  I 
>> opened the valve.  The engine fired up and away we went.  
>> 
>> All told, we only lost about an hour on our arrival time and avoided a large 
>> tow bill.
>> 
>> A bit of internet research later revealed that the $256 Westerbeke 39275 
>> fuel pump is really a Facet 40185N.  I found one on eBay for $76.  Same pump.
>> 
>> This mimics the 

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[Dave S via CnC-List]

Thanks Dennis,  nice shade-tree mechanical work!  Knowledge and preparation.   
It’s always interesting to understand the failure modes of things.  I’ve 
intentionally kept my yanmar stock - stock fuel pump, single fuel filter, no 
start relay.   It has had a few small fuel leaks and one electrical issue but 
these have been age/maintenance related.  (Ie - cleaning corrosion from main 
grounds, replacing a tired mechanical fuel pump, o-rings hardening etc.  I’ve 
replaced hoses belts and impeller proactively, keep it spotless, and It’s been 
pretty much bulletproof.  (Northern climate, fresh water)
I do wonder about racor filters, and the various other ‘upgrades’.   Racors 
seem to be the default upgrade, yet are often cited as a source of problems/air 
leaks. You mention the finicky gasket.   Thoughts? 

Dave 

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> On May 27, 2023, at 9:49 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I brought Touche' back from Pensacola to its home slip on Lake Pontchartrain 
> this week.  Overall a nice sail with fair winds and weather.
> 
> Had one glitch.  Here's an excerpt from the trip report I sent some of my 
> sailing buddies.
> 
> Thursday we were motor sailing past Petit Bois Island, Mississippi.  We'd 
> just crossed the Pascagoula Ship Channel.  Touche's engine quit.  Just quit.  
> No slowing down or whatever.  Just died.  WTF?  The engine is a Universal 
> 25XPB with about 2000 hours on it.
> 
> First thing I did was open the cockpit locker and look at the vacuum gauge on 
> the Racor 500MA fuel filter.  It was still in the yellow where it normally 
> runs.  I pulled the top and checked the filter element anyway.  I looked 
> fairly clean.  Next I investigated if the filter might have an air leak and 
> the level had dropped below the discharge.  The filter was only about half 
> full.  I keep a small jug of diesel for topping off the filter if need be.  I 
> topped it off and put the filter element back in.  I inspected the filter lid 
> o-ring and gasket.  The gasket is square and can get twisted. Both looked 
> normal.  Buttoned up the filter and tried to start the engine.  It would 
> barely idle and died.
> 
> The engine has an electric fuel pump.  Okay, next we checked the pump.  I put 
> my finger on the pump.  My buddy turned on the ignition and pressed the 
> preheat button.  Normally an electric fuel pump goes "click, click, 
> click".  Only one click.  Aha!  Dead fuel pump.
> 
> The wind was good and we were still carrying 5 knots or so.  Fortunately, I 
> had a spare fuel pump on board.  I spent about 1.5-2 hours changing it.  
> Before I installed it, I checked it for operation by powering it up.  Yep.  
> It went "click, click, click".
> 
> Got the new pump installed and we're ready to fire it up.  My buddy turns on 
> the ignition and hits the preheat button.  Nothing, zip, nada.  Even the 
> audible alarm was silent.  Big WTF?? He notices that even the engine gauges 
> aren't moving.  Hmmm.  No power to the panel??  He says his Yanmar has a fuse 
> on the engine and he thinks Westerbeke/Universals may have a circuit breaker. 
>  I grab the engine manual, pull up the wiring diagram.  It shows a 20 amp 
> breaker.  Who knew?  But...where the heck is it?  After a bit of searching, I 
> found it on the bracket where the fuel pump and some miscellaneous engine 
> electrical components are.  I reach behind the panel, find the reset button 
> and hear a click when I press it.  Okay.  We try the engine again and it 
> fires right up.  Yay!  Good to go.  
> 
> That lasts about a minute.  It immediately dies again.  Crap!  I start the 
> investigation again.  Open the cockpit locker to look at the vacuum gauge.  
> Oh, what a dumbass!  I'd shut off the fuel valve to change the pump.  I 
> opened the valve.  The engine fired up and away we went.  
> 
> All told, we only lost about an hour on our arrival time and avoided a large 
> tow bill.
> 
> A bit of internet research later revealed that the $256 Westerbeke 39275 fuel 
> pump is really a Facet 40185N.  I found one on eBay for $76.  Same pump.
> 
> This mimics the tachometer/hourmeter replacement from a couple weeks ago.  
> The Westerbeke part was $350.  I found the identical part made by Datcon from 
> a hot rod shop for $150.  When I looked at the old one, it had the Datcon 
> name and part number on it.
> 
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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