Stus-List Re: Checking the list

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Join the sweltering club. 103 heat index and 75 degree dewpoint. Add the solar 
radiation and melt.

Bill Dakin

> On Aug 1, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Our sailing days are gone for a couple months. Its running 95 + * and very 
> iffy breeze or full blown gales. Cant wait for Fall 
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Now stink boaters anonymous

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I too sail a Force5 and has been parked way too long. 

Bill Dakin

> On Mar 21, 2021, at 8:41 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Being a New Mysterian, sin is not something I worry much about, but here is 
> my (lack of) confession.  
> C 34+, Force 5, Sunfish, 2 windsurfers.  
> 
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List 25-2 Not level in the water

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Same here. Even by moving the two Danforth’s to the most aft of the lazarette, 
she hold some companionway water. Still the waterline is perfectly level to the 
original gelcoat-antifoul interface. It is a mystery.

Bill Dakin

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Stephen Kidd via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've noticed that my little boat, a 25 mkII, is uneven in the water.

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Favorite deck cleaner/recipe?

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Powdered laundry detergent. Easy to apply evenly so long as it is not too 
windy. Be careful, it makes the deck an ice rink. Great for Kiwigrip.

Bill Dakin

> On May 22, 2020, at 10:43 AM, David Risch via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That time of year in the NE...
> 
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List edson chain lubricant

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Wouldn’t condensation or high humidity in stern lockers require a wet lube? For 
selection type in mountain biking, it is made based on conditions. Desert NM 
compared to CO high country.

Bill Dakin

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> While I understand and appreciate Edson's dry lube, you might research dry 
> bicycle/motorcycle chain lubricants for comparison.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List C Lister Roll Call

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Bill Dakin
Tapestry, 81’ C 25-2, 581
North Texas

Bill Dakin
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Stus-List Dow Corning 795

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Has anyone use an alternative to 795 for the plexiglass seal?

Bill Dakin

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Electronic navigation - chartplotters

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Poor satellite coverage will drop accuracy too. It’s a factor in land surveying 
in planning hours of data collection.

Bill Dakin

> On Dec 18, 2018, at 12:41 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The positions were accurate during the rest of the 178 
> 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Engine oil

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I'm so accustom to the Blackstone report (for 13 years) that it works for
me.  They cover all the elements and the properties, they have a good
comments section, universal averages (which I know will not be as useful
being marine averages will not have the sampling numbers, perhaps), and
they show a running history of the numbers to track trends.


On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 3:08 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bill, we use Blackstone at work.  I posted a link to the latest pdf report
> from oil analyzers.  Does your report look to be equally comprehensive?
> I've not priced the competition since
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Engine oil

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Blackstone does mine.
Blackstone-labs.com

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 1:11 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Josh- Where do you get the oil analysis done?   
> 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List C burgee arrived! PAYPAL

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Is PayPal the method of payment for these items?

Bill Dakin
> I just want to tell everyone on the list that i recieved my C burgee and a 
> few decals from Stu and i am very
> 
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> 
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List engine oil filters and Car talk

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Nothing but Wix for my diesel.

Bill Dakin

> On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:27 AM, Paul E via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Some time ago I went from faithfully using Yanmar engine oil filters to the 
> equivalent Fram filters.  The main 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising chute tack point on bow of 37/40+?

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

We set our new asym on Saturday with the ATN tacker and sock. A tack line runs 
to a block on the toe rail that leads to a cam at the cockpit. Think of it as a 
downhaul for trimming. I will be adding another line to the release shackle for 
blowing the tack, when urgent dousing is needed. I can single hand the entire 
operation, safely too. 

The blue monster pulled like a freight train.

Bill Dakin

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have not looked at the Tacker.  That would seem to make 
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Stus-List Coolant in Diesels, Nitrites

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

It is absolutely critical for me to add a nitrite additive SCA to my
International 7.3 in the Ford F250.  It prevents microscopic cavitation
erosion that EATS holes in the water jacket over time without SCA.  Only
Yanmar can tell you if it is needed.  Maybe it's the V-8 in my engine, or
other design characteristics that require it.  SCA is required in certain
other diesel engines.  The erosion occurs over time so even if it's
required, one has time to track down the definitive word on the Yanmar
engine, and how much if any per gallon.
Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Stus-List "How long owned a C"

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

1981.  25-2. #581. Tapestry
Lake Texoma, TX.  Hail from Fairview, TX
Bill Dakin
Owned for 1.5 years, sailed 50 years.
aussiebr...@gmail.com

It doesn't seem that long ago I set off in a Sunfish the first time.

bd
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Stuck sail bag zippers

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Whoops, not cushions sorry folks.

Bill Dakin
> 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Stuck sail bag zippers

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Did the vinegar affect the foam in any way?  

Bill Dakin

> On Sep 20, 2018, at 8:49 AM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just reporting back I soaked the zipper in vinegar for a few days.  Need to 
> replace handle but zipper 
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List 1982 C 25

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Our 25-2 ('81) was in good shape when we bought her in February 2017.  I
never thought once in pulling the OMC for an outboard, the transom is just
too nice and it pushes us easily to 6kts, though I rarely exceed 3.5kts.  A
decision made more firm with the purchase of a spare OMC. I priced an
electric drive and then *quickly *eliminated that possibility .

Look below the companionway where the traveler is fixed.  The boat is cored
there as another point of close inspection.  It's tough to examine because
of the cabin liner hides the sandwich construction.  I pulled every
fastener and resealed it once I found out the cockpit seat was cored when
installing a Raymarine ST2000 tiller pilot.  Check every inside fastener
and backing plate for telltale color that could indicate seepage.  This
goes for the cleat backing plate ahead of the anchor locker.  It should be
dry without discoloration.  Naturally pull up the cabin sole and inspect
the keel bolts (I thought wheel bolts on my huge International tractor were
large!).

Any discoloration is a concern until eliminated by testing.

Check Yahoo groups for the OMC Saildrive list, subscribe and check for
comments before radically changing the propulsion system.  Someone there
will want to buy your OMC if you go for replacement. I would almost go for
a diminutive high output trolling motor before I would install an outboard,
suitable for an inland lake, no cruising.

I regularly single hand with ease as everything runs to the cockpit, even
the downhaul and emergency release for the asym tacker by ATN (with sock).

bd
S/V Tapestry
25-2





On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 7:16 AM Roger Slade via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> New to the group.  I am going to look at a fresh water C 25 built in
> 1982 a second time and wondered about any ideas of what to look for that is
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List 1980 24ft C sailboat questions

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

>
> I am looking for some advice on upgrades I like to do with it and the best
> / cheaper cost to order from.
>
*Some choices are owner preference only you can answer.  Here answered
based on our configuration.*


> 1. Canopy cover for the cockpit
>
*Bimini install on our 25 just can't happen effectively with the boom as
low as it is.  I can't imagine the 24 is any better. *

> 2. Solar setup for weekend trips
>
*I'll let someone with solar experience respond. *

> 3. AC / heat / fan solution onshore/offshore use
>
*Shorepower heat (only attended!) by way of ceramic heater.  12v fans are
available through the various ships stores and chandlery. A/C costs a
fortune. *
*You could buy a 5000btu window unit like I did and place it in the
companionway using shorepower.  I go out the hatch when its in place.*

> 4. Head
>
*Portable in the 24, or can a marine head and holding tanks be fitted to
your boat?  *

>
> Anyone know the boat specifications about this model?
> 1. How many people it’s rated for?
> 2. How tall is the mast?
> 3. The size of the draft?
> 4. The displacement?
> 5. What model is it? Mark?
> The haul # is ccy24306m80a
>
 *http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=412
 *

> 6. Electrical diagram
>
*Could be in the CnCPhotoalbum web site. *
* http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ *


> 
Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Windows Plastic-craft

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Thanks very much, Eric.  Stan will handle our replacements.  Nice price too.

Bill Dakin

> On Aug 16, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> See below
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Bill Dakin via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Eric, where did you buy your windows? 
> 
> EAB: Plastic-Craft Products in West Nyack NY (local)
> 
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Windows gone bad

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Eric, where did you buy your windows?  Did you have a pattern from the old
ones to cut your own?  Where did you source your VHB tape?

bd

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I re-did my windows this spring on my 34/36.
>
> I used the VHB tape and the 3m building caulk.
>
>
> --

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Galvanic corrosion

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

We are docked next to quite a few derelict boats connected to shore power
and for that main reason, I installed a galvanic isolator.

*ProMariner ProSafe FS Galvanic Isolator - 30 Amp*


 And because I don't want to go over checking the zincs between haulouts.
So far it has been in only 60 days.  I'll evaluate this summer once I get a
diving mask.  Device to labor comparisons point to savings.  Additional
'insurance' coverage also.



Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Oil drops in coolant

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I use a service of oil condition analysis in my International 7.3 diesel.
Before trying anything, send in a sample and see what the 'brownish orange'
is.
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/marine.php
Fleet managers use oil analysis to determine the length of time between
services and to troubleshoot.  They can tell you how the engine is wearing
too; bearings, rings, etc.  Check the dipstick for coolant.

Incidentally, for big boat purchases, an oil analysis is a great idea prior
to offers.

Do you have the expertise to pull the head, replace the head gasket, then
torque to specs and then adjust the valve clearances?

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2



On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:10 PM, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Westerbeke 33 w v drive
>
>
> Changed all hoses and new coolant.this year  Old coolant was dirty might
> have had oil but it was brownish orange green. Vs glow green of new
> coolant  engine started right up no issues no hiccup  this year
>
> Now I see some oil drops in coolant
>
>
> Looked on line at putting in head gasket sealant ie Barr’s.  For the
> season then fix this winter if truest head gasket.
>
> Wrong or right idea. Or options
>
>
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Stus-List Emergency redundancy for bilge pump

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Several weeks ago I read about an emergency and rescue of a couple about
150nm off northern California.  Among the multitude of issues (leading to
catastrophic results) was a companionway breach by waves.  The inlet to the
bilge pump hose had clogged from cabin debris resulting in another issue
(multitudes!).  Since safety includes operational redundancy, does anyone
make a practice of installing a smaller battery in a watertight but
ventilated compartment to operate a secondary pump with clog proof
screening?

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List vinyl pinstripe?

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Great solution, Tom.  I applied the blue stripe below the silver half above 
that was in good shape.  

Bill Dakin 
S/V Tapestry
25-2

> On Jul 23, 2018, at 7:40 PM, T Smyth via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The stripe along the upper part of the hull on my 1974 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Removing old stickers

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I need to try this on the ‘ghost’ of lettering on the gelcoat.  It would 
improve our good fortune if it works.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2

> On Jul 18, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bill,
>  
> A couple of suggestions made on another sailing list: 
>  
> Use 600 wet sandpaper with a sponge block to carefully remove old lettering.  
> Then 800 wet sandpaper & compound with a polisher to restore the finish.
> 
> 
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C Reacher

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I bought the sail including sheets and downhaul line.  Perfect condition in 
attractive blue and white.  It was $740 just for the Sailrite kit.  This time I 
came out ahead on a project cost both in terms of time and dollars.  I’ll take 
‘em when I get them.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C Reacher

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

$500 asking, new
Bacon Sails is $1,131 asym.

Bill Dakin

> On Jul 10, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> How much money are we talking about?
> For $300, give it a try.  For more, find out what a new right-size asym would 
> cost.
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dakin 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 2:11 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Bill Dakin 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C Reacher
>  
> Thanks Chuck.  The sail was cut for a Hunter306 fractional rig.  The purchase 
> is definitely for cruising which would give us good broad and beam reach 
> power in moderate conditions.  The sail appears to be something akin to a 
> Code0 but I won't exactly know until I experiment.  I know the sailmaker and 
> called him about it but he doesn't remember the specs or purpose.
> bd
>  
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Bill,
> Those numbers sound more like a reacher than something you could sail deep 
> downwind.  If you’re only planning to cruise with it and the price is right, 
> by all means give it a whirl.  But if you’re racing and sail to a rating, 
> you’ll find the sail to be very flat and undersized.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Bill Dakin via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:47 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Bill Dakin 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C clothing
>  
> CnC'ers, 
> I found a locally available asymmetrical spinnaker for sale and need your 
> advise on fitment.
> The first number is Sailrite specs, the second number is the actual sail.
> Luff 32, 30
> Leech 30, 24.5
> Foot 18.25, 17.5
>  
> Bill Dakin
> S/V Tapestry
> 25-2
>  
> ___
> 
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List C Reacher

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Thanks Chuck.  The sail was cut for a Hunter306 fractional rig.  The
purchase is definitely for cruising which would give us good broad and beam
reach power in moderate conditions.  The sail appears to be something akin
to a Code0 but I won't exactly know until I experiment.  I know the
sailmaker and called him about it but he doesn't remember the specs or
purpose.
bd

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Those numbers sound more like a reacher than something you could sail deep
> downwind.  If you’re only planning to cruise with it and the price is
> right, by all means give it a whirl.  But if you’re racing and sail to a
> rating, you’ll find the sail to be very flat and undersized.
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 35 Landfall
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Dakin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:47 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Bill Dakin 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C clothing
>
>
>
> CnC'ers,
>
> I found a locally available asymmetrical spinnaker for sale and need your
> advise on fitment.
>
> The first number is Sailrite specs, the second number is the actual sail.
>
> Luff 32, 30
>
> Leech 30, 24.5
>
> Foot 18.25, 17.5
>
>
> Bill Dakin
> S/V Tapestry
>
> 25-2
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Stus-List Correct subject, asymmetrical spin

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List C clothing

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

CnC'ers,
I found a locally available asymmetrical spinnaker for sale and need your
advise on fitment.
The first number is Sailrite specs, the second number is the actual sail.
Luff 32, 30
Leech 30, 24.5
Foot 18.25, 17.5

Do you see an acceptable fit for my boat?

It's brand new, grade 1.  My thought was the foot and luff were most
critical.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List CnC-List, C 25 II Mast step concerns

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

We have the same boat, same year.  The structural board replaces the rotted
core and extends beyond the rotted core to good core with and end-to-end
splice (equal bevels). I use west systems epoxy.  Contour above with an
epoxy layups of fiberglass to get the shape of the deck that existed
before.  As mentioned earlier, save the fiberglass laminate cut away
section for ease of refinishing.

The stainless steel tabs (an angle bracket), hidden above the headliner,
provide a direct connection from the Coosa board to the bulkhead.  That way
the board doesn't rely on the teak cabin arch to support the mast step, but
instead extends a little way over the bulkhead.  The length of the angle
brackets will be trial and error because I don't know how far the bulkhead
extends above the headliner piece.

And something else the new board will do is allow you to use the mast step
bracket screws (4) to bite into the new board with assurance.  No crushing
of the core from tightening of the fasteners.


All of this work would replicate a factory look meaning no repairs
apparent if your saw doesn't go too far!

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2




On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:45 AM, alexander rankin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I believe the root of my problem is what is being discussed here. I
> haven’t tracked the source of my water leak but the water in bilge is
> brownish and there are brown dried watermark trails on the fiberglass
> behind the settee cushions. The mast step sounds like the likely culprit.
>
> I bought the boat last year. Being a 1981 I expected  there would be some
> problems. The PO let the water leak damage the main bulkhead. The rot has
> almost reached the chain plates so I was trying to come up with a better
> design and had been thinking of using Coosa for either the bulkhead or at
> least the portion under the mast step (the entire bulkhead needs replacing)
>
> Sounds like I can now add a repair to the mast step to my list!
>
> Bill, you seem to have thoughts similar to mine on the support under the
> mast step. Could you elaborate a bit. I’m not sure exactly how you were
> thinking of using the stainless in the repair?
>
>
>
>
>
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List C 25 II - mast step concerns

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Is your traveler fitted at the companionway seat?  If so all of the
mounting holes penetrate the sandwich construction and any one can be a
source of rot.  There are at least 10.  Yes, another place of plywood use.
bd

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 8:43 AM, Stephen Kidd via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>
> At any rate, I'm going to better seal the fittings, and start rebedding
> the deck hardware (not much). I do have a soft spot in the cockpit near the
> companionway. We're going to apply the repair advice to that area, which is
> also a lot less intimidating, and keep a very close eye on the mast step
> for now. What fun!
>
> Stephen
>
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List C 25 II - mast step concerns

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I have not done a peel but I do know the design (25-2) at the step and arch
support below.  A coosa board product spanning the arch space in the cabin
would add much greater strength than factory.  Also fastened into the
bulkheads hidden between the headliner and mast step with 316 SS stock.
The forces would always be transferred to the arched bulkead.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If you choose to do a "deck peel", a vibrating saw such as a Dremel
> Multimax is the tool to use.  It will cut a very narrow groove.  You can
> then "peel" up the deck using a flexible putty knife.  If you are careful,
> you can then replace the peeled piece of deck.
>
>>
>> ___
_
Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List C 25 MK II Manual

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I sent a scan of the manual to Stu just now for addition to the resources
on CNCPhotoalbum.  It's a large PDF.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
C

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:00 PM, Tod Baudais  wrote:

> Thanks Bill, that would be amazing.
>
> Tod
>
> On Jun 10, 2018, at 6:10 PM, Bill Dakin  wrote:
>
> I have one to scan and upload for you and the cncphoto site.
>
> Bill Dakin
> ‘81 25-2
>
> On Jun 10, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Tod Baudais via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I just bought my first C! It’s a 1982 C 25 Mk II and I’m loving it so
> far.  There’s still a few mysteries and I was wondering if anyone had a
> manual for this boat. cncphotoalbum.com doesn’t seem to have the MK II
> listed. Specifically right now I’m looking for how to rig the boom and
> reefing lines but I’m sure other things will pop up too.
>
> Thanks and I’m glad to be part of the club!
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>


-- 

Bill Dakin
Tapestryaussies.org
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List C 25 MK II Manual

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I have one to scan and upload for you and the cncphoto site.  

Bill Dakin
‘81 25-2

> On Jun 10, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Tod Baudais via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I just bought my first C! It’s a 1982 C 25 Mk II and I’m loving it so 
> far.  There’s still a few mysteries and I was wondering if anyone had a 
> manual for this boat. cncphotoalbum.com doesn’t seem to have the MK II 
> listed. Specifically right now I’m looking for how to rig the boom and 
> reefing lines but I’m sure other things will pop up too.
> 
> Thanks and I’m glad to be part of the club!
> ___
> 
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Stus-List Lightning Damage was Keel treatment

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

This has intrigued me since I inspected the keel boats the very first time
on Tapestry.  The bonding to the keel boats was made with two insulated
copper cables (looks to be 2 or 3 AWG).  Poking around I found this
interesting presentation case study and product solutions.

http://www.marinelightning.com/Information/GroundingGuide.htm

Notice the many locations where damage to the hull causes holes at the
water line and other exit points for current.  Even a tiny hole would sink
a boat.  I think upgrading my bilge pump is in order.

bd

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Alan Liles via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm wondering about grounding for lightning protection with an epoxy
> coated keel. Isn't that why the mast is connected, electrically to the
> keel. I've had lightning strike very close, which aroused
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Pins for chain plate aluminum cover

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I would grab a micrometer to mic the diameter and match up with SS round
stock at a hardware store or elsewhere.  But you may not have one to
measure.  The pins are transition fit and require very mild persuasion to
insert.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> As one of the final steps in getting Freya IV back in the water, I need to
> buy/replace 3 of the pins that were on the aluminum cover over the chain
> plate on a C MkI.  Does anyone know if these are stock items and if in
> the
>
>
>

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Stus-List Was...Best place to find what I need? Now Holland Marine

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Thanks for the heads up on sourcing parts, especially helpful to me are the
stanchion bases from Holland.

Bill Dakin

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> +1 on Garhauer and they will modify to suit.
>
> Holland Marine Products have stantion bases, stantions, cleats, toerail,
> stripes, traveller parts, etc. available as well.
>
>>
>>
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Portable generator question

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I found certain retailers of the Honda 2000 will sell you one converted to
run on propane from gasoline.  Like the propane dinghy outboards (Lehr), NO
gum in the fuel system.  There is a cost from lower BTU in propane than
gasoline, but if you already use propane for the Magma, you have the fuel
(hopefully in the right spot).

Bill Dakin
25-2
S/V Tapestry
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Keel bolt torque

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Correct, clean and dry threads.  Galling of the threads affects the values
as well.
An example, extremely critical torque values (also clean and dry) extend to
engine head bolts and if studs and nuts are used.
Lube of any kind could cause values to change either a little or a lot.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
C 25-2


On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:20 PM, schiller via CnC-List  wrote:

> The torques listed are for clean, dry threads.  If you lubricate the
> threads, reduce the torque by 10%.
>
>
> --

Bill Dakin
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Stove

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

How about this one...
http://www.coleman.com/butane-stove/220951.html?cgid=coleman-stovesandgrills#pmax=25=0=1

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone...new owner of a 1977 C 26. I have owned a Bayliner
> sailboat and still have a Catalina 25. Really excited about this C, but
> I’m working on where to install a stove. I’m located in Washington State
> and coffee is a must. I mostly prepare food on a grill in the cockpit. So I
> could use a single burner. Just looking for advice and ideas.
>
> The boat has never had a name and I’m considering using my first
> grandson’s name, Killian.
>
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>


-- 

Bill Dakin
Tapestryaussies.org
___

The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List 3GMD engine blow back

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Sounds like rings to crankcase blow by to me.  Does this engine have a
breather on the side of the crankcase?  My IHC Cub engine, essentially an
Atomic 4, has this breather that before my restoration, would emit blow by
gasses.  There is no other source of pressure to emit oil or gas.  You
could run a compression test once again.

You may find broken ring bits in your oil pan.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII
___

The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up again.  
October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a small 
contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List MIT's C custom 43 X Dimension available for free

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Oh man, a not-suitable for sensitive people disclaimer should have been 
included.

Bill Dakin

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoIVcbcf4Dg
> 
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
> 
> 
>> On 9/27/2017 2:31 AM, Violeta M Ivanova via CnC-List wrote:
>> An update: X Dimension is back in Boston, moored at her usual home at 
>> Waterboat Marina.
>> 
>> The boat was delivered from Boothbay by MIT's youngest skipper, All American 
>> sailor Lisa Sukharev-Chuyan, 24, and her younger brother Max. Lisa picked a 
>> good window post-Irma/Jose, before Maria hits New England. The delivery took 
>> about 36 hours. If you want to see the skipper's report, email me.
>> 
>> So yeah, this boat can sail. XD practically steers herself upwind. I have 
>> always been able to balance her in two seconds in any wind. She sails better 
>> than any other boat I've ever sailed, when I think about it. So despite her 
>> wet core and a list of other problems, this is a great boat. If you have the 
>> skills (and the money, sigh) to fix her up, you may end up owning a 
>> beautiful C cruiser/racer. 
>> 
>> I have neither the skills to fix XD up myself, nor the money to pay someone 
>> else to do it. If I did, I would take the boat myself. 
>> 
>> Thanks for the replies. I wouldn't make too much out of the one/two winch 
>> handles. Maybe one floating handle got lost. 
>> 
>> From an MIT engineer point of view, it is good to know how a boat gets cut 
>> up. I was wondering about the mechanics of it. Thanks for the details (as 
>> gruesome as they are). That's not likely to happen to XD at this point, 
>> there seem to be enough interested parties to acquire the boat. 
>> 
>> Fair winds,
>> 
>> Violeta
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Edward Levert via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 Boats I have seen cut into disposable pieces were cut with a sawzall.  I 
 have seen this happen to a Ranger 26 and a Cal 29.  I don’t know why a 43 
 would be much different – it would just take longer.  It’s a shame to see.
  
 My Custom 42 had extensive core wet core problems which took about two 
 years to repair.  The 43 looks very similar to my boat.
  
 From: Violeta M Ivanova via CnC-List
 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:47 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Violeta M Ivanova
 Subject: Re: Stus-List MIT's C custom 43 X Dimension available for free
  
 The MIT bluewater wiki was created and is maintained by MIT volunteers. I 
 updated a lot of stuff last year, but have not touched it since last 
 December. I have not seen XD this year. I don't know how much has changed 
 on the boat and what was reflected on the wiki. 
 
 More importantly, if people look at the wiki for reference, the following 
 items will not be included with the boat: 
 
 Handheld VHF radio
 Lifejackets and harnesses
 Dinghy
 MOB light and mount
 Storm jib
 Tools
 Ship's supplies (nuts, bolts, wire, tape, etc.)
 Jacklines
 Buckets
 One of the floating winch handles (one will stay on the boat)
 Foul weather gear
 AIS and splitter
 Radar reflector
 Laptop/iPads
 Chart plotting tools
 Canadian charts
 Garmin GPS
  
 Also, several people from the list have looked at the survey already. It 
 seems XD is in worse shape than I'd thought. I am no expert on boat 
 repairs -- I have never dealt with wet balsa core or anything like that. I 
 am on this list because I am learning a lot from members with vastly more 
 experience than I have. I very much appreciate people emailing me back 
 with comments. 
 
 Maybe someone on the list will acquire XD and we'll read more about it, or 
 aybe someone else will acquire her, or 
 maybe the boat will go to the cutter. Speaking of which ...
 
 How does one cut up a boat? Seriously, what do you do with a 43-foot boat, 
 if you want to destroy it? 
 
 I have started calling XD "it", not "she". I guess that's a goodbye. 
  
 Violeta
  
  
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 1:20 PM, David via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> I know the donating owner.   Very much the engineer.  Not surprising.  
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Lee Youngblood via CnC-List  
> Date: 9/22/17 8:28 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: CnC-List  
> Cc: Lee Youngblood  
> Subject: Re: Stus-List MIT's C custom 43 X Dimension available for free 
> 
> Hi All,

Re: Stus-List How long do your zincs last (saltwater, on a dock, plugged in to shore power

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

The engine ground (negative).  It would be easier for me since my engine
access is through the laz.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Alan Liles via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Where do you connect overboard zincs? I would think directly to the shaft
> or engine but the ones I've seen don't have a cable long enough for that.
>
> Cheers, Al
>
>
> > On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Bill Dakin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Overboard zincs make a lot of sense.  Great surface area for
> consumption, fast inspection and stowed quickly before leaving dock.
> > Bill Dakin
> > S/V Tapestry
> > 25MKII
>
>
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List How long do your zincs last (saltwater, on a dock, plugged in to shore power

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Overboard zincs make a lot of sense.  Great surface area for consumption,
fast inspection and stowed quickly before leaving dock.
Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Fuel tank replacement

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I scoped the fuel tank inside (after pumping out old fuel) and outside with
an automotive inspection unit with LED light before putting Tapestry into
service.  The exterior was pristine and the interior without pitting.  I
would do the same prior to replacement, or without access to a scope,
obtain a replacement.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Selling 26' C Washington State

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

All the best to you, Dan.  Good luck.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Dan Utinske via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately I suffered a heart attack @ 2.5 years ago and haven’t had
> the time to dedicate to my C and I need to part ways with it.
>
>


-- 

Bill Dakin
Tapestryaussies.org
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Irma is one scary storm!

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I was surprised to see all the sailboats that had furled sails in marinas
between Port Aransas and Galveston, post Harvey.  They had mostly been
unfurled by the winds, destroyed or demasted.  A few boats were sunk but
still in their slips which I can only attribute it to debris blocking the
cockpit drains, then overflow going past the companionway boards.  A storm
surge rise of 8' would raise any tied lines over the end of the pilings.
Other post storm images were of other boats that had crashed into what
appeared to be properly tied boats.  None of the boats on stands had
remained in place in the force 12 zone.

We are inland by 300 nm, but I could have easily hauled out Tapestry on the
trailer, then attach the straps I use to haul tons of hay to helical pier
anchors.  Of course we would have to be away from other nearby boats and
masts.  The domino effect affected hauled boats.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List considering a 1981 C 25 - now head privacy

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

The reason I thought of (Sailrite) YKK zippers is the abandoned 24 down the
slip had the zippers with snaps.  I sure can snaps only, the receiving end
is already in place.
bd

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> My 35-1 came with a heavy bifold door for V-berth privacy.  Removed it and
> replaced it with a curtain with snaps.  Installed snap studs in the
> headliner on either side of the passageway.  We just simply snap the
> curtain in and snap it out.  Fold it and store it.
>
> You might consider a curtain with snaps.  Put an extra one in the curtain
> on one side to snap the far side into so the passageway is open when
> privacy is not needed.
>
> I decided long ago that snaps were better than Velcro or zippers.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Bill Dakin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The head is semi enclosed between the v berth and cabin.  One of my tasks
>> is to find fabric and YKK zippers to provide privacy between the head and
>> cabin/cockpit.
>>
>> Bill Dakin
>> S/V Tapestry
>> 25MKII
>>
>>
>> ___
>>
>>
> ___
>
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>


-- 

Bill Dakin
Tapestryaussies.org
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List considering purchasing a 1981 C 25

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Our 25MKII (1981) bought in February, transported from WI, has been
fantastic.  The decks are good, chain plates dry, and every point I rebed
was dry.  The OMC saildrive will push us over 7kts and surprised me with
how quiet relative to the diesels I've heard.  I bought a spare OMC
Saildrive just in case or when it needs an overhaul, it will be a day
swapping out the motor.  The wineglass stern has a design aesthetic that
will never have an outboard hanging off of it, for as long as we own it.
Source your parts now so when needed, you will be ready.  I will share my
sources when needed.

Our rigger will install a Schaefer roller furler this weekend for all line
controls to run to the cockpit.  If you buy her and need precise
dimensions, you can write to me.

The head is semi enclosed between the v berth and cabin.  One of my tasks
is to find fabric and YKK zippers to provide privacy between the head and
cabin/cockpit.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Emission controls, Biodiesel

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I have 243,000 miles on my F250 International 7.3L diesel ranch truck.  No
added oil needed between regular 5000 mile change intervals either.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII



On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yes, running a diesel at low RPMs to charge the batteries, etc. is the
> worst thing to do to a diesel. I'm sure it's one of the reasons I only got
> 36 years out of my old engine!
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Emission controls, Biodiesel

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Running biodiesel will further reduce engine noise along with the common
rail fuel delivery in newer diesel engines.  Is it even available at fuel
docks, I haven't noticed.  Biodiesel (B-20) is hard to find for my Ford
F250.  I would imagine even less common on the water.

I read a little on the new Yanmar engine from an online reviewer that
pointed out the engine was not to be run at extended time at low rpm's.
This is also something to avoid on other diesel engines because a condition
named wet stacking.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Emission controls-Diesels

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Running biodiesel will further quiet the engine.  Is it even available at fuel 
docks?  Your exhaust will smell like french fries.

Bill Dakin


___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I threw the hammer overboard.  The thumbs are safe for another year (or are
they?).  The other side of the slip from us is an '80 38' C  I enjoy
renovation projects and with early retirement around the bend, I will have
more time.  Engine tear down, machining and rebuilding is my strong area
and slowly adding marine reno department work.

On the current side of work, Tapestry has a new modified (North) 150 for
roller furling, Schaefer system to be installed in about a week by the
rigger, and I will be changing a few cheek blocks for better cockipit line
handling.


Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My
inquiries led the management to look into the status of the boat and
owners, if any.  Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to
take offers on it and 'don't worry about insulting offers', which I
interpret it to mean, we would like it to go.  My offer is leaning to pay
for the mast step and haul out to my 25 MKII trailer where I can transport
it for long term renovation.

The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some
inspection opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks
that lead aft to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood
sandwich construction.  Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it
is saturated, will it be possible to dry out without removing the
fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both instances are rough with the former
being very serious.

She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have
a blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails,
running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the
cabin.  Gosh, I'm about to talk myself out of this!

Bill Dakin
C 25 MKII
S/V Tapestry
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List 37/40+ fuel tank clean out

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Please be careful.  A dock of 20 power boats burned up two weeks ago from
someone doing this.  Everything grounded with a large Type B at the ready.
Bill Dakin
C
S/V Tapestry



http://www.kxii.com/content/news/Highport-Marina-says-fire-started-from-man-pouring-out-gas-tank-436840283.html

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Alan Liles via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm currently trying to clean my fuel tank. I've pumped out all I can get
> through the engine fuel supply line. I'm planning on sucking the bottom out
> through the full line. My question, to all you 37+ owners, is; Is there a
> cleanout port on the top of the tank? I don't want to remove the berth and
> find that I have to remove the tank to get it clean. That's a job for the
> off season.
>
> Al Liles
> SV Elendil
> C 37/40+
> Vancouver
>
>
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Stus-List Original Rig, (was US Watercraft receivership)

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Tapestry is all original from '81, no 'conveniences' of furler, self
tailers, clutches, or any modern rigging.  It's kind of interesting being
the throwback to older times among all the jazz on my dock.  Alas, I asked
our rigger to quote a Schaefer furler last week.
Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry,
'81 25 MKII
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Stus-List 25MKII, Tiller Length

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

25MKII owners, what is your tiller length and shape
http://anytiller.com/

I'm going to refit our Edson pedestal with the original tiller.

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Yanmar 3gm oil leak

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

The only time I've known this to happen on internal combustion engines was
when the combustion gas pressures passed the compression rings and passed
the oil control ring to cause crankcase pressures to force out oil spray.
Oil spray within the crankcase is normal, it is when the negative pressure
outside forces it out of filler.  Now might be a good time to run a
compression test on the cylinders for the heck of it.
bd


 we noticed that the bulk of the oil was accumulating on the side of the
> engine with the dip stick. The dip stick slid in easily. Further
> exploration led to the conclusion that the source of the oil leak was, in
> fact, the dip stick. Finding a new replacement for an old 3GM was a task as
> all the dealers said n
>
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Westerbeke 33 oil burn

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

The gauge should be replaced so that you have confidence in it at all rpm's and 
temps.  Few engines should be that high.

Bill Dakin

> On Jun 4, 2017, at 8:08 PM, David Castor via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Also, FWIW, my oil pressure gauge reads about 75 psi.  The surveyor thought 
> that was too high, but I have no idea on the accuracy of the gauge.  My 
> mechanic didn't seem 

___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Cordless Drill???

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

LI batteries are recyclable.

Bill Dakin

> On May 23, 2017, at 1:23 PM, robert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Only one battery and it won't accept a charge.now in the garbage.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
>> On 2017-05-23 2:39 PM, Franklin Schenk wrote:
>> I have heard that the best way to dry an electrical item is to put it in an 
>> oven at low heat.  I have a drill motor like yours that I bought on sale at 
>> Ace hardware.  BTW, I assume you still have a second battery so if you can 
>> salvage the motor you are not at a total loss.
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:58 AM, robert via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Genius here was attaching fenders to the slip with his 'lithium ion 
>> battery powered 20V drill' and I kicked it over the side into 12 feet of 
>> salt water.  It stayed on the bottom for 2 days but yesterday I was able 
>> to retrieve it, flushed it with fresh water, dried it and sprayed it 
>> later with WD-40 and left it to dry out in the garage.
>> 
>> Is it a 'lost cause'?  Should I have just left it on the bottom?
>> 
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> 
>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish 
>> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> 
>> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>> 
>> 
> 
> ___
> 
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish 
> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Hunter 26 in Trouble Yesterday at Chatfield

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Fouling, and 'two boats'.  A valued takeaway for every sailor.  This is
assuming a check of the weather was done prior to going out.
Christian Williams has the best sobering video prepared and know your
'other boat'.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HVJYDWkJg_w

Bill Dakin
25MKII
Tapestry

>
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Battery Charger - Update

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

You will like it.  We have the model 12 since our loads are small and no need 
for a faster charge with the 20.  Convenient size and long leads.

Bill Dakin

> On May 6, 2017, at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> I have concluded the old Guest charger is dead and I just bought a ProMariner 
> dual bank charger.  The new charger 

___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Broke a Zerc fitting

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Depending how close it is to the fiberglass, put a small amount of heat to the 
fitting with highly directed propane flame alternating with penetrating oil and 
heat again.  This drives the oil around the threads.  Then use the extractor
 s l o w l y.  BTDT many, many times with tractor restorations.  Where every 
fastener is stuck after 70 years.

Bill Dakin

> On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> After greasing the rudder post I managed to snap off the grease fitting.  I 
> was planning to use a screw extractor to try to get it out.  Any tips or 
> tricks before I make it worse?  If I have to drill and tap, what size tap?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avg.com
> ___
> 
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish 
> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List C 37+ Keel Bolt Torqueing & Rust Stains

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

It is to break the bond that may affect the actual torque values.

Bill Dakin

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 2:40 PM, ahycrace--- via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> What is the theory behind loosening the bolts before re-tightening?
> 
>  Gary
>"liberty" 
>  Ken Heaton via CnC-List  wrote: 
>> Hello Ron,
>> 
>> 
>> 1. What are the torque values that you’ve used?
>> 
>> 
>> 3/4" Keel Bolt (aft) takes a 1-1/8" Socket, Torque to 250 lbs.
>> 
>> 1" Keel Bolt (forward) takes 1-1/2" Deep Socket, Torque to 350 lbs.
>> 
>> 1 1/8" Keel Bolt takes 1-13/16" Socket, Torque to 400 lbs.
>> 
>> 1 1/4" Keel Bolt takes 1-7/8" Socket, Torque to 450 lbs.
>> 
>> 1 1/2" Keel Bolts take 2-1/4" Socket, Torque to 600 lbs.
>> 
>> 
>> 2. Did you back off the nuts and lubricate?
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, one at a time.  Decrease torque values by 10 %  We snick up on the final
>> torque values in steps, doing all the bolts, then retourquing to a higher
>> value, then repeat until you get to the final values listed above.
>> 
>> 
>> 3. If so, what did you use for lubrication?
>> 
>> 
>> We lubed them with Tef Gel.  The function of Tef-Gel in eliminating seizing
>> galling and friction welding of stainless steel, inconel, and other nickel
>> alloys.
>> 
>> 
>> Tef-Gel applied to both mating surfaces of nuts and bolts or threaded holes
>> and bolts leaves a layer of 40% solid PTFE within the thread interface,
>> which works as friction barrier. Tef-Gel, which contains 0% volatile
>> solvents, will no evaporate, cold flow, or dry out, giving protection many
>> years later when hardware must be dissembled.
>> 
>> 
>> http://us.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=8658
>> 
>> 
>> Ken H.
>> 
>> On 26 April 2017 at 09:50, Ron Ricci via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> A few months ago, there was a discussion of rust stains and weeps of water
>>> appearing on the keel.  My first thought had been that water from the bilge
>>> leaked around the keel bolts when the boat is on the hard.  I had the
>>> boatyard do some exploration.  They found a void in the keel that
>>> apparently filled with water.  The void appeared threaded and may have been
>>> used to lift the keel.  This all can be seen at: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhpB-
>>> lul9d5YpQkMDs5DeOkS73p2.  Continued inspection found that there was no
>>> water leaking down from the bilge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> While my boat is out of the water with the mast out, I’m going to torque
>>> the keel bolts.  The C website lists torque values for ½” (80 ft-lbs), ¾”
>>> (250 ft-lbs) and 1” (350 ft-lbs).  The 37+ may have another larger size
>>> bolt.  I don’t know where these came from but found something similar
>>> attributed to an employee of Mars Metal (keel manufacturer?).  Can any
>>> other owners confirm a few things?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1. What are the torque values that you’ve used?
>>> 
>>> 2. Did you back off the nuts and lubricate?
>>> 
>>> 3. If so, what did you use for lubrication?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> *Ron*
>>> 
>>> Ron Ricci
>>> 
>>> S/V Patriot
>>> 
>>> C 37+
>>> 
>>> Bristol, RI
>>> 
>>> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> 
>>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
>>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
>>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>> 
>>> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish 
> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Toilet Replacement Mounting question

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Same on the 25MKII

Bill Dakin

> On Apr 17, 2017, at 8:06 AM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> Not sure if the 34 is the same as my 35-1, but in my case the toilet was 
> mounted on a platform as you describe, and the there are studs, not thru 
> bolts, that hold the toilet 

___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Opinions on hull/keel crack expansion

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Expansion will occur when moisture and ferrous metals react through
rusting. Do the 29's of these years have a cast iron core?  If so, the
moisture will cause the iron to corrode and be very serious.  An example of
this is when concrete reinforced slabs develop cracks sufficient to allow
water to penetrate to the rebar.  Over time, the slab will fail as an
integral unit.

Bill Dakin
25MKII

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Eugene Fodor via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a crack at my hull/keel joint and am debating filling it with 4200.
> It is no significant and as I understand it this is pretty normal for boats
> with an external keel. My concern is that since my boats up north in
> Wisconsin and spends a good amount of time frozen, I'm wondering if filling
> it might actually cause expansion if any water gets down the keel bolt and
> through the cracks. One of my keel bolts has had this problem which I
> mitigated through drilling a hole on each side of the bulge, epoxy fill and
> some vigorous hammering. Thoughts?
>
> Gene Fodor
> "Hawk"
> C 29-2 84-85
>
> ___
>
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>


-- 

Bill Dakin
Tapestryaussies.org
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Gel coat crazing below waterline

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Do you have another link?  It replies the session expired.

Bill Dakin
25MKII

> 
> You can see pics at: 
> http://hhsa.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=187_id=8237
> 
> I 
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Stus-List Engine Coolant Temperature, sender and gauge

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

The subject on engine coolant made me inquire; do the Yanmar's and others
have fitting pipe plugs in the water jackets to enable a temperature sender
probe to be installed?  Variations in readings would indicate air in the
lines, stuck open or closed thermostat and general performance for baseline
data.
Bill Dakin
25MKII
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Fuel filter replacement

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I you run biodiesel in significant proportions for the first time, you may have 
to change out one or both filters as the formulation tends to loosen crud in 
the system.  My Ford F250 7.3 Power Stroke diesel runs very well on it.  The 
exhaust smells like french fries!

Bill Dakin
25MKII___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Sealing fixed port lights 37/40+

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

RV'ers will know of this tape sealant product made by Dicor.
https://dicorproducts.com/product/diseal-patch-sealing-tape/#specs
I'm not suggesting this product as a permanent fix although it will last a
while on top of RV's where the external surfaces need complete and total
protection.  I have this product covering the seams of my Lance truck
camper.

If one were very handy with an exacto knife and cutting radii with a
template, it might be pretty nice.  If the offset (overlap) was uniform in
the profile, it would almost look like an intended trim.

Bill Dakin
25MKII
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Stus-List 25 MKII Headsail Sheets Riggging

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

We are ready for trailer transport to the new slip with all standing rigging 
secure for the 60 mile trip.  In check and double checking, I realized we don't 
have a track that every boat I've owned did have.  No fixed block either.  How 
should the boat be rigged?  

Bill Dakin
25MKII___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Winch Hunting Deal

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Thanks for the heads up.  Maybe they will have another sale combined with an 
EV-100 auto helm.  The prep of 1st launch has drained my discretionary account.

Bill Dakin
25MKII

> On Mar 18, 2017, at 5:38 AM, Graham Young via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good morning everyone,
> 
> Just an FYI for those who might not have known, Lewmar is having a buy one 
> get one free sale on their 
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Stus-List Edson

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I tried to attach photos but the list setup kicked it out.  I will try again if 
there is a workaround.

Bill Dakin

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 1:14 PM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know about Bill's set up, but I converted my 25 II into wheel 
> steering; Edson has a package especially for small boats and it fits under 
> the cockpit sole; works very well; probably not the best for racing, but it 
> opens up the cockpit nicely; I built a seat which spanned over the space 
> where the tiller normally came through;  
> 
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mmle 596
> Richard N. Bush 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
> Sent: Sat, Mar 11, 2017 8:17 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Man Crosses Atlantic on a Paddle Board
> 
> Bill,
> You have Edson pedestal steering on a 25 Mk2?  Inquiring minds would love to 
> see a photo or two of how 
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List Man Crosses Atlantic on a Paddle Board

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Made me think of Eddie Aikau. 'Would Eddie Go...?"  Maybe not across
the Atlantic even for him.

Back on topic.. I'm close to wrapping up a minor new-owner update and
cleaning of our recently purchased 25MKII.  All that is left is an Interlux
sprayed on bootstripe, buff and wax of the smooth area of the topsides,
running rig install, clean all the sails, lube the Edson steerage, and
splash her.  Hopefully the saildrive, #1 doesn't leak, #2 it runs, and #3
runs well.

One of our headsails is a storm jib, a tiny little thing for sure.  Another
can be reefed, the others are 115 and 150.  And two mains.

Finally, in a marina of hundreds of sailboats, there is only one other C,
then ours in two weeks.  They are very rare here in Texas.


Bill Dakin
Fairview, Texas


On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You're welcome.  I thought the same...or pretty crazy, or both. I couldn't
> decide.
>
> Just like a surfer ;)
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:22 PM, RANDY 
> wrote:
>
>
> I've gotta say, that's pretty frickin' impressive.
>
>
>
>
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to 
make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

All Contributions are greatly appreciated!